Guild Wars 2

conquest mode.

solo queue rated matches gone.

I remember when there was an actual solo q where solo players could face other solo players for rated matches.

Climbed fairly high in that format with just casual play, top 50…. the new format of premade teams fighting solo q players is not right.

They killed pvp at the start of the game by sticking with conquest….. people hate it.

Deathmatch at the start 3v3 and 5v5 rated would of had more people playing.

Yeah, hate to tell you all this but +2 years ago the Necros active on this forum all said the same things no change.

GW1 Paragon proves Anet is fine with one class being behind the curve… forever…..

Accept necro will always be bottom of the barrel and enjoy it anyway or move on to another class, it will never ever change. Honestly its not that terrible, there are strong situations for a necro just not as many as other classes. Even GW1 Paragon had a decent daze build.

Dictan.4186:

I always looked at axe as a setup weapon rather than a a primary weapon. You can spike a high amount of vuln with axe/focus during the weapon swap down time, use the channel and then dagger is usually ready again. Just rinse and repeat since the cooldowns pretty much line up perfectly.

Agree thats the best use for axe,

Axe + staff is going to be weaker then dagger + staff…. however I have done ok with the dagger as main axe as a setup weapon as Dictan said.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Xom.9264:

Good vid, clear you put time and thought into it.

I always felt its really the conquest mode that holds the necro back.
As you pointed out necro is a solid 1v1 class. Necro is in a fine spot in group fights with stability supporting them….. if only Anet made deathmatch a thing.

Actually, they’re better in Conquest than Death Match because in Conquest, 5vX is quite rare. In Deathmatch, there is literally no reason not to group up and constantly focus down the Necro.

Yeah, depends on the necros build and the parties classes and builds. Necros main weaknesses, getting stun locked, no blocks etc… can be shored up in a major way with a guard around.

Good vid, clear you put time and thought into it.

I always felt its really the conquest mode that holds the necro back.
As you pointed out necro is a solid 1v1 class. Necro is in a fine spot in group fights with stability supporting them….. if only Anet made deathmatch a thing.

Have not played in ages and seems the necro is in the same spot. Still like the class for whatever reason.

Bloodlust is nothing more then a few Anets devs personal crusade to kill GvG.

Lord Kuru.3685:

The quicker Anet realizes and accepts that sPvP will never become an esport the quicker they can move resources to WvW — the player-preferred method of PvP in GW2.

Which of the 5 stages of grief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Z3lmidmrY) do you think Anet is in regarding sPvP?

• Evidence for Denial: They’re still heavily pushing sPvP — tournaments, balancing for sPvP.
• Evidence for Anger: “Stop violating my game mode.”

Do the sPvP bloodlust area in WvW and unbalancing WvW as much as possible in order to move competitive players to sPvP count as “Bargaining”? Perhaps not.

:)

Ill add more evidence, people on the Spvp forums can trash talk call deathmatch players any name in the book call them all terrible. Yet when I respond with logical truth, ‘hey myself and about a dozen WvW players on my friends list are higher rated then you so maybe WvW players are better then you think’….. Infraction.

Say conquest is not a popular game mode…. infraction, say deathmatch mode would bring more WvW/GvG and PvE players into PvP…. infraction.

Say anything that does not support conquest…. infraction.

The 2v2 3v3 deathmatch is really fun its what you used to see by the windmill in WvW more then anything (at least on lower tiers)

GW2 population is/was fine its just the pvp population thats low… so to say the population is to low for other gamemodes is incorrect. The correct answer is the population rejected conquest mode, given the option of 2v2 3v3 arena style deathmatch play many from the WvW/GvG and PvE side will come do that.

Maybe its my imagination but recently Im seeing what seems to be a focused effort from Anet posts to be professional constructive and friendly.

On topic, being open to feedback is the only thing required, easier said then done because we tend to ignore/dismiss ideas we don’t agree with even if they are supported by the majority.

Most players start constructive with feedback its takes a long time for it to devolve into the community as a whole being negative. Its actually a good sign when so many stick around to give feedback that means they like the game at its core.

Avoid implementing changes the players did not ask for that are in direct conflict/will kill popular activities. WvW bloodlust hurting lower population servers and GvGs comes to mind…

Things not related to nerf this class buff this class that get repeated over and over by multiple people from multiple servers for months might be something to move up the list.

Necro is a hard counter for hammer train if you are talking about group play… 5v5 and up etc….

2v2 Necro + Guard is really strong probably the strongest combo in the game.

Warriors are a bit on the strong side but its nothing you cant counter not like the days when thiefs and mesmers where OP forcing people to go full bunk or die instantly.

Or just add deathmatch and watch the PvE and WvW population show up maybe even get people that quit to come back.

Excalibur.9748:

just reroll a warrior, all the cool kids are doing it.

This, its really easy to play also.

insanemaniac.2456:

bloodlust is violating my game mode

lol +1

I can agree with warrior stuns being strong but all you need is someone giving you stability (its a team based game after all) and all is well.

The other option is two stun breaks, really not a bad idea. Or spec for DS stability, too large an investment for my taste but it works well.

I hold my own even vs the good players, necro is in a good spot.

I find talk of vanilla WoW more worthy of reading then anything about conquest mode.

The conquest mode population is too low for Tpvp and solo queue, systems like this work if people play. People are not playing because conquest is a boring game mode there is no fixing matchmaking with conquest.

This is something Anet can not fix until they move to deathmatch, only deathmatch will fix the population issues, even if only a fraction of the GvGers decided to join a mist pvp deathmatch population world be fixed.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Y
I know that’s probably not the answer you guys were looking for,

You need not worry the majority of people like honest answers, its refreshing.

Lord Kuru.3685:

I think you misinterpreted his post. What he means is that Anet wants to make WvW more imbalanced in order to push all serious PvP players to sPvP (because: esport!).

As crazy as it seems I kind of see it the same way…. A legit GvG game mode is made and gains traction at a rapid pace, ex-DAoC elite 8 mans WoW deadly glads rejecting PvP for GvGs and before you know it bloodlust it pushed on us…. with Anet devs showing their hate openly for the GvG deathmatch mode some of the best players in GW2 made.

dreztina.4820:

In the over a year this game has been out, how many things can you think of that anet has done in response to community feedback? How many changes have been made that were the complete opposite of what the community was asking for?

Sad but true.

The huge majority seem to dislike it, does anet plan to remove it soon anyone have info?

Sanduskel.1850:

Yeah, those darn GvGers jumping in the middle of WvWers fun flashing their Tags of authority demanding everyone play their game exactly as they say and no other way.

I am referring to the self righteous indignance, when in fact Anet did nothing wrong.[/quote]

I was using sarcasm,

Next time just say righteous indignation from the start, that at least could fit.

I look on the bright side, it has to be clear at this point to Anet they have to many like minded devs making all the choices in WvW and there is a disconnect with player expectations.

Mostly likely they will add or rotate some devs into the team for fresh ideas, that’s what smart companies do. Ideally they move a dev that likes GW2 combat and classes like many of the players do and will push for ideas that move towards the simple joy of fighting and does not punish or give huge stat boost to lower or higher population servers…. one that understands the players do not want stat changes based on numbers and how silly the concept is.

Yeah, those darn GvGers jumping in the middle of WvWers fun flashing their Tags of authority demanding everyone play their game exactly as they say and no other way.

Good god GW1 folks never stop twisting reality seen it when I played the game towards the end of its life cycle. It was a fine game I enjoyed but it was never near the powerhouse on the e-sport level WoW arenas reached with views and cash prizes.

GW1 I did not find that hard at all over all. It did have hard classes and roles however, I found monking well the only real challenge. I never got into playing a rupt ranger but that took good skill, wars were ok but it was really easy leading qknock. Eles, sins, necros, devs, etc all really easy. WoW at high level Arena much more skill based for ALL players on a team.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Looking at how Anet interprets their metrics I wouldn’t be surprised if Anet interpreted all the PvE’ers karma training during awful mismatches as WvW doing well.

I would bet money you are correct, what they dont understand is losing the hardcore PvP base is a bad thing the PvE and casual folks will follow eventually.

Whats sad is a few months ago I figured GW2 would be my MMO for a long time WvW was fine the GvGs were great and getting high level play with more joining in….. then the signs of all the clear dislike for GvGs from Anet started to slip in… eventually leading to bloodlust.

The guild im in is a GvG/WvW guild all members 25 or so other then one or two have the kites from spending real cash for gems…. All the GvGers I knew from other servers always played a ton. Anet really spit on the most dedicated fan base of WvW the GvGers.

They need a better way to track metrics.

GW1 folks…. lol, plenty of threads to state your opinion this is not one of them, it would be like me jumping in a tread about WM GW1 wins saying WoW deadly glads >>>>> GW1 gold trim, yes we know its true but it would still be rude.

This is about a team that reached the top of GW2, grats on the win and well done DE.

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

The complaints I saw about GvG were about losses in WvW when GvG was going on. WvW shouldn’t lose anything because of GvG. If the guilds are organized enough to fight GvG, they should be able to keep losses in WvW from happening when they do it.

GvG is even number fights 15 of us actually had 25 of them tied up in the GvG or watching and got trolled for not helping our server its was a known chat troll of course. There is no logic behind the GvG hate, all the WvW guilds on ET understand and dont troll our GvGs because they see us doing WvW 99% of the time anyway.

Its just a small minority of casual WvW trolls and Anet Devs that hate GvGs

Brando.1374:

Xom.9264:

Brando.1374:

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

I would love to see a dev vs GvG guild fight

Naw that would actually be fun, and now that we know this dev does WvW he is probably just another zerger that hates GvG guilds for their ability to wipe zergs twice their size. All the people I have personally seen trolling GvGs are the really bad zergers being poor sports trying to ruin the fun of the guilds that wipe them constantly.

I could be wrong but I highly doubt it, why else would he troll them?

most likely true.
their own players are better at this game then the ones who created it/manage it.

There are a few solid Anet players I ran into in my solo q climb, this fellow was not one of them. Anyway Im actually done with this thread, its crazy how fast it added page after page even with all the mods deleting things.

Zenguy.6421:

lordkrall.7241:

The main issue is that the feedback added by players are in most cases vastly different and in some cases contradict each other. So who should they listen to?

Yes, there’s a lot of contradiction and threads never arrive at a consensus on these forums. Which means that if you look to these forums for ready packed solution backed by common agreement you’ll be right out of luck.

But if you read deeper than that you’ll see that the good ideas do shine through as does the overall concensus of the community.

You only have to take a broader view of the WvW forum over the last month or so to for it to be apparent that:

• The Bloodlust buff has been a PR disaster
• GvG matters to enough people that it needs attention
• Imbalance between servers and its impact on match-ups is a huge issue
• The broken party functions and stone age commander system are ongoing issues
• There is a growing reaction against power creep in WvW
• The upcoming League is highlighting rather resolving all of the above problems

None of these things are new, they have all been apparent in these forums for a long time.

You asked “So who should they listen to?” Rather than follow a single instrument they need to listen to the symphony overall, because that’s where the bigger movements are played out and where the persistent themes will be heard. If Anet don’t have anyone who can do that for WvW, then they either need to get someone who can or accept that WvW will continue to be a difficult part of GW2.

strong post +1

Brando.1374:

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

I would love to see a dev vs GvG guild fight

Naw that would actually be fun, and now that we know this dev does WvW he is probably just another zerger that hates GvG guilds for their ability to wipe zergs twice their size. All the people I have personally seen trolling GvGs are the really bad zergers being poor sports trying to ruin the fun of the guilds that wipe them constantly.

I could be wrong but I highly doubt it, why else would he troll them?

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

Should not be on solo q, but whats a few people feedback on the forums matter.

@courin

There is no possible way he did not know what GvGs are and that they are done at the windmill. To insult the most dedicated WvWers in GW2 by saying they are kill trading lol.

Of course he did not feel he was trolling he felt 100% justified because its his game mode.

One can not build anything good with a foundation of bullkitten. Anet has some rebuilding to do…. or just be done with it and ban all GvGers trolling them telling them how to play when these same GvGers are avid WvWers will result in massive blowback.

@Magee yes trolls do get players worked up that is their whole goal…. all this dancing around the truth. The Dev felt like trolling some GvGers and all the people watching.

courin.2314:

For starters, having watched all of the video, I feel it’s clear that when he arrived, it could have looked like there was kill swapping going on.

Defending the fellow is misplaced while its always good to give people the benefit of the doubt that does not fit in this case. The chance of him not knowing what was going on is zero.

The Dev knew full well what GvGs are, and where they are done before hand, he decided to act like a confused new WvW player for a little while baiting a reaction from the players then popping his Anet tag.

His comments showed a opinion formed before he came to troll about ‘his game mode’ it was the lowest of the low. Trolling of players and pretending ignorance…. saying they should not be having even numbers fights vs other guilds is not a solution.

The level of unprofessional behavior is unreal, its a clear indication of the devs opinion of players that reject only doing PPT and just want to GvG once and a great while.

I honestly never seen a MMO start so strong and quickly make so many bad choices, all avoidable with just a little respect for players input.

The population issue is not created by leaderboard design, its created by still pushing conquest mode over a year after release.

Its not that the majority of leaderboard players are avoiding playing because they dont want to lose their rating…. its that people just are not playing conquest seriously its a casual spvp mode, conquest never works long term for real PvPers.

we got fun and games….

When solo q first came out and weeks after that high rating only played high rating…. as the population nose dived rating top 100 can play sub 1000 players.

Issue is population system cant work if no on is playing.

Well considering the history of Devs doing the exact opposite of what players feedback asks for. Im going with Anet is not only refusining to listen but have chosen to actually combat the players giving feedback for no other reason then they dont agree with it.

This thing would be 50 pages if not for all the deleted posts….. random deleting, some of the deleting is mind boggling.

Get a handle on both mods and devs Anet combative methods of dealing with ALL customer feedback you dont agree with is unwise.

A mod deleted and infracted my thread starting post if anyone is wondering where the first post went.

I thought it was civil post, talked about listening to feedback and not letting ego get in the way of good design choices even went into personal experience as an engineer how important listening to operators/users is when designing/‘improving’ a system.

The theme is simple, listen to customers at least sometimes and not just the small minority that says things you wish to hear.

Above all else be professional.

mini.6018:

I can asure you that hundreeds if not more gvgs were done across servers without any kind of publicity

This is true our guild did countless GvGs with a ton of other guilds from multiple servers before we even heard of the GvGsite. The vast majority of ours and all the guilds time in WvW was typical WvW fighting these were/are the most active players for each server.

Epic error on Anets part disrespecting a huge part of their WvW core the GvGers.

There is a deeper issue then one rogue Anet troll.

The issue is more about a clear picture of contempt for the players feedback some Anet devs seem to have.

Bloodlust buff was foolish to push forward it was the end of GvGs growth and also unbalanced matchups even more. Everyone was against it, what was its goal other then to kill GvGs?

Anet fellow trolling that GvG is all the proof folks needed that the bloodlust buff was to kill GvGs, true or not thats the perception.

I don’t think anyone is claiming all of Anet is unprofessional.

This is more the issue of those vocal few that seem to have control over WvW development, its about taking massive player feedback in and listening to it. Bloodlust was a terrible case of not listening and not logical explaining the reasoning for it….there are posts full of counter dictions from the same dev on the topic, double speak.
Regarding the anet dev trolling that GvG it was unfortunate, but not the core issue just a symptom of a dev team that has unprofessional devs mixed in mocking customer feedback like it’s all a joke.

Yes I say he was trolling because for it not to be trolling he would have had to have no clue what was going on no idea about GvGs at the windmill….unlikely. He knew full well he made a choice to troll and now his coworkers need to cover him.

I feel for the actual professionals working hard in Anet I know how much damage rogue clowns can do and the effort it takes to get relationships with customers back to normal.

Talk wont work here, listening to feedback will, removing the hated bloodlust buff would be a start….. or explain logically why they numbers show it’s a huge successes and they plan to keep it, that would be interesting.

Steelo.4597:

- its interesting for a while, just not in the long run.

+1 I found many of the active PPT players eventually get into GvG and open field fights.

Thats the end game for all PvP MMOs eventually people want to test themselves against other great players in even fights.

Steelo.4597:

There is no competitive organized large scale fighting in this game and people helped themselves with GvG for what Anet didnt deliver in the first place when they decided WvW should be a casual-only game mode that is won by the bigger wvw-active server population. That is also why nobody cares about PPT except in T1 anymore, because its not a fair game and absolutely intended so. If they change this, bring a competitive large-scale gamemode – WvW will die instantly, they are probably aware of this.

Yes WvW would die in a second if they did add GvG mode….. just remove the bloodlust buff and WvW/GvG can live side by side as they should.

All they really need to do is remove the bloodlust buff no actual work needs to be done.