Guild Wars 2

Burnfall.9573:

Infact, all of those GvG’s who insulted and humiliated that Arena.net staff should be forever banned..

The Anet Dev was clearly 100% trolling there is no possible way he did not exactly know what was going on from the start. Pretending to be ignorant of the windmill location and two sides clearly doing a GvG deathmatch… right not buying it.

Every single instance of a person messing with a GvG I have been involved in was a troll just trying to ruin other peoples fun, excluding one time an upleveled jumped in….

Those people treated a troll like a troll, anet or not he was trolling. He knows he was trolling everyone in anet knows he was trolling.

the end.

Only the minority dislikes GvG, from my experience they tend to just be guildless trolls, PvE casuals and Anet employers.

Complaining, suggestions, whining, feedback; the same idea can be all of these things.

So how does a professional handle these situations? Do you mock the community? ignore the community? or perhaps listen? The last one is ideal the second is sometimes all you can do….. the first choice is the worst choice and usually the first one an unprofessional picks.

Anet Dev post,
http://i.imgur.com/BA20tY6.jpg

This post and many others especially on the bloodlust topic really show a breakdown in communication and respect for the players input.

Thinking that the people posting on the forums are not the majority of players is correct, most people don’t post on forums…. However automatically dismissing the majority of forums posters feedback without finding out if it’s a view shared by the majority of the WvW players is foolish.

Anet thought bloodlust was a good idea…. That’s fine, whats not fine is when all the players started saying why it was not a good idea devs totally ignored them and as time went on it turned to actively taunting and mocking the most die-hard fans of WvW (those of the GvG community)

If you chose to ignore player feedback that’s fine but have a logical reason that can be intelligently stated. All I have seen and so many others is constantly changing reasons and excuses when vague ones are even given. Being emotionally attached to the game you develop is a good thing; letting ego get in the way is a bad thing.

Give some wxp buff something that does not unbalance fights or get rid of the buff. The GvG community might come back and have fun again In case you don’t know GvG community is the hardcore WvW community and a massive driving force behind GW2 competitive end game play.

If you don’t see this now Anet all hope is lost.

Guardian is always needed because of stability. Strongest buff in the game in group fights those without it skill being near equal will always lose to those with it.

Simple deathmatch if its not too late.

You would be wrong, I found WoW arena play much harder.

Casual not really trying easy for me to get top 100 on leader boards in GW2, thats not to say the game is simple…. its just a lack of strong players because strong MMO players shun conquest mode.

Its not just the poor Anet fellow jumping into the GvG…. that was the last straw for many, so to just say sorry about that just does not cut it.

A picture has been painted in the eyes of many hardcore WvW and GvGs of Anets WvW dev team one the Devs have helped paint. That picture is one of a Dev team that does not listen to the community and openly mocks large groups.

Just look at the lead up to implementing bloodlust… that could be a case study on how to do it wrong. You have devs moving forward with a previously failed path despite the huge majority of the community advising against it. Everything the community said would happened came true, worst the Devs never gave a logical reason for bringing it back and when players attempted to give solutions like making the buffs self removable so the large GvG community could continue and the result was an epic snarky comment from a Dev already famous for his dislike of open field fights.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Why create a duplicate topic? Use the existing thread.

I actually cut the post in half as it was too long, probably still is…. went into other examples even spvp/tpvp. There is a long list and history showing a clear dislike of the players input coming from some Devs…. making choices out of spite, sure they have flimsy justifications but at its core the issue is ego and no respect for the players opinions.

Guess I seen too many good things fail or become more difficult then they had to be in my career when the sterotypical engineer/designer that listen to no input are left to run wild.

GvG, or even numbers vs even numbers deathmatch is the endgame for a huge number I would say the majority of all serious PvPers in any MMO.

Makes perfect sense GvG was growing such a large community of outstanding players.

GW2 has complexity of classes builds and play in group fights a great meta and all classes other then ranger are viable….. it was perhaps the best group vs group MMO regarding balance, teamwork and high skill cap I have played. I played them all from DAoC to WoW multiple season deadly glad cash prize winner. If they devs just got out of the way with GvGs GW2 could have been something.

Yeah unprofessional, the hate for GvG is simple….. egos from a very few Anet devs they wish to flex their ability to change the game against the will of the operators/players there is no benefit they want hostile interactions as a way to prove something to themselves.

Seen plenty of smart engineers ignore good ideas from people they see as below them operators/players for no logical reason.

The best designer engineer etc… really listens to the input and ideas coming from the people that are going to be the users. I learned early on to put ego aside and really listen to operators when I design a machine. Then you have the types like some Anet folks, refuse to listen to those they consider beneath them and end up in a constant cycle of defensive mode battling with users.

There is nothing to be done on the players end, the people calling the shots in WvW are children.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Xom.9264:

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garethh.3518:

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Later guys, I’m out. Thanks for a semi-fun discussion, but it has long since ceased to go anywhere interesting or constructive. I don’t want to be party to increasing the toxicity of the PvP forums, so I’m bowing out in the hopes that you guys will also lose interest. There’s obviously no common ground we’ll be able to reach, nor will there be any changes proposed that could be useful to the developers. Best of luck.

Well you did mention GW2 selling points….. and they did do a 180 on things like gear progression making it WoW 2.0 something I and others did not want at all.

So yes if you cant admit to that 180 we have no common ground.

No one does conquest mode, no gamers respect GW2 conquest esport mode.

There was a very legit community of GvGers growing good players cash winning players from the MMO that actually had a esport respected side to it. Anet killed it.

For the most part people still trying in conquest mode are just the bads leftover everyone already quit. If it was a legit competitive thing I would not be so high on solo queue and would not even be on the Tpvp leader boards….

You want to deathmatch sure, If you are good at your class you should be just fine doing deathmatch, you are not good at your class so you keep dodging and trolling my posts.

The finale answer is no to conquest, I wont give it any respect its a dead game that I and others have decided to avoid in hopes Anet saves what could be a great competitive game.

Its probably too late but adding deathmatch would at least make the game more fun for the few competitive players still hanging around, perhaps even bring a few players back.

This tread will soon be merged into the warrior forums tread thats like 7345984 pages now.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Xom.9264:

When WoW added Deathmatch arena that grew to a level of esport and MMO has never seen before and has not been seen after.

One of the main selling points for the game was all the ways it was different from WoW. You’re criticizing them for literally their best decision. WoW is still available, btw. If you like it better, only a few bucks a week is keeping you from going back.

Deathmatch is not a WoW trademark all the MMOs I have played on the PvP side deathmatch even fights is the highest level of play.

If you want to go down the path of WoWs major flaws it was gear grinding to do PvP.

GW2 now has the gear grinding just like WoW want top stats time to grind for ascended gear to WvW, you could make the argument GW2 has PvP conquest but its a trash boring gamemode no one plays.

What did WoW do right? Dueling, deathmatch, conquest, capture the flag, and even had zergy AV fights (alot like WvW zerging) WoW let the players chose what game mode would be the most popular, GW2 killed the best game mode they had GvGs to try and prop up the failed PvP conquest mode.

Power build, yeah you can do necro without staff and MM, just make sure you at least have offhand dagger in one weapon set for some condi removal might want to trait it in the blood line for faster condi removal and weakness.

Yeah WoW started with a conquest mode called AB it was fun and popular for a time but right when it started getting too stale you also had Warsong capture the flag/flag runnng mode.

When WoW added Deathmatch arena that grew to a level of esport and MMO has never seen before and has not been seen after.

Deathmatch even in GW2 is more complex then people know… given pve stats the trinity is there just not in the same way people are used to there is complex flexibility and choices.

Such a shame some people in Anet has no clue it seems.

lordkrall.7241:

Xom.9264:

“After a careful reevaluation of orbs of power we have decided to remove them from WvW in an upcoming build. As implemented, orbs tend to strengthen teams who are already winning and make it even more difficult for underdog teams to fight back.”

Habib Loew from Anet 10 months ago….. would love to hear Devon or anyone from Anet explain why Habib’s statement is no longer valid.

Because a major part of the reason for the statement was due to the fact that people hacked into keeps and took the orbs rather than actually fight for them as intended.
Now said hacking is no longer possible, thus the statement he made is no longer “valid”.

The statement was two part, the edge giving to the higher population server making them even stronger. Then a second point how the orbs can be hacked, they fixed the hacking part but that was not even half the problem, hacking was not happening on all servers or even all match ups.

The issue of making the larger population server stronger has not been addressed its the same as it was 10 months ago perhaps more of an issue now with leagues coming.

holodoc.5748:

Hint: warriors are very bad with condition removal. Use that to your advantage.

Hint: warrior are very good with condition removal and stuns all in the same build…

Lets clear things up you called GvGer PvE noobs including me. I posted my rating score then you raged. I challenged you to deathmatch multiple times, you refused.

No one does conquest its a dead game mode, you wont step up and test your skill deathmatch style because you know what would happen.

I climbed to top 100 solo queue as did a few of my GvG buddies, also around 200-300 range when I feel like doing tpvp, talking a game or two once a month. Bottom line is GvGers are busying having fun playing what was a good game mode before bloodlust.

Conquest is a boring game mode that good players never like, good players always gravitate towards deathmatch. Numbers back up my statement, this is pathetic.

Whats also pathetic is the Tpvper that got carried by a team and cant climb solo queue talking trash. There are good Tpvpers on the solo queue leaderboards they are the ones that carried people in their teams.

Deathmatch less room for poor players with over inflated egos. If you are high on the Tpvp leaders boards but cant climb solo queue you are bad…. end of story.

“After a careful reevaluation of orbs of power we have decided to remove them from WvW in an upcoming build. As implemented, orbs tend to strengthen teams who are already winning and make it even more difficult for underdog teams to fight back.”

Habib Loew from Anet 10 months ago….. would love to hear Devon or anyone from Anet explain why Habib’s statement is no longer valid.

Krypto.2069:

Yet another poorly, if at all, tested mechanic added to WvW that takes away from any sort of chance anyone, particularly the underdog, has of fighting the superior force that’s probably doped up on 3 stacks of BL Bloodlust.

Working as intended you need to buy gems so you can transfer to the larger population sever.

Solstice.1097:

WvW business model:

A) break the game
B) sell the solution in gem store
C) tell us how we should feel about it
D) repeat

Well said +1

I know everyone is sick of hearing it….. but GvG had a ton more active guilds even in these forums before Anet decided to kill that game mode to protect the kitten that is conquest mode.

What a joke Anet, grats on killing GvG the only legit pvp this game ever had

/golfclap

Asura is a clear edge, people like myself dont use them because the number of good players are so low in the game it does not matter and we really dont care.

Against very good players you want an asura its harder to tell whats coming at you, easy to see what a the other races are going to do.

Flat out broken and that people here dont think its broken says how low the competative level of PvP conquest mode is. Clueless.

ghaleon.2861:

Xom.9264:

I think what we are seeing here is a reality check for some Tpvp folks that used to farm pugs and for the people that thought not having a team was holding them back.

When one of the strong GvG players on my friendslist seen I was rated he decided to get top 100 went from 0% to top 70 (in 100 range now) in less then a week. Moral of the story, you are all not nearly as good as you think I and many others have had loses from 4v5 its happens but law of averages says you will climb if you have the skill.

There are alot of things wrong with the PvP side of the game namely conquest mode and the leader boards have people still top 100 that have not played a single game in over a month however if you are good you can climb to top 100-200.

Hmmmmm………. we are talking about rage quitters 4v5, 3v5….. How can people climb the LB when in most matches you are outnumbered. And being on the LB means nothing, specially solo queue LB.

So leaderboards are no indication of skill because you cant climb them now that more people are doing them. Also GvG is not skilled because you never played it.

MMO players these days, there was a time when people would just admit if others were better and try to improve, now folks just blame everything else but themselves.

garethh.3518:

They should have kittening scrapped conquest ages ago.

+1

no idea why people think this is a good main game mode never has been in any MMO I have played.

I think what we are seeing here is a reality check for some Tpvp folks that used to farm pugs and for the people that thought not having a team was holding them back.

When one of the strong GvG players on my friendslist seen I was rated he decided to get top 100 went from 0% to top 70 (in 100 range now) in less then a week. Moral of the story, you are all not nearly as good as you think I and many others have had loses from 4v5 its happens but law of averages says you will climb if you have the skill.

There are alot of things wrong with the PvP side of the game namely conquest mode and the leader boards have people still top 100 that have not played a single game in over a month however if you are good you can climb to top 100-200.

Now that Anet killed GvG maybe some of you are thinking about doing Tpvp or the solo queue.

Dont waste your time, the best players I have met have been GvGers in duels small and larger scale GvGs.

When I say the top 100 Conquest mode leader board players are bad I’m not kidding, I did the farming to top 100 total waste of time boring game mode bad/rude players etc…

GvG was fun while it lasted.

Sovereign.1093:

^ Unfortunately no. You will get the same thing except you have to pay 15$.

Adapt to the game mechanics. If you find the game not to your liking, there’s always other games out there.

Give it time once Anet makes a ton of money off transfers they will make a change so everyone does not quit. Wait a few months then pull another stunt.

This is not a game mechanic….

Oozo.7856:

Now, let’s flip that around. Any good and serious small man out there plays for the challenge. THEY DO NOT WANT AN ARTIFICIAL ADVANTAGE OVER THEIR OPPONENTS.

Alot of people agree and understand this Oozo…. sadly when a WvW dev (Devon) says there is nothing more fun then sitting in a tower using an arrow cart its a done deal we have a major disconnect. Recent changes show a major lack of understanding of why people chose to do WvW, Anet does not know or does not care.

p.s. hate the new map, hides zergs too easy does not fit the zone and is ugly in design and concept.

I actually think the same thing, its a money grab.

GW2 would be so much better if it was a flat $15 month fee, then we would get a game moving in the right direction and none of this money grab crap that ruins the fun.

Steroid.8317:

The topic is mainly for ANet developers and mostly their investors, however if players agree I would be happy to have their support here.

If I want to play PvE I will do it in solo offline RPGs.
If I want to play group PvE current MMO market is flooded with such kind of games.
If I want to play eSports I will play Counterstrike, LoL, SC/SC2 etc…

If I want to play WAR like PvP I have only 1 viable choice in the market – GW2 WvWvW

Why you ladies and gentlemen can not understand that simple thing?:

WvW is your jewelry, please protect it and polish it.

This is your key to success, not Living World and not sPvP attempts to became eSport.

Strong post,
Wish the smart devs would step up, we seen one 10 months ago that removed the orbs buffs and posted why it was removed, he was a smart one. Clearly there was changes inside the WvW dev team thats why we are seeing so many bad choices.

Warrior running any number of builds so long as you have healing sig and zerker stance.

You never played 10v10 or 15v15 you have no idea.

The skill floor goes up in deathmatch vs other good deathmatch teams always has always will. Conquest is less about playing your class well as playing gimmicks that conquest promotes, aka bunkers that add nothing to a group or pure solo artist selfish builds.

Working as a team in actual fights always has a greater skill cap then what you see in conquest mode.

Conquest mode leader board players are kind of really bad when it comes to playing a class well. Again I speak from the a position of a GvGer and a top 100 player. GvGers are better players deathmatch is always better as its more about skill and teamwork with no room for error.

NevirSayDie.6235:

You also believe that insulting people will cause the PvP devs to convince the WvW devs to remove the orb buff and support GvG

The truth is just the truth, all the best players I have met in this game have been on the WvW dueling/GvG side.

I have dont plenty of PvP and I find the players of poor skill and the proof is how easy myself and other GvGers reach the leader boards in a game mode we really dont like anyway.

Do you all understand that if conquest was serious and not considered a joke half the top 100 would not be GvGers? They should all be people from Tpvp….. but nope because all Tpvp was/is for the most part premades farming soloqueue and pugs groups.

There are maybe a few dozen good players that only do PvP tops, cant respect a game mode with player population of such low skill sorry.

Conquest = poor players skill in all games.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

arrogant and unprofessional.

Actually never seen a good MMO takes such a bad turn like GW2 just unreal the arrogance of doing exactly what players dont want…..

This has ruined the last bit of joy I had playing GW2 open fields fights are dead, siege is being used all over the new areas.

redslion.9675:

Xom.9264:

I can win just running around avoiding fights and playing on cannons trebs etc…

If your enemies don’t have a brain yes, you can do that.

Guess its lucky for me the top of the leader boards all the way down to bottom players in this conquest mode dont have brains, conquest mode lol. I farmed to top 100 casually and easy.

What happened to Habib anyway?

unplayable now we have circles in WvW and siege for mid fields fights….. and the buffs lol

I like how even the best conquest players are a joke when put against the best GvGers. I like how easy it is to get top 100 on the leader boards because the good players quit or dont do PvP conquest. I like how Anet kills any mode that actually involves fighting with your class so I can win just running around avoiding fights and playing on cannons trebs etc…

No-

alot of people like even stat fights with other good players 1v1 or 20v20 these boons you cant remove are just wrong.

Hate to break it too you but trinity is alive and well in GW2 regardless of the game mode….. just try doing a deathmatch 5v5 without support healer and people givings stability boons vs a team that has those things.

Too the people saying glass cannon is a liability in deathmatch they have no idea what they are talking about, liabilities are overly bunker folks that dont add much.

jmatb.6307:

You can run other classes with burst. The other day they were streaming an Ele, Thief, and Power Necro comp on GW2PVPTV that was wreckin hard.

Any 3 people working together is going to own in this game because people dont try at that level in this game. Also thief was there to peel for the other two.

NevirSayDie.6235:

The GvG community is trying an “occupy PvP” tactic, basically meaning that they come here to post about balance changes that are needed to make different team compositions in GvG possible.

The fellow complaining about 5 to kill a war is not the GvG community that war might be, never seen anyone from GvG come here asking for balance changes. Just myself saying how bad conquest mode is and how average the top PvPers are….. all true.

Anyway warrior is top dog in all three game modes PvE, PvP and WvW its a nice addition in GvGs also but nothing you want to overstack.

S:
Warrior just insane stuns, defense, condi removing and damage all in one build.

A:
Necro (if no stun wars are around C- if a stun war is about)
Guardian (always strong its have never been average or weak)
Ranger (too good for the effort it takes to play)

B:
Thief
Mesmer = Engineer = Elementalist

Sylvari no question for WvW

PvP asura due to size.

BillFreist.1527:

Regarding >>>Leaving a Transform – no heals/until buttons for 1sec + lag.

I remember this popping up not too long ago, but can’t remember where we left off on it. I’ve been playing Necro a lot lately and it has been bothering me, too. I’ll talk to the guys on Monday and see what this is all about, and see about taking care of it.

I think it was mentioned at some point there was a cooldown added to prevent unwanted skill executions when leaving a transformation. But again, I’m not sure if this was intended for Death Shroud.

-Bill

The cooldown was so you dont double top plauge and lich leaving it instantly after you just went into the form.

DS locking out heals and utilities, been around for ages died soooo many times waiting 1-2 seconds for my heal to show up.

So true, whenever I try to play glass there a thief will remind me that only they can run glass at higher level play.

One single class removes the option for all other classes…