Guild Wars 2

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-F;5Fku-v2ZEF-0;9V8d;19TT;02;017A06A;4KNH4a;1NX8aNX8aP0FN7IqYJ0;0VX-d0h1l2sZy49eWPk4R0;9;9;6FFFFFF;9;9;7V6s5m

This is setup I use

Heh, going to post a build for you guys to try if you like Longbow

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-F;4sEku-d2VEF-0;9k7Z;1TJJ;027919-05;5K-F4;2JH8_H9dZEwk-1-56;2Vc-h0m1rYxZ259DV276mW6TsW6T;9;9;9;9;9;4V6s5Y

Try this build out in World vs World

I know what you’re thinking “Longbow and Conditions don’t mix”

If you pop sharpening stone before barraging people, anyone standing in the area eats 5 stacks of bleeds, not just one person, they all do, If anyone goes below 50% health, Keen Edges pop, and everyone will eat 5 more stacks of bleeds, Each hit from the 12 hits Barrage does, can proc Sharpened Edges and Sigil of Earth, which is 2 more stacks of bleeds.

On Average, if you stand in my Barrage, I’ll put 15 stacks of bleeds on you.

Rapid Also becomes a very good way of applying a lot of bleeds on people.

However, this is not a solo build, you will die horribly if you try and solo with this, it however is very nasty for groups and zerging.

If someone Turns and runs from you, Shortbow’s Rear attack can proc 3 Bleeds at once, and if you use Sharpening Stones before hand, 4 Bleeds….You can very quickly hit 25 stacks of bleeds on someone.

Rofl, I was playing with it earlier, I’d open with Rapid Fire on someone to apply every thing, when they turned to go after me, Boom I’d stealth

come out of stealth, Rapid Fire some more..

Get near me, boom Point Blank Shot (now 1200 range with Eagle Eye), time they got up, it was time for Stealth again.

dreztina.4820:

Xsorus.2507:

Yea i know man..

Having Pets do stuff in a MMO, totally skill less..

Its not like there has been an MMO before that required vastly more skill to play than this game but at the same time..Had things similar to Spirit Ranger, Minion Master..

Nope..

Doesn’t exist

http://www.darkageofcamelot.com/content/class-library-theurgist

http://www.darkageofcamelot.com/content/class-library-bonedancer

Clearing Pets is for baddies am I right..

Seriously, You guys honestly wouldn’t last a day in 8v8 in DAOC.

you’d crap yourselves.

Did you forget that BDs and theurgs (especially theurgs) were among the most hated classes in the entire game specifically because of pet spam? And alb groups in general running theurg, sorc, sorc, minst? It was sort of possible to deal with pets (in a group setting, often not solo), but it sure as hell wasn’t enjoyable and no one thought it was good for the game.

Rofl, Did I forget the time when Bonedancers/Theurgists/Animists/Savages/Zerkers/Sorcs/Cabbies/Champions/Reavers/Valkyries were the most hated classes in the game?

Nope..

You also don’t need double sorc, The absolute nastiest setup when we ran alb (mostly midgard here) was 3 Theurgist/1 Sorc/1 Minstrel/2 Clerics/1 Cabby….

When we ran midgard we didn’t even run BD’s in the group unless I got off my Savage or Valk and ran my BD (which i usually didn’t)

Oh I forgot Thanes and Runemaster at the beginning of the game..

and Smite Clerics

Was zerging around with it

getting 25 Stacks of Might very quickly in Zerg Fights using Drakes and Horn is funny, Very Bag Licious.

I’m almost tempted to just use a second main hand axe over sword,

http://www.twitch.tv/xsorovos/b/434934350

Short video showing how powerful the new horn is in terms of doing bleeds

Chopps.5047:

Xsorus.2507:

Dutch, its broken right now, but even if it wasn’kittens probably still not a great pick if you use Signets, all 3 of those Signets will do far more damage then gaining opening strikes again I imagine.

though you’re in PVE, so you probably don’t need the Signet Actives as much.

Meh, sotw cooldown is too long it’s not worth it. I only run signets with SOTB for stone invuln on my first pass through a new dungeon.

Top DPS and group boons for dungeon content is something like 20/30/0/20/0 or 20/25/0/25/0 or 25/30/0/15/0 with spirits.

I not bullkittenting dude. Spirits are good in dungeons IF you take Vigorous spirits, which, you should because fortifying bond is a MUST in dungeons to overcome aoe limit on boons. Boon sharing is only way pet reliably gets boons.

Spirit Builds aren’t bad in Dungeons, not great.. but not bad.

But yea, I could see where Signet of the Wild wouldn’t be amazing in PVE.

Atherakhia.4086:

It’s not necessarily that longbow’s damage is lacking. It is, obviously… because a power build with shortbow is just as/more effective… but I’d be fine with the damage longbow did if the class was actually capable of doing BURST damage.

Burst is what makes a difference in a fight. Single target sustained damage doesn’t do anything. The only reason Necro’s make it work is because they’re doing more damage to everyone and not just a single target.

Burst is what this class lacks. It’s boring as all hell to play because it doesn’t have it. There’s a reason this class’ sole build right now is regen/condi spec.

You must not of played a Maul Build before

You can pop people for 10k with the right setup.

Granted the Sustain on it blows, and you’ll die if you fight any competent bunker build, but we do in fact have Burst Damage.

Dutch, its broken right now, but even if it wasn’kittens probably still not a great pick if you use Signets, all 3 of those Signets will do far more damage then gaining opening strikes again I imagine.

though you’re in PVE, so you probably don’t need the Signet Actives as much.

Its not a good pick for most builds

Most Longbow builds wants Piercing Arrows and Eagle Eye (those builds have Shortbow as backup weapon)

the builds that use Greatsword and Maul for example will want Signet of the Beastmaster most of the time, as the damage increase from Signet of the Hunt/Signet of the Wild is far better then that Trait, and you get the added Signet of the Stone Defensive Ability.

Dutch Master.7208:

Xsorus.2507:

Stealth is incredibly poweful.

Having Stealth is a direct damage increase for you on a Ranger

Because every second you’re not dead, the more damage you’ll end up doing.

I really hate this argument
I am talking about damage here. “Burst” damage.

If what you said had any relevance then we would see CoF speedrun groups wearing soldiers gear instead of berzerkers.

Ahh you’re talking about PVE

Which actually i think makes less sense, Since Vulnerability will be stack to 25 in most fights anyway with or without longbow.

Yeap, both gear sets get some nice bonus’s for it, its a Trap Offhand Weapon for sure

Honestly thieves, you guys are overstating Remorseless..

Lets look at the builds that might actually use Remorseless

A. Maul Builds, these are the GreatSword/LB builds with basically Cav Gear/Knights/PVT ect ect, you can go Berserker if you want, but its very squishy, Maul is basically our Version of Backstab, cept its a lot harder to land, If we pop you with it, it will hurt ect ect…This build will not use Remorseless, Because this build is designed around using Signet of Beastmaster to increase your damage via SoTW/SoTH and having 6 seconds of Invul with Signet of Stone…

B. Rampager Bleed Builds, could use this setup…However I still think increased longbow range and pierce arrows is a better pick, Mainly because I already have 60% chance to crit base, before I factor in fury.

Those are actually the only two builds that I can think of right now that actually use Longbow.

The only one that would really get the most benefit would be the Maul Builds, but they already have a great trait they have to pickup.

LB is actually fairly nasty for Condition Builds if you use the right setup, however you’re very very squishy doing it..

Stealth will help builds like that, not a lot of power builds will run it, you might see some spirit rangers, but our other weapon sets are still probably better.

samo.1054:

So you seriously came here and compare 8v8 DAOC and 5v5 GW2, also excusing the oversaturation of GW2 battlefield with AI controlled minions, because DAOC also had that?

And you can, with a straight face, tell me, that what we can see on my screenshot, is serious Arena spvp e-sports material and every thing is fine?

If your answer to any of those question is “Yes”, then we are obviously in a strong disagreement and I have nothing more to say to you other than considering the sPvP community of this game, you are in a very very small minority…

8v8 was more of an esport than this game will ever be.

Not only was it about actually defeating your opponent, it required far more skill to play.

in that game if you saw a Theurgist spamming people (you think that’s screen clutter in that screenshot? 1 Theurgist could put out double that number of pets in 8v8, God help you if you fought a 2 or 3 theurgist team) with pets, that interrupted mind you, which kept people from casting any ability (think daze) while this was happening, You’d have your AOER actually kill those pets.

Yes, you actually had to have an AOER for characters like this, and yes those pets were mindless….

Next you’ll be whining about Wildsoul in HoN

Stealth is incredibly poweful.

Having Stealth is a direct damage increase for you on a Ranger

Because every second you’re not dead, the more damage you’ll end up doing.

It honestly should replace Dagger if you’re Traps

I personally will be using Axe/Horn with Sword/Torch on my setup, but I highly suggest you plop Sigil of Earth on your Axe/horn Set, with Sharpened Edges your Horn hits 16 times, that can actually be a pretty nasty bleed.

You also get more Crit from the Fury, Speed, Might and a Blast Finisher for multiple combo’s

The Stealth will help me when i’m running my Zerg Spec, that’s for sure

I’m also loving the Horn Changes for Trap Build, very very nice weapon for that set now.

Forzani.2584:

Xsorus.2507:

Not sure how Moment of Clarity is without being Asura, however if you’re Asura, i highly recommend it.

Technobabble becomes just nasty with it.

Being able to Chain Daze for a very long time is very very powerful

As for Armor Preference, i’ve tried my Technobabble Ranger Dazer Build (which is sort of similar to this) with multiple gear sets, and Clerics Armor built similar to BM Bunker honestly works the best.

Rangers just don’t support Power/Crit damage builds very well unless you do niche’s like Maul Builds (which does work, esp if you’re Sylvan) however things like Knights and such just kind of blah since our pet makes up a portion of our damage.

Human, so no babble for me

What weapon set did you use for your Cleric build ? Last week I was using GS + A/WH. Damage is a tad weak. One fight had a mesmer stand there..not fight..and laugh as I hit him with axes.

I need something ranged no matter what build I use. I haven’t tried SB since patch since axe is same range. I really want to keep GS for getting around. I really miss it when I don’t have it. I wonder if LB would work with Cleric/regen ?

I don’t know the answer

GS and SB still, I mean that’s 3 Dazes with Technobabble, I usually pop someone with Shortbow Daze while they’re healing, then they panic…they either pop a stun breaker, in which case i’ll technobabble them again during the heal… or they try and get distance so their heal pop.

Horn is actually very very nasty for Trap Builds Right now, people aren’t getting how nasty it actually is.

The Channel Attack hits 16 times, 16…

Use Sharpened Edges with Sigil of Earth on that weapon set, and you’ll see how nasty it is.

Ok, these are actual good changes for the Ranger

Stealth + Blast Finisher is nice.

jmatb.6307:

Xsorus.2507:

jmatb.6307:

Xsorus.2507:

jmatb.6307:

It gets worse when these types of specs are used offensively as well. A spirit ranger spreads burns through their sun spirit, and the burns from necros through Dhuumfire make it where you cleanse burn and you get another 10 seconds of it. All through traits and utilities you set and forget.

That is garbage and anybody with a pulse and awareness of basic targeting can be successful that way. It is more effective than what an entire professions, with all their tools, brings to the table, and they didn’t earn it.

Rofl, the fact that you think Those 3 classes aren’t passive in most of things they do is kind of hilarious

Not only do they get most of their boons by doing nothing but using skills they’d normally use, they get a bunch of freebies as well.

Elementalist for example..

Elemental Attunement

You get that just by swapping attunements which you’ll always do, It’d be like if I got protection every time I told my pet to retreat or fury every time I told it to attack.

Renewing Stamina, hey here is free vigor whenever you crit.

Evasive Arcana, again.. Passive Effects for doing something you’d normally be doing anyway, No thought to it.

Glyph of Elemental power is basically Sun Spirit in every way.

Evasive Arcana has a price. If you evade in water, a patient, good player is going to dump all their damage on you as soon as you switch out. It is very strong, but it is not God Mode. Evasive Arcana types of skills are much more interesting and better than % increases to damage or toughness.

I completely agree with Renewing Vigor. It makes it stupid to take another trait, although there are other passive choices there that are just as cheesy. Free Arcane Shield for getting low on health.

You only get burning from fire attunement skills at a 25% chance, and on top of it, that skill is terrrible to bring in comparison to Arcane Shield, Armor of Earth, or Mist Form. It’s a better skill to use as preparation rather than reacting, which makes it a bad stun break choice imo.

I am not on a vendetta for Rangers. Eles have a degree of passive play that makes them cheesy too. Signet of Restoration never needs to be used and returns much more as a skill than it ought to. It’s pretty dumb not to run SoResto as an Ele, which is something I don’t like about it.

Every class has these kinds of problems, and they encourage cookie cutter copy+pasting that limits creativity and narrows the metagame.

Spirits have a price, a good patient player will just dump on your pets soon as they spawn completely removing them from the fight.

You only get Burning if you use Burning Skills in a Burning Tree at 25% on something that can’t be killed? Gee….That’s terrible… Oh and don’t get me started on the whole “And you’d never take that because this is so much better routine” The fact that you have better abilities doesn’t negate the fact you can get something very similar to Spirits that promotes passive play.

Your posts talk about the passive play of other classes, while completely ignoring all the stupid little passive play of other classes you just happen to play, which screams of Bias.

Lol dude even if an ele did take that skill, which would not be a good idea for several reasons, you aren’t going to be in fire attunement long enough to see 20 seconds of burning being stacked on one target or some other fantasy scenario of fire and brimstone. Even if you did eles don’t have skills that proc multiple attacks at once in scepter or dagger, like Pistol Whip or Hundred Blades.

Those types of skills favor stuff that hits multiple times really fast like either bow on Ranger, GS on Warrior, etc.

I’ve already said that passive play on all classes ought to be addressed if you’re just reading what you want to see that’s not my problem.

Sun Spirit has a bloody 10 ICD, Multiple Attacks do nothing for Sun Spirit.

Now if you’re talking a bleed build sure.. but sun spirit no..

Also 20 seconds of Burning…Seriously? That’s like complaining of having a Minute of Poison on you (Which is very possible and very easy to do with a Thief).

Chances are it’ll be cured before it reaches the bloody 10 second mark, let alone 20 seconds (in which case you deserve to die)

samo.1054:

This is some serious spvp right here:
http://shrani.si/f/2t/YP/1T3De0H/srs.jpg

Some high skill cap stuff here. Let’s all let AI play out our matches shall we? Mind you, there are no mesmer illusions on this screenshot, and I don’t know what happened to Ranger’s spirits. They might have just died of by my super professional grenade spam. I totally covered that cap point with grenades. Didn’t care what was on that point, didn’t look, wasn’t important, I just thought to myself: “Whatever’s on that point is gonna kittening DIE DUDE!”. Maybe I even killed an enemy Warrior trying to pull a skill off or something. Maybe that warrior was even just passing by, that poor dude. Doesn’t matter, eat my grenade and don’t touch my cap points! Those cap points are mine. I’ve got AoE, you don’t.

Yea i know man..

Having Pets do stuff in a MMO, totally skill less..

Its not like there has been an MMO before that required vastly more skill to play than this game but at the same time..Had things similar to Spirit Ranger, Minion Master..

Nope..

Doesn’t exist

http://www.darkageofcamelot.com/content/class-library-theurgist

http://www.darkageofcamelot.com/content/class-library-bonedancer

Clearing Pets is for baddies am I right..

Seriously, You guys honestly wouldn’t last a day in 8v8 in DAOC.

you’d crap yourselves.

Can someone please produce a video of Spirit Rangers actually pwning people.

The only video i’ve seen is an all Ranger Team beating a team who played poorly on Objectives even though they murdered all the Rangers rather easily.

Not sure how Moment of Clarity is without being Asura, however if you’re Asura, i highly recommend it.

Technobabble becomes just nasty with it.

Being able to Chain Daze for a very long time is very very powerful

As for Armor Preference, i’ve tried my Technobabble Ranger Dazer Build (which is sort of similar to this) with multiple gear sets, and Clerics Armor built similar to BM Bunker honestly works the best.

Rangers just don’t support Power/Crit damage builds very well unless you do niche’s like Maul Builds (which does work, esp if you’re Sylvan) however things like Knights and such just kind of blah since our pet makes up a portion of our damage.

jmatb.6307:

Xsorus.2507:

jmatb.6307:

It gets worse when these types of specs are used offensively as well. A spirit ranger spreads burns through their sun spirit, and the burns from necros through Dhuumfire make it where you cleanse burn and you get another 10 seconds of it. All through traits and utilities you set and forget.

That is garbage and anybody with a pulse and awareness of basic targeting can be successful that way. It is more effective than what an entire professions, with all their tools, brings to the table, and they didn’t earn it.

Rofl, the fact that you think Those 3 classes aren’t passive in most of things they do is kind of hilarious

Not only do they get most of their boons by doing nothing but using skills they’d normally use, they get a bunch of freebies as well.

Elementalist for example..

Elemental Attunement

You get that just by swapping attunements which you’ll always do, It’d be like if I got protection every time I told my pet to retreat or fury every time I told it to attack.

Renewing Stamina, hey here is free vigor whenever you crit.

Evasive Arcana, again.. Passive Effects for doing something you’d normally be doing anyway, No thought to it.

Glyph of Elemental power is basically Sun Spirit in every way.

Evasive Arcana has a price. If you evade in water, a patient, good player is going to dump all their damage on you as soon as you switch out. It is very strong, but it is not God Mode. Evasive Arcana types of skills are much more interesting and better than % increases to damage or toughness.

I completely agree with Renewing Vigor. It makes it stupid to take another trait, although there are other passive choices there that are just as cheesy. Free Arcane Shield for getting low on health.

You only get burning from fire attunement skills at a 25% chance, and on top of it, that skill is terrrible to bring in comparison to Arcane Shield, Armor of Earth, or Mist Form. It’s a better skill to use as preparation rather than reacting, which makes it a bad stun break choice imo.

I am not on a vendetta for Rangers. Eles have a degree of passive play that makes them cheesy too. Signet of Restoration never needs to be used and returns much more as a skill than it ought to. It’s pretty dumb not to run SoResto as an Ele, which is something I don’t like about it.

Every class has these kinds of problems, and they encourage cookie cutter copy+pasting that limits creativity and narrows the metagame.

Spirits have a price, a good patient player will just dump on your pets soon as they spawn completely removing them from the fight.

You only get Burning if you use Burning Skills in a Burning Tree at 25% on something that can’t be killed? Gee….That’s terrible… Oh and don’t get me started on the whole “And you’d never take that because this is so much better routine” The fact that you have better abilities doesn’t negate the fact you can get something very similar to Spirits that promotes passive play.

Your posts talk about the passive play of other classes, while completely ignoring all the stupid little passive play of other classes you just happen to play, which screams of Bias.

jmatb.6307:

cbrooks, pvp is not wvw. A thief instagibbing you there is mostly because of the stats they can stack and a choice people make to not stack armor in favor of offense. If you stack condi dmg or power you can expect thieves, especially experienced ones, to gib you b/c you’ve made that tradeoff.

I’ve already made a post going over what you do against a thief. They do not disappear entirely, just from your view. They are not immune to everything like Mesmers are when they use distortion. Good players recognize that Thieves that do not port out are susceptible to damage and punish them accordingly if they use stealth predictably. They can kite them with just moving around too.

AFK is a sarcastic way of describing the meta ranger, where passive bonuses through spirits, signets, etc. are what the Ranger rides to get the same production as other classes who actually use all their utilities throughout the fight. It requires nowhere near as much awareness and skill to run a Ranger right now as other classes.

For the above posts I agree that rotation is important, but 1v1 is still important because when you have to bring 2 guys to take one down that takes away from secondary objectives and team fights.

If that guy that requires 2 people to take down is using cooldowns, CC, and healing effectively I respect that. A well played Bunker Guardian, Elementalist, and Engineer, who have to earn their sustain more than rely on passives, are good players.

But when 2 people have to take down one guy who is just spamming their weapons and heal I don’t respect that. They are getting carried by their spec and regardless of whether or not they may be a good player, that is an advantage that does not belong in a PvP setting where skill is supposed to outweigh the class mechanics.

It gets worse when these types of specs are used offensively as well. A spirit ranger spreads burns through their sun spirit, and the burns from necros through Dhuumfire make it where you cleanse burn and you get another 10 seconds of it. All through traits and utilities you set and forget.

That is garbage and anybody with a pulse and awareness of basic targeting can be successful that way. It is more effective than what an entire professions, with all their tools, brings to the table, and they didn’t earn it.

Rofl, the fact that you think Those 3 classes aren’t passive in most of things they do is kind of hilarious

Not only do they get most of their boons by doing nothing but using skills they’d normally use, they get a bunch of freebies as well.

Elementalist for example..

Elemental Attunement

You get that just by swapping attunements which you’ll always do, It’d be like if I got protection every time I told my pet to retreat or fury every time I told it to attack.

Renewing Stamina, hey here is free vigor whenever you crit.

Evasive Arcana, again.. Passive Effects for doing something you’d normally be doing anyway, No thought to it.

Glyph of Elemental power is basically Sun Spirit in every way.

I’ve only lost to one necro after the patch, who switched over to that Condition Transfer Signet after I beat him 4 times in a row, I could of easily swapped over to my SoR though to cancel that out though.

But yea, if you have SoR and you’re BM, you shouldn’t have trouble with most Necro’s

However if a Necro adds on your fight, you best see him coming and be prepared to run.

jmatb.6307:

This coming from an “elite player” whose team runs two necros, two spirit rangers, and a guardian.

Sure, hit me up I want to put together a team of faceroll specs and call ourselves Team Cheese Squad

I know AoE is what you do to stop Spirit Rangers. The damage simultaneously drops the spirits, then you focus the elite, and then drop the ranger when they have nothing left.

I don’t want to play like that though. AoE is not challenging at all. I want to beat someone with skill, not spamming AoE from Necros, Engis, or spam evades with S/D.

When you have to target an area to beat one guy it’s complete garbage.

This is the problem with GW2 SPvP players..

What you just described is how you beat multiple classes in Dark Age of Camelot, which required far more skill to do 8v8 in than SPvP in this game.

“I don’t want to clear a bunch of Theurgist pets with aoe, I just want to single target them!”

jmatb.6307:

lol just summoning spirits, healing, and weapon attacks are the laziest way to play i’ve seen on this game. There is no argument anybody can make otherwise.

Ele and Thief takes zero skill? They are the squishiest classes in the game if you aren’t on top of your game you will get slaughtered. They start with 10k health and have to actually press buttons to heal themselves, with an s.

A Thief and Ele, btw, have to work their butts off to get the same results as an AFK Ranger

Rofl, They’re the Squishiest class in the game? Other then the crap ton of Protection The Ele has and the multiple get out of jail free cards, as for Thief, Stealth Nuff said.

And don’t even get me started on the How you go about the Thief requiring skill to play but then rag on Signet Rangers

You can spend 30 points in a bloody line on Thieves, and get the ability to Heal and Remove Conditions every time you go into Stealth, as Passives… Hell..Your Healing Per Second is actually better than a Ranger has if you actually spec into the lines and actually use the same type of healing gear..I should know..I have a bloody thief, and I bloody do that..I get upwards to 800 Healing Per Second While Stealthed…That’s not including my actual Heal..That’s just Passive Healing that I get for going into stealth.

To even begin to claim the Thief requires any amount of skill at anything in this game is sad.

Also Lets clear something up for people who come into this thread.

Having No Sustain doesn’t make your class magically harder to play then a class with Sustain, There is virtually zero skill in playing a 100b Warrior, but its Sustain is god awful

Just like having more get out of free cards in this game doesn’t actually mean your class harder to play.

a D/P, S/D,P/D Thieves all require smashing your head against the key board to be effective… ..But They have a crap ton of get out of jail free cards..

Doesn’t mean their class requires more skill, it just means they can screw up more and live.

jmatb.6307:

Aphoticrain.8420:

jmatb.6307:

Phantaram.1265:

Completely agree with this. The perfect example of something that is nearly the complete opposite of being active is spirit ranger. Spam 1 on your shortbow and if they get close just activate all spirits! You’ve now played this class to near optimization grats. Skill needs to be a more emphasized part of the game. And if simple builds are to stay in, they shouldn’t be the strongest builds.

Yeah Ranger keeps getting lazier and lazier. If they aren’t riding their pet, they’re riding spirits. Signets and traits remove conditions better than anyone without having to worry about it.

When you don’t have to use your utilities at all and other professions have to bring Lyssa runes or certain utilities just to survive long enough to contribute there’s a serious problem.

Why yes rangers must be lazy for attempting and using builds that work or stand a chance in 1v1 and group settings. Balthazar forbid we are actually able to do or beat anything. Instead we should clearly just all use the pig pet and be forced to fight with whatever it drops in order to keep the fight “active” enough.

While we have a nice CD removal if traited for it, it still works on a cooldown so if your just spamming conditions at the start like confetti then I think its perfectly reasonable that it can be removed.

In terms of spirits. Kill them, then the ranger.

And I would disagree with the not using of utilities. Passive utilities have an active and have times when the active is useful at the cost of the passive (accept when traited on an ele) and I find it unlikely that most people running signets or spirits/minions and not using the utilities are succeeding on a regular basis.

Hyperbole much?

I never said Rangers need to be nerfed into oblivion. I just want them and any other spec that relies on passive bonuses to actually earn their productivity by using their utilities and weapons skillfully.

I can respect Rangers who run traps or power builds. They have to actually time their skills and utilities. They aren’t going to survive if they don’t.

But when you get empathic bond that requires no effort, signets that require little effort, and spirits that require almost no effort, and you can play better, because of the spec, than entire professions played by skilled players using a single target strategy that is complete garbage.

Rofl, So you respect Power Builds and Trap Builds more then Spirit Builds and Signet Bunker Builds

A. Most Power Builds are going to be using Signets just like Bunker Builds, Cause there is virtually nothing else they can use on a Ranger other then Signets…. Chances are if you’re a Power Build, you have 30 in Marksman which means you have Signet of Beastmaster, which means you might actually pop one of your signets every now and again.

B. Trap Builds are virtually the same as spirit builds, in fact a Trap Build is vastly easier to play then a Spirit Build, I basically just spam a GTAE when its up, Its no different from a Grenade Engineer which also takes zero skill (Like a Elementalist also takes zero skill, and anyone who thinks a Thief remotely takes any skill is out of his kitten mind)

At least with a Spirit Build I actually have to some what time when I use my abilities so an enemy is standing in the area…

C. Do you know why Rangers run Signets in the first place? and why they require “no effort” as you put it…Because Traps Require a 30 point investment in Skirmishing, Spirits require a 30 point investment in Natures, Our Pets shouts are just as bad, In fact to make Guard somewhat useful, it requires 30 points in Natures, Sic’EM is god awful and will end so no one likes using it, esp after the pet damage nerf, and Protect Me is basically only used on Glass Cannon Builds because there is no point in killing your pet on any other build. That Leaves signets and our utility skills, Muddy Terrain no one runs because its got an obscene cast time that’s un workable, Lightning Reflex/Sharpening Stones are actually used, but only on very specific builds. So that leaves basically Signets.

As a BM Bunker Ranger, you have no choice on using your signets, The only one you use is the Cure Condition one because Signet of the Wild/Signet of the Hunt/and Signet of Stone have no effect on the ranger what so ever..I would love to use those Signets and take a hit, but i’m not investing 30 points into the power line just to get the benefit of every other class.

Prysin.8542:

Xsorus.2507:

Just went and tested it in SPvP, but recorded it, I did manage to get it to crit, but it seems to be based off its on Crit stat

cause it didn’t crit at all very much.

However changing necklaces/weapons ect ect did nothing to change the damage, though I think its positioning will (i’m starting to think it gets our damage traits)

http://www.twitch.tv/xsorovos/b/432529953

Video if you want to watch

please be aware that sPVP sometimes have other mechanics then PvE and WvW. Are you sure spirits are not affected? because when capping a camp in the spirit build, i do around 3200 MAX against the NPC guards. I specced for full glass cannon and did 6900 to the same NPC in the same camp.

i will do a recording later to make sure it wasn’t a coincident. After all, for all i know, they may just use a random algorithm on the whole thing.

Edit: scrap that, just did a test against dolyaks around the http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Earthshake_Basin Waypoint. In PvE enviroment, it does a constant 2790 damage, with occasional spikes up to 3600 (1 in every 15 strikes)

So conclusion; either it has random crit effects that somehow kept hitting, and i just happened to be ridiculously lucky with those lightning strikes. Or WvW has a completely different mechanic, apart from PvE and sPvP

Th 6900 was a crit, but the crit rate on them is incredibly low, even with high crit rate on the ranger, so I will assume thakittens based off the spirits crit rate, which whatever that is.

Durzlla.6295:

Xsorus.2507:

I mean for BM Bunker, don’t use shortbow

Sword/Dagger/Axe/Torch are the weapons you want

shortbow is better for other things

I was always a fan of Sword/Torch/Axe/Dagger, but it’s essentially the same thing…

Shortbow is not a weapon you’d wanna use with BM though.

Ehh, gah I worded it that way cause I didn’t want to specify hehe

But yea S/T and A/D work just the same

I just tried a combination of this and my rampager/trapper build.

Basically I used Signet of Hunt (WvW), Sharpening Stone, Sun Spirit, had full toughness gear on running basically same talent setup (though I used Longbow)

Whenever we fought a zerg I’d pop sharpening stone and Barrage into it, it’d proc burning on someone, if I was chasing someone I’d use Shortbow with it.

My condition damage with this setup is around 2040..Which means my burn is hitting for over 830 a tic

Not sure how it compares to regular trapper build and such, was interesting.

Just went and tested it in SPvP, but recorded it, I did manage to get it to crit, but it seems to be based off its on Crit stat

cause it didn’t crit at all very much.

However changing necklaces/weapons ect ect did nothing to change the damage, though I think its positioning will (i’m starting to think it gets our damage traits)

http://www.twitch.tv/xsorovos/b/432529953

Video if you want to watch

Prysin.8542:

Xsorus.2507:

I ended up testing Lighting Call a while back, and i could never get it to crit.

and i had a lot of crit at the time, i’ll try again to see if i can get it to work.

It might work off its own crit chance or something.

Lightning call are based on the players stats. So, if you use full zerker, it will do insane damage, if you use a condition build, it will hardly do any.

Unless its completely different in PVE environment this is completely untrue

It doesn’t crit, and it isn’t based off our stats

It did around 3000 damage if I was naked or in full power gear

Just tested it in SPvP again, It may crit, but its crit rate is so unbelievably low that i’ve seen it do it twice I think (and even then i’m not completely sure if it critted, or if just hit some random grey mob, I need to video it)

With or without the necklace the damage seemed to be around 2800 or so..it varied slightly.

Yea i saw the warrior video, I like that spec and gear setup.

I mean for BM Bunker, don’t use shortbow

Sword/Dagger/Axe/Torch are the weapons you want

shortbow is better for other things

I really need to replace my shortbow in my Technobabble build for Sword/Horn

Don’t use Shortbow..

I ended up testing Lighting Call a while back, and i could never get it to crit.

and i had a lot of crit at the time, i’ll try again to see if i can get it to work.

It might work off its own crit chance or something.

nagymbear.5280:

I just want to know – having watched the video from 1:54 – whether other rangers think the ranger is easy mode where you only need to spam 1 and are evading all the time?

I love it how they are 50 points up at the beginning and someone says, this is going easier then I thought, and 13 minutes in Zoose goes we need some points. Sounds like theye were over confident/didn’t know what just hit them. Some other bombshells:
“How do I deal with 1 spam?”
“We have to kill spirits every 2 seconds”
“F this game, necros and spirit rangers”

Lol

Nerfs incoming:
- Lynx now applies 1 second bleeds
- Sword damage is coming down, 1 of the evades are gone, cause its clearly the best weapon the ranger has (best damage, 66% evades on the skills), so we need the other weapons to look more viable
- Spirit cooldown have been aligned to the elite (i.e. 240s)

The only spirit they had to actually kill was the 240 cooldown elite, all the other spirits died at the start of every fight.

Eurantien.4632:

Conan.8046:

Wonder how they would have been if they met 5 necromancers….

We have played 3 necros and 2 spirit rangers. That is as close as we got. I just told all the rangers to bring signet of renewal. We won.

Be a kitten, run 3 Minion Mancer’s and 2 Spirit Rangers

Bring a 30 Man zerg to fight 5 people

Just thought i’d show the scores at the end

Rangers
105
100
85
65
40

The “other” team
175
130
130
130
75

They lost cause they didn’t control the map

The best part of that matchup

Team Makeup

Mesmer/Guardian/Elementalist/Necro/Engineer

If Rangers were so amazing, why didn’t they have on their team

Puandro.3245:

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2guru/b/410812694

53:30

Zooze – “BM Ranger’s OP”

Rofl, how sad..No wonder we got nerfed..kitten Muffins like that who lose to a full Ranger Team cause they don’t know how to play SPvP worth a kitten results in a nerf for us in every other mode.

This is why Anet needs to quit listening to SPvP folks, its quite obvious that most of the top “players” are just baddies who can’t even figure out how to play the bloody mode they’re suppose to be good at.

Rofl, that match cracks me up.

A. The Spirits died almost instantly into every fight, The only spirit that didn’t die was the 240 second cd elite.

B. They had more kills then the Ranger Team, In fact they were beating them pretty badly at that….Problem is they didn’t cover points which is how SPVP is won, not by actually winning pvp fights (its also why no takes SPvP seriously as a game of pvp skill)

C. This elementalist was whining about Shortbow spam from multiple Rangers, which i find personally funny, because he’d kitten a brick having 1 Rampager Ranger running the bleed build on his kitten (I can do around 25 stacks of bleeds in a matter of seconds)

Moving Traps to Wilderness would actually be a nerf to Trap Builds believe it or not.

Most of our good defensive and weapon traits are in Wilderness Line, something Trap Builds are going to go up anyway.

As for Precision not being useful to traps, That is untrue, By going Rabid for example you will have fairly high crit rate, which allows you to pickup things like Sharpened Edges and use Sigil of Earth, these will all proc from you actual Traps themselves, So things like Flame Trap can proc bleeds, and Spiked Trap as well…

Condition Duration in the Power line is meant for things like Vunerability, and allowing Rampager Builds to exist with Longbow (I run a builds like this, Barrage Becomes a massive AOE Bleed with the right setup)

Dardamaniac.1295:

Nice ideas from Xsorus again..The only thing that i disagree is that you add to much cond removal,its a nice idea to remove the necessity of Empathetic Bond and the 30 points in WS traitline but it would be OP imo

But all these changes will made Rangers a very strong class and defently we dont want that..We want Ranger to have broken-useless traits-skills cause every class have a lot too and it wouldnt be fair..
Thats why it took em 7 months to fix Companions Might,its not like they are so ignorant to actually think that 1 might for 1sec on pets it would be an interesting option

Most of the Condition Removal I added was actually GM Traits, and I made them require Weapons or abilities from that line

Notice that Grandmaster BM doesn’t have a Condition Removal Trait because most people with 30 BM go 30 Natures or 30 Wilderness, the Wilderness one is actually probably a nerf over its current version, but it gives us more active control on when we want to use condition removal.

the 30 Natures one requires Spirits, so it’s not used by either of the Heavy Bunker Builds right now.

The setups with actual large amounts of condition removal will be the ones that aren’t bunker, the 30 Marksman/30 Skirmish setups for example

nagymbear.5280:

Xsorus.2507:

Pet Cemetery – Whenever your pet dies, The ghost of said pet will now follow the target who killed him for 15 seconds in an unwavering rage.

Does this mean the ghost will attack the killer? If so this sounds really overpowered. Some area effect when the pet dies maybe would be better. This way rangers could play around with this, like the Necro concept video of bone minions exploding. Rangers then could send their pets into the enemy zerg and get something out of their pet dying for a change. Or maybe if they just released their F2 effects in aoe, would be nice.

Yea, it means it’d attack the killer, the basic idea of the trait would it’d be used by a lot of builds where the pet does die a lot, like Berserker Rangers for example, They could use it with Protect me for example, people kill the pet and it rises from the dead and attacks them while the Ranger swaps to a new pet.

Doesn’t have to be a full power pet, but it’d still be interesting never the less.