If I could have one change in World vs World right now, it would be Ranks being Account Based instead of character based..
I want Ranks on my Ranger, but I bloody hate zerging on that class, and would sometimes love to play my Thief and Necro… but I don’t want to play an alt class when I want Ranks for my Ranger.
I’m trying to balance the stats somewhat
Clerics could also be used in PVT’s case.
I want over 1700 toughness and 1000+ condition damage
and I want my Power to be a reasonable level with 25 stacks of Bloodlust
Another option is something like this
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- Reduce the #4 to 1 stack of confusion.
- Reduce the #6 to 3 stacks of confusion, reduce bease duration to 5s and give it 20s internal cd.The way it is it’s just wildly superior to any confusion a mesmer can do which shouldn’t be the case.
No one would use these runes with that setup, I know i’d drop them with a quickness because they’re not comparable to the other Condition Runes.
does it need a nerf?
Warrior can stack 25 on a person easily. And keep it there…
People not heard of stability?
erm confusion is a condition not a cc…..and even if u have stability (btw mesmers have a weak stability as we dont have many skills that do that for us) in a zerg u will not be able to keep stability up consitently
How is the confusion dealt? Interrupts. How do you interrupt people? With cc. What shields you from interrupts? Stability.
In a Zerg conditions are not very effective at all, so much aoe condi cleanse from shout guardians/warriors, warrior horns, nullfield, necro well of power, engi fumigate the list goes on and on.
This is only a powerful rune in small play or 1v1’s but at the end of the day wvw is mainly about ppt not 1v1’s. There are hard counters to everything an example to this would be a ranger, all a ranger would have to do is pop Rampage as one and these runes become useless.
- Reduce the #4 to 1 stack of confusion.
- Reduce the #6 to 3 stacks of confusion, reduce bease duration to 5s and give it 20s internal cd.The way it is it’s just wildly superior to any confusion a mesmer can do which shouldn’t be the case.
With a nerf as huge as this nobody would ever use these runes and we already have far to many pointless runes that nobody uses. At least with the implementation of these runes people will be pulled away from the usual runesets everyone uses.
u are aware though that not all classes have such easy access to stability. on my mesmer i have 1 mantra i could use but that is kind hard to do if u dont run a mantra build. so what stability? guardians and warriors have great stability, but warrior is also the one that can now multi stack confusion and has pretty nice interrupts……
No he’s right, In a zerg with the amount of stability popped and shouts removing conditions this wouldn’t last long…
I mean think if you’re applying 25 stacks of confusion in a zerg, oh wait.. a Necro just transferred it right back to your team.
1v1 Though its powerful.. no doubt.
When my warrior is finally 80, i’m looking forward to play a Sword/Shield + Mace/Sword interrupt condi build.
Go Longbow secondary weapon, You don’t need 25 stacks of Confusion, as time you get close to getting them up they’ll be gone.
Sword/Shield though is fine, Esp Shield….That’s an Interrupt that gives you 9 stacks of Confusion with the right setup, or 5 without it (still good) think of it as a Supplemental Rune on damage, not all your damage
Right now i’m running technobabble on my apothecary BM Bunker build
But with that setup, probably Dogs, usually I’d run cats cause of the damage loss I take running full clerics, but since that set has fairly high damage i could get by running Dogs I think.
To be honest, against most players it won’t last the full duration.
What makes it somewhat overpowered is some builds can stack the crap out of Confusion to 25 stacks..Which is incredibly powerful…Which i honestly don’t have a problem with it being powerful either, But ease at which they can do it is kind of over the top.
I actually don’t have a Problem with Mesmer’s doing high stacks right now….I think the Confusion Nerf ended up causing a lot of the Spam problems with have right now in PvP.
i’d just had a small ICD to the 6 point ability
a 1-2 second Confusion would be pretty much useless
I know why they’re considered Oped in SPvP
Because of all SPvP are designed, you standing in a small point to capture it.
Which means you’re fighting a Spirit Ranger who can pop all his Spirits actives, have them die to some cleave attack, and have it go off again. I mean thats 6k damage just from the Storm Spirit alone..
Take that same spec, and put it in something like World vs World, where if you have a bunch of spirits I can pick them off 1 by 1 and you have no chance of landing all 3 of them on me.
But yea, its that reason they’re overpowered as the SPvP folks like to say, Because You get say 3 Minion Master Necro’s who’s pets all die and explode doing damage and you have 2 spirit rangers who do the same thing, Of course if you’re fighting on a small kitten point that might be difficult for most people.
As for how Easy a Spirit Ranger is to play, having played a couple other classes, I can safely say it doesn’t take less skill then most other’s…If you think a D/P thief takes skill or a Necro or an Ele.. you’re fooling yourself.
I opted out of Pain Inverter with that rune set, While PI is nice, Technobabble is a Daze with a 5 stack Confusion Stacked with it.
Though you could play it more Safe and run PI if you want to give up that 5 stack.
I really want to get that gear set for this build though, Its got a lot of potential to be very nasty with the right Ranks in World vs World example (extra 100 power and condition damage plus another 2500 hp)
Hammer Warriors probably wouldn’t run it
You could do a Condition warrior though
Sword/Shield with Longbow
They wouldn’t be able to stack 24 stacks, But you honestly don’t need 24 stacks…
build i’m working for
A lot of us in the Ranger community have been waiting patiently for ANet to start improving our pet’s AI, survivability, cast time reductions on F2 skills, compensation skill(s) after pet’s death, cleaving attacks and pet revival time reduction, so on.
The pet is our profession’s gimmick which works against us more than benefits us. Every other professions F-key skills work fine but the Ranger has to wait for the pet to get in range—then wait for the pet to cast the ability and by then I have swooped or ran away because that F2 skill told 10 years to cast. Futhermore, we have no F2 skills when the pet dies. Our pets are a joke. A seasoned players will focus our pets first because of the HUGE advantage they will have after that.
Also, this game is all about AoE in PvE, s&tPvP and WvW and not introducing a pet mechanic to evade, reduce damage from AoE or non-trait health regen is hurting us badly as well.
In tpvp we have one broken build which will be fixed first I bet but in WvW and in PvE the profession is seen as a joke because of the lack of effort towards fixing our professions main mechanic.
Next overhaul?
The day after Never
I think the stacks and duration is fine for the rune, but it can be abused to get very high stacks of Confusion, a 10 second ICD would make it fairly nice without causing some of the major problems it currently does with some classes.
The 4th Slot will only do around 500 or so in World vs World, its basically a Rune version of Pain Inverter somewhat.
the 6th slot one is 5 stacks, and does around 835 damage per skill use You really only need 10% duration with Rare Veggie Pizza to make it around 15 seconds Duration.
most people will clear it well before then, but a few people without condition removal won’t.
Saying a Mesmer is bad because Its not used in SPvP anymore is rather silly.
Since winning SPvP often isn’t determined by actually winning fights, but more about Controlling Points.
Anyway… The Rune itself probably does need a ICD put on the 6th ability…Mainly Because it can be spammy on some classes.. realistically though you actually have to interrupt someone.. and Interrupting someone isn’t always the easiest thing to do.
Stealth needs to be looked at, All it really takes is playing a Thief to realize its bloody stupid.
I agree, it is stupidly easy to counter thief stealth. They have no chance against someone with half a brain.
If you fight a half way decent thief on most classes, You’ll die..
Its only a matter of time.
Hell I’ve taken my D/P build out every now and again, Just chain spam stealth till someone comes long, Pop my 2 signets for the 25 stacks of might total.. and then backstab someone for 15k followed by a massive 5k Heart Seeker
Ranger can’t do it, but Thieves can..
Warriors, Would have to run very special selection of abilities to do it I think.
I have it on my ranger, Honestly it needs a 10 second ICD
Stealth needs to be looked at, All it really takes is playing a Thief to realize its bloody stupid.
It doesn’t have an internal cooldown on the interrupt part.
That’s the new Ranger build I want to run with it.
Right now using my Old BM Bunker build but I only have Technobabble for interrupting because SB/GS suck balls with apothecary gear.
Even if they were to add a Cooldown to it, it’d still be amazing for a build like the one right there.
By the way, interesting thing I noticed about Technobabble earlier after a warrior skullcracked me and went for 100b
You can use it while Stunned..
Rofl..at this thread..
My goal is to work towards something like this
Start adding in things like the 2500 HP from WvW and 100 Power/100 condition damage and this build starts becoming super beast mode
Just curious, what do you get for focusing the pet? Its not like the spirit ranger is specced for BM so couldnt we just ignore the pet?
It still does damage, and more importantly pretty much every Spirit Ranger has 30 points in Wilderness for Empathetic Bond…
Remove that, and you basically gut most rangers Condition Removal.
bring back BM rangers?
If I play a zerker ele with no water traits, I believe rangers can play a build where they actually need to think instead than simply spam skills of CD
Like the man up above stated, If you think Zerker Ranger is a hidden gem, why don’t you hop on one and show all those Spirit Rangers how its done.
By the way, for those curious how you kill Spirit Ranger
Kill the Sun Spirit, Then Kill the Ranger Pet (If he swaps, burn that pet), then kill the Ranger
That’s how I kill them with BM Bunker build, which should be much slower then a Glass Cannon Ele.
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KK then let’s all switch to ranger and necro while waiting for the magic patch…guess that’s an alternative from uninstall the game
So…
Double Ele’s , Double Necro 1 Engie is fine
but 3 necro’s Double Spirit Rangers is not?
rofl, I take it back, I do have an AOE interrupt, if you get downed, whoever you hit with the interrupt will eat the confusion stacks as well, each person gets it.
That last Gauntlet fight is just silly, I pop in my pet is dead 3 seconds in..
Why have a Ranger pet at all
I decided to spent 30g for a set of these runes and some WvW rabid gear to try them out for myself. I used staff and scepter/torch with a 20/20/30/0/0 build, and Arcane Thievery, Blink, and Decoy for my utilities. Overall, I found the damage to be incredible; Torment already hits like a truck, and with the runes, it’s very easy to get 8+ stacks of confusion on the opponent, which will easily tick for over 1k. Also, being able to get massive AoE confusion from Chaos Storm was great for 1vx fights.
Previously I had been running Lyssa runes with an identical build, with the exception of sword/torch instead of scepter/torch. Overall, I seemed to have just as much survivability; the offensive pressure was such that I could push people to play defensively. Like they say, the best defense is a good offense. The one exception was when I was fighting conditionmancers; 1v1 they were alright, but they ate me alive when I was facing them in a 1vx scenario. I found that not having access to the mass cleanse I had previously been using was downright deadly.
Ultimately, I was very pleased with the Runes of Perplexity. They provided a significant amount of extra damage throughout the course of my fights, and the loss of survivability was minimal. An excellent new rune for us condition mesmers.
It don’t matter what class you are, usually when a conditionmancer adds on your fight you best be ready to run or die….
Ehh…I don’t have an AOE interrupt, I imagine it applies the Confusion to each person you interrupt though.
Each item of the porcine pets forage drop have their own cooldown. So If I get a boar skull and then another boar skull then I have to wait seventy seconds (one hundred twenty second cooldown) to use the one I just picked up (sadly, it will disappear in thirty seconds anyway).
Seems kind of ridiculous to nerf a pet no one uses not to mention that enemies can still pick up these items!
What do you guys think?
Rofl… no…. you have to be joking..
God…what an awful pet….I wish they’d replace it with something else
DAOC had a nasty res sickness when you ressed someone in combat.. for good reason too
Because Ressing in combat is incredibly powerful.
But yea, If this was Warhammer Online for example or DAOC….If you had a Large number of people outside the door of the keep you’re in, and only a handful defending, You could use Siege and such to kill those people..They’d of course die, and because not everyone could res, It would take a while to res these people, You could eventually wear them down enough for you to run outside and destroy them…Thus ending the fight.
This game is different, Often unless you have a stupid amount of siege just wailing a spot, a group of people can run over and res anyone downed within seconds….Meaning that they’ll eventually just get the door down unless you have a Large Zerg of your own show up..
I’m going to guess that ricochet will use it up as well
So while it was a nice fix with Split Blade, it kitten my poor Barrage and such :o(
The only way you can apply perma poison and burn is by having the person you’re applying it to not have any form of condition removal
I mean christ, you guys are crying about perma Poison, you realize that I can put 2mins of poison on your entire group as a Thief with a single Shortbow round….
However since most people aren’t tards completely, you’ll never realistically have 2 mins of poison.
I see a lot of Hammer Warriors in Zergs
rofl…ain’t that the truth
Yea, the Reef Drake stacks suck, and no way in hell i’d run QZ with my build
Anyway, the build i’m now adopting for this is
10 Marksman (keen edges)
0 Skirmish
30 Wilderness
0 Natures
30 Beast (though you could go 20 and drop the 10 points in Natures)
the 10 in Marksman gives me 10% condition duration, then you get 30 from rune, 40 from food, so 80% duration which is 5 over what ya need to turn the interrupt confusion into 15 seconds of Confusion Loving.
Actually ended up killing a thief because of it again today, he was at half life, and popped him with it, he tried stealth and ended up dying in stealth from it.
You also get Keen Edges, which can pop someone for 10 stacks of bleeds on Splitblade if ya do it right.
Only thing that’s a problem is getting the interrupt, since its specifically on that, So you have to time it right and its not always easy as some classes don’t have huge cast time abilities. (Though I can’t wait to run into a kitten elementalist again, I missed jacking them over hard with it)
But yea, This rune single handily brought back the Confusion spec for Rangers if you’re Asura, Though even without Asura…You can still use Shortbow and accomplish the same thing.
I’m hitting 11 stacks of confusion coz I’m using both techno and PI, pretty fun~
YEa, not sure i’d give up speed for PI though
It seems odd they’d have different stats for our pets.
I was having trouble with them trying to figure out why the hell I was getting knocked down, seems one the arena’s was bugged and had perma tremble on, so I kept getting knocked down constantly then shot.
This was taken in 2012
when the zergs were considerably smaller then they use to be.
A. the zergs in DAOC were massive, and completely blow this game away in size…To give you an idea… Whenever we did an ML raid on Midgard Merlin, we had to run 2 Battlegroups, that’s 500 Players, all in one area… stuck together… That’s one Faction… When Frontiers were attacked, the zergs that poured out were massive….Now what kept most of the massive zerg battles in check though was the fact that an 8man could run by and blow an entire zerg up in seconds.
DAoC solved their problems by implementing heavy crowd control so if a fight of 500 people broke out about 450 of them were turned completely off. I won’t argue that DAoC did more players in an area but their condition/boon system was simpler, it was far less action based (no kind of dodge mechanic) and the run times were yawn worthy… even dying had a nice lag on it if you missed the 5 minute window.
B. Warhammer Online, Is also comparable to this game, When did it lag? Not during open field or running around, The Major Complaint when it lagged was when you stacked the entire server in a small area that was comparable to EB Center Keep. That’s why they introduced the cap, Because the game couldn’t handle that many players (Neither could GW2, hence why you have a cap on the Maps)
You cannot possibly be serious with this one. They had to remove Frontier Wars because it was completely unplayable once 100 people showed up. The lag in this game was far worse than GW2, the bugs were horrible and the class balance atrocious.
They didn’t remove the Frontier Wars, the Open World PvP lakes were still the most played thing in the game, even today..What they had to do was put a Cap on the Fortress’s and eventually just turn them off completely because it unplayable to stack a whole server there (Seriously, think if EB didn’t have a cap, and you had an entire server fighting in the middle room, GW2 would croak)
Also I think you really over estimate how long CC lasted in massive zerg fights… AOE mez lasted right up until you got hit, Which in a zerg fight, was very very quickly.
Only thing is, Asura Engineer’s are going to be a freakin nightmare now if they figure it out.
the 3 on hit proc pretty much constant
Its also not 3 on Interrupt, but 5….
I’m using Technobabble on my Ranger to do it.
Once I get celestrial gear i’ll run my full setup with it hehe
It is, It makes killing mobs in PvE incredibly fast as well… since you get full damage.
i’m playing warrior in pvp since game launch, i’have tried the skullcrack/100b build, and i have to say it’s really kitten and far from overpowered. With this build you are soooo predictable and people have sooo many way to escape the “deadly combo” and while you are doing it you are immobile, in pvp being immobile mean you are some dead meat soon.
Really don’t try this against brained ennemies you’ll only end frustrated.
Dude, we’ll never be able to convince you thakittens overpowered, That much is obvious..Nor will we convince most of the warriors on this forum of the same thing…..What most of us are saying is, When they come in and gut your class and build… Don’t be surprised… I’ll bump this thread when they do it… So you can remember next time to listen to other classes that have gotten nerfed fairly hard.
You might not be into this rune, but my Bloody Ranger loves it….
OMG…
I love this rune, I got it earlier
A. the 3 stacks of Confusion go off a lot, and are about 8 seconds long with my second
B. Its not 3 stacks of confusion on interrupt, its 5…Meaning Technobabble becomes a range instant cast 5 stacks of Confusion I can do on people…for 8 stacks total, and it lasts around 15 seconds…
The actual simplest fix would be to remove the “leap finisher” from “heartseeker”. That is the single component that allows unskilled players to thrive with the thief class. Someone running away from you? 22222, Somone chasing you? 22222, Need perma-stealth? 522222, Want to DPS someone without having to worry about positioning or LOS? 22222. Don’t care if they are given buffs in other areas to compensate.
This would probably be the best solution, Ability is to good.
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