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Enjoy

K you’re right, For some reason I was think 44 was the bleeds, and i’m not really sure why rofl

I’ll log in and test it again, But i wasn’t seeing any damage on mobs, only the bleeds.

Anyone ever notice that the ability only applies the bleed…the actual damage of the weapon doesn’t work..

Mine says 195×5 for example.. It doesn’t do that.

Axe’s number 2 Skill, Splitblade only applies Bleeds, It says each axe also hits for a Certain Damage number but it doesn’t actually do damage.

Dardamaniac.1295:

Hi guys..Im a Ranger too and i have found at last the build that fits my playstyle.
Its the BM,with boosted Healing+Vitality+Power.I found it so funny when my precious Jaguar crits for 5k and i m supporting him/her…(actually its “her” ,ive seen her raising her tale infront of me many times).
So i found the right skill,the right elite and here comes weapons.
At first i was longbow/shortbow..I dont use long bow for the dmg and i never stand at full range so i dont have any particular problem with it.
Only that its not good at aoe groups
So heres comes the Shortbow nice dmg,i really like the combo Lynx Leap with the 4 skill but still its a weapon with many cond dmg on it and in aoe groups its more weak than longbow.
I desperatly wanted a aoe weapon than can support my pet.
Axe?nah. Greatsword?nah. Warhorn?sure. Sword? very good,autoattack that stack might to my pet..and a good aoe.
So i picked a exotic sword and go to the first dungeon expl that i found.
Guys thats laughable…I cant understand why they let such a weapon to be existing…I cant understand what they were thinking when they made it.
I was almost all the time downed cause i couldnt dodge roll,i mean i couldnt play with this…how in the name of god can the testers?So clunky,so fail animation..How i can stay in meele range with this?I cant play my favorite build cause of this
FIX IT YESTERDAY

Sorry for long post

Since you’re power based, You’re probably better off with Axe/Warhorn, with Longbow or shortbow.

You can do Sword/Warhorn I suppose, but you’re going to have to turn off the Auto Attack and just spam when you need it.

Yea only pops in combat, your pet actually has to be hitting the target

Dahkeus.8243:

masztipapa.7519:

Dahkeus.8243:

Yea, you’re a kitten good player and it shows in these videos, but the damage from Pain Inverter is just stupid, especially for a racial ability.

Hes full condition dmg based, the dmg is normal! Actually confusion dmg is based on the target and not the caster, people tend to forget about it and spam like crazy killin themselves. A simple conditon removal or wait for the 5 seconds and its dmg is 0.

Yea, but no one is going to expect 3 stacks of confusion and retaliation from a ranger, especially since this is something that can only happen in WvW.

Not only that, Who’s going to be watching for it as a ball of death is right in your face flipping around ;o)

ski.4927:

I wish this thread wouldn’t have been called “melee Ranger WvW” but instead “Asura WvW”. While the OP playsa a similar set-up to me, I am a Norn. All of the quick kills and pure ownage in this video is from Pain inverter. There are a few times when a swift clean kill is not a result of Pain inverter, but of a clearly low level player.

No disrespect to the OP, I love it. It makes me want to go home, log in, and head out to WvW on my melee ranger. However, this video makes me sad that the strongest (and clearly OP) ability in your arsenal is an Asura racial….

oh it clearly is the strongest ability in my arsenal. Hell it’s fly out better then pretty much everyone of the Ranger Abilities.

You looks at other Condition Based classes like Engineer/Necro/Mesmer and they don’t run it because they have far better abilities they can run. I mean you don’t even have to invest in the actual abilities in their line to make them “good”

Rangers on the other hand, if I want to use Traps, I’m forced into investing 30 points into Skirmish line..flat out..

Spirits are out of the question, Even if they didn’t suck, you’d be forced into the Nature Line

Pet Shouts are awful, I’m actually hoping they may improve them enough to take the place of Pain Inverter

Signets are about the only thing I could run otherwise….

As for Quick kills, I actually put out fairly quick damage even without pain inverter, the First and Second Fights are examples of that, They survive Pain Inverters initial hits, and then pop out of stealth only to have me burn them down extremely fast.

I’m currently working on getting video’s for Volume 2 of this.

I’ve managed to get just 4 so far…

I’m either getting Zerged down (happens more often) or someone on my side Aj’s my fights (which annoys the piss out of me)

Forzani.2584:

Any thoughts on Oakheart vs Bark Skin …both good, neither or one of them ?

Both are good, I’d use them if I could fit them in my build.

Empathetic bond strumps both of them.

You could make the Argument of getting oakheart over offhand mastery…..but that’d be a real hard sell for me..Maybe if you used Great Sword instead…. I could see picking it up.

Healing Gear
Natural Healing -Player 142/Pet – 125
Regen – 307 Player
Signet – Player 147/Pet -459

DPS Gear
Natural Healing – Pet 125/Player 142 (Healing doesn’t effect this, However Compassion Training Does, it’ll kick in and increase the player heal to 181)
Signet – Pet 200/Player – 86 (Healing Gear Doubles this almost) Compassion Training Doesn’t effect this.
Regen – 180

so to get the most out of it, use Compassion Training in your first slot, and wear healing gear.

edit

Some more testing

Nature’s Lines Regen at 5 Points has got a 30 Second Internal Cooldown, and last 7 seconds with the 33% regen tactic (I should probably check to see if that even works)

Anyway, Other interesting thing, It auto procs once you’re below 75% life, you don’t have to go above then back below, If you’re under 75% life, it will proc automatically.

edit

33% Regen tactic adds 2 seconds to that regen So it does actually work.

Give me a second, and i’ll tell you the exact values of healing gear vs non healing gear

The Regen you get from Nature’s line is around 10 Seconds long If I recall, it doesn’t have a cooldown either..If you go below 75% life, and then come back above 75%, then drop again, It will add to the duration of Regen.

Signet and Nature’s Healing from Beastmastery are healing me for around 150 Each with 1200+ Healing Power.

So 300 HP regen going at all times, with the one that procs below 75% that stacks with them, so 600+ at that point.

matenji.3809:

How viable is this build in open pve and dungeons? Thanks for your reply.

Open PVE it runs just fine… You’ll murder stacks of mobs quite easily with it

Only thing I change in Dungeons is Vigor on Heal (Soften the Fall) and using Healing Spring Instead.

masztipapa.7519:

Dahkeus.8243:

Yea, you’re a kitten good player and it shows in these videos, but the damage from Pain Inverter is just stupid, especially for a racial ability.

Hes full condition dmg based, the dmg is normal! Actually confusion dmg is based on the target and not the caster, people tend to forget about it and spam like crazy killin themselves. A simple conditon removal or wait for the 5 seconds and its dmg is 0.

Yeap…I played a Dominator in Rift as well, so I know the power of those abilities on spammers ;o)

Mjk.7562:

Yup, rangers are completly worthless, always when i see one regardless class i am playing (currently have only 80war, 80 thi , 80 mes and poor 41 rannger – abandoned), it is easy kill :P ranger was my first toon and it is quite good pve (double bear tank). Problem is wvw/spvp/tpvp it is rubish. I was expecting big buffs for that class but nothing so far:/ They deserve really major update. All other classes have their own use, but if you ask me, i would create group of only thieves:D It’s awesome when playing in group if skilled thieves-3-6.

xPraks.5096:

Uploaded a second PvP video with some of the videos i had left but couldn’t include in the first video. I know, a bit too soon, but since I had enough clips though to go ahead.

Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LVZPGjdMfI

Link to the first one for anyone who missed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LVZPGjdMfI

My build for anyone interested: http://tinyurl.com/cfg3wo7

My gear: I’m using armor with Power/Precision/Condition Damage Stats. I use the Crest of the Rabid on all my armor pieces (20 Condition Damage/14 Precision/+14 Toughness) and Power/Vitality/Condition Damage Jewels. My weapon is Power/Precision/Condition Damage with Superior Sigil of Agony for 5% increase in bleeding duration.

Link is messed up for your new video, For those watching just go and check is two video’s out, you can select it under this link.

That last fight great, Sucks you got AJed in the end from those people..I hate that…they ruin what is a great come back video.. (You would of won that probably)

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His actual second video.

Psychrome, How often are you swapping pets with your build?

For rangers out there curious, Unless you don’t swap pets out (as in you use Masters Bond) don’t pick up Commanding Voice

If you’re swapping every 15 seconds, Your pets skills are automatically reset after each pet swap…So by swapping pets you have 15 Second Cooldown on all your abilities.

Meaning Lowering the timer on a 45 second fear is useless or a 25 second Regen. It won’t go below 15 Seconds.

Now me personally, I use Masters Bond in my first talent tree because i’m super lazy and don’t feel like changing to it everytime I want to PVE.

However the best talents for pet swaps is probably going to be Compassion Training (Slight increase on the Fern hounds Regen if you use that), Mighty Swap (It’s extra damage, not much but, It’s alright) and Shout Mastery (if you use shouts)

other Talents are useless for Pet Swapping (Speed Training might be alright, but it gives such a low amount it’s just not really worth using, if it was like 25-30% yea..)

Dahkeus.8243:

Yea, you’re a kitten good player and it shows in these videos, but the damage from Pain Inverter is just stupid, especially for a racial ability.

Confusion is nasty in this game ;o)

Maniac.5163:

Xsorus.2507:

Now a Solid Bunker Elementalist with Condition Removal would probably crap on me though.

I think they do that to everyone.
Appreciate your replies, thanks for the video and info – you’re doing a great thing for all rangers by helping out. I’ve shared it with a lot of shocked rangers who had pretty much given up on the prof.

Inc Asura Ranger Rerolls rofl

Littlefeather.8623:

Im making a melee ranger, I hear alot of people complain about ranger this, ranger that. People must think outside the box to be competitive.

Look at the D/D Ele, yea in light armor but can solo even a guardian sometimes.

GJ, I was hoping you wouldnt share your build though tbh, I wanted to make a melee ranger to not be cookie cutter. But thanks for video anyway.

lol..i doubt it’d end up cookie cutter, few people are going to reroll asura ranger just for it

though I guess that would suck..lol

blurps.2340:

If you’re an Asura Engineer, you even get an AoE version of Pain Inverter as the toolbelt skill of Technobabble.

Yea i know…Asura Engineer with a Build like mine would be amazing fun..I’d thought about leveling one but I thought..“Why bother..I already have that toon”

But ya..I think Asura Engineer would work great with a setup like this.

Maniac.5163:

Awesome choice of music. Love Prodigy and SOAD.
Enjoyed the vid however it illustrates how imbalanced the Pain Inverter racial is compared to pretty much every other lackluster racial skill.
The evade build is such a troll build, IMHO a death blossom thief always does it better
I’d like to see how you fare against a good necro or mesmer. What is your passive condition removal?

EDIT: I also noticed you switched your heal from Troll Unguent to Heal as One after a little bit of the video. Do you bounce between them or generally stick with HaO?

I actually crap on Necro’s pretty badly…..Most seem to think “He’ll throw your conditions back on ya” but that ability has a long cooldown….Empathic Bond on my pet goes off every 10 seconds….So long as i’m next to my pet fighting.. conditions aren’t so bad… Then you factor in i’m running 2 Health Regens + Plus the 3rd one that pops when I reach 75%…

I switched to test it out…This was my 3rd run as this build and I decided to see how well that heal did..I’d already done Healing Spring (I like it.. but it’s kind of prohibitive)

HAO is healing for I think 7700 with this build..which is actually pretty nice.

As for Mesmer, it’s hit and miss….Some Mesmer’s i just absolutely take a dump on..Some Mesmer’s give me a run for my money.. and some will beat me, but it’s like us both downing one another type win. I’ve never had one just absolutely crush me where i stood no chance.

Now a Solid Bunker Elementalist with Condition Removal would probably crap on me though.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mzozcVM9MmgaVoohngo9MxaxzkqcMab8khd7kiO7khd7kiO7070z7kGW70V7ow370m

Figured since this is the WvW forum i’d post this here for others to watch.

Sarlack.4096:

That was a fun watch, makes me think I am doing it the hard way with LB/SB lol

Look forward to more!

I actually enjoyed your video, Because you used Longbow very effectively in it.

1. So I have a “Snare” on each weapon set. Second reason is so I have both dodges on 1 weapon set for “Oh kitten” moments. Hornet sting I usually end up using just for evading back and not for really charging forward as well.

2. Superior Sigil of Geomancy, applies a PBAE bleed everytime you weapon swap..Adds up very quickly.

3. http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mzozcVM9MmgaVoohngo9MxaxzkqcMab8khd7kiO7khd7kiO7070z7kGW70V7ow370m

I use the new Apothecary Armor in this video. 1900+ Toughness, 1300+ Healing Power, 1200+ Condition Damage

4. It’s a large amount of Burst, Some people I don’t need it on… Thieves though melt pretty hard with it.. if I didn’t have it i’d probably just using Sharpening Stone though. More Bleeds the merrier.

5. Apothecary (Healing Power/Toughness/Condition Damage), Undead Rune.

Pain Inverter Volume 1

First video, going to try and do more.

Pherenice.8124:

Disable gear stats in WvW and make it like sPvP before half the WvW population drops GW2.
Or bring on on par Gear with the new Dungeons bought with Karma / badges.

Not doing anything within the upcomming days will be devestating to the WvW community.
Think its safe to say that something needs to be done a s a p before stuff get out of hands, it already is if you look at the discussions.

No..some of us don’t want gear dumbed down in WvW cause bads think they’re losing cause of "stats’ and not because of Class Imbalance or flat out terrible builds and gameplay.

You can have 15% Bonus to Health and 150 to all stats… and if you’re terrible, you’ll still lose 1v1… I know.. Because I wrecked baddies all day in World vs World even when they had the Orbs.

This is great, till you realize you could farm Shelks underwater which don’t stealth and you can 3 shot…to get the exact same thing..

Agadar.4931:

Xsorus.2507:

Agadar.4931:

Xsorus.2507:

Mishtif.9517:

lol, I enjoy my Ranger to a point. If the issues with them get resolved I think they’ll be a lot more fun. I like to PvP more but have done some lvl’n with the ranger. In PvE they do “meh ok” but every other class I have played can do it better. If you want Ranger or Thief I got a video ya can check below. I’ve gotten some heat from it but I think you can get an idea of what the thief can do. Check my other videos for what Ranger can do as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZMl4S4C7Sk

https://www.youtube.com/user/Needeles

I see a ranger using a shortbow (bad weapon) with Traps and no Stun Break or Condition Removal getting owned by a Thief.

While he indeed has neither of those, you cannot refute the fact that the thief is literally doing ten times as much damage than a ranger could ever even conceive of doing.

As for the shortbow, it’s a bad weapon, but it’s the most viable PvP weapon we have, especially against thieves. Going melee against them is suicide, the longbow has only one CC, and the axe has none no matter what off-hand you use.

Thief is doing more because he’s burst spec, This guy isn’t… as for shortbow.. it’s one of the worst weapons in the game, and it’s awful for fighting thieves, and going melee vs a thief isn’t suicide, you just can’t build like a fool and expect to win even vs bad thieves. I melee down thieves all day long….it’s not hard.. Sword/Dagger learn to properly play and profit.

Even if the ranger were also burst spec, the thief would still be outbursting him by miles.

Shortbow is probably the best weapon we have against thieves. A backwards evade, a daze, and a cripple are incredibly valuable. What else do we have? Axe, which can only chill? Longbow, with its single knock-back?

While I’ve theorized about the sword/dagger approach, it’s currently buggy at best due to the rooting ‘feature’. But even if it did not root you in place, that weapon combo would only be good against thieves really. You won’t be able to down a warrior or guardian with it in melee, and you don’t have a single quick gap closer to get to your enemy, unless you equip a greatsword, leaving you with no ranged weaponry.

The only Moderately good bursting spec we have is Birds and popping a bunch of cooldowns.. ..It’s similar to Thieves, but it requires a pet who’s not moronic…

As for weapons..

Axe is a Chill+Weakness, two debuff’s that absolutely crap on thieves… the Chill guts any leaping ability they have, and Weakness crap’s on their damage…

Sword/Dagger is the other weapon combo.. It craps on those heavy burst classes because it has a Cripple,Leap Back,2 Evades…By the way, Evades can be used while you’re immobilized…So Warrior hits you with his.. and then goes for 100b’s..just dodge with those two abilities and you’ll completely ignore his damage.. ..Bout the only time I die to a warrior is if i’m getting zerged by like 5 people..1v1.. I eat them alive..

Also..I swear…The only Rooting Feature people whine about…Sword isn’t like Shortbow..You don’t spam your main attack unless you’re chasing someone…Turn off auto attack with your sword…Don’t spam it…If you’re going to spam something..Spam Axe number 1 key… If you’re doing Axe/Torch and Sword/Dagger you should be following the rotation that I said..Over and Over again…

Here is the Rotation

put Sigil of Geomancy on both Weapon Sets – Condition Based Gear

(open with Ricochet if it’s a Guardian)
Winter’s Bite – Torch Throw – Bonfire (While on top of the target) – SplitBlade (so all 5 hits land) Weapon Swap (Sets of Sigil of Geomancy) – Crippling Talon (You’re now at 11 Stacks of Bleed, Have Chill/Weakness/Burn on the target) – Stalkers Strike – Serpents Strike – Weapon Swap (If it’s not up yet Do Hornet Sting, and charge back, then weapon swap) Repeat Chain.

Against Thieves at the start of the fight, soon as they vanish.. just start dodging.. because they’re most likely teleporting and trying to hit you….If you can open with the chain above.. Good.. I’m an Asura Ranger so in world vs world.. i open with Pain Inverter before everything while dodging.. this will kill most thieves…. But the Chain i linked above is easy to do…. and will kill targets.. You might have to change it slightly when dealing with certain situation.. but if you stick with it.. You will do very well.

Agadar.4931:

Xsorus.2507:

Mishtif.9517:

lol, I enjoy my Ranger to a point. If the issues with them get resolved I think they’ll be a lot more fun. I like to PvP more but have done some lvl’n with the ranger. In PvE they do “meh ok” but every other class I have played can do it better. If you want Ranger or Thief I got a video ya can check below. I’ve gotten some heat from it but I think you can get an idea of what the thief can do. Check my other videos for what Ranger can do as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZMl4S4C7Sk

https://www.youtube.com/user/Needeles

I see a ranger using a shortbow (bad weapon) with Traps and no Stun Break or Condition Removal getting owned by a Thief.

While he indeed has neither of those, you cannot refute the fact that the thief is literally doing ten times as much damage than a ranger could ever even conceive of doing.

As for the shortbow, it’s a bad weapon, but it’s the most viable PvP weapon we have, especially against thieves. Going melee against them is suicide, the longbow has only one CC, and the axe has none no matter what off-hand you use.

Thief is doing more because he’s burst spec, This guy isn’t… as for shortbow.. it’s one of the worst weapons in the game, and it’s awful for fighting thieves, and going melee vs a thief isn’t suicide, you just can’t build like a fool and expect to win even vs bad thieves. I melee down thieves all day long….it’s not hard.. Sword/Dagger learn to properly play and profit.

Mishtif.9517:

lol, I enjoy my Ranger to a point. If the issues with them get resolved I think they’ll be a lot more fun. I like to PvP more but have done some lvl’n with the ranger. In PvE they do “meh ok” but every other class I have played can do it better. If you want Ranger or Thief I got a video ya can check below. I’ve gotten some heat from it but I think you can get an idea of what the thief can do. Check my other videos for what Ranger can do as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZMl4S4C7Sk

https://www.youtube.com/user/Needeles

I see a ranger using a shortbow (bad weapon) with Traps and no Stun Break or Condition Removal getting owned by a Thief.

Rauphz.2869:

Rizzo.2153:

Bleed/burn condition build can be very strong with traps.

You will need 30 pts in Skirmishing (precision/crit dmg total useless for build cond), with 900 range traps.
Try it in WvW. Before you think spam traps, you are dead.
In DG, it’s ok, but no. Bleed have 25cap, and other player with cond build (like necro), will stack very fast. So, your damage is summarized by burn/poison, power, and pet dmg (but no, pet will be dead 70% of the time).
So, no. Ranger is not DPS. And bad support (Ele, Guardian, Mesmer, Eng are best by far).

If you’re an Asura Ranger, World vs World is extremely easy to kitten people cause of Pain inverter with Condition ranger builds.

Jubei.5923:

Rizzo.2153:

Bleed/burn condition build can be very strong with traps.

This.

I’ve had to revamp my ranger with Cond Dmg/Precision/Toughness gear with Cond Dmg/Precision/Vitality accessories to make it viable because you will be fairly close-range when attacking, so survivability is paramount. I’ve stacked runes of the undead for extra condition damage and toughness on all armor pieces.

I use an Axe/Torch for the fire combo primarily and spam spike trap and flame trap. Skills spec’d 0/30/30/0/10, all in trap traits.

I use sword/warhorn as the alt for the warhorn buffs, what’s good is that I use superior sigils of hydromancy on one of the two weapons, including the alt weapon. When I swap to either of them, it freezes nearby enemies for 3 seconds. I’m finding the sword a little hard to get used to because of the rooting bug you get with Skill #1, so I might need to swap it for another axe. If the shortbow caused bleeding from all directions, I’d use this instead. Unfortunately it doesn’t.

Oh, and a lot of pro-active dodging is required. I’m still practising this build but I’m confident I can be of some use to a team once I master it.

The Freeze from Hydromancy is nice, but if you’re not completely opposed to getting rid of it, I recommend something else.

Do Axe/Torch and Sword/Dagger. Put Sigil of Geomancy on both Weapons….

Open with Torch Throw, Or Winters Grasp (unless Guardian, use Number 1 Attack) I prefer Torch Throw as it gets my pet on its way to the target and then I do Winter’s Grasp. Follow up with bonfire ontop of the target, then Do Number 2 Axe ability, This is a 5 Stack of Bleeds point blank, Switch to Sword/Dagger, this applies 3 Stacks of Bleeds from Geomancy, bringing it to 8 stacks of bleeds, Followed by Dagger 5, which is 3 STacks, So 11 Stacks of Bleed can be applied to the Target Extremely fast.. and on a very low low cooldown. If you’re using Traps you can apply even more very quickly along with of course Burning or Freezing (your choice)

That’s my rotation for both my SPvP build and WvW build.

So I just went ahead and made the armor and bought the weapons/jewelery to test it out.

Man…This gear set is hilarious for my build. 1v1 Nothing could really touch me, I mean.. before stuff had trouble fighting me.. but the amount of health i get back constantly + the toughness at this point is just silly. It takes 2v1 and 3v1’s To really bring me down now.. My Personal Favorite was fighting a Guardian/Ranger Duo…Crapping on the ShortBow using Archer, then turning around and watching the Guardian unable to bring me below 75% of my life… ..before killing them, and they were 80’s.

Thief/Guardian duo fared about the same as well…The Thief ran after I killed the Guardian, but I /laughed at him and came back to try his look solo and was dead in a few seconds… ..Course that’s how it was with my previous armor as well….This just gives me more survivability in the fight.

Angela Ranna.5638:

As above – unless you spec entirely for healing power and regen time the return on point investment is pretty awful. So unless you have a very specific reason for doing it (healing spring spam for a camp trolling group in WvW comes to mind) you’ll often get way more out of some toughness, Companion’s Defense, or Bark Skin.

A. I run a 30 wilderness/30 beast build right now anyway.. so I spec for it automatically.
B. The gear has Toughness on it, and Empathetic Bond is better then Bark Skin.
C. The way my build works is using Asura Racial + With lots of Conditions while my Pet does the Burst Damage. Healing Power would just make me more annoying to fight.

Division.9618:

Xsorus.2507:

B. Shortbow is awful..and i’m not saying Longbow is the greatest weapon either, I’m saying Shortbow is awful and longbow is better then it. Shortbow’s Auto Attack can hit like rapid fire all it wants, It’s still an awful weapon (By the way, Rapid Fire at least still gets the benefit of QZ unlike Shortbow) The Knockback alone is better then most of the Abilities in Shortbow, Auto-attack is superior to Shortbow as well when dealing with World vs World…. I mean if you really want to use bow.. and i mean if you really really want to..You’re pretty much like I said going to be humping zergs with a PowerCrit Build and using Longbow….If i was going to do any sort of SPvP, I wouldn’t touch either bow with a 10 foot poll because they’re both crap compared to our other weapons. Shortbow simply isn’t anywhere near our best weapon…It’s our worst. The only time it was ever remotely useful was when QZ made it fire a billion times a second.

Shortbow still gets the benefits of rapid fire. It just gets about 14% less benefit than it did before the 40 ms nerf.

Longbow autoattack only does better damage than shortbow autoattack at max range when the target is looking right at you. Once you get close it becomes pathetically bad. Even at long range it isn’t good because long ranged attacks in general can miss if the enemy isn’t standing still.

Shortbow is probably the best weapon to use in sPVP, and you saying it’s horrible compared to our weapons is so wrong i wonder if you even set foot in the sPVP mists before. Compared to our sword that constantly roots us in place, the axe that does meh damage in general and is really bad for 1v1, and the greatsword that does horrible damage and only works as a sub-par tanking weapon and for running away, the shortbow is downright amazing.

Not only does its basic attack outdamage the longbow 9/10 times, it also gives far better mobility, a quick snare, a evasive attack for kiting, quick access to poison to reduce healing, and an interrupt that comes out quickly and can actually interrupt things unlike the longbow knockback.

The only advantage longbow has is range.

A. It gets the benefit, but it’s so small it’s just not worth wasting a Utility Slot on QZ, you’re better off Swapping pets and getting the benefit from it (Which actually does work on Shortbow like the old QZ)

B. Like I said, Longbow you’re going to Hug the Zerg and Pop people with it, With Full Crit Gear I can hit people with longbow for 3500-4000 damage with my Auto Attack. Solo, It’s awful… but so is Shortbow.. so yea. It’s the best of a bad situation….and Barrage = Win though with Crit Build in WvW.

C. If you’ve not figured out how to turn off Auto Attack on your Ranger 1 handed Sword yet then i don’t know if i can help you, but i can tell you this, Don’t spam 1 handed sword, The only time you’re going to be spamming it is when you’re chasing someone and you swap pets, It’s good then for the cripple… It is not an Attack Spam Weapon, You’re basically using it for the Dodge mostly. Sword/Dagger = 2 Dodges (3 If you use the Leap Back somewhat) A Good Solid Bleed + Cripple, and 20+ seconds of Poison that you can apply to the target.

Axe Is equally amazing Weapon for 1v1, Not only do you have a solid bounce attack for getting rid of clones, you have the Cone attack that if you play properly can apply 5 stacks of bleeds instantly. The 3rd Attack is a Chill+Weakness as well, Making it absolutely amazing for 1v1 Fights. It simply out does Shortbow any day of the week in a 1v1. Offhand, it’s your choice, Horn (Which can replace dagger but I like dagger a lot) Or Torch, I prefer Torch personally because Throw Torch is brutal damage wise. If you’re going to be spamming any attack, It will be the Axe Bounce, Otherwise you should be swapping weapons as much as possible reapplying conditions to the target.

Shortbow is just an awful weapon like I said, Once you master a melee ranger you’ll never use that crap weapon again.

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Xsorus.2507:

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Xsorus.2507:

Winch.2657:

As you have said, we are like free kills for everyone, except those who have been playing for 2 days. Ranger isn’t about playing how you want to play, it’s cold math. Shortbow and axe for us, nothing else. And I for one, am not really into these weapons. Axe-throwing is lame, and not satisfying, shortbow is like button 1 spam, and we can’t even kite around with it, cuz of relatively slow recharges (Crippling shot causes 3secs of Cripple and has 12 s CD) The other weapons are next to useless. especially in pvp.
Spirit’s die in 3 hits, our signets are almost worthless if not traited to affect us aswell.

It’s been more than 2 months since the game was released, and rangers got nothing except a nerf to shortbows, and buff to harpoon guns (YAY). warriors get buffed in every patch, why?!

A. We’re not free kills to anyone if you pick the right build. In fact i win 90% of the one vs ones I get into.

B. Shortbow is one of the worst weapons in this game, Why people still insist on using it I’ll never know. It does low damage, and it’s utility is crap, and It uses up two Weapon Slots. Sword/Dagger = Far Great Weapon Combo then Shortbow…. If you say “I won’t be able to range people down” I’ll say..You can’t do that against anyone competent anyway with Shortbow…If you want to range people..You’re pretty much going to be forced into a Berserker Set with Longbow and Zerg Surf.. and you simply won’t use it in SPvP as it blows.

A. No we arent free kills, but there is no right build. Ranger has no viable pvp builds, spvp doesnt matter, 1v1 doesnt matter, sure evasion tank can kill most people 1v1, but in a group fight its fairly useless.

B. Thinking shortbow is one of the worst weapons in game pretty much ruined your credibility. Its one of rangers best weapons, while not being one of the best weapons in game its far from the worst, longbow is much worse. Reasons, shortbows auto attack hits as hard as rapid fire, think of it as a perma rapid fire with a bit slower attack. It gets a cripple, an evade, a stun/daze, and a pet bleed which is kinda useless, the only thing LB has on shortbow is barrage, and its cd sucks. Longbow is far too easy to counter, that gives shortbow an edge.

A. We have Traps build in SPvP, Some power builds work alright, Mostly using Bird Pets to Burst someone.. but it’s basically Traps and more Traps… Those do fairly good in SPvP because people fight on points, it’s useless in World vs World though.

B. Shortbow is awful..and i’m not saying Longbow is the greatest weapon either, I’m saying Shortbow is awful and longbow is better then it. Shortbow’s Auto Attack can hit like rapid fire all it wants, It’s still an awful weapon (By the way, Rapid Fire at least still gets the benefit of QZ unlike Shortbow) The Knockback alone is better then most of the Abilities in Shortbow, Auto-attack is superior to Shortbow as well when dealing with World vs World…. I mean if you really want to use bow.. and i mean if you really really want to..You’re pretty much like I said going to be humping zergs with a PowerCrit Build and using Longbow….If i was going to do any sort of SPvP, I wouldn’t touch either bow with a 10 foot poll because they’re both crap compared to our other weapons. Shortbow simply isn’t anywhere near our best weapon…It’s our worst. The only time it was ever remotely useful was when QZ made it fire a billion times a second.

Ah you are speaking WvW, k well I cant comment on them since Im gonna finish lvling my ranger before going hardcore wvw but in spvp, and pve longbow is inferior for many reasons. In WvW Im sure longbow is better, it has better reach and aoe, and long ranged shot. In spvp and tpvp and pve shortbow is better than longbow in every way, but you are right, both bows suck big ems. I just hope ranger buffs come sooner than later, idk if Ive got it in me to wait a fricken month for another small kitten minor and almost useless set of buffs.

Shortbow is better for PVE, You can’t take advantage of the range really on Longbow. SPvP like i said, i wouldn’t touch either… If you had to use one, you’d use Shortbow. World vs World, If you’re going to do either, you’re going to use Crit build with Longbow.

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Xsorus.2507:

Winch.2657:

As you have said, we are like free kills for everyone, except those who have been playing for 2 days. Ranger isn’t about playing how you want to play, it’s cold math. Shortbow and axe for us, nothing else. And I for one, am not really into these weapons. Axe-throwing is lame, and not satisfying, shortbow is like button 1 spam, and we can’t even kite around with it, cuz of relatively slow recharges (Crippling shot causes 3secs of Cripple and has 12 s CD) The other weapons are next to useless. especially in pvp.
Spirit’s die in 3 hits, our signets are almost worthless if not traited to affect us aswell.

It’s been more than 2 months since the game was released, and rangers got nothing except a nerf to shortbows, and buff to harpoon guns (YAY). warriors get buffed in every patch, why?!

A. We’re not free kills to anyone if you pick the right build. In fact i win 90% of the one vs ones I get into.

B. Shortbow is one of the worst weapons in this game, Why people still insist on using it I’ll never know. It does low damage, and it’s utility is crap, and It uses up two Weapon Slots. Sword/Dagger = Far Great Weapon Combo then Shortbow…. If you say “I won’t be able to range people down” I’ll say..You can’t do that against anyone competent anyway with Shortbow…If you want to range people..You’re pretty much going to be forced into a Berserker Set with Longbow and Zerg Surf.. and you simply won’t use it in SPvP as it blows.

A. No we arent free kills, but there is no right build. Ranger has no viable pvp builds, spvp doesnt matter, 1v1 doesnt matter, sure evasion tank can kill most people 1v1, but in a group fight its fairly useless.

B. Thinking shortbow is one of the worst weapons in game pretty much ruined your credibility. Its one of rangers best weapons, while not being one of the best weapons in game its far from the worst, longbow is much worse. Reasons, shortbows auto attack hits as hard as rapid fire, think of it as a perma rapid fire with a bit slower attack. It gets a cripple, an evade, a stun/daze, and a pet bleed which is kinda useless, the only thing LB has on shortbow is barrage, and its cd sucks. Longbow is far too easy to counter, that gives shortbow an edge.

A. We have Traps build in SPvP, Some power builds work alright, Mostly using Bird Pets to Burst someone.. but it’s basically Traps and more Traps… Those do fairly good in SPvP because people fight on points, it’s useless in World vs World though.

B. Shortbow is awful..and i’m not saying Longbow is the greatest weapon either, I’m saying Shortbow is awful and longbow is better then it. Shortbow’s Auto Attack can hit like rapid fire all it wants, It’s still an awful weapon (By the way, Rapid Fire at least still gets the benefit of QZ unlike Shortbow) The Knockback alone is better then most of the Abilities in Shortbow, Auto-attack is superior to Shortbow as well when dealing with World vs World…. I mean if you really want to use bow.. and i mean if you really really want to..You’re pretty much like I said going to be humping zergs with a PowerCrit Build and using Longbow….If i was going to do any sort of SPvP, I wouldn’t touch either bow with a 10 foot poll because they’re both crap compared to our other weapons. Shortbow simply isn’t anywhere near our best weapon…It’s our worst. The only time it was ever remotely useful was when QZ made it fire a billion times a second.

Healing Power/Condition Damage/Toughness

I’m Very tempted to get a full set of this, and drop the 10 points I have in Skirmish for 10 Points in Nature’s for the Regen Increase.

My Damage right now is all from my Conditions, so Increasing my Healing power actually might be fairly decent for me.

Seraiea.1298:

Hmm.. Very interesting indeed. I just tested the Lynx on heavy target dummies as well.

Hmm.. Very interesting indeed. I just tested the Lynx on heavy target dummies as well.F2 ability:
- normal hit average 753
- normal crit average 1132 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1131 (150%)

Hmm.. Very interesting indeed. I just tested the Lynx on heavy target dummies as well.F2 ability:
- normal hit average 753
- normal crit average 1132 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1131 (150%)Autoattack:
- normal hit average 620
- normal crit average 928 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1155 (186%)

Hmm.. Very interesting indeed. I just tested the Lynx on heavy target dummies as well.F2 ability:
- normal hit average 753
- normal crit average 1132 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1131 (150%)Autoattack:
- normal hit average 620
- normal crit average 928 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1155 (186%)The same stats for the Raven:

Hmm.. Very interesting indeed. I just tested the Lynx on heavy target dummies as well.F2 ability:
- normal hit average 753
- normal crit average 1132 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1131 (150%)Autoattack:
- normal hit average 620
- normal crit average 928 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1155 (186%)The same stats for the Raven:F2 ability (on light target golems):
- normal hit average 1808
- normal crit average 2663 (147%)
- traited +30% crit average 2690 (149%)

Hmm.. Very interesting indeed. I just tested the Lynx on heavy target dummies as well.F2 ability:
- normal hit average 753
- normal crit average 1132 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1131 (150%)Autoattack:
- normal hit average 620
- normal crit average 928 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1155 (186%)The same stats for the Raven:F2 ability (on light target golems):
- normal hit average 1808
- normal crit average 2663 (147%)
- traited +30% crit average 2690 (149%)Autoattack (on heavy target golems):
- normal hit average 569
- normal crit average 857 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1048 (184%)

Hmm.. Very interesting indeed. I just tested the Lynx on heavy target dummies as well.F2 ability:
- normal hit average 753
- normal crit average 1132 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1131 (150%)Autoattack:
- normal hit average 620
- normal crit average 928 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1155 (186%)The same stats for the Raven:F2 ability (on light target golems):
- normal hit average 1808
- normal crit average 2663 (147%)
- traited +30% crit average 2690 (149%)Autoattack (on heavy target golems):
- normal hit average 569
- normal crit average 857 (150%)
- traited +30% crit average 1048 (184%)So for at least these two pets, the 30% increased crit damage works on autoattack abilities, but NOT on the F2 ability. That’s a kitten shame, to be honest.

Thank you for this test..This is actually very very useful information.

Winch.2657:

As you have said, we are like free kills for everyone, except those who have been playing for 2 days. Ranger isn’t about playing how you want to play, it’s cold math. Shortbow and axe for us, nothing else. And I for one, am not really into these weapons. Axe-throwing is lame, and not satisfying, shortbow is like button 1 spam, and we can’t even kite around with it, cuz of relatively slow recharges (Crippling shot causes 3secs of Cripple and has 12 s CD) The other weapons are next to useless. especially in pvp.
Spirit’s die in 3 hits, our signets are almost worthless if not traited to affect us aswell.

It’s been more than 2 months since the game was released, and rangers got nothing except a nerf to shortbows, and buff to harpoon guns (YAY). warriors get buffed in every patch, why?!

A. We’re not free kills to anyone if you pick the right build. In fact i win 90% of the one vs ones I get into.

B. Shortbow is one of the worst weapons in this game, Why people still insist on using it I’ll never know. It does low damage, and it’s utility is crap, and It uses up two Weapon Slots. Sword/Dagger = Far Great Weapon Combo then Shortbow…. If you say “I won’t be able to range people down” I’ll say..You can’t do that against anyone competent anyway with Shortbow…If you want to range people..You’re pretty much going to be forced into a Berserker Set with Longbow and Zerg Surf.. and you simply won’t use it in SPvP as it blows.

I’ve noticed this..Abilities that normally knock my Cat pets around when they run over them (Elemental Earth Quake ability they use) Doesn’t do that to my bird, They’ll take damage sometimes from the effects…(The Shrooms in TA are a good example, Birds will eat kittenage flying over them, i’ll eat 200+ running through them) But things like CC, they just ignore it when they fly over them..

Ostra.3927:

I left DAoC the moment the item upgrades were released.

I was in a large and top level RvR guild that has 150 members. 90% of us left without buying the expansion and without ever playing DAoC again until they added the legacy servers.

That’s great and all, But the games overall population increased by 25k after TOA was released, and was that way for an ENTIRE year before WoW was released.

TOA didn’t hurt DAOC, WoW did.. along with every MMO that was released at the time.

And if i see another person talk about how “Oh they released Classic servers and a bunch of people started playing again, that proves TOA is bad” I’m going to die of laughter.

Because people came back because they were new servers, That’s it….Everyone Dog piled onto those servers just like they did Mordred and Andred, and just like those two servers…After people got bored, they left those servers Husks of what they once were. That is why merged Classics into Regular Servers, there simply wasn’t enough people playing them to make them useful.

Only reason people cry about TOA items is they lost in a fight, and needed something to blame for being bad at DAOC.

Good thing they added another Drake pet that has 2 abilities broken that it never uses and a condition based F2 that sucks because of long casting time + the pet itself having like 0 Condition Damage.

Vladamire.2049:

nofo.8469:

warmonkey.8013:

nofo.8469:

Rangle.2539:

But all MMO need progression. New tier will give that progression.

Yer there has never been a successful MMO released without progression content, we need new tiers but patience, we need for the majority of people to have at least experienced ascended first.

lmao.

i mean you’re just so wrong i don’t even..

good god, but you’re just so wrong, haha.

keep talking kiddo, i’m sure your exhaustive knowledge of the last 3 years of the gaming market won’t let you down
haha

Really? Please list one.

I am more than willing to be corrected, just provide some substance please.

Dark Age of Camelot. There was no need to grind out raids or dungeons to get gear because everyone was on the same level gearwise. Sure you could do some dungeons but you didn’t need to, it was optional. Then along came this new expansion called Trials of Atlantis, which forced people to get new gear called artifacts and level them to be competitive in RvR (realm versus realm). Well a few months went by and look at that, over half the playerbase had quit.

Only that’s not true… not even remotely.

A. Gear Wise before TOA you had SI, which had raid dungeons in the form of TG for example for Midgard that had superior stats on weapons for example..Things you simply could not craft in the game. The Alb Dungeon had the sword from Apoc that was 6.0 delay for example..Which is still extremely nasty even today. TOA was an upgrade on this no doubt..But to claim that DAOC wasn’t about PVE and gear grinding before TOA is silly…I mean maybe if you were terrible and zerged all day, but for anyone who did anything Solo or 8v8.. you were going to be farming…

B. DAOC didn’t die because of TOA…How do i know this? Because DAOC increased in population by about 25k Subscribers for a total of a year after TOA was released….That’s right.. Subscriber Levels went up…When did Subscriber levels drop? When World of Warcraft came out.. an ENTIRE YEAR LATER…along with guess what..EVERY OTHER MMO..So to blame DAOC’s population drop on TOA is borderline silly…

C. The Beautiful thing about TOA was it opened up the Meta game to different strategies and weakness’s… Before you basically could cap all your stats..After TOA came out, What happened? people starting upping stats and working Artifacts into their builds..Problem is..You can only fit so many artifacts and stats into a build before you end up having to cut somewhere else…What area’s did people cut? 1 Matter Resists 2 Energy Resist 3 Spirit Resist. Guess What people did after that? people started working in Matter/Spirit Weapons into their builds, and using Sun Weapons. It also brought into the game the Age of Actual Caster Groups where before mostly people ran tank groups.

Multi Champion Groups running Battler/Banelord Dumps and destroying you horribly with Multiple Static Tempest Drops…oh look.. Extending/Kiting Now becomes standard in 8v8 to counter this (Instead of the 8v8 fights taking place in one area, Now groups are moving together and extending back constantly making the fight cover long distances… Healers no longer become the primary target’s in fights, but instead the DPS/Tanks who are chasing) This goes on and on throughout the game…Adding more choices to the combat didn’t weaken DAOC..It simply made it better, and opened up more strategy.

Now i can farm Shelks even faster underwater

rofl

As someone who does World vs World pretty much the entire time, I’d like people in this thread who claim to speak for me to stop doing it..You might want World vs World to be like SPvP which is absolutely awful in this game, But i personally would like progression in World vs World just like DAOC and Warhammer Online…