Guild Wars 2

carnivorum.5038:

Downed is just ridiculous. Getting necro downed 3 times in ~30 sec and still he was revived faster than a stomp+1sec

I downed an engineer 2 times just now, Both times he got up because some Random moronic mob joined the fight and died.

maloki.3527:

SPIKE SPIKE SPIKE… And your team is dead against the zerg.

Really think about this before you argue for removing removing Downed state in WvW.

Thats how it is right now, only the people on the zerg you actually down are instantly ressed.

Dual.8953:

Onur.5346:

I seriously dislike downed state in pvp period.

Reasons:
1- it’s nearly impossible to 1v3+ – I would really love to test my skills going up against 5-10 and killing all – now that’s skill.. and this game just doesn’t allow that.

2- In an outnumbered zerg vs double # zerg = double # will always win for obvious reasons – LET ME REZ YoU

It’s just not like any other game in this game, it’s just so annoying not to be able to pick on a group of 5 alone, very ! Aside from 1v1, it’s definitely making the game a non-skill teller – also making this game a cookie-cutter… for below/average players…

/seen lots of WvW vids of classes soloing large groups.
Downed doesn’t give any bigger advantage to the bigger team then they already have. It more rewards players who know how to manage it. Killing an enemy within their own lines doesn’t count for much, but if you make them over extend, that when your kills start to make a difference. In WvW, it’s not numbers that win the day, it’s whoever pushes the other back that is the victor, and it’s completely do able with smaller force if the force aims for tactical advantages.

You seen a lot of classes soloing large groups of people that are either A. Elementalist or B. Thief..

Now ask yourself, why do you see those 2 classes as the ones able to solo large groups of people? Could it be because they have methods of stomping people with extreme ease.

Like I said, it rewards certain classes and punishes others..It rewards larger numbers.

ASP.8093:

Xsorus.2507:

However in 2v1…Its not reasonable..

So, yesterday…

I’m a fairly average WvW thief. I have decent battlefield awareness but I’m not exceptionally skilled by any measure.

A thief and a guardian charge me. The thief tries to Heartseeker newb-spam me and I kill her while evading with Shortbow. The guardian goes to res her. I daze the guardian, then start stomping. In case he’s got CC, I pop Signet of Shadows to blind him when he’s about to come out of daze. The thief ports; I port with her and finish the stomp. I daze the guardian a second time and he runs away to a nearby tower instead of staying to die.

This fight was way, way, way more fun than it would be without downed state. That’s true of 90% of skirmishes I’ve had in WvW.

TL;DR: You can still triumph in 2v1 with superior play, even with downed-state ressing. You just need to save your cooldowns a bit and be aware of what abilities your enemies might bring to the table.

Or you can be a thief , In otherwords, the only reason the Guardian didn’t get the res off…Was because your class, It had nothing to do with skill…It didn’t make the fight more interesting, Your class simply allowed you to counter a crappy mechanic.

If you were another class, Chances are that thief would of gotten ressed and went back to noob spamming Heart Seeker.

fellyn.5083:

Remember in Warhammer Online when your computer had to render hundreds of players in rvr? Yeah…

I’ll take gw2’s culling with playable fps and all the issues it causes over that any day.

That being said Aion actually had a system that handled this really well. They made it so you turned off all the player models besides people for your group and you’d just see the name plates for enemies and other team players. Anet should look into doing something like that.

Warhammer Online had actually handled players quite well, You have to remember the reason Fortress’s Lagged as bad as they did, as the entire server piled into one location…

DAOC was the same way, You would massive slide shows during Relic Raids, however outside of that the lag wasn’t bad, and I could see the enemy coming, They just didn’t instantly pop on the screen which is a 1000 times better then Culling system in this game.

I’d rather lag and know something was coming, then having it magically pop on me.

LOCO.1785:

Yes, let’s remove a core part of combat because it is annoying to some people.

/sarcasm

If the core part of combat was 1 shotting someone..Would you think that shouldn’t be removed because its “annoying” to some people.

Just because its the “core” part of combat in this game, doesn’t make it reasonable..Or frankly any good…

Ekove.4586:

See I like downed states, I do think it’s reasonable in 1v1’s and 2v2’s…and also reasonable in big group fights where team work and getting the dead up is actually a test for awareness. On the other hand…it kind of sucks for anything in the middle. And it definitely makes it hard for people to win against larger teams. Like some classes do have an advantage, like thief invisibility makes stomping much easier. Ele can get a free stomp if they want to waste mistform on it. Every other class with stability also can waste a utility spell for a free stomp, but thieves are the only ones with that big advantage.

So I like it for the most part, it adds a team work element….but it makes fighting outnumbered crappy and hopeless.

When it’s equal numbers yea, it’s reasonable.. 1v1 for Example… Because it most likely won’t save you, only delay your death some…2v2 its somewhat reasonable because 2 people can destroy the person ressing very quickly..

However in 2v1…Its not reasonable..

Down state instantly becomes unmanageable when one side outnumbers the other.

Ravien.4823:

First of all: I don’t think the solution to the zerg problem is going to be found in removing downed state. The solution to zerging is going to be map and objective changes in WvW, giving people a personal and team incentive to send small groups to attack different objectives.

I think the revive speed should be slightly lowered, along with a longer duration downed penalty. Currently, when someone is downed, they get a stacking penalty that reduces their health the next time they are downed, until eventually they pretty much will instantly die. Make this stacking penalty last longer, so someone who keeps gong down and being revived will soon be killed. It seems the down penalty lasts like 20 seconds, make it last 2? minutes.

This would be on the surface subtle changes, but it would punish players who are constantly downed and revived over and over in the same battle, while not changing the downed state itself much.

Other games had hard penalties for Ressing in Combat usually.

I know why it was added to the game, They removed the Trinity, aka..healers/tanks/dps requirement from the game…you’d also need to get rid of “Healers Ressing” also… ..They did this with the Down State, which works perfectly in PVE..

However what works great in PVE is absolutely awful sometimes in PvP.

Now that doesn’t mean I don’t think people should be able to res downed players..that actually takes a while…..However you can down someone in this game and have them instantly up in a second before getting a stomp off.

Natural Healing is based off your Pets Healing Power
Signet of the Wild is based off your Healing Power.

Like I said in the OP, It rewards and punishes certain classes when it comes to the downed state.

It makes Zerg Fighting Much Much harder then it should be…

You already have limits on AOE damage in this game….Which already makes Zergs superior to smaller numbers, Why give them the advantage of Faster Resses and more people to Res period.

This is another case where DAOC was superior in group fights and zerg fights..

You had Rez Sickness in DAOC, plus the fact that you needed to be rebuffed to make yourself somewhat viable in combat as well. Limited number of Ressers as well made it Strategic.

It’s strange a 10+ year old game is still vastly superior in game mechanics then a brand new game.

Korgov.7645:

Xsorus.2507:

I’ve come to that conclusion..all it does is punish/reward certain classes and makes it harder for Smaller Numbers to win a fight against greater odds.

It also is extremely annoying in 1v1’s, I basically have to kill some targets twice just to finally down them as trying to down them the regular way just waste time.

I worked very hard to copy the traits and skills from a forums post and I followed the gearing instructions to the last detail.

But! Now I can only get an enemy player to downed state with my Killshot/Fireball/Backstab. I get no loot because his allies just revive him.

The downed state must be removed. Now!

Change it so that that my burst skill instantly kills my opponent and I get the reward I so clearly deserve.

A. I’m not a Rogue/Warrior/Ele

B. People ask me for my build, not the other way around.

You can run some fairly tanky builds in SPvP and the damage is far less in there as well, so it’s more manageable…

Open World against 2 fairly good players I can still be killed very quickly if I screw up…

The More numbers you have, The faster you can res a team mate, The More numbers you have, the more people you have that are able to res others while the opposing team tries to fight it off…

It rewards frankly skill-less game play of outnumbering your opponent. Now I can see why some people might enjoy it..I personally find it a balancing mistake though… Its like the whole Turtle setup people were running, It rewarded mass zerging and stacking..Which should be instant death against large amounts of AOE….But like most things in GW2, things are kind of backwards to how normal gameplay would be.

I’ve come to that conclusion..all it does is punish/reward certain classes and makes it harder for Smaller Numbers to win a fight against greater odds.

It also is extremely annoying in 1v1’s, I basically have to kill some targets twice just to finally down them as trying to down them the regular way just waste time.

KerriganGR.2736:

Tsubaki.2508:

Let’s see, you are comparing two different classes with unsimilar builds. Hey, I wonder why you think your support warrior is more supportive than your dps ranger.

Gee find me a viable support build for ranger then

Apothecary Gear, Use Healing Spring with Vigor on Heal Talent.

Could technically use Traps also….for more Fields..

Either way, your post makes very little sense.

AlexRD.7914:

Hi,

I’m just looking for input on ways to kill a p/d thief.
If the P/D thief is good, i’ll most likely lose to him in a 1v1, unless he screws up badly or i’m lucky. My biggest problem is how they can cloak and dagger off our pets, letting them escape any situation. Also, as a trapper ranger, another problem i have is how they have no reason to step on my traps, because they kite.

One trick i have is to set the traps where my pet is, so when he needs to cloak and dagger he’ll step on my traps. After that, i’ll immediately switch pets and burst him down and it’s game over. That, is very hard to pull off though, as they have that healing skill and utility skills that gets them invisible.

This thread is dedicated to players sharing their knowledge on how to kill P/D thieves, i figure if we all share what we know, we can build a strategy against them.

Use Spiders

Skyrant Kangaroomouse.7458:

Don’t even bother. There is nothing you can do in WvW.

1. Your damage is a joke and your shots get evaded 90% of the time by people simply circling you.

2. Your pet is a moron and can’t hit the broad side of a barn. Most classes can outrun the pet or kill it very easy.

3. You are useless while attacking a keep. BECAUSE YOU CANT kittenING SHOOT ARROWS UP. While engineer happily throws grenades up.

4. You are useless in defense because as soon as you stand near the edge some thief pulls you down, standing further back you won’t be able to hit anything because you get Obstructed.

5. Your pet is completely useless in defending keeps. ZERO. NOTHING.

6. You get 2 shot by almost every other class. Sometimes even one shot and that;s wearing full toughness set because medium armour is shiat

I almost forgot.

7. You can’t get away or catch up to any other class, they either have more movement speed, are invisible 90% of the time or teleport with skills that have barely any cooldowns compared to our horn which is our ONLY kittenING movement speed.

8. Not enough stun/lock breakers, we have 1, yeah whooping one. We don’t have any stuns either, just one that lasts for 1sec, hahaha, kitten you anet.

1. Bows yes, Melee No, My damage isn’t crap either.

2. My pet can hit targets just fine, Outrunning it depends, with that new Signet up, only like Mesmer and Thief can really manage it.

3. You can shoot arrows up, never had trouble with this…I would recommend Glass Cannon if you’re zerg humping keeps though

4. Don’t stand where you can be pulled down? Damage Wise it’s not terrible, Barrage with Berserker set is a lot of damage.

5. This is pretty much true, You can use it for Protect me if zerg humping, Maybe that Guard Talent could be of use..I don’t zerg hump much anymore so i’ve not really played with it.

6. Not True… I tank pretty good against 1 to 2 targets, After that though I get mowed down usually.

7. Signet is pretty good now, Horn was always a good way to escape fights… I can actually do fairly decently kiting now if I run that Signet.

8. We have 2, One is Lightning Reflexes which is an amazing Stun Breaker, the other is Signer of Renewel which is not bad either (needs signet cooldown reduction though) We also have some of the best condition removal in the game in regards to Empathetic Bond.

In closing, You sound like you just have trouble with the class, Maybe its not for you.. I don’t have most of the troubles you described though.

Panther Chameleon.8465:

I burst out in laughter when you were kiting the scepter guardian. Makes me want to use torch again

I like the run speed, but man.. missing out on that heal does suck…

Included some slightly different abilities in some of the fights in this video.

This has some other abilities besides just Pain Inverter, I switched up certain things, some fights have Sharpening Stones, others have the speed signet instead of Heal Signet.

Anyway Enjoy.

nerva.7940:

anyone putting anything other than Protect Me in their utilities? anyone?

spirits (with extra health trait) still get two-shot, and their entire tree (Nature Magic) is arguably useless.

on a more positive note, thank you for the projectile buff, SoH, and pet attack improvements.

can we look forward to future shout and spirit improvements? these two hunter themes will never, ever see any use in tpvp.

Pretty much

Spirits are still useless, and Shouts are still sad at best, only Protect Me with certain builds is worth anything.

Search and Rescue might be good, but I’d find it hard to fit it in any build you would be running…

Sick Em is still pretty bad, It was fun back in the day with Jag Pets and it 3 shottings but that’s long gone.

Fjandi.2516:

I don’t like cond builds much, but anyway i would defo use 1h sword instead of the axe just for the evasive skills, that weapon is really that amazing.
The 33% regen can be decent but is still not worth it imo.

If you’re using Healing Spring Nature’s Bounty is best, if not Nature’s Protection is better.

I logged in to film some fights to determine if anything could replace my old setup used in the Pain Inverter Films.

Things I established.

1. When using my build i’m pretty much pushed into either using Cats or Birds. I still prefer birds over cats just because the damage is similar but the utility of Birds vastly out paces Cats…5 Seconds of Vigor on Swap is just to bloody good to pass up. Not to mention the constant Swiftness mid fight.

2. If you’re doing a build like mine, You’re pretty much going to be using Lightning Reflexes, you can’t drop it, i tried it.. It didn’t work great, the 11 Seconds of Vigor I get from it is again to good. Plus the added stun break.

3. I switched over to Nature’s Protection a while back after noticing the extra regen tics didn’t really help that much unless you’re using Healing Spring, So that’s a buff to me far as i’m concerned.

4. You don’t need to use Pain inverter in my build, However you pretty much are required to use 1 DPS skill, I don’t care what it is, QZ, Sharpening Stones, a Trap..Have at least 1 ability that does a good source of damage.

5. You can replace The Health Regen Signet in the build I use with the Speed Signet..You do have to kite much more though with this setup… It’d probably work best with Cats (as your birds give Speed mid fight anyway)

All in All I’ve not really changed my build much after the patch, They honestly didn’t do much in regards to our abilities… Sick Em is still pretty awful in my opinion (as you’re relying on your pet to provide the damage of your burst)….Spirits are still pretty crap…So Nothing has really changed there.

I was thinking of trying a Daze Build with Technoblade from Asura’s but decided it wasn’t worth the effort.

NaturalPortman.9562:

Depotboy.6204:

What about spirits?

Still useless.

Yea i’m still wondering why they’ve not touched Spirits, which are obviously the most disappointing thing with Rangers right now, and why an entire Line is basically unused.

Fleet Shadow is in stealth only, from what I understand, it didn’t even work before.

Jason Segel.2908:

xiv.7136:

Jason Segel.2908:

Look, if it was the warrior misses his 100b and is completely useless this whole 100b issue for the spvp(casual players) would be a non-issue. As it stands you can miss 100b and still easily down someone because the cooldown is so low and you can survive long enough as a good warrior to use it multiple times in one life. Where as other classes might be able to kill you in less than 10 seconds if you are a completly bad warrior, and you can kill them in under 2 seconds. I don’t see any place for a skill like that except for killing bunkers. Thieves in spvp usually suck and sometimes really good people use thieves/warriors to glory boost. It’s a press 2 buttons free kill in spvp and it makes casual players quit. I want casual players so we can have paid tournies pop which take forever now. Too many people are quitting because you want the game balanced on the top 10% which alienates the other 90% which isn’t right. You are the minority and like I said, most of the time a warrior can be the best warrior and I will beat them. Well of darkness, and 3 necromancer teleports + 2 fears can beat almost any warrior and I am at 88% games played as necromancer out of 700 ish games. I am not bad and have a 80% win ratio in free tpvp, saving up tickets for awhile.

Next time think out the whole scenario, and don’t limit it to simple things. Get better at macro logic.

I’ve seen a lot of players like you.

In SWTOR, you were the guys asking to nerf operatives. In WoW you were the guys asking to nerf mages. In TSW, you were the guys asking to nerf assault rifles.

You put a lot of hours of gametime in and think that should make you automatically win with whatever squishy spec you play (100blades one-shots you as a necro? are you serious), but you lack twitch ability and assume the game is at fault.

It isn’t.

Actually… Operatives are very weak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PVrCJI7dRU
here is me showing off my insane healing. Here is me getting 72% dmg reduction?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgMeyDVI37E
I rock all operatives, except “Agust” he is the only one I could never beat. stalemate everytime.

""Well of darkness, and 3 necromancer teleports + 2 fears can beat almost any warrior and I am at 88% games played as necromancer out of 700 ish games. I am not bad and have a 80% win ratio in free tpvp, saving up tickets for awhile.""

gg

Merc Healers were good right up until they nerfed them.

Operative Healers were bad right up until they buffed them (which if I recall is the same time they nerfed the Mercs/Sorcs)

Even before the Nerf though as a Pyro Powertech (probably the equiv of a 100B Warrior in this game) I could absolutely explode a Merc Healer with him not being able to do pretty much anything about it.

Bout he only thing he could do is delay it for 12 seconds with Energy Shield up..But he was still dead soon as I decided he was dead.

Most DPS were like that in that game if they were properly played, You either guarded your healer and defended him….Or any DPS who knew what they were doing was going to squash them like Bugs.

However, at a certain point, not even that mattered, When running 4 Pyro Powertech groups you could pretty much 1 Round every class in the game, even though being Healed/Guarded by tanks (you’d also almost instantly kill the person guarding the target as well)

SWTOR had a very unbalanced Heal vs Damage Ratio.

deepwinter.9015:

Nicely done videos, Xsorus! I’m very impressed you use Sword – I even saw you had it on autoattack a few times.

Can’t wait to see more videos after the 12/14 patch!

Yea that actually got me killed one time, I didn’t notice it got turned on, I was rather annoyed that it did and wasn’t sure how it did.

I usually always have it off.

Agadar.4931:

Speaking of video recording programs: what do you use, OP?

lol Fraps with Windows Movie Maker

Silverkung.9127:

Xsorus.2507:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-xrpiINxw

to give you an idea.

0.33
Thife : Elite skill"Alt+F4"such a coward wortless dishonnor trash250stack.
Duration : A whole life of them,Moron…

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On WWW u show how to play awesome and not shame when get kill.
Play brave and fair I like it.
Not like another www “*” showing how am I awesome kill people when stab AFK dude in back.

Sharpening stone is my love skill too My ranger codi not high116 like u just106 per tic.
Dam lighting reflex get struck not dash backward(0.22)

I usually cut out my death’s in my other videos, Though I do save some of them in a folder (I wanna just release a video of me getting smashed lol) Most of my death’s are usually to me just getting out numbered, but I do die in 1v1’s, usually I play badly, and they play pretty good (and in one case I played so badly i frankly deserved that loss).

Durzlla.6295:

Oozo.7856:

Durzlla.6295:

Oozo.7856:

Durzlla.6295:

Actually, the reason Mesmer does so well is because a lot of people that are regular RPG players can’t seem to grasp how to fight them, ALL of my friends who picked up GW2 as their first rpg have no issues finding the real mes and killing it but all my friends who have played WoW and other such games for freaking ever can’t even lay a finger on the real mes… so idk why that is, especially since some of the experience RPG players are better players overall.

No, the real problem is that they can run a build with 4 different stealths and 2 different ports. where almost every utility breaks stun. If a mesmer doesn’t run with this kind of escapability then they don’t know what they are doing. Those are the ones that die. Stealth acts as a target reset.

I don’t run with that much stealth and i kitten and pillage in my 3k armor, so you clearly don’t play mesmer at all…
And btw, if they have 4 stealths that means they have torch, 2 utilities, and an elite set for stealth, therefore they can’t HAVE 2 different ports, and they’d only have 1 stun break, so stop talking out of your kitten

You do realize that a mesmer can weapon swap, right? Torch for one stealth. Two utilities to stealth. Elite to stealth. One utility to port and (what you are forgetting) staff to port.

Decoy stealths you and breaks stun. Blink breaks stun. That’s two stun breakers right there. You can get a third stun breaker with Mirror Images, but would have to give up one of the stealth options (Veil) to do that.

For someone who plays a mesmer, you don’t seem to know much about your own profession.

Well for starters I alt a Mesmer, main a ranger, and I’m more into the condition overload thing that mesmers are good at, I have 2 stealths in my build (mass invis and torch) and then have mirror images, sig of illusion, and 3rd utility switches depending on scenario but is normally either mirror, arcane thievery or mantra of free dazes (idr the name), I didn’t realize you were grouping staff in as a teleport…

@Xsours I know I tested it back in the beta an the enemies couldn’t pick up your foraged items, but that was beta. Haven’t checked recently (going to Friday or Saturday) I can confirm that allies -can- pick up the items which gets REALLY annoying, especially when they waste one of my second heals/3sec invuln or my ethereal field/throw scale!! (Poison cloud as much as I love it isn’t -that- big of a deal if they waste it)

If enemies can’t grab em, and you can stock pile them, then yes Pigs are absolutely the best pet for SPvP Point holding, by far…

You need to make a video of that, It’d actually be a real eye opener for a lot of people.

Durzlla.6295:

Xsorus.2507:

Durzlla.6295:

Ranger bunkers are actually among the most dangerous because they are sturdy AND can kill their attacker, and using a pig + warthog makes it so you have a second heal and can drop a field to essentially tell the enemy to kitten off

Yea, Pigs would be pretty decent for Points i think.

well the only downside to pigs is their F2 requires them to run over and grab it, and at a point they can only go so far, and you can stock pile them, so that makes their downside nonexistent and actually turns it into a plus.

I wasn’t aware you could stock pile them, oh that’s clever..

you’d have to watch make sure enemy doesn’t grab them though.

Durzlla.6295:

Ranger bunkers are actually among the most dangerous because they are sturdy AND can kill their attacker, and using a pig + warthog makes it so you have a second heal and can drop a field to essentially tell the enemy to kitten off

Yea, Pigs would be pretty decent for Points i think.

Durzlla.6295:

Xsorus.2507:

Oozo.7856:

People have to tear you down. You see, when someone does well with a class that they complain about… it says something about them, not you.

I fought a melee based ranger the other day 1v1 and was quite impressed. Very good health regeneration and evasion. It was a solid dueling build. It was a human, so no pain inverter to explain away his success.

I do alright, but just because I do alright doesn’t mean the class doesn’t have trouble.

I mean hell, look at any number of Thief/Mesmer video’s you see of them owning groups…Very rarely do i own a group, most of the time i’m getting smashed pretty hard as I can’t go invisible to take a breather in the middle of the fight.

So i don’t understand why anyone would take offense to my video’s

I do get why some people complain about me using Pain Inverter though, cause i imagine being the other races it’s like a swift kick in the nuts to be so close and yet be so far away.

Actually, the reason Mesmer does so well is because a lot of people that are regular RPG players can’t seem to grasp how to fight them, ALL of my friends who picked up GW2 as their first rpg have no issues finding the real mes and killing it but all my friends who have played WoW and other such games for freaking ever can’t even lay a finger on the real mes… so idk why that is, especially since some of the experience RPG players are better players overall.

PS: look carefully on the mesmer and thief videos, there’s a LOT of clever editing, almost all the people they fight aren’t lv 80, i know there was a few times on my ranger i killed like 10 people at once only to find out half way through that fight that all of them but 1 had the little green arrow by their lv showing they weren’t actually 80.

I try and ignore solo sub 80’s i run across, I’m starting to regret my decision though because they usually come back to AJ me something fierce.

Stormphrax.5798:

I have been using your build for a few days now, as a sylvari and FrostTrap instead of PI, and it’s the most fun and effective build i have played so far with my ranger

Glad ya like it, I really wouldn’t call it my build, I mean.. I guess the Pain inverter part is since very few people thought of it…But everything else a lot of other Rangers thought of as well. Reason i made the video’s in the first place though is because we had a ton of doom and gloom on this board and I didn’t want it to ruin the community.

I’m not saying it’s comparable to any other class, but you can be effective with melee/bunker type builds on Ranger.

By the way, I tested Sick Em, i didn’t like it as much as Sharpening Stone, I can rely on SS pretty good to do damage, Sick Em i have to rely on a pet and hopefully the ability won’t be wasted.

So that’d be my recommendation, though any of the Traps would work also.

Oozo.7856:

People have to tear you down. You see, when someone does well with a class that they complain about… it says something about them, not you.

I fought a melee based ranger the other day 1v1 and was quite impressed. Very good health regeneration and evasion. It was a solid dueling build. It was a human, so no pain inverter to explain away his success.

I do alright, but just because I do alright doesn’t mean the class doesn’t have trouble.

I mean hell, look at any number of Thief/Mesmer video’s you see of them owning groups…Very rarely do i own a group, most of the time i’m getting smashed pretty hard as I can’t go invisible to take a breather in the middle of the fight.

So i don’t understand why anyone would take offense to my video’s

I do get why some people complain about me using Pain Inverter though, cause i imagine being the other races it’s like a swift kick in the nuts to be so close and yet be so far away.

Casey.9687:

gotta love food buffs and the 25 stacks of (x)

Responded on there, but i’ll do it here as well

Most fights I don’t have 25 Stacks

Certain fights in the video I don’t have food stacks (very first one for example)

My other video’s show me without food stacks and 25 stacks

Pain Inverter 1 and 2 were filmed with 80 healing/60 Vit food for example on the fights I had it up

So yea.

Did another video

Pain Inverter Volume 4

For those interested in something besides Pain inverter, I did a short little video this morning (no music or anything) where I basically replace Pain inverter with Sharpening Stones

Sol.4310:

Only problem I see Xsorus is you lack the burst damage now. Seen as your not running PI your missing that sudden burst damage you used to have, need to find a new way adding that damage back in.

Nothing really works right now, I’ll try Sick Em out some to see how much I like it.

Sleepy.2647:

Not really a good example, not to sound like a cliche but…i couldn’t see any decent 80 on that video, maybe one.

Hell, watching the greatsword guardian (and his mate) rooted by entangle trying to move instead of pressing “1” twice to break the vines really hurts my eyes

Your build is quite tanky with good conditions dmg tho.

I’m not going to judge him

I died yesterday for the first time to a ranger cause of that

lol

My bloody sword auto attack got turned on some how and caused me to not be able to kill those kitten vines very fast…I was so embarrassed rofl….Should of just stayed with Axe, but I was curious if the Side Evade would get me out of the Entangle (I was watching the 3rd video, and it seem like I ran directly out of the root)

to give you an idea.

I don’t see the point in rerolling to be honest.

Yes the class is weak right now, but they’ll eventually buff it, and any class you roll that’s Overpowered will be nerfed…That’s the nature of MMO’s

My Valkyrie in DAOC was far worse then the ranger in this game when that class was first released, It was so bad that I came back to the game 6 month’s after the class was released, and rolled it, and proceeded to hit RR5 before everyone else in the game on the Valk, despite everyone having a 6 month head start (also was first RR10 and RR11 on valk in the game as well)

It was absolutely an awful class in every way, and guess what…It got buffed to be massively overpowered and pretty much unkillable 1v1.

Sleepy.2647:

Comparing sharpening stone to PI is a joke tho.
It’s probably the strongest racial skill ingame for PvP with a ridiculous low cooldown.

The main reason why it’s not been nerfed probably is because in sPvP people can’t use racial skills and the majority of people in WvW doesn’t know what PI is or when your enemy cast it…the green smoke should stay for the whole duration making it more obvious.

Didn’t say Sharpening was better then PI (it’s not, by a long shot)

But you can still get by with it if ya don’t have PI.

Granted i didn’t exactly fight the cream of the crop this morning….but against the cream of the crop in pvp they usually stop when I use Pain Inverter (and don’t attack)

Xsorus.2507:

Zgroza Czarnych.6190:

You can win only becose PI nothing more

Probably true

Actually, I’m going to call bullkitten on myself.

I went and tested it this morning, You can change out Pain Inverter with Sharpening Stones.

You’ll still kill fairly fast.

Going to post some video later, It’s only like 1 hour of me playing, so a few fights..and it won’t have music.

Zgroza Czarnych.6190:

You can win only becose PI nothing more

Probably true

Pain Inverter Volume 4

This is last one I’m doing till the next patch

heh, I was no where near a group of friendlies today, Saw a single Warrior running along and figured hey, i’ll go after him, so I start running at him, and all of a sudden 4 of his friends instantly load on my screen.

Culling sucks.. really no way you can make it work without it sucking.

Agadar.4931:

Whatever you do, drop Pain Inverter. We want to see ranger combat, not asura combat.

hehe I have enough footage from today for Pain Inverter Volume 4.

but out of curiosity if I was to replace pain inverter in the build, What would you like me to use as an ability?

Taking Suggestions, I may just do pain inverter 4, then do a new set of movies based off what suggestions people make.

Undertow.2389:

Do a power/precision build (not glass cannon) using the less popular pvp weapons like longbow + greatsword. Something like 20/20/30/0/0 or 20/20/15/0/15.

Was thinking about doing Greatsword + Axe/horn Power/Precision Build.

I think only thing i’d need really is the armor, as I have some jewelry i think i can use.

probably use Berserker’s Jewel’s and then PvP armor stats, which is Power/Toughness/Vit.

I’d probably use something similar to my current build, but with Wolves, and move the 10 points from Nature’s to Skirmish line and pick up crit damage for pet

Drop Pain Inverter, not sure what i’ll replace it with yet.

This will probably be after next patch though, as i’m thinking Speed Signet+lightning reflexes, and i’m hoping the Pet Shouts get improvement to maybe take the place of Pain.