Guild Wars 2

guildabd.6529:

Rozbuska.5263:

Best way how to start fixing gyros is invulnerability. Ofc they still should be interruptable.

+1 make gyros immune to damage and vulnerable to cc.

That would be simply too much and leaving enemies without counterplay. But different resistances would be great, for example:

• bulwark uncrittable
• cleansing gyro immune to conditions
• whirl gyro to have perma stability
• heal gyro to regen himself too
• only the explosive damage gyro should be vulnerable to attacks, yet it needs different buffs, mainly CD lowered to 20 sec after spawn.

so does ours …

Haralin.1473:

Gyros with hitpoints of about 10-15K (you can see it in the Video) will melt in WvW raiding and GvG, as i expected they are useless compared to kits. Hammer is ok.

only bulwark

miriforst.1290:

Cooldown starts after the gyro is destroyed.

wich is a major fail design

The whole CD thing is anyway screwed up for the whole gyro family. The CD need to start after build, not after destroyed.

The hammer 1-5 and the bulwark are good. The rest is absolute garbage.

Function gyro needs to have a long cd or it would be kinda op when you can spam it.
Super speed is most likely gonna become a boon after all, like quickness did.

Those are really the tiniest problems the scrapper has right now :P But yea the traits seem indeed kinda underwhelming too

Renny.6571:

There’s a reason no mesmer takes iDefender in their utility slot.

Only because there is a trait for summoning one now after an evade / block.

iDefender is a great phantasm against the mossman or the arch diviner, when you just dont need anything else but to survive some surprise buttseks

It’s a great skill and so is the Bulwark. The bulwark is in fact much much better since it’s a stronger iDefender combined with a feedback. The bulwark is the only balanced and therefore worth taking gyro we have.

Another thread – I won’t start to list my thoughts over and over again but yea – gyros – are – AWFUL

Azure.8670:

necro has been shunned far harder and worse than the engi can dare claim, and BWE did wonders for reaper, so I have faith

^this – that’s why I do not cry … yet :<

As for PvE I can only say: nty for de baseline :<

What PvE mesmers need right now are:

• phantasms benefit from runes and sigils
• mantra recharge fix (system flaws)

And maybe some QoL changes, like warlock attack, bounces turning into aoes, etc – QoL changes are always the best changes. They don’t buff a class too much, but they feel SOOOO good

Agreed. Getting aggroed in PvE makes this drone literally useless. Could have been such a great skill, but right now – nope, not gonna happen

I heared rabid gear, so no healing power.

You would most likely be spamming the ATTACK button just to get rid of them cuz they die in 15 sec. Also the same problem mesmers have right now with mantras: Using not all of them will keep the skill from going on CD, forcing you to SPAM the skill, mindlessly, or get punished for not doing so.

It’s in my eyes an obvious mistake to not let the CD start when the gyro / mantra is build / charged. And I really really hope DESPRITLY that they finally notice the mistake in this system …

Back to your idea: The counterplay would be almost the same when you produce them faster, but once by once. Just with the difference that with your idea, all 3 die within one aoe :<

Penguin.5197:

Xyonon.3987:

choovanski.5462:

whoever designed this sper clearly does not play engineer. it’s probably the same person who made all of those trash teir traits we have rn.

…and who thought the med kit would be viable like it is now :’D

That one just hurts

Oh I’m not done yet! It’s for sure also the same person who tought it would be a great idea to let the gyro CD start when they died, not when they are built, so kiting an enemy gyro or protecting the healing gyro after its initial heal will greatly increase the overall CD to insane amounts (like 45 for heal gyro, or 40 for blast gyro).

Such smart, much impressed very … not wow :<

Another problem / solution for one or more gyros is that the CD should start when you built them, not when they get killed.

Like the heal gyro gets punished from being alive a long time, since it’s initial heal is “high” and the overall cd gets longer when it survives longer.

But use this input only to discuss about the blast gyro in this thread, please.

Like: This would already help to lower the CD of the blast gyro…

As a person who loves and enjoys both, engi and mesmer, equally, I also agree that solo skills should be better than allrounders. Or that is to say:

• The Defender should ALWAYS outshine the Bulwark.
• The Feedback should also ALWAYS outshine the Defense Field (toolbelt).
• The Bulwark AND it’s toolbelt should be equal to the Defender OR Feedback.

But to be fair, the Bulwark is the only good gyro the scrapper has right now. It’s the only one who is balanced. So I see the problem rather in the old, rusty and underpowered skills of the mesmer, rather than the scrapper.

Therefore I suggest:

• The Bulwark to recive 50% of the damage the allies get (as it is now).
• The Defender to have it’s HP reduced to the same HP as any other phantasm, but to NOT recive the damage of allies, just reducing it. The counterplay lies in destroying the defender.

This will make the Defender able to outshine the Bulwark since the Defender’s only purpose is to reduce damage, while the bulwark has also the ability to reflect. It will also make the Defender a more viable option in the current meta (especially pvp where he’s never seen).

PS: don’t compare Disenchanter with the purge gyro – that’s just a battle of two low end tier skills of each profession … they both need love :<

choovanski.5462:

whoever designed this sper clearly does not play engineer. it’s probably the same person who made all of those trash teir traits we have rn.

…and who thought the med kit would be viable like it is now :’D

Blast Gyro Tag:

• You launch a straight homing device to your target (projectile, can be intercepted).
• The Blast Gyro will home in on that target and explodes doing knockback and a hefty amount of damage.
• You can counter this by locking down the Blast Gyro so it can’t reach you before it runs out of its duration.
• 25 sec CD (up to 40 sec !!! if it stays alive up to 15 sec)

Bypass Coating (Toolbelt skill):

• Grant superspeed to you and nearby allies.
• 30 sec CD

Holy crap … oh my … so what I think when I see this skill is: Why should I EVER use it?!
It’s a one-use projectile with a low dps (medium spike), an ultra long CD and an even lousier toolbelt with another ultra long CD.

Not to mention the HUGE amount of counterplay to it for pvp. I mean you don’t even have to just dodge, block or even reflect the inital projectile, no, you can simply jump down a small edge and the pathfinding will do the rest.

As for pve the skill will always be outshined by anything else. Most similar example: the mine: knockback, unblockable and it’s toolbelt hits like a train, stacks tons of vuln, stripps boons and is a huge aoe. Also you got more balance between dmg and cc.

What this skill needs is to keep up preassure on the enemy for pvp or just an acceptable dps for pve: The gyro needs to be like a bombardement!

Lower the CD to like 5-10 sec, but also lower the knockback a bit. Keep the damage up so the DpS will be acceptable. This skill has to be able to oushine a damage kit wich also may apply conditions on the enemy. It’s a pure damage skill with some cc, to make it viable it has to be GREAT in doing what’s it designed for.

As for the toolbelt, I think a stunbreak would already do the job.

No you’re not – the whole gyro thing is a huge disappointment …

Dont forget about HT having 2 water fields, the HT if picked up even every 15 sec…

The gyro just does nothing compared to the whole HT thing. It needs an immense buff aswell as the toolbelt the ability to cleanse conditions.

Another problem is the CD of the skill and when it starts running: Don’t you want your gyro kina get killed fast so you get the initial heal faster again? It’s the same kitten problem as the mesmer has with the healing mantra: you want to consume all 3 charges at once so the CD is ready again, instead of keeping 1 or 2 stacks for “later”. The full CD will be there… So the gyro needs it’s CD to start when build, not when destroyed.

But even then, much more buffs are needed.

Gyros feel like they are the easier and beginner friendlier version of the engis. You know you can use your heal or cleansing gyro if you can’t handle the HT or EG…

Excellent questions! ANet?

Aetherized – got mine for 1k gold and the skin already has an inventory slot

Not that their AI or targetable system bugs me, no. But they are simply NOT WORTH IT. They are weak and feel like split up kits. Cleanse and heal gyro = healing turret, cleanse and dmg gyro = elixier gun. They are weak and their toolbelts are even worse. Like a poison field alone? Some lousy superspeed alone? NO ANET, that’s by FAR not enough to be considered a solid pick. Only the bulwark has a nice kit, the others are terrible…

I kinda have to agree, even if I don’t want to … The hammer is super great, no question. The traits however are only average and most of them are pretty underwhelming. Especially the lack of a damage modifier keeps me from using this traitline.

But the most disappointing part are the gyros. Not that their AI or targetable system bugs me, no. But they are simply NOT WORTH IT. They are weak and feel like split up kits. Cleanse and heal gyro = healing turret, cleanse and dmg gyro = elixier gun. They are weak and their toolbelts are even worse. Like a poison field alone? Some lousy superspeed alone? NO ANET, that’s by FAR not enough to be considered a solid pick. Only the bulwark has a nice kit, the others are terrible…

My first impressions were that the hammer is super cool and great, but … well … the gyros are (except for bulwark) EXTREMLY underwhelming and their toolbelts are even worse trash …

They are never ever gonna replace the healing turret in any situation, nor are they ever gonna replace a kit. I mean:

• combine the dmg gyro + the cleansing gyro = elixier gun
• combine the cleansing gyro + the healing gyro = healing turret
• …

It makes NO SENSE to pick them whatsoever… a sad day for us engis.

The traits are pretty low too. No overall damage modifier makes this whole traitline lackluster. But that’s not all: the existing traits are just so small and have tiny impacts on the gameplay. There is no fun and no love in them. I’m very very disappointed by the traits VERY … :<

greez :<

If i split my HT in half, I get the healing and cleansing gyro. Seriously ANet you could think this on your own, they are both awful. :/

you always get the revealed debuff when you get … GASP revealed!!! ö.ö

Are you serious? This … I like it – I like the way of giving skill 1 with no cd a “semi cd” based on skill 2-5. It’s a great solution!

I agree that skill 1 has to be a stronger heal over time than any heal skill in the game to be worth using, wich automaticly would make this skill op. What also could work is a debuff wich reduces the amount of heal gained by this skill the longer you use it on a person, you see numbers like 3000, 2500, 2000, 1500, 1200, 800, 600, 400, … until you wait a period of time to get rid of the debuff (target)

Curunen.8729:

Fight, fight, fight!

:D

Yea it’s again one of those “no-i’m-the-best-mesmer-here” threads :P

Krag.6210:

Did anyone mention the aiming bug with the flamethrower auto and elixir gun 3?
Before the big class update, you couldn’t aim your flamethrower into the ground even with your camera right on top but it keeps happening now.

To reproduce, pan your camera higher than your shoulders, spam your FT1, run forward and hold right click.

That’s just a visual bug – the FT and EG fumigate did and still do ALWAYS straigt forward into the direction YOU are watching. Forget about ALL the animations you see. Those are even differnt from what your allies see.

I’m a main mesmer and I didn’t even know this. But I agree, this sounds more like a bug rather than intended.

I have to agree – I have no idea what you’re asking :’D

Power food will cap you in lower dungeons anyway – engi should always use condi dura food.

So I’m not native english and “scrapper” sounds like somone who tries to scrap a bit iron together and hopes to be able to build something with it :< Or what does “scrapper” mean? I mean “forge” was so epic, like “his mind is a forge for good ideas” and the scrapper is like the stupid brother of the forge :<

It’s a very sad day tbh

10000000000000 times yes

Matt Stacey.7415:

Xyonon.3987:

losing dps in order to get health back while being open for counterplay sounds totally correct to me

While that makes sense, it doesn’t work the way it should. The amount of health you gain doesn’t make it worth it to use that skill in the first place.

Well it’s a 3k heal on a fairly low cd, it’s not too much but it’s “ok”. Sure it could be more, but that’d be just “nice to have” but not required to declare this skill as useful. In my humble opinion at least.

those two are great solutions! I like! thanks for the fast answer let’s see how they change it ^^

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathly_Chill

… will chill stack in efficiency instead of duration for the trait user??? If not, it makes the trait pretty pretty weaaaaak :< I mean how much does 1 stack burn hurt you with even 4k condition damage? :P yea ikr?

losing dps in order to get health back while being open for counterplay sounds totally correct to me

EdwinLi.1284:

Don’t be so surpirsed. In GW2 we have some Sci-fy stuff as well like Teleporters and Partical Manifestation Ability to generate Objects thanks to Asura technology.

Heck we can even create solid objects out of holograms.

Pha! Asura “technology”. Everything those rats create works – well IF it works – with magic. The true masterrace of technology are the Charr! MEOW!!!! GRRR …. =^._.^=

:P

frifox.5283:

Feedback reflect duration is exactly 8 sec and 6 sec with and without Temporal Enchanter. The animation is exactly 1 sec shorter than the duration of the reflect bubble, aka feedback keeps reflecting for 1 sec after its animation ends.

If YOU say so, it must be true :P Well then, screw the animation, lets feel safe one more sec after it ends xD

Thanks for your input fri

Healing power is a problem itself, since there is no base healing power wich results into the current healing amounts. Every skill scales different with healing power wich makes healing power overall pretty underwhelming. That’s what anet seems to have figured out too, and so we see more and more percentage stuff in traits (since july 23.).

There is nothing more fair than like healing allies for 5% of your own heal per illusion. Before we talk about fairness between traits with healing power and traits without healing power, they have to rework healing power overall first.

Yup, really – still got the same opinion.

The mesmers survivablity relies on decieving your enemy by not letting the enemy know your next step. The counterplay is to try to evade as much damage and cc as you can for those 1-4 sec, after that you can react by knowing exactly where the mesmer will be.

You can trap the mesmer after the rift. Those 1-4 sec are like dangerious, ofc, but everyone has something to deal with the situation. A thief can go invis for the time, a guard can use his invuln, a warrior, engi can use blocks and so on. Some builds and professions will have more problems with it, others won’t. But with a targetable rift, everyone has no problem. Burst dat rift and cleave the mesmer too when he reappears, yay, such amazingly deep counterplay … That’s just too simple.

Nemesis.6938:

they need to bring the aetherized skins back tough….

Sry bought the last one for 1k gold months ago

Here is what he means: It magically – pardon me – scientifically appears when the animation starts :P

You won’t miss loot from mordrem For silverwastes, every condi engi is a must have at red to deal with the husk :P

p/p is totally viable, potentially the best personal dps ingame, just make sure you play condi and it’s fine

I still think they stick to you like a magnet. Like that one revenant skill with those floating green daggers. The drones – so do I hope – will only be additional models to your char that show the enemy “oh he has drone X up” and will be the source of skills. Maybe you can even send them somewhere like the revenant healing stance stone plate, while being untargetable.

Some stuff to add, before you throw away lots of money

Ascended armor is best to be dropped by fractals since light armor is ridiculously overpriced due the fact that every armor needs silk and something and light armor silk and silk. Yes that’s no typo :P

Ascended weapons drop very very VERY rare in fotm, so better build those yourself.

The current best stats for a mesmer are as much assassin as you can get. So if you play often the dungeon “caudecus manor”, you can even get an ascended assassin accessory for having everything from that dungeon. The other assassin accessory is from arah, so a bit harder to optain

You can change the stats in the mystic forge if you have already some ascended gear, but beware that the sigils, runes and infusions, aswell skins will be lost during that progress. Also the “meta” might change for HoT (addon) at october 23.

If you want some more detailed informations about mesmer gear and the math behind it, you can pm me anytime!

greez