Like 1-2 years now
Not the 23. patch
EG and FT should be baseline, the others – I agree
And then Overcharged Shot is always situationally useful whenever a knockback is called for, like the golems during the final Harpy boss
Don’t forget that it also removes movement imparing conditions, wich is pretty useful aswell when you like have to deactivate anything in the thaumanova fractal or have chill / cripple / immo in general. It also get even better when you have stability, negating the knockback
@topic: Engineers are in a very good spot. Even though, we are better in Fractals than in dungeons.
In fractals most bossfights are not just 100-0 things where you can burst with frostbow etc. Most bosses become invulnerable and do some weird stuff :P That’s why engineer shines there more than in dungeons. Blind, stealth and aoe dmg are very important aswell and thiefs just don’t bring as much party dps as the engineer does (say hi to my friend “vulnerability”) while also being able to blind veteran trash. The engineer is a mix of an elementalist and a thief, but also is able to bring enough utility to backup condicleanse, heal, reflection and mightstack. If you ask your party “does anyone have”, you can end the sentence with “ye, the engi has” (unless it’s about stability :< that’s a guard only thing :’D).
In dungeons, another ele will almost always be better. But this statement only matters if you want to do record runs. In every dungeon some other professions are required for record runs, most of the time 3 eles + two others. Yet for speedruns, engineers are perfectly fine.
@condi vs power engi:
I’ve been playing cond sinister and power zerker engi since the patch and condi just has the common problems in dungeons and fractals:
Condi engi is a fun thing and it’s something different than the meta. But except for the husks against vine wrath or the grawl shaman in the grawl fractals when he’s blocking, condi engi is just much weaker than power engi. You can post some “sick” 25k bruning on blowtorch to impress the mass, but after playing it for a longer time you realize it’s just 2nd class when it comes to group play. Usining it for soloing dungeons is a different story
You’re right, the animation is just wrong there too! Well I really didnt knew that, I thought I’ve tested it but apparently I did it wrong.
Another reason to always redo testings from time to time to prove oneself wrong
FJ and Fumigate animations behave that YOU see them firing at what you have selected. But they both are straight forward (not up or down, neither left or right) when you move, so you can not aim sideways at a hostile target, even if it looks like you would.
Holding your right mouse button will do the same thing, even if you select a hostile enemy, just tap a movement key while you face in a given direction and your character will re-orient based on your mouse rather than your target.
The animation will LOOK like you aim for your selected target for YOU, but in fact you are fumigating / flamejet-…-ting straight forward. Other players see a straight forward animation aswell. So while moving you can freely turn around and cleanse conditions from your allies with fumigate, just the animations looks bugged.
You can reproduce the same behavor with a rifle. Aim straight forward but target a friendly player, you character will bow to the direction of the player but still the bullets fly stright forward
greeeeez
Edit: screen for clarification
Edit2: fixed some wrong stuff, thx to SlyDevil
(edited by Xyonon.3987)
Today I expirienced it again in fotm – it’s so annoying to have 1 or 2 stacks left, you have to change the mantra with a random different skill and then swap back so the CD is gone and you can recharge. It’s annoying to get always the full CD even if you have just 1 or 2 stacks left.
Now that I think about the whole “bug” the mantra CDs had, it felt more like a fix.
((
There used to be a time and age when Mantras were trying to be an interesting mechanical concept, they only had a single charge but a comparatively strong effect.
The idea was that you had a ~100% longer cast time, but in exchange your cast time came sort-of after the use, and when convenient. Sure, the cast time back then was too long and HM had such an overpowered interaction with them that they had to be changed, but conceptually the old Mantras actually felt like a specific ability type.
Whereas the current ones… I dunno… clunky is the best I can think of, but that fails to fully encompass just how bad they feel.
At this point I’d honestly just rip them out. Entirely. There’s plenty ideas for better skills, and Mantras as a skill type had their try, they failed, now get it over with.
I’d be completely ok with them being removed entirely. I went 8 months b4 the trait rework without touching a mantra bc of how poorly they function/feel. The ‘bug’ after the patch finally made them worthwhile to use, so they were incorporated into a few of my builds. It genuinely felt like we got a brand new line of utility skills for me.
This – felt so happy
We all know what I’m about to say: Mantras are again “meh”. And I have to agree they were kinda ridiculous with this so called “bug” that the cd started after channeling instead of using the last charge. But right now (and I’m sure I’m not the only one) I feel like a little child that had his pacifier replaced with a lollypop and now vice versa again
The problem is, that this pacifier was very disgusting and the lollypop too sweet. I’d prefer a dental care candy instead
Not lets stop the metaphoric stuff and come to the point: Mantas need some love, something like pre “fix” but not that hard.
Mantra of Recovery
Now this one has the biggest issue imo. It has a 10 sec cd and heals and cleanses conditions. The problem with it is: Why would you EVER leave a charge or two left? You will have terrible consequences when you leave the last charge for a condi cleanse but then use it and see that there is a 10 sec cd on it! You will always be forced to use all the stacks in pvp and only in pve you may be able to use stack for stack for condi cleanses, but even then it’s a dangerious game.
Mantra of Pain
Sub … yea you’re fine Have a nice day!
Mantra of Distraction and Mantra of Concentration
Those are actually fine. You don’t feel forced to spam them through because you need the heal or something. But the main problem here is again – why leaving one charge? Why two if you got some time to run (pve) or feel safe for a moment (pvp)? It’s again the fear of the long cd, this is the major problem of all mantras.
Mantra of Resolve
Same as the two above – but additionaly this mantra became kinda obsolete compared to the healing mantra and power cleanse. I suggest we also add a few seconds of resistance here for the pvp sake!
The solution I suggest here is that manta cd start to run, after using a charge, but only a part of it! For example if you have a Mantra with 30 sec cd, and use all charges, you have 30 sec cd. When you use one charge, the cd reduces by 1 sec per sec (ofc) until 20 sec. Now spamming the other two charges leaves you with 20 sec cd! If you would have only one charge left, It’d be 10 sec cd.
TL;DR:
The cd should be per charge and not for the whole mantra. If you want a cheaper solution to program: Just reduce the CD to 0 again and weaken the healing mantra a bit, since it honestly was the only op one of all mantras.
Right now they feel so weak again and I enjoyed the not glamour pve play and the not shatter only pvp play.
1st – it doesn’t matter anymore if a trait is minor or major or what ever – there is no tier anymore since you got them all anyways.
2nd – the bug is the missing cleanse on the 3rd charge, worked pre patch.
- good night
The dones flied too perfectly with us to be minions unless there will be a major AI update for pets. I think they will “stick to us” and do additional effects. Can’t say more about that topic atm
I guess I misread this one:
Only 25k? Mine hit 32k-38k on Teq
. They hit hard, but slow and almost only effective on immovable targets.
One thing I usually do with mantra is to activating all of them during a big reflect (Lupi/ Bloomhunger) to stack the effect of Mantra Strength. Mantra of Distraction and Diversion stacks Vulnerability on target, and so they are perfect to spam right before a big reflect as well.
I thought, since you are talking about phants you meant the wardens reflection.
Ofc your own reflection works with ALL modifiers on you! That’s out of question ^^
Something I didn’t knew about the iWarlock is that it’s 10% dmg multiplier stacks aswell multiplicative wich gives it a 3x dmg against targets with all conditions… :o And this happens almost always in open world content like the silverwastes champ train.
I never understood all the GS mesmers there … look at it and cry!
(and now imagine 3 of those choochoo truck throwers!)
Asura – especially because projectiles aim for your model wich makes it easier to use (if you would) curtain as a reflection shield. It’s also better to hide and harder to target you for the enemy. You could even use dyes for camu
I’m fine with my 31 skills, ty. A weapon swap is really too much for us. Kits are already a weapon swap without CD.
We are fine