Guild Wars 2

Hey Aither!

The highest damage is assassins armor, weapons and accessoires + zerker trinkets with scholar runes. If you don’t want to use scholar runes, it’s assassins armor + zerker weapons, accessoires and trinkets with eagle runes. You could add assassins accessoires, but then you would get over 100% crit chance wich may be viable in high level fractals where mobs can be over lv80. I will check on this one later I think.

I probably will not add a condition based calculation since I’ve tested condi mesmer post patch with a full equip and it seem extremly weak compared to the power alternative. Reasons for this are:

• no cleaving condition spam
• confusion deals extremly low damage atm (compared to the other damaging conditions)
• staff auto only works well in solos (bounces to allies instead of 2nd time to the enemy)
• lack of ferocity makes our reflected damage extremly laughtable low
• mantra of pain still deals more damage than our condi autos – just much less than in power builds

I’ve been playing condition mesmer quite a while and also did so pre patch. While playing I slowly started to become a condi shatter mesmer due to efficiency and after that a power shatter mesmer, since the utility of shatter itself stays but the dmg rises. Power shatter is quite good in pve now.

Edit: Added reflected damage for zerker armor too, to show how they are inferior compared to the assassin armor! greez!

Condition damage is inferior for mes in pve compared to power alternatives. Especially in silver wastes, where power block is so rewarding and protects you from all those charging terragriffs. It’s amazing what you can do with mantras and if you are in a bad situation, simply hit F4 and you can leave.

Power shatter works for pve now, there are many supportive traits for it and it’s the result of my testings of condition mesmer wich turned into condition shatter mesmer wich turned into power shatter mesmer for pve. Still a bit weaker than “the meta”, but it’s pretty viable and fun to play.

Yea there aren’t only “perfect” players out there. Adapting your equip according to your own and the skill of the players next to you is an excellent idea and I can only support this decision. It’s useless for example to tell a 1000 AP player to use scholar runes at any cost.

But don’t stick on it forever, you might change

Eliavres.4910:

Xyonon.3987:

Gibon.1705:

Xyonon do you mind posting your traits/eq set?

Using [Link] most of the time. I swap according to the situation though, for example boonstrip on shatter for dredge or ascalon fractals.

Build: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-R;9;9;9;0STV;0158056138;9;9;0FA
Dom: 2 | 3 | 3
Duel: 1 | 3 | 1
Insp: 2 | 1 | 3

According to my calculations, full assassins equip + scholar runes would be the best. Since I have all weapons in zerker form though, (and changing stats is extremly expensive when your 10g sigils get destroyed Q_Q) I’m better off by using eagle runes. Those damage numbers were btw with ranger runes, since I’ve been waiting for a chance with that patch – didn’t happen so I got finally rid of them :P

Calculations found here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Best-Equipment-Power-PvE/first#post5213187

Any idea how much of a difference in dps there is between your build and using Illusions as the 3rd line for Compounding Power and Phantasmal Haste?

Also, your calculations for full Assassins equip are Assassins weap/armor and bers trinkets correct? Or are there any assassins trinkets other than that CM reward that I’m unaware of?

As long as you have a boss where you don’t have to worry about reflections and conditions, you can use the illusion trait line. But it’s rather a solo trait line. A 2s longer time warp will probably do more than the illusion trait line for the team. But dps wise those two lines aren’t that significant anyway.

Check out the link, there is a image at the very first post. The difference is tiny, so tiny. But it’s bigger for reflected projectiles. Full kitten equip with zerk trinkets but kitten accessoires are the best you can do. But better check out the thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Best-Equipment-Power-PvE/first#post5226989

Silverkey.2078:

I haven’t used much mantras post-patch so I am not sure I understand everything: Even if they recharge in the background (which I still think is a bug) you still need to channel them which takes 2.75s. So as a spike damage it works, but after 3 uses you still need to charge it right? Is your point simply that since we get 3 instant casts worth more than 1s AA DPS each, the 2.75s channeling is still worth it?

Yes you still have to recharge them, but they give now (traited) a boost wich increases further dmg by 4% stacking up to 5 times. Charging 2.75s for 3 hits of a 5 target aoe outdamages our auto attacks in certain situations:

• mantra of pain will always outdamage greatsword, scepter and staff auto attack
• mantra of pain will outdamage sword auto attack if there are 4+ targets

That’s pretty much it. The goal is to charge your mantras when you have a death time anyway, like when you are in fractals and need some space from a boss for a moment. Also NEVER cancel the 3rd auto attack of the sword to recharge the mantra, since this is the power spike in the rota.

greez

Jerus.4350:

Zerk or Assassin. With Zerk if you get the close range crit trait and/or Accuracy Sigil you make up the loss. Assassin can sit at 70% without concern though, meaning ~98% with banner/fury leaving you an open sigil for Night/Strength/Energy/Peril/Air, whatever you like.

This is a nice thought, but the only thing worth is a sigil of night. Strength is useless due max stacks anyway, energy is just … well we got vigor anyway and air is just terrible in pve.

Rozbuska.5263:

Xyonon.3987:

Rozbuska.5263:

Condis still cant compete with power builds specialy in places where you burst bosses in few secs.

Have you tested it? Yourself? Like for hours? Not just made some 5 minute build, grab some semi good gear, go to pug and say “nah it’s not that good” since you wanted to hear that?

I’d say yes, power builds are still better. But that’s only because I’ve expirienced the might of power builds with the new patch so far. I’m on it, testing condi soon. But first I’m calculating the best equip and runes in excel, wich takes always like 4 hours before I start playing ingame.

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I’ve just opened a thread where you can find the best equip for power Engi in PvE. Nothing about a build though, but for your ascended armor, assassin is the way to go!

-> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Best-Equipment-Power-PvE

I made full asc Sinister gear and use this build what I theorycrafted and tested for few hours before:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-_;4Z;09-m5gT-x0;9;4ijl;0057038156;4833;3oIExoIExX0kjxQ0;4odo8pdp8qdqd051Wc7B1;4VW-N7V-NV05NV05N;9;9;9;9-V6s5a
Yes you can sometime see some really nice tics like 8k burnings (even 12k once) 5k bleeds ect but it takes time to stack up and there are just this short spikes overall condi dps on engi is not that high as ppl think. In long fights Sinister build comming little bit closer to equality but still cant copete with Zerk.
Definetly not worth in dungs where bosses live few secs tops. Atm power build with properly managed Kinetic Battery have somewhere about 18.1k dps

//Edit: Assassion/Zerk mix is no longer necessary thx to new crit traits we will definetly go full Zerk

Thanks, yes that’s what I expirienced aswell. I used the flame turret for its toolbelt over the EG tough. But overall, yea, the spike is nice but it’s lackluster. Got some nice calc sheets done last night.

Zerk is the way to go yes

Totally agree with Taku, built myself today a full asc sinister equip (yea I’m mad …) and it’s pretty much useless for dungeons and fotm, yet it is very nice for solo and open world, bosses with a huge hp pool. But power is ok too for those, so: Go full Zerk.

You can use flamethrower / bombs / elixier gun, but you will be weaker. Nades are essential for vuln stacking and F?, #2, #4 and #5 deal massive damage. It’s a waste to not take this powerful kit, but yea – you “can” play without it.

If it wouldn’t be an elite I wouldn’t use it at all. Elite spot is perfect.

Its great for fractals where you must dodge (or against alpha), but dodging reduces your damage due the traits, so don’t use it in dungeons where you just stack in corners.

The problem with the 50% endurance regen trait is that it won’t stack with vigor wich seems semi good while having the ability to gain vigor.

Silverkey.2078:

@Xyonon I know the feeling… Everything could be different if the scepter didn’t overwrite phantasm. On its own, in rampager it can be on par or better than sword (depends a lot on the enemy’s attack/movement rate obviously). But this clone in the AA… I don’t even get it, I think almost nobody likes this clone anyway! It’s too slow for a shatter mesmer, its AA is so bad even condition mesmers don’t want it to overwrite staff clones, …

Just don’t do auto attacks. You can do scepter #3, summon phantasm, while at the same time unloading mantra of pain, charging it again after the phantasm, unload it while doing 2 (!) basic attacks, use scepter #3 again, recharge again, swap to sword. Something like this. You never have to use the 3rd basic attack. Try it! Scepter #3 is amazing dps wise, truly amazing.

Silverkey.2078:

Duelist in rampager is superior to swordsman in assassin/berserker. The problem is sword AA in assassin beats everything’s AA in rampager :p

That’s exactly what my problem was too. Same goes for Mantra of Pain. And reflection. And at this point I stopped trying :P

Faction.4013:

What would be a good weapon combo for Solo-Open World, if you’re just killing stuff, clearing maps, etc? I assume Sword / Focus based on what I was reading.

In the old days I’d have said sword+focus and greatsword. But nowdays leveling a mesmer has changed. I expirienced it myself since I made a new mesmer again, to exprience leveling with mes again

• Sword + Focus | Scepter + Sword is awesome!
• Trait all your points into Duelling until you got the traits 1 | 3 | 1
• If you are EU and want some advice, I can help you ingame, just pm me

Alone.1784:

The most recent is Brazil from DnT recommending zerkers, around 11:28 on his video you can see his spreadsheet with the breakdown of stats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-k-BLJiBbA

I lost faith in DnT with these bunch of guides. I always thought they were reliable, but especially the necro guide + the “we replaced war for necro and killed lupi so fast” vid makes clear that they want to manipulate TP prices. Me mentioning that on the necro vid got my comment removed immediately wich speaks for itself. Increasing blood prices by telling “you can easy change from kitten to zerk” may be part of this plan aswell.

But that’s just my current opinion on them. I loved them until this patch… But whatever Brazil says on that vid – I did the complete math myself and just because DnT are good speedrun guild doesn’t mean they can’t be wrong.

Alone.1784:

I found their generic power vs precision table as well.
http://www.dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/19418960-math-balancing-power-precision-ferocity-based-on-ep

This table only shows the balance between power precision and ferocity. The best thing you could do is run major precision and minor power and don’t invest in ferocity at all, but since you can’t do that, kitten is the best thing you can do as you can see on the bottom left of the table. Pardon me – not kitten itself, but to get near 100% crit chane.

krixis.9538:

high calibour = 10% crit chance in melee. 10% crit chance vs bleed target. I have full ascended and have 50% crit chance from gear. 20% crit chance from traits = 70% and fury puts me at 90%. warrior banner is like 95% crit chance.

don’t even try to use assassin gear in this topic. with the combined traits zerk is the best gear as it +power as main then +crit as second and + crit dmg = same as assassin.

now all we need to do is get all the other classes to understand that the gear has changed for direct dmg engies.

a lot of ppl still insist I use “assassin” gear as engie even thou its not optimal anymore.

50% crit chance + 20% from fury are indeed 70%. But banners will give you 8%, not another 20%. = 78%. If you use both 10% crit chance traits wich is perfect for dungeons and rather good in fotm, you get your 98% and this is perfect.

I didn’t say “go assassin at any cost”, I said “try to get 100% crit chance when full buffed at any cost”. That’s a huge difference. But yes you are totally right, zerk is better than assassin now with the new traits. I accidently didn’t underline the zerker resuslts wich may have caused sorta the wrong message. I changed the math and added these results instead:

“What I’ve discovered is:

Crit chance seems not to be utmost important anymore. We have many new traits that give us +10% crit chance, wich is similiar to 210 precision! That’s huge! And we got 2 of them. I don’t suggest to use the 240> range one for fractals, but it’s a must have for dungeons."

Thank you!

Because its a lucky strike then. It’s like in the pokémon games. You like pokémon? Sure you do, everyone does so there are like attacks that have 100 damage and 50% accuracy. You can take this one for a 100 dmg skill, but pro players favor a skill with 70 damage and 100% accuracy. Sure, if the one with 100 dmg hits, the 50% more accuracy were “wasted stats”, but over the time of 100 of those this, it becomes clear that one is better than the other most of the time.

Do you know what I mean? 200% crit damage, 2000 power, 50% crit chance = 3000 dps. 200% crit damage 2200 power, 25% crit chance = 2750 dps, even though the single crit in the first one hits for 4000 and the 2nd one 4400.

Yes they can, but most skills have 5 target limits so they will favor players over pets over phantasms over npcs. This means, you in duo with a ranger, the ranger can give your phantasms fury, in a party with 5 ppl though, he can’t.

Edit: made a tiny mistake, thought banners give 180 instead of 170 stats. Changed that, final results remain the same though

Rozbuska.5263:

Condis still cant compete with power builds specialy in places where you burst bosses in few secs.

Have you tested it? Yourself? Like for hours? Not just made some 5 minute build, grab some semi good gear, go to pug and say “nah it’s not that good” since you wanted to hear that?

I’d say yes, power builds are still better. But that’s only because I’ve expirienced the might of power builds with the new patch so far. I’m on it, testing condi soon. But first I’m calculating the best equip and runes in excel, wich takes always like 4 hours before I start playing ingame.

I’ve just opened a thread where you can find the best equip for power Engi in PvE. Nothing about a build though, but for your ascended armor, assassin is the way to go!

-> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Best-Equipment-Power-PvE

Hi everyone, Ziggy here!

I’m a main Mesmer since release and since a very long time also a main Engineer. I offer anyone, anytime help with this fantastic class, ingame, teaching, supporting and showing what ever one needs or wants to know ‘bout engi (and mes). I’ve been helping and theorycrafting with dozens of players so far, with a AP range from 1 to 20k.

Since the last time I’ve been checking on my “perfect gear”, much has changed. The recent patch affected us like all the others, changing so much and now that I’m getting used to the new traits, especially the “must have” ones, I’ve been starting to update my equip again.

Like I already did with Mesmer (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Best-Equipment-Power-PvE/first#post5226789), I’ve been working on what the best stuff to get is right now. It took me another 4 hours to get the results and make them visual appealing, but here it is, to be shared with you! (Note that this thread is about POWER oriented playstyle, havent tested condi yet, but I’m on it.)

I myself have been and still am using strength runes, since I used them in my ascended armor before the introduction of PS warriors. I know that scholar runes are better, as you can see, but since strength runes are so expensive I wanted to know how much the difference was and if I should change them regardless of wasting so much money. So don’t get distracted by those strength runes in the calculations, if I’d start over again, I’d use scholars for sure!

What I’ve discovered is:

Crit chance seems not to be utmost important anymore. We have many new traits that give us +10% crit chance, wich is similiar to 210 precision! That’s huge! And we got 2 of them. I don’t suggest to use the 240> range one for fractals, but it’s a must have for dungeons.

(you only have to look at the bold and underlined numbers on the right | kitten on the left side means assassin armor, further assassin equip is noted with a + | no spotter included)

If you think I’ve made a mistake, let me know. Otherwise, what do you think?

Thanks for reading, greez!

- your Ziggy

Edit: Made a tiny mistake, thought banners give 180 instead of 170 stats. Changed that, final results remain the same though! greez!
Edit: Changed text to fit more the results! Thx to krixis.9538! greez!
Edit: Removed reflected dmg, since it’s not that relevant to us (had it from Mes calcs) but I added another line with both crit chance traits active! greez!

Except for condi mes to be worse than pre patch, even in PvE (wich I honestly don’t care about since …) THIS WAS THE BEST PATCH EVER! We finally got the buffs we deserved, we finally feel like what we expected when we first created our lv1 mes on release!

I hope they won’t break us again :/

Totally agree with OP because of …

Kabikaz.8637:

Because mesmer are so used to being an awful class, we feel like something’s wrong when we aren’t.

… this!

But to be fair I have to agree with Chaos – not only mesmer players are posting here. Don’t generalize too much

@Eliavres.4910 and Silverkey.2078:

• Your quote from the wiki says “power, precision, condition damage & duration, boon duration, critical damage, armor, and healing power” and this is an old information. Ferocity didn’t exist back in the old days, so items gave critical damage. So ferocity will also be transfered to the illusions.
• Phantasms and clones copy only raw stats of the mesmer like power or precision, yet not resulting stats or modifier like the mantra trait or fury.
• Fury will affect illusions if they have fury themselves, but not if the mesmer has fury (since it’s a resulting stat -> 20% crit chance).
• Might will not affect illusions, but if the mesmer has it, they get the power / condition damage (since they copy these raw stats)
• So +20% dmg is a modifier and WILL NOT affect phantasms (mantra trait), but Fencers Finesse will increase their ferocity wich makes wearing a sword very important.
• Illusions wont be affected by weakness if the mesmer has weakness, but they will be affected by weakness when they got it themselves.

That the mesmers damage is cut in two pieces – phantasm damage and mesmer damage – is true. But the recent changes have shifted this damage by a huge amount to the mesmer’s side.

Pre-patch I’d say it was like Mesmer 50:50 Phantasm vs trash mobs and M 25:75 P vs bosses. But now it’s more like M 75:25 P versus trash and M 50:50 P vs bosses. We gained our well deserved personal damage buff with all those traits and the modifiers are very very VERY important, especially when you reflect things with curtain or feedback. Reflected projectiles are unaffected by our power, but affected by our crit chance and crit damage, aswell by our modifiers. If a phantasm (iWarden) reflects, their modifiers count (+15% from domination).

I hope I could help you with this stuff ^^ I know – wall’o’text sry ._.

!!

I have updated the image of the first post, to point out the results more clearly and also added taps who show how much the damage difference between scholar and eagle is. I’ve also added some notes to make it clear WHAT i used. I hope you like it!

=^._.^= meow!

Silverkey.2078:

I did a rampager vs assassin comparison here assuming a match start.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Mesmer-PVE-PVP-guide-after-update/first#post5216755
The DPS is basically identical but it takes about 1s more time for rampager to reach the same damage as assassin. Rampager beats assassin only if you have 3 duelists up or when your mantra charges bonus ends (about 10s if you use them all in the beginning).

Is the playstyle identical? I doubt it due the additional condition damage. MoP has become essential too and the damage modifiers won’t apply for condis either, aswell iSwordsmen has gained at hidden attack speed buff if I’m not mistaken (now 4.5 sec cd).

But the main reason why I really don’t like rampager at all is the lack of ferocity to be able to deal huge damage with reflected projectiles.

But overall, do you have your math sheet somewhere, rather than just a picture showing that the damage is about the same :P

greez

Assassin’s / Eagle is assassin armor + zerker weapon and trinkets.

I probably won’t do condi since it seems lackluster compared to power atm. I will first go for engineer since it’s my other main, maybe after that

Another QQ thread … There is no other profession forum community that is so extremly scared of tiny nerfs being followed by other tiny nerfs as the mesmer community. So we always agressivly open new threads to show ANet how terribly wrong they are to hope for a solution that will hit in the middle between “buff it” and “nerf it into the ground” to force them to “leave it alone” and achieve balance

@Silverkey: Totally agree with this!

@Photoloss: The change would make the 10% dmg modifier for every skill and 20% for shatter. Right now the 15% and 30% are ONLY for shatter.

@Rexx: I love the Illusions changes, since this traitline is very lackluster for pve in the grandmaster section. The other stuff however is rather important / needed. The Domination change seems a bit overkill.

Condition damage, especially from finishers, are rather insignificant for power builds since the patch. Also iSwordsman attacks a bit faster since last patch. It’s superior to duelist now. And you got that daze / block

But yea, scepter 3 deals massive damage and it is even a dps increase to start with summoning a phantasm, use scepter 3, swap, do the sword things until the boss dies.

Btw: mantra of pain replaces weak auto attacks – everything but sword aa. Unless 4+ targets, then mantra of pain outdamages even sword aa.

There are assassins accessoires from having all items in caudecus manor and arah. But yea, that’s what I noticed too. Going for Eagle runes, you don’t need that much kitten equip, but if you have it, scholar runes are better and both sets touch the 100% crit chance mark when full buffed.

Also in high fotm levels, mobs thend to be over lv80, wich makes a for example 105% crit chance reasonable, since it’s against them like 100%.

I didn’t count spotter towards full buffed since I rarely see any (good) rangers. They aren’t as essential as warrior and ele.

I’m much more annoyed by the cdr of FT and EG :/ was so good in fotm … and it didnt become baseline. Maybe I’m missing something but pistol didn’t become baseline aswell, did it? Didn’t check this one yet.

9% compounding power + 12.5% fragility + 20% harmonious mantras
→ 47.15% modis.

Also we got stacking ferocity.

Our modis are good as they are, we aren’t supposed to be the main damage class. Also fragility minor is ok too imo, since a) in pt you have those 25 stacks vuln and in b) in pvp you have your F3 + interrupt to get up there very fast.

You can always use scepter / staff / gs and simply replace the aa with mop. Fill with other skills and you’ll be fine. Sometimes it’s even better to just start with a weapon for certain skills and then swap to the sword until target X dies. It depends on dungeons or fotm content though.

This thread is about equipment rather than about a build. The only important thing is “Fencer’s Finesse”.

Check this out: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/PvE-Mesmer/first#post5214816

posted “my build” there

This thread sums up my feelings about this patch too. Thanks Robert and also thanks to you Chaos good words!

Btw: I used +7% crit chance sigils on every weapon set. Sry I forgot to mention this

Well if rangers wont cancel their rapid fire when they see that you use mirror it’s pretty much their own lack of skill and fault. A good ranger will turn around and cancel, so mirror “just” protects you and maybe hits the ranger 2-3 times isntead of the full barrage.

Still great skill though Love it ^^

Time Warp is fine as it is now. Every glamour got a cdr, tw got trait adaption + slow instead. It’s in a perfect spot.

The duration was never op, the small boon pool WAS op, due they were all awesome. Now with a rather mixed pool, the 100% dura is exactly what was needed, to make is great, yet not op again.

Majic.4801:

“Best” in that context is an adjective.

there is still just one best thing :o

spoj.9672:

Mimic is the single best new thing that has come to PvE mesmer in this patch.

the noun “best” always decribes a single thing

ellesee.8297:

The bug consists of more than Grenade Barrage… I’ll leave it at that! It should be fixed ASAP!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

^this – it uses the old grenade barrage with 1500 range and 30 sec CD too. 100% a bug.

Heyhey, Ziggy here

I’ve been helping engineers all the time, can show you everything you want or need and I can help you chosing your equip, traits, skills according to the situations

The only problem I have is that I’m EU and thus only if you are too I can show you all the combos ingame

So tell me, where are you from?

greez! Ziggs Ironeye (<- Char® name, just add me)

Gibon.1705:

Xyonon do you mind posting your traits/eq set?

Using [Link] most of the time. I swap according to the situation though, for example boonstrip on shatter for dredge or ascalon fractals.

Build: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-R;9;9;9;0STV;0158056138;9;9;0FA
Dom: 2 | 3 | 3
Duel: 1 | 3 | 1
Insp: 2 | 1 | 3

According to my calculations, full assassins equip + scholar runes would be the best. Since I have all weapons in zerker form though, (and changing stats is extremly expensive when your 10g sigils get destroyed Q_Q) I’m better off by using eagle runes. Those damage numbers were btw with ranger runes, since I’ve been waiting for a chance with that patch – didn’t happen so I got finally rid of them :P

Calculations found here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Best-Equipment-Power-PvE/first#post5213187

All weapons are viable, if you know when und where to use them. Especially scepter now, I can’t say it enough, it’s amazing! I wouldn’t suggest it for dungeons tough, maybe just to use skill 3# and then swap and stay on sword + having 2 good phantasms, but for fotm, it’s a great single target dps weapon (good phantasm).
Aslong as you replace your aa with Mantra of Pain, you can go for almost every ranged weapon, even staff – iWarlock still hits like a truck with up to 20k per hit.

Yea that makes sense – and once they fixed the bug with menders purity (last mantra stack won’t proc power cleanse), it gets even better!

Careful, Rune of the Mesmer is bugged, making your dazes last like 0.5 sec! (most likely the 6th rune bonus reduces dazes by 33% isntead of increases).

Last time I tested this was yesterday.

Noticed that too. Feels unfinished, but on the other hand I have to agree – we have different “probelms” now, that are more important :|

I’d rather like to see mortar #2-4 damage to be buffed by 100% (damage like grenade #2, #4 and #5), since a strong auto attack was never an engi thing. The mortar feels too weak, indeed. He has no use the way it is right now.

Greez

Hi everyone!

Since ranger runes have been taken from us, I’ve been wondering if the recent patch might change something for us. So I waited til the trait reworks with buying new runes and sigils to update my Mes. To be sure wich equip is the best, I’ve been using the dark evil magics called . . . MATH !!! insert dramatic music + lightning sounds here

What I’ve discovered is:

With the ferocity boosting “Fencer’s” trait, precision aka crit chance seems to be utmost important. It almost doesn’t matter how much power I’ve got, it doesn’t even matter if I use scholar or eagle runes (eagle runes seemed to be the “lesser ranger runes”, so I chose them, also they give excellent stats). The result was always the same: having more crit chance = better dps.

Overall these are the results:

• If you are using full berserk equip, use eagle runes, even over scholar.
• If you are using assassin armor + berserk weapons and trinkets, you should stick to eagle for fotm or reflection action, but you can go scholar for no-reflection dungeons if you got 68%+ of the time over 90% HP.
• If you are using full assassin equip, use scholar runes.
• If you are using any runes without ferocity or precision, better change them.

• Try to get near 100% crit chance, full buffed.
• Try to be able to use scholar runes over eagle, yet not if you lose more than 5% crit chance while full buffed.

(you only have to look at the bold and underlined numbers on the right | kitten on the left side means assassin armor, further assassin equip is noted with a + | no spotter included)

If you think I’ve made a mistake, let me know. Otherwise, what do you think? (Looking at you frifox >_>)

Thanks for reading, greez!

Edit: Updated image for clearer results! greez!
Edit: Made a tiny mistake, thought banners give 180 instead of 170 stats. Changed that, final results remain the same though! greez!
Edit: Added reflected damage for zerker armor too, to show how they are inferior compared to the assassin armor! greez!

For fractals I use these traits atm:

Domination: 2 | 4 or 6 | 9
Duelling: 1 | 6 | 7
Inspiration: 2 | 4 | 9

I’ve never felt so strong in fotm b4 as I do now. Insane damage numbers thanks to Harmonious Mantras and Mantra of Pain, aswell those interrupts <3. Shattering a clone and my persona alone does 10k per target. It’s great, it’s really really great. You got everything you need and more. Wouldn’t want no Mes in fotm anymore.

Bug is known and confirmed, it works like this:

If mantra of recovery has only 1 charge left, this charge won’t proc menders purity. If you trait for 3 mantra charges, you can use it 2 times. You know when you cast power cleanse via menders purity, if you have your sound turned on and listen to the “power cleanse” sound.

That’s all And yea – unintentional and bug.

PS: → the intern cooldown is ONLY for menders purity, wich is the same as mantra of recovery, so there is “no” intern cooldown at all. The intern cooldowns from traits NEVER share with those from utility skills. Examples: Medics Feedback, or that new iDefender trait.

This will only need other played to actually counterplay you. A dodged shatter is still 0 dmg. The only thing changed is that a weak shatter vs careless ppl turned into a good shatter vs careless ppl.
What’s coming next is that those careless ppl become careful – thus – balance.

frifox.5283:

Xyonon.3987:

Metabattle was NEVER good, especially not for mesmers

:(

check the revision history for the meta mes build:

• http://metabattle.com/wiki/index.php?title=Build:Mesmer_-_S/S_/F_/P&action=history

90% of contributors on it are well known mesmers who know what what they’re talking about. Why would it be “not good”?

Chaos Archangel.5071:

I was one of the people who worked on one of Metabattle’s Mesmer articles.

But.. Haters gon’ hate. =[

What I meant is that, regardless that the content is correct and good, this site turns most ppl visiting it into some sort of short minded zombies who will NEVER try something different than what they’ve read there and IF somone tries to tell them different, oh boy the rage of those wanna be experts is real, i tell ya.

I suggest the site for newbs, and for gathering information one might not know. But for players beyond the basic stuff, it’s pure poison.