Guild Wars 2

Snakebyte.2804:

Blast finisher on every 3rd auto attack like on Ele’s Lightning Hammer would be choice.

As if you ever gonna be able to use your aa. I’d rather like to have it on #2 on a 5 sec CD like FT has. But 2 similiar skills? Meh…

Are you guys really all upset and even more, surprised about this change? o.ô

It’s good to nerf stuff into the ground before fixing it. Turrets really need a rework.

So we go back to gw1 hex? Illusions are implemented to be destroyable effects. Yet I agree they need some love especially in pve

i’d like to have a blind via smoke and fire explosive stuff and ohhh i’m gonna love it anyway

Mesmer burst is as high as the dps of other classes … Yet if other classes burst … well x.x

What I actually ment is that you yourself won’t affect this mechanic and your illusionary persona will neither reduce the damage of other illusions, nor reduce itself dmg.

So lets say:
1 clone = 1000 dmg
2 clones = 2x 750 dmg
3 clones = 3x 500 dmg

with persona it’s the same but you can add a +1000 dmg from yourself on each of them.

While reading here I remember why I normaly kick any mesmer in dungeons / fotm with less than 10k AP, and even those are most of the time just bad…

Mesmer dps is low. If you say you hit hard with mes, you either only play mes, play other classes wrong or you just play a different game.

If you want to get more damage, mantra of pain is a dps increase against 4-5 targets or when you are ranged. Just make sure to NEVER EVER break the sword aa. It’s also the best utility slot for short encounters, like pretty much always in dungeons.

The only thing accurate is that phantasms die fast.

Definitly charr. Norn is for wanna be trolls with no stlye :P

Keep in mind that the damage per illusion gets reduced for every additional illusion you’re about to shatter with F1. But you always count as a single illusion wich is a huge damage increase for this weak skill.

I doubt it, kits are essential.

you also should wear colorful clothes and use a brown hobosack …

I think turrets need a complete rework. They need ammunation and have stronger attacks, yet YOU have to attack by YOURSELF. No ki, just utility skills you can activate and the turret shoots. Rocket turret will be like a grenade shot to aim and flame turret like a smoke bomb + fire bomb.

Don’t nerv it into the ground, fix it!

I’ve been using MoP since patch all the time to replace none sword AA’s. It makes scepter + single target phantasm or greatsword really good weapons against specific enemies in fotm. Staff in open world with MoP aa and most broken zerging phantasm makes it superior in bossfights like they happen in silverwastes.

Though, I thought it decreases your dps on sword a bit, but it seems to be the same, wich means better due the fact of hitting 2 additional targets. It has been a long time since I’ve tested it, I probably just broke the aa chain with channeling MoP wich is completly stupid.

I really don’t care much about all the other stuff since I know Mes deals low damage. But I’m surprised and happy about MoP. I’ve always said it’s very underrated. In short encounters of trash mobs, it actually makes us average damage dealers.

There is no kit A > kit B in general.

Flamethrower is great with an ele for blast finishers and dmg, with PS war (wich is meta) it’s less awesome, but still great against encounters the war isn’t able to stay melee all the time. FT has a great damage output with it’s 2# but it’s not easy to use, especially if enemies are bigger than you and autoaim ruins the blast. Yet FT is much weaker than bombs in situations like ascalon fotm, where you want those wars blind and mobs may spread a bit at the statue and nades splash isnt big engouh, or you just want to cleave many siege weapons. Same goes for EG and mine.

If you stay on the same 3 utilities all the time, you are a bad enguineer.

Hiho!

Engineer is the hardest class to play in pve but it’s also the one wich is most fun. If you are on EU servers you can pm me ingame, I’m always happy to help anyone I can show you the basics and you can pm anytime if you got questions!

Greez!
- Ziggy

Fire bomb ticks multiple times with direct damage too and deals nearly the same damage as the aa. However burning and especially a fire field is always worth being cast. Also keep in mind that smoke AND fire bomb both stack multiple times vulnerability.

Hard to play or not, It’ll be very frustrating as a zerker roamer when you face a thief.
For PvE it’s pretty ok to run staff + gs with a shatter setup for open world. You can go phantasm too, but either way, in dungeons those weapons are mostly a no go.

Even with bufffood, you can SUSTAIN (!) only 15 stacks vuln on bosses. Sure you get higher but that’s just spike like from barrage. Don’t dream too much :P

nope :P

Haha guys I just found out that if you have your hobo sack on and zoom in into frist person, then zoom out, for you (other ppl won’t see it) your backpack clipps through the hobo sack That’s weirdness lv over 9000 ANet xD gz

Nearly no random mesmer knows how to play properly, spamming feedback, some mantras, nullfields and portals where none are required and using GS in melee and stuff, so ppl tend to kick you, same goes for ranger or engi. Necro has no chance anyway in pve :P But it’s just noobprotection.

Once you have a good guild or playing with at least 2-3 ppl together who know you, you won’t get kicked by anyone. If you will, you know you really are a bad mesmer thinking you were great, but you werent :P

Mesmer is probably the most frustrating class to start with, dealing no damage, especially if you don’t know how to play them at least semi good, resulting into switching to ele / war and never touch anything utility focused ever again in gw2, blaming every other player that plays mesmer with being useless.

TL;DR: No.

Guys it’s not about hating on engi because other classes have no love too. It’s about starting somewhere to change that:

• kits with legendary effects
• phantasms with legendary effects
• if no 2nd weapon set legendary is equiped → copy effect
• maybe even an aura wardrobe? :O

Rozbuska.5263:

Well best way to damage is use nades 2,4 and bomb 1 as autoattack in rotation with condi duration food 25 vulne isnt a problem.

For personal damage it’s the best. But you won’t get up to 25 stacks with bomb aa unless it’s trash. Ppl keep forgetting the only thing that counts is team damage, not personal damage. Nade 1 > bomb 1, unless trash / wide spreaded mobs.

Rozbuska.5263:

3rd utility you can choose between EG and mines. EG 4 have little bit higher damage than mne field but mine field stack another vulnerability and remove boons witch is great on some bosses

I love da dredges crying _ <3 Or the 25 stacks asc fotm guys, thehe. Yea Mine is a totally underestimated skill, somehow forgotten thx to #metabattle… Glad there are still engis out there who know more.

The return bat hittin me is insane … I was thinking about one phantasm. But I agree, the summoning time is far too long.

I warden does like 10-15k spins every 15 (!!!) seconds … every 5 sec oh my … :P Warden gets up to 20k when everything is full buffed and you run 66XXX, but if we would always talk about the best situation I’d run staff all day long, cuz they crit up to 30k. But perfection is for E.D. and the truth is to use warden for cleave and reflection, duellist and swordsman for single target and if there are more targets don’t even bother to summon those.

I’ve stopped using the signet in many situations now, since champs die within 5-20 sec, it’s often not worth using it and you’re fine with 2 phantasmsm and your aa + 4% dmg for another mantra. Only durable champs are worth taking the signet, but ppl these days just take a look at metabattle and think they know the most efficient ways. Not talking about you directly, just mentioning it. Don’t feel insulted, it’s not ment to be.

I’d love to see phantasms get 1 sec of distorion whenever you dodge. So you could evade aoe onehits, still being vulnerable to dots is the counterplay I like. Also those insane cast times …

4 sec summon? boy I’m glad I play another guild wars 2 than you.

Even if those phantasms only hit once and die, they still did more damage than you with your aa. Unless you could cleave. If there are 2 or more targets, don’t summon any single target phants, your aa would deal more damage than they ever will.

Btw most durable is the duellist, the ofhand sword goes melee and is often the target of aoes (unless it attacks where it dodges). Warden never dies while reflecting though.

Bomb 1 deals 25% more damage than grenade 1, and that’s it. Nade 2, 4 and toolbelt are ultra hard hitters and outdamage any bomb skill by far. Yet even grenade 1 deals more TEAMDAMAGE than bomb 1, since more vuln = more passive damage = more damage for the team and this is all what counts. If you prefer bomb 1 over nade 1 you might aswell play again dps warrior over ps warrior.

btt:
You “can” use what ever you like, but to not be ballast for your team due low dps and utility, I highly recomment to use grenades + bombs / flame thrower + elixier gun / mine and swap some stuff according to the situation. I know especially for new players grenades and bombs (especially nades) are a pain to use, but you get used to it, they’re both awesome.

If you want some engi advice and you are on EU servers, feel free to pm me ingame and I show you some stuff greez!

Ziggy

Mak.2657:

Xyonon.3987:

Sword melee 3 times dmg of gs max range. And then the cleave makes it 9 times unless they line up.

Not correct.
GS max range damage 0.945 coef, cast time 1.4s, dps = 0.675
Sw hit cycle 0.6 + 0.6 + 1.1 (0.9 if enemy has boon) = 2.3 coef, cast time (full cycle) ~ 2.5s, dps = 0.92 (or 0.84 vs enemy with boon)
So 0.92 / 0.675 = 1.3629 times better. Or sword AA better th*a*n max GS AA only by 36% (not counting boons, conditions, sigil procs, etc). Even less sw AA dps If you not managed to go through full AA cycle because most damage attack is 3rd in a row. Only ~15% better for 1st and 2nd attack in sw AA chain if I’m not wrong.
Personally think sword autos need some type of buff.

Yup, my bad. Somehow mixed up my memory with some stuff. That our class deals nearly no dmg is already well known, but tbh, I don’t want it to. I’d like to see rather devastating effects. Right now we have vulnerability and boonstrip on our aa, wich is actually pretty kitten. The vuln sure results in a good amount of dmg for the team in a pt, and the boonstrip can be a huge dmg boost when you rip protection or regeneration from mobs, especially dredges. Also luv the 25stacks might rip at the ascalon fotm.

Solo open world you can do what ever you want.

Zerg open world you will have to hit stuff and defense is not required since everyone mindless tries to tag everything wich dies anyway :P So you can keep your pistol + shield, yet you wont use it, that much. Nades, bombs or the flamethrower are best for tagging.

In dungeons pistol + shield is viable and it’s good. It’s less dps (slightly) for more utility. You get blind, interrupts and a blast finisher. Yet you should never ever use skill 1 or 2. You sill should use nades, bombs, flame thrower, mines, elixier gun + situational stuff and use the meta build.

One is a visual and attackable dot, the other is a companion.

Sword melee 3 times dmg of gs max range. And then the cleave makes it 9 times unless they line up.

Mesmer with proper stats on traitlines with useful skills? INFERIOR! :o

How can you guys already QQ before you even got our weapon, utilities and especially new class mechanic … how short minded can one be …

I used to play a game where warlocks can use corpses to let them explode for additional effects. They could also consume them for HP and MP. It would indeed totally fit the necro.

It’s ingame since a few patches now. Just forget to report it.

Well yea, if a mesmer casts time warp, only the mesmer himself can see the time warps animation and hear it’s sound. For all other players (with some rare exceptions) the time warp is just visible via a big combo field. They cannot hear nor see the time warp.

Ralanost.8913:

RNG is RNG. Random is never fair.

Actually it is.

…

in theory :x

I’d say it’s otherwise, that 15% or 30% buff for phantasms affects wardens reflected projectiles. But to truly know wich is the truth, there is just one save source that can tell us how it really works!

“turns around and looks at ANet” … and this source is …

FRYFOX! :> “sits down and waits for him to appear” :>

The only pvp counterplay right now is to interrupt the charge of a mantra. There wouldn’t be any buff to them once they’re charged. So I don’t really see any “op” tag here. There are plenty of skills you can only dodge by pure prediction, you’ll never dodge some skills 0.25 windup time just by the animation. Also we already have tons of easy dodgable and predictable skills like shatter and summoned phants. I’d really enjoy this buff without screaming “op”, even when I was another class facing a mes. After all would a mantra mesmer lack of either blink or invis (or both).

Mantras are acceptable right now, they are not great. No decent build uses them in pvp, except for lockdown and only one of them. In PvE they are anyway bombed away and swapped / recharged after each encounter. Charging them during combat decreases the already low dps even further.

Something else about mantras I’d really like to see is, that they become unblockable (either on default or by a trait (COMBINED TRAIT, not another single individual trait that sits in a traitline where an already existing trait is better!). After all, the mantras attack the mind of the enemies wich will unlikely be blocked with a shield. It would also make lockdown stronger to break through blocks and also be great in pve to stop enemies from blocking. Mantra of Distraction would have so much more potential.

I still dream of a mesmer in pvp that isn’t there to burst, rather to be dangerously annoying and combo breaking. For pve I wish more impact on utilities rather than a damage buff.

Sagat.3285:

Why should they get better treatments than other utilities O.o??

Personally I like the idea of different turret skins for each race. It would also be great if ranger pets could wear armor for teh same reason. Not race individual, just for the fine art of details! Not every class has stuff to be indivitual, they don’t have to. But where potential is to show that this game truly cares about small stuff too would be a shame to not use this potential. Semi good english i guess – well not native and it’s 4 am here

greez

I don’t see the problem there? I already like the current mantras and these mantra changes I just mentioned are the same but just with an autorecharge. It’s even better.

For the huge condi cleanse I’d suggest to buff the nullfield to tick twice as fast and add an immune to boons / conditions while standing inside it.

Photoloss.4817:

…but having to waste 1-2 charges after finishing a fight just so you can be ready for the next is annoying.

You can swap 1-2 times charged mantras with any skill and swap them back, so you have no CD. Well there is a CD, but it starts when you first charge the mantra.

For example a mantra with a 30 sec CD will go on full CD once you have cast the last mantra. If you charge it, a hidden 30 sec CD starts to count. If this one is gone, you can swap, otherwise you’ll have like 10 sec CD left or something.

got the same problem, it’s completly random if it works or not, but it seems more not to :<

Since bomb aa deals like double damage, I wouldnt say either that it’s op. It would buff the FT aa sure, but that’s the purpose of the thread, now isn’kitten And I think we can all agree that the FT aa is indeed kinda weak compared to other options wich beside of dealing more damage also can hit 2 more targets.

Keep in mind that all Mantras are AoE :>

Only affecting us / phantasm IS a condition, I only repeat myself… You keep comparing phantasms with minions and pets, but this not the same thing. Phantasms used to be hexes wich were op so they made them killable in GW2. They are US, they are OUR damage source, they are NOT minions nor companions! That’s why they should SHARE our modifiers of runes and sigils ASWELL THEIR CD.

I thought of something similiar my self once. Has anyone of you played league of legends about 3 years ago? There used to be a champion called Karma that had Mantras too, and I really would like to see her mechanic for us.

It would be like this: You can have a maximum of 2 (or 3) charges and you autmaticly gain one over time. So instead of going on 30 seconds CD, you simply gain a charge ever 10 seconds, stacking up. Mantra of pain for example would gain a charge ever lets say 2-3 seconds. This would make it a great dps source for us.

Offtopic: I want an Elite Mantra that grants 1 sec distortion o.o

You’re thinking into the wrong direction. All those arguments have flaws.

15% no condition? The condition IS that it only affects phantasms. That’s why the number is high, 15%. Yet some required conditions of other classes are just laughtable. 10% dmg against bleeding targets? EVERY target is bleeding. 20% dmg under 50% hp? so like 10% damage overall without a condition. 2% per condition is also always 8-12% free dmg without REAL conditions like flanking, where I give you a point.

But in the end that’s just offtalk. The problem here is, that even those 40% dmg bonus only affect phants. Have you ever played other classes than mesmer? Have you ever added all their bonuses together? Most of them go up to the 40% too, some even above, but for the whole of their damage.

What I want to say is that phantasms are a part of our damage output and they should also be treated like that. I agree there can be differences trait wise, that some add phant dmg and some add personal dmg. But the reason why we got only a few personal damage modis wich are also extremly hard to maintain is that we aren’t here to deal damage. We are the utility casters. Yet the phantasms are designed to deal damage. But those damage sources get no bonus from runes and sigils wich will increase damage. This is the flaw I’m talking about.

You can’t really say I’m wrong about that, now can you?

StickerHappy.8052:

Xyonon.3987:

They shouldn’t let the phants count for ranger runes 6th bonus, they should just let phants be affected by runes in general. Scholar runes? Phants with 90%+ HP get 10% dmg bonus, and so on.

That would be broken. lol. Rune of the Eagle? now every phant has increased hit chance for low hp threshold.

Runes of the ogre, ranger, scholar? Pair that with Empowered Illusions and Phantasmal strength. 40% more phantasm damage, this is before stats too.

“Decent Mesmer buff! BROKEN BROKEN QQ QQ QQ”. People like you … WHAT exactly makes it fair to have our damage split into two parts where one of them won’t get affected by runes and sigils? If it would have always like this, noone would bat an eye. Right now it’s just unfair that half of our damage isn’t affected by anything! Any damage modifiers that affects the whole damage of any other class (’xept poor rangers) gets cut in half for us! 40% more phantasm damage? No. We all already trait for 15% or 30% more damage for phants, like other classes do for their total damage like +10% dmg when bleeding, 2% per condition, 10% while flanking, etc! And this affects EVERYTHING of them. We have to trait the damage for one part of our damage and we have to equip runes and sigils for the other part. No – this is clearly NOT fair, regardless of how minor our damage is compared to other classes too.