Guild Wars 2

I love it! I love the high apm to throw all the stuff at my enemies and see them melting, while between hits I look back to my maties and throw stuff at them they need to survive! Wait … I guess I just fumigated the enemy and used barrage against my allies…

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aahhhh what the heck! throws more stuff in every direction!

Just remove those kits without anything to add. It’s the most simple solution and noone LITERALLY NOONE ever checked an engis backitem before engaging…

The reason to take condi in pve is to get tanky and beat normally hard bosses easier at the cost of damage. It makes no sense to go for the squishy condi stats. You could just roll zerk then and deal much more damage. Unless you want to play condi jff.

Sick of getting beaten by cele and thieves all the time? You don’t wan’t to have to hide after you missed your burst to the thief? You don’t wan’t to try running away after your burst hit the cele enemy for 25% of his HP?

Scepter + Torch / Staff → Condi.

You don’t really need argos anymore – there is a full wardrobe at your bank, for parts you don’t yet own. Countless combinations! gl hf

Condition damage > precision = power.
It’s the “condition zerker” as some call it.

WvW and PvP probably / definitly too squishy for a condi build. Maybe for some cheese builds.
PvE condi is only good for soloing champs → slightly less dps but tanky in exchange. These stats just keep you sqhishy AND you deal less damage than zerk.

No, those stats are infact terrible.

I would spend change Nr. 1-4 just for Nr. 5!

Ele.

I shouldn’t even react to such an inferior post like Power’s. Yet it’s still adorable

Shoes are Zodiac (gemstore), the rest is correct.

or just delete them – easiest solution.

Haha they even follow you like a mini as long as you are on that map I love dis!

serenke.4806:

There’s so much misinformation, hearsay and just lack of knowledge in this thread (apart from a few actually well-informed mesmers), it’s ridiculous.

It’s easier to quote someone to get accepted by everyone rather than have the own opinion It’s funny though to see how everyonw thinks abuot their own profession.

It’s also very hard to see the difference between pve and pvp here.

Also afaik whirl finisher is bugged atm and doesn’t shoot any projectiles. Haven’t used it since then but as I know ANet it’s still bugged :>

As I said, I want the mesmer to be a class that deals less dmage than the other classes when I focus on interruption and distortion. If I focus on damage I want the mesmer to have on pair damage. Right now the mesmer has the downsides of both ot those options.

Ranger – Staff (confirmed)
Necro – GS (confirmed)
Mesmer – Shield (semi confirmed)
Engi – Hammer (semi confirmed)
Thief – Rifle (probably – lack of 1200 range)
Guard – Longbow (probably – lack of 1200 range)
Warrior – Pistoly (looks at you, Rythlock)
Ele – Sword (lack of cleave, other weapons already taken)

I like it – counterplay and boonstrip buff. +1 anet

I’d go for rifle too since i like to be efficient, even for leveling. But if someone likes the pistol syle it’s totally ok … for leveling (or P/S)

Yup, but you should keep your stats according on the weapons you use. For example if you like the rifle, you should focus on power and precision, whereas if you use 2 pistols, you should go for condition damage.

For leveling it doesn’t matter that much, conditions are great for solo, they kill slower but you are tankier.

Tips to level fast: get a bomb kit! :>

Yea sure, rifle and power is easier but normal = mainstream = booooring :>

It would be nice if using a shatter skill counts as 1 blast finisher at your location. For each illusion would be kinda overkill. It would add some combo field play in both, pve and pvp.

But I’d rather improve the shatter abilities itself than this, or simply add something different to each shatter skill, for example blast finisher to F1, random condition to F2, aoe daze on default at F3 and F4 is pretty fine as it is right now. Oh yea and remove that reduced damage thing – it’s not cool

How about we go back to topic again? :>

It’s hard to balance the mesmer in PvP I have to agree. The all of the sudden burst makes him op when buffed too hard. But isn’t a thieves backstab the same? Yet in PvE he’s simply weak and our class mechanic (shatter) isn’t even used there. And this feels kinda sad. A single iSwordsmen attack outdamages a 3 illusion shatter. I mean wtf… And our poor aa’s… don’t even want to start with it.

The problem is, the mesmer is obviously not strong engouh, but ppl accepted it since release because back then, utility was great because of the lack of skill and knowledge in pve and pvp. But today, an overall buff would certainly result into qq and flame from other classes.

I’ve been mainly playing engineer and mesmer in pvp and all the classes, even necr in pve. Having my main expirience from pve, the mesmer there is just underwhelming. I’ve been playing him for 3000 hours now and my other main became the engineer wich now has his own 1500 hours. Dealing triple damage in cost of having less reflection and no stability, but having other utlities the mesmer hasn’t, sounds so wrong to me. They used to tell us mesmer utlity is the best, yet it isn’t as overwhelming as it should be.

I’d like to see harder hitting utlities, a fearsome chaos storm for example. The cheap solution would be to double the damage of most skills, but yea, that’s not what a mesmer would make awesome. My hope lies in HoT tbh. Change of skills, combo finishers (chaos armor) and defiance. But right now – children who start a new ckitten’t go for mes, just don’t.

You shouldn’t connect “mesmer meta build” with the website “metabattle”. But yea today’s mesmer metas are 44006 shatter with sword+torch or staff and gs.

Jurica.1742:

Only reason to take mesmer into PvP is portal?
Yeah, portal is good, but mesmer has high burst(can 100-0 a guardian)

Maybe if he’s brain afk… The mesmer burst dpends on the enemies armor type, build and stupidity. You can 100-0 other zerks yes, but who else plays zerk in competitive pvp? Thief, another mes and maybe 1500 range away rangers. Yet you won’t burst a thief, since a proper thief will evade ALL your highly predictable skills. A ranger won’t even let you near him or / and has plenty of evade or invuln skills to block the initial burst. Same goes for guard and ele. Necro and war are just unburstable due to their hp pool and all those guys will destroy you after your failed burst. If enemies know the mesmer, if they are at same skill level as you are, they will deny your shatter burst and then either kill you or ignore you when you run away.

Jurica.1742:

, high mobility(say what you want but phase retreat, blink and portal mean mesmer has insane mobility) a high amount of boon rip, excellent stomp/resurrection negation and to that mesmer has Moa which is an instant +1 for your team in a fight.

Mobility =/= save skills. If you blink to get from point A to B, you’re dead to me. Portal, as I said, yes. And PR is sure good for movement too. Boon rip is the best thing we have, but I wouldn’t argue with stomp. Most classes can stomp better than us (more often), resurrection negation yes. Moa … cheesy skill and very unreliable. I admit it’s hard to keep an eye on a mes in a TF, but 3 min cd is also fairly enough. It’s rather personal preference to take this skill I guess and I honestly haven’t used it enough to bring a proper statement.

Jurica.1742:

Slow unless you run traveler, sort of, yes. But traveler doesn’t ruin your damage a lot. It will make a difference of maybe 1 or 2k in a burst and either way a lot of damage when you burst goes wasted because you’ll put in more damage than the enemy has HP.

Good one.

Jurica.1742:

Worst class in PvP? Hell no. All classes are decent in PvP at the moment, each has it’s pro’s and cons. Just because mesmer is harder to play doesn’t mean it’s worse. Mesmer comps are actually a lot better than cele comps but they are much harder to pull off.

“All classes are decent” sounds more like a green peace slogan :P. So if you won’t mess up a single thing and if you hit all your shatter skills, wich is the difficulty about mesmer, then you are on pair with other classes in pvp? Even if I think that’s not even correct, what does this basicly mean? He’s weaker, easier to deny and overall the worst class in pvp. Comon, don’t lie to yourself like a masochist enjoing to play something like that.

Jurica.1742:

Why is mesmer not played a lot? Minimum room for error, extremely unforgiving and takes a lot of time to get good at and then even if you get good, if your team is not supporting you like it should, peeling for you, healing you, cleansing you ect you will be food again, another reason why people don’t like mesmer much. Necro is in a similar spot, very little room for error, more than mesmer but lower mobility, depends on its team a lot too, but then you get a skilled necro like Noscoc on your team, you support him well and he will in a way carry you all. A good necro is devastating for the enemy team. Same goes with mesmer.
Most people play mesmer like it’s a warrior and are because of that food to everyone and then rage and delete the class. It’s a kitten class if you don’t take the time to learn it and if you play it like it shouldn’t be played.

The mesmer is overall just weaker, that’s what you say here. I pretty much support your statement that a good necro carries you around. But a good mesmer? He’s one of those who would like to have such a necro buddy. I don’t say mesmer are useless in PvP. But I say if you would have put so much effort you have put into the mesmer to learn and master in any other class, you would be stronger than you are right now. And this is what bugs me. It’s not like I failed in my mesmer carieer, it’s rather that once you get decent enemies you’ll notice that they know how to deny you and once you start playing like them, you smile at most mesmers.

Well I expected someone like you to show up, but I didn’t expect such a wall’o’text

Jurica.1742:

Woah, woah.. Hold your horses dude.
30% of other classes damage is just such a silly statement. Did you skip math class or are you just hyperboleizing something that’s false at it’s root?

My bad I forgot to mention that this part of my statement goes for pve. I mentioned pvp in the next sentence and somehow forgot to point out the 30% DPS of other classes is what i meant here.

Jurica.1742:

Mesmer has burst, it doesn’t have sustained damage, but all in all it comes around the same. You can do 1k DPS for 10 seconds or you can do 10k DPS every 10 seconds(which is what mesmer does). I put in low figures, mesmer can pull out more if well setup). If you judge a mesmer by it’s sustained damage, then yes. It has bad damage that way. If you judge mesmer by its burst damage, it has insane damage. If you judge a dd ele by its sustained damage, it has good damage. If you judge a dd ele by its burst damage, it has bad damage.

This is what I meant by “You can always sugarcoat the mesmer”. Mesmer has burst? Every class has burst if you play it as a zerk and the mesmer’s is far from insane. Yet the other classes aren’t forced to play zerk because they deal damage without that. Mes doesnt. A none zerk power mesmer doesn’t work because of lack of damage.

Jurica.1742:

Unable to duel anyone at the same skill level? Lolno. Mesmer wins against most classes in 1v1 if you’re not playing it like it’s a warrior and stand on point / don’t kite, abuse LOS & dodge the skills that you need to dodge which most players do which is why it seems like a kitten class. The thing about 1v1s with mesmer is that you should not do them because you can get +1 and die easily if you don’t have the cooldowns to get out of there.

Yea, pretty much unable to duel anyone that has the same skill level as you. If you call dodge as an argument it works vice versa. How will you deal with a thief? You will always die, you can only try to run away as long as you can until someone saves your butt. Rangers? They kill you 1500 range away and channeled abilities deal with stealth, interrupting your heal skill and you’re done. DD Ele? Not enough burst to oneshot them, not nearly engouh dps to duel them. Necro? How do you deal with them without condi cleanse? Same goes for engi, they even simply block your burst whenever they want to. Guard? Tons of blocks and invuln, again -> same skill level, burst denied. Warrior seems the only one you can kite long enough to kill. But until then, he has been sitting on the capture point for so long, the points he earned are so worth it. Be honest to yourself, do you really think you can beat the majority of those classes if they won’t mess up? Really?

Yup, my bad, missed the last part! :<

The pistol is totally fine then, but make sure to go dual pistol and not pistol shield if you play condi, otherwise you will lack too much of damage.

As for skills I suggest you take utilities like the bomb kit, tool kit and rocket boots. Make sure to trait for speedy kits as fast as possible, after that go for bomb radius and burn on crit.

Focus on stats “condition damage > precision”

Here you go:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqalUUpkr9ZxvLseJCbhMqxfsRAA-TRwCAAwDAAA-e

coglin.1867:

I do not belive the OP is a king the question in the context of elitist gameplay though.

There’s a difference between elitist gameplay and proper build + playstyle. I’m just not into petting newbs for semigood stuff. They shall know the truth and decide by themselves.

insanemaniac.2456:

Xyonon.3987:

Yea you can play a condi engi in pve if you want to. But it’s not efficient and ppl hate you for it if you bring it to dungeons or fotm. I’d kick any condi class in my pt if I see one. Same goes for cele.

its prolly ok to not kick a sinister engi.

According to my statement you quotet – no, it’s not.

There were once statistics about wich profession is most and least played. This has been about 1 or 1 1/2 years ago, but yea, I still beleve the mesmer is the least played profession.

Why? Cuz it’s totally underwhelming to deal 30% of the damage other classes do in cost of slightly better utility and beeing unable to duel anyone with the same skill level in pvp. The only reason to take mes into pvp is the portal, to fight 2v1 at point a and then still 4v4 at point b.

Right now the mes is probably the worst class in pvp and the 2nd worst in pve. And wvw? Aslong as you buy a rune that decreases your overall stats compared to other runes just to be able to move faster than a snail – everything’s fine … hehe.

It took me 3’000 hours to realize or rather accept this statement. You can always sugarcoat the mesmer, but in the end you should be honest with yourself and accept how it is.

That’s why I mentioned the 2nd activation, to be able to interrupt enemies with a taunt, but you don’t have to.

dual pistol condi? pvp or wvw? yea possible. pve? instakick.

Yea you can play a condi engi in pve if you want to. But it’s not efficient and ppl hate you for it if you bring it to dungeons or fotm. I’d kick any condi class in my pt if I see one. Same goes for cele.

Fay.2357:

Honestly, taunt on a mesmer is just giving me images of ahri-bursts in LoL. Taunt —> instakill.

You haven’t been playing for a loooong time :>

btt: yea this sounds fun, I bet the decoy gets a taunt on 2nd activation!

Mesmer aren’t squishy. They are average, like ranger or engi. Thief and ele are squishy.

The only thing you have to do is to attack with your aa. If an enemy starts his attack, use skill 2. If skill 2 is on cd, use your offhand sword block (don’t use the block if you have 3 phantasms out, since the block creates a clone wich destroyes a phantasm, wich decreases your dps). If both are on cd, just dodge.

In the end – practice.

Since release: weaker timewarp but less cd on it, aoe mantras, some gs improvement, overall still lowest tier in pve, yet still better than Necro <3

Well we don’t know until at least PAX or release. But I really hope that at least dungeon mobs get some brain update :s

Sadly most dungeon weapons are ugly, ’specially for mes :P

The axe offhand is terrible in pve since it deals not enough damage. It’s only good for tagging mobs at orr train, but that’s it already. They have to buff 5# damage by almost 100% to become viable again. Right now it deals less damage against 5 targets than the axe aa deals damage against 3 targets.

I’m not here to crush your none meta playstyle, I’m a axe lover myself, but you shouldn’t really touch the axe offhand in pve if you want to go to dungeons or fractales with it.

If you want a pure axe build, here is the best one that exist right now:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAn5cjMd09ZlH2eQHagggyYBEAnPhPY6TGEHBA-ThBBABYt/o8DgTCQe6FC4BAUp6PnpEEA-e

You can change tactics V for tactics VI, it really depends on the dungeon / fotm → if you have long skips, go for VI, if you are constantly fighting, go for V so you got a 100% banner uptime.

Sword offhand is only for single target dps increase. You can use shield for some bosses (mai thrin for example) or rifle, or simply use sword + warhorn for skips.

Make sure you won’t interrupt your aa’s last hit, wich is the strongest one. You can interrupt your 2nd chain to get quick to the 3rd wich makes it the strongest AA ingame.

greez!

Ross Biddle.2367:

Levetty.1279:

If anything I would say it is the anti Mesmer. Revenent has had plenty of time to be put together with 3 years of experience in how GW2 is panning out, a very fluid class with lots of interesting and dynamic mechanics and from the sounds of it plenty of support.

Mesmer was the last class introduced and didn’t have time to flesh out before they had to start crunch time to get the game out, it had an interesting idea that is proving not to work in the PvE of the game and is only getting worse as they develop harder pve content, our support consists of feedback bot and we are still waiting for the trait review they said they were going to do back in beta.

Oh but Mesmer is getting yet another off hand weapon now so cool…

PvE is an irrelevant numbers game. Just take the class that produces the best numbers. The rest of the PvE game is the same after that point “Hit monster with big stick!”

I wouldn’t dare to say that until you’ve seen how smart mobs are in HoT. After what I’ve seen from PoI, there are more important stats than just damage now.

You should first try to understand how the game works. Some weapons and utilities are strong in some builds, that’s totally fine. Why should a power weapon be strong for a condition build? Why should all weapons be strong for all builds?

Full zerk or full kitten, it doesn’t really matter that much. But that’s the way to go for pve. For WvW you want to go either for celestial / zerk or rabid / carrion mix.

Since the engineer only needs one weapon and it also grants 10 agony resistance, aswell +5% dmg is far more important than a bit more def, go for an ascended rifle first. I’ve got 2 of them, one zerk with +5% dmg and +7% crit chance on it and one kitten with +5% dmg and +10% dmg at night on it. I suggest to go for the first one first

greez

You can also simply take a look at your wardrobe. Make sure you go to your bank, where you can also see the skins you don’t own yet.

Because boonstrip rips a whole stack of boons from the target. Regardless of 1 or 25 stacks stability, 2 F3 illusions gonna stop that spin. It’s all about the boonstrip trait rather than the daze. Untraited it’s a different story.

yea thieves gonna break stabi whenever they want… kinda silly that change. lets see how it affects pve and pvp.

No they don’t need to, they won’t do it and you simply have to become better. It would be a huge nerf to nades if they did it.

The only buff the tool kit needs is the 3rd aa chain to cleave.

Rockinrobot.8539:

Hammer NO! Make grenades have target lock increase toolkit power and give engineers rifle and pistol weapon switch

This is probably the most horrible idea since the invention of the hobo sack.

@WEXXES: this is since september patch

@Chaith: The visual bug where your back item gets disabled only affects you. My friends in TS still see the back item, wich is very strange. Even after hide and unhide after the first swap it may disappear again. Relogging helps, or simply travel far waypoints – loadingscreen in general.

Those bugs are annoying and they pretty much changed the clipping with the back item totally in the wrong direction. We wanted the back item, now we got the stupid hobo sack. Well – it get’s removed “soon”™ …………………..

Today I started a fractale run with my mes and after the first fractal I switched to my engineer. The sad truth was because I realized, even at fotm 50, the mesmers utility won’t nearly make up the lack of damage. I don’t know why I should go in there with my mes anymore unless just for fun. The damage is just like not even there and I feel any other class would be more useful.

I know that ANet thinks that the high amount of utility comes in cost of low damage, but there is a difference between low damage and ULTRA LOW damage. Even with 2 swordsmen and one warden our damage is below average and most of the time we won’t even keep those phants up. In PvE we are really kinda … well … trash tier.

I always thought different of the mesmer as I’ve only played the mesmer in my old days. It felt great to reflect and see some “kitten 8k crits on swordsmen” … And then you play other classes and face simple skills like engi bomb aa, war axe aa, fire ele staff 1+2, and you realize how weak you are.

I really hope in HoT we get more damge and smarter enemies so we can make use of our utility. Damage is important on EVERY CLASS, regardless of it’s other abilities. Right now I’m very unhappy with my mes, after playing 3000 hours on him it’s kinda sad …

yea this is a known bug – overcharge of ht doesn’t scale with hp