I don’t play quote wars.
Arius, he did, in fact use ad hominem when he completely dismissed a great majority of what the opposition said (which was valid) and I got labeled a whining thief with a god complex. “According to you.” dismisses my arguments because of course I am me. There are also a few other places where he dismisses and starts labeling other commenters in the same way.
I guess you could call it straw man as well.
He does supply argumentation and a little proof to point out that the thief does in fact have the ability to hit high. However the whole point of this thread is to bring to light something people like him have complained about for over a year and instead of coming up with a solution, he would rather see another nerf. That is his conclusion and that is where he ruins it for himself. In which case, I explain that:
1.) He is complaining about high burst on a profession that is supposed to have high burst and that wanting to remove something the thief is supposed to have for the sole reason that the class has it shows that his argument is baseless.
2.) That removing one of the biggest defining factors of this profession is pointless and would be better handled if anet would just deleted the thief outright. That in itself make this thread seem like pointless crying.
3.) The OP has shown they have and will never play a thief. This means that the OP has no knowledge of this profession whatsoever. That is an instant credibility killer.
As for bias, I already pointed it out. It won’t matter what I say to him because in his mind he firmly believes that he is right when in fact he only sees one side. I understand his perspective and understand his pain, but when he refuses to understand exactly why that one incident happened and refuses to listen to people that have experienced it from both sides of the river, that is when someone becomes biased. The fact that the thief bursted him down is established but is not enough reason to nerf the main part of thief burst especially when he fails to see what thieves must do to get to that point. As for the 30k in a matter of seconds, warriors and reportedly guards can do that as well.
“contrary to popular belief…” is a phrase used to signify that whatever someone told you is false. Popular Belief is usually a lie that has been circulated to the point where people will claim its true because a large number of people believe it to be so. Its called Argumentum ad populum, which is currently whats going on in this thread and is no basis for validity.
Someone goes into WvW they get 1-shotted by a thief and ragequit to the forums. Ragequitter sees someone screaming backstab is OP without giving any proof other than a picture of a 5 digit number. Ragequitter believes backstab is OP rather than do research and find out its intended to be so, way more difficult to set up then they think and almost every class can deal that much damage in the same window of time.
That’s what happens when bias and Appealing to the populus comes together. Its called a bandwagon and people ride it because they don’t want to put forth effort to prove they know what they are talking about. Thus their arguments are pushed aside and they are trolled/ignored.
If 1000 people complain about backstab doing too much damage, its a legitimate concern. When a majority of those people are not credible because they refused to do any research and instead jumped on a bandwagon, then a valid ad populum turns into a fallacy and loses cred. That is what’s happening in this case. Reversing my “1000th person to complain” statement will not work here.
As for learning to play, i once had my kitten handed to me by every mesmer out there. So I made a mesmer, leveled it a little bit and suddenly they became easy to handle. I “learned to play” against mesmer. Why can’t he “learn to play” against thieves? It isn’t because he can’t, it is because he refuses to do so which places him on the bandwagon and thus adding another layer of invalidation to his argument.
