One thing to consider in light of the new systems coming into place is how the Theif traditionally received boons in game.
Unlike other classes our weapon sets on their own provide NO sources of boons. We have no warhorn to give might/fury/swiftness or attacks that provide retaliation. Obviously part of the reason for this was so we could not spam said boons due to the INI system albeit some other classes have limited availability on a weapon Auto attack.
Nor do we have much in the way of sources in our Utilities. There no signet of rage that offers might/fury/swiftness or retreat that offers every boon. How we got our boons was through traits such as might on stealth , furious retaliation , and swiftness on a kill.
Many of those sources have been removed and I think that my own major concern.
How will we get boons many of which will be much more easily acquired by other classes? If our sources of swiftness/fury/might/stability and the like much LOWER then other classes does that make our relative spike damage less and our mobility less?
Funny enough, we have pretty good (compared to our other sources) source of boon on S/D via boon stripping –
It’s not that we have lots of access to boons that makes this work… it’s that our enemies have lots of access to boons that this works. Which is pretty troll…
There was a discussion sometime ago how thieves are reliant on the surrounding environment (mainly wvw), well with that they also seem to be reliant on their enemies to get boons (like mesmers if you steal, or those eles if you strip).
Because they are tampering with either stealth or revealed
Anet just delete the class
No other class has restrictions on its defenses
Necro…there is no need for such measures they see it as bug too.
except the bug wouldn’t happen unless they were messing around with stealth mechanics for the future changes…
I doubt this is the “beginning part” of a change it doesn’t add up with anything,maybe a change but not this type.
Yeah… Stuff doesn’t magically break or bug out unless something was done on it or around it.
Elite spec stuff maybe?
I’d argue otherwise. A patch a while ago broke ranger pet passive/active such that all pets would always force-attack anything targeted or attacking the ranger, even if on passive mode. No changes have been made to AI or the ranger as a class since. It took ANet almost six weeks to roll out the solution because they had no idea what was causing the problem. The same issue also happened this patch.
A bad name or pointer can cause all sorts of errors even if in totally unrelated segments of the game.
C/C++/C# problems…
Because they are tampering with either stealth or revealed
Anet just delete the class
No other class has restrictions on its defenses
Necro…there is no need for such measures they see it as bug too.
except the bug wouldn’t happen unless they were messing around with stealth mechanics for the future changes…
I doubt this is the “beginning part” of a change it doesn’t add up with anything,maybe a change but not this type.
Yeah… Stuff doesn’t magically break or bug out unless something was done on it or around it.
Elite spec stuff maybe?
Of all possible slipping bugs I would expect it to be on necro,stealth is becoming more available to other classes and is used actively in group play it throws off too much at least that specific bug. The addition of the reveal trap makes it more unlikely, I don’t see the dungeon skipping argument either we possibly are not getting new dungeons or raids, it can’t be elite elite spec we already main access to stealth I would be disappointed if they mixed us with mesmer at least in more deceptive concept. I’m willing to accept it was a very unintended bug.
Sure, let’s just say they were just refactoring…
Because they are tampering with either stealth or revealed
Anet just delete the class
No other class has restrictions on its defenses
Necro…there is no need for such measures they see it as bug too.
except the bug wouldn’t happen unless they were messing around with stealth mechanics for the future changes…
I doubt this is the “beginning part” of a change it doesn’t add up with anything,maybe a change but not this type.
Yeah… Stuff doesn’t magically break or bug out unless something was done on it or around it.
Elite spec stuff maybe?
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Good idea, actually! Very valid arguments and stuff, it’s just like:
“What mesmer clones broken? Just use stealth – mesmers are designed to stealth and use clones- don’t rely on clones!”
or:
“Longbow broken for ranger? Well, just go melee, rangers are designed to be a ranged and a melee class”
“What? Adrenaline broken? What are you complaining about? Warriors are designed to be tanky and do damage..”
“What Aegis doesn’t work? Use a shield, Guardians are designed to be tanky and protect others, don’t rely on only one of the options!”
“Deathshroud broken? Well you already have got 2 weaponsets – don’t complain, Necros are designed for.. umm..doing damage?”I hope you realize how poor your argumentation is.
And yeah this change completely breaks my build as all of it relies on stealth – might, condi removal, burst – and I don’t think that this is because of my bad descisions but because the traits are designed like this. And if anet wanted to implement a change like this I sure hope they offer a solution/compensation to all what is now bound to stealth.
Ps: Anet please don’t listen to these guys, most of them are rangers in disguise who want thieves to be nerfed, the rest of them is theorycrafters who haven’t played since beta.
Just be thankful your character can still attack, only because it was designed to attack. Lol…
i just respond “lol”
mmhmm
They would never make a specialisation that doesn’t fit at least one mode name are just names, thief couldn’t have gotten traps because we already have them and they will be better after traits changes. Since it’s supposed to be a mix, with thief rifle I expect thief+war.
We’ll get rifle and shouts!
“BOOM! HEADSHOT”-Increase next ranged stealth attack damage by 50%
“NO-SCOOOOOOOOPE”-+50% Crit Chance for 7 seconds
“GET REKT!”-Crit hits apply 1 stack of vulnerability (10 seconds) for the next 10 seconds (no icd). Break stun
“Come at me bro!”- Taunt up to 3 enemies for 3 seconds
I think those would be sufficiently troll-y enough and fitting for the thief.
thieves are already most hated class lol i don’t think they need more help in that department~
We need to get to the point were people will just rage quit when they see us.
Link packet of salt for every response.
oh i need to get one of those…. what about bag of cumin?
I’ve actually upgrade to a stack of runes of rage to PM people. Is it 17g I wasted? Yes. Is it worth every penny? Also yes.
Yeah… at that point the packet of salt/stack of runes, at least I, they would probably clue in that you’re trolling them…
Rather carry on the conversation with:
“mmhmm”
“yup”
“that’s cute”
“you sound mad, you okay?”
“mmhhmmm”
“bombastic”
“yup”
“enjoy your day!”
<who the hell did i just talk to?>
A sniper with a long bow?
(Again, we’re under the assumption that no two class can get the same weapon, but that’s an assumption.)
Also, it probably won’t be named sniper. Something like “Marksman”…. sniper is too modern.
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Guys, it’s just stealthed.
God kitten it maug… you stole that from me…
Why couldn’t you have let it play a bit further.
True troll right there ladies and gents.
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Guess this thread is rekt.
Very much so….
:D Still got 2 people though…
Just someone had to ruin it….
Guys, it’s just stealthed.
God kitten it maug… you stole that from me…
Why couldn’t you have let it play a bit further.
I still can’t find it. More direct link please?
A more direct link? What do you mean? … it points to the official GW2 twitter…
He’s trolling lol
Right… Or you just didn’t clear your cache.
Now that the artwork has been revealed on their twitter, showing our most anticipated weapon in the picture…
Are you guys happy?
:D Thought I would be the first to make one of those spec-discussion threads…
Do you guys see the thief’s elite spec art post?
Think people will like the weapon…
well what you can take from necro preview is that they changed most classes F1 abilities…. i guess steal got something new?
It will now be “Give”:“Give a lootbag to the target”
oh man, new form of farming: make a lot of thieves, go to private arena, spam give on each other o.o
:D Oh and the fine print to that ability is that what you suggest is bannable.
well what you can take from necro preview is that they changed most classes F1 abilities…. i guess steal got something new?
It will now be “Give”:“Give a lootbag to the target”
well i joined :P what now
Now you wait. Soon™ something will happen.
Neither of you will be accepted to my guild, as you fail to meet two (maybe 3) of the prerequisites. I’m sorry, and perhaps in the future you will meet those requirements and then I will honor you both with guild invites.
Okay.
:|
I don’t mind that.
Thanks for supporting this guild though, by giving the post free bumps.
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but i am not even a guy D8
You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.beware of scary wood thing!!!
hai potato!
D: That’s not black, you look dark purple. Dark purple straight log.
actually it is black..<_< well the blackest sylvari can get
:o NOPE.
Had to check myself… That’s the “Night” color, there’s “Blackstone” which is pure black without other color.:D But the nice part is, since you’re a log, if we burn you a bit…
actually i checked it, i have blackstone selected :P
night is way lighter
reason why it looks like this is lighting in hotm
>.> if you say so…
This is my potato (wish there were more full face mask/helms):
why do i think about darth vader?
Don’t know, I guess the helm. Not exactly what I was going for but yeah…
Too far fetched to believe.
but i am not even a guy D8
You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.beware of scary wood thing!!!
hai potato!
D: That’s not black, you look dark purple. Dark purple straight log.
actually it is black..<_< well the blackest sylvari can get
:o NOPE.
Had to check myself… That’s the “Night” color, there’s “Blackstone” which is pure black without other color.:D But the nice part is, since you’re a log, if we burn you a bit…
actually i checked it, i have blackstone selected :P
night is way lighter
reason why it looks like this is lighting in hotm
>.> if you say so…
This is my potato (wish there were more full face mask/helms):
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Funny thing is, when it’s thief’s week, people will be QQ’ing and saying how there’s no counters…
Man, I can’t wait for the thief’s reveal just because of the tears…
They should have done thief first so they could hand hold people through their new abilities to counter thief’s new abilities.
“BUT WHAT DO I DO WHEN I CAN”T SEE HIM!?!?!?!"
-.-’
Pretty sure, if there’s still QQ’ers 2-3 years later… there’s just no hope for them.
but i am not even a guy D8
You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.beware of scary wood thing!!!
hai potato!
D: That’s not black, you look dark purple. Dark purple straight log.
actually it is black..<_< well the blackest sylvari can get
:o NOPE.
Had to check myself… That’s the “Night” color, there’s “Blackstone” which is pure black without other color.
:D But the nice part is, since you’re a log, if we burn you a bit…
but i am not even a guy D8
You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.beware of scary wood thing!!!
hai potato!
D: That’s not black, you look dark purple. Dark purple straight log.
but i am not even a guy D8
You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.
Funny thing is, when it’s thief’s week, people will be QQ’ing and saying how there’s no counters…
Man, I can’t wait for the thief’s reveal just because of the tears…
Can we make a thief guild that has really really specific prerequisites?
-Must be Thief
-Must be Charr
-Must be Gay or at least Bi
-Must have “Lion Mane” hairstylePST for invite.
i am a black log (aka sylvari), pretty straight…. and already invited to the guild—- what now!?
You’re an exception for Turk to have fun with…
Can we make a thief guild that has really really specific prerequisites?
-Must be Thief
-Must be Charr
-Must be Gay or at least Bi
-Must have “Lion Mane” hairstylePST for invite.
:| That’s really specific.
Can we be unknown?
eh fc died due to drama… will probably happen the same to this guild if it was ever started
Well partially…
Maybe it was also because the main guy suffered from sort of mental disorder causing himself to see an imaginary friend?
Hopefully the leader of this guild doesn’t have that problem, or even if he does it might be tough to tell since it’s online.
Maybe it was also because they killed someone and kidnapped his girlfriend (or whoever she was to him…)?
Well… let’s not do that.
Generally guilds do die to drama, it’s like one of the natural causes of death for guilds.
so like
what is the point of the guild..<_<?
Don’t we love each other and want to be in a guild togather?
I don’t know yet…
This should turn into something like the Fight Club, except with thieves.
TEEEEEF OOOO PEEEEH
(free bumps)
Might have some helpful info:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Advice-List/first
Whatever it is, I can already see, QQ posts on Thursday when they post the blog and more QQ posts on Friday when they do a stream of it. Hell, it might even start on Monday when they see the picture/art. (Whenever that is.)
It’s going to be delicious…
When people trash talk the best thing you can do is just reply with “ok” to everything they say. I learned this from a guildmate and it works wonders.
Sounds like a good trick. I’ll try that for when I forget my offline.
Make sure to say “that’s cute” or just “cute” every so often.
I usually am very polite than add “kiddo” at the end.
Sometimes I would ask them how they feel, are they mad, and if they’re okay.
When people trash talk the best thing you can do is just reply with “ok” to everything they say. I learned this from a guildmate and it works wonders.
Sounds like a good trick. I’ll try that for when I forget my offline.
Make sure to say “that’s cute” or just “cute” every so often.
Reaper got necro/war (it can’t be necro/guard), so no to thieves getting shouts or stances,also guardian got mixed with ranger so let’s eliminate utilities already used by other specializations and prof used as mixed already war,ranger,necro.
Next most likely choice is probably thief/engi not with kits but gadgets.
Yeah that’s what I’ve noticed too, they’re recycling other class’ stuff into elite specs themed as the targeted class. It’s not really surprising, it is a lot less work to do and still yields a decent result.
So yeah:
Gadgets or something (nades?) – from engies
Shadow clones – from mesmers
“Stolen” (conjured) weapons – from ele
Stances/Trances/Meditations – from warrior (still up for grabs?)
And,
??? – from revenant
I’m guessing some other class will get something from the thief… shadowsteps? on a warrior? (lol…) maybe ele? (comes out of the ground, strikes down with the lighting, a flame bursts out of thin air, or a tornado’s in out of nowhere).
It is amazing how still to this day, when asked for a personal account of their adventures as an overpowered kill machine when they play their Thieves, these thief-complainers have nothing to say…
Because, they’re too honest and have too much pride to stoop to our lowly level and use something so cheap, cheesy, dirty, OP, and challenge-less that it would tarnish their crystal clear morals – it just disgusts them to even think about it.
Well that’s at least one reason/theme why some don’t. I like to think that their character slots are full and yeah, aint no one gonna delete a char to try something that some whiteknight said. Or just that they just discard the advice to roll a thief and try it out because it was probably said by a whiteknight.
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When they finally reach across the table for the release date note.
After reading the linked post I feel violated.
They tell you they can’t bother with a large % of the game because there isn’t challenge, and then you read what they would change to make challenge.
Kitten transcends all barriers and space-time.
Well, the way I understand it is that he wants the thieves to have the challenge.
Actually, maybe this misunderstanding is due to the linguistic barrier…
Can you imagine just how much better his logic probably sounds in French? As English is not his native tongue, his English-arguments that sound borderline insane and poorly thought probably sound incredibly eloquent and well put in French.
Not joking or poking fun, as he knows +1 more languages than I do, and I definitely respect that.
Perhaps. But I think you’re writing off a little too much.
It’s not only his arguments, it’s also what he wants or sees as balanced/fixed, take for example his suggestions for trait remakes:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/page/10#post5034123
I don’t think a switch between languages would make them any better….
Doesn’t make sense.
If they fix it, sure we will be like “wow it took you 2 years to fix it…” but over time we will just drop that.
If they don’t fix it. “wow they aint doing kitten/not listening/blind”, and it won’t be dropped since the problem will still exist.
Even if say I, yolo, turk, and you (OP) stop saying it… doesn’t mean new people won’t come along and see the issue for the first time and complain for their first time…
" Worry is rust upon the blade "
Not sure what you mean by that…
But I guess if the blade is stuck in you, thus going to rust in you eventually, and you’re worried about pulling it out… Yeah I could agree…
" Put a Band-Aid on it (instead of fully treating the injury) "
Well… It kind of works like that and kind of doesn’t. As in with enough nerfs, surely, 99% of the people will find the class “counterable” or easier to deal with… Though there still remains that 1%. Kind of like those antiseptic wipes you use to clean things with, kills 99% of the germs! (Leaves the 1% to kill you!
– or maybe they’re harmless who knows, I haven’t died yet).
" You cannot run away from your problems. A problem is a problem until you get to the root of the problem "
" Stop Fixing the Symptoms…Find the Root Cause Instead "
Oh man, couldn’t agree with you more man. Though sometimes when you’re trying too hard to find the problem, that very well may be the problem and is causing you not to see things clearly. That or you might not be looking at all the places.
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Nerf: Zero day.2594
Why: This thread is the only reason to visit the thief forum.
Suggested nerf: reduce posting’s 33 or 50% (number’s generated by arena net)
Oh they have, through infractions and flood control, I once had to wait 30 minutes between posts. But that was alleviated for some reason
. Did I learn my lesson? Yes. If I have something mean to say, think about it, and rephrase it in a way that the idiot won’t understand.
Which one of you designers thought this garbage up? Not someone who plays thief, that’s for sure. Bottom line: NOT FUN.
I believe a part of how this issue got in is that the “Revealed” effect didn’t always exist. At least that’s how I remember it. Used to be only duration and attacking were concerns. But I don’t think the trait has been touched even once despite the penalty addition.
Yeah. Except, pretty sure we’ve been crying about it ever since. O wells.
Plot twist,
It’s a thief with a greatsword, and their new mechanic is “Disguise”.
You’re really going to suggest the person WITHOUT stealth has any leverage against the invisible guy with “mind games”? Come on man… You’re just being silly now…
Nobody said you weren’t going to work for your kill.
<uninstalls the game> WTF kind of game is this?!?!
Welcome to Dark Souls Wars 2.
I thought this was Hello Kitty Online. kitten it, been wasting my time… Peace guys!
That’s one twisted definition of pay to win…
Technically, since I’m paying for my food and thus staying alive and being able to GW2, I’m paying to win over someone that can’t do that… Yup, legit. GW2 p2w confirmed.