Guild Wars 2

From all the info given so far about the game, I personally don’t feel like it’s worth $50.

That and some of the decisions they’re making:

- Recent news of the difference between ascended and exotics becoming 5% instead of 10%. I never liked your decision in implementing it in the first place, increasing it further… ha… if that wound finally sealed up for me, you’ve managed to rip it open and spry extra bit of salt on it.

- Holding sales a of couple times, selling the game for ~$10 to attract a crowd. Then putting up kitten for the expansion with the core game for “free”… yeah… brilliant move (sarcasm). The only way you can escape this one is by saying, “Oh yeah we only did this for E3, here’s the expansion w/o the core game”, and even then… why not hold yet another sale having gw2 for $10 and the expansion for $20-$30. The way you’ve done it now is just sleazy, even if you later on release a core-less expansion bundles.

Feel free to infract/ban me, that will just nail the coffin of me not ever buying it.

Malediktus.3740:

10% is still miniscule
10% more stats on ascended wont make you 10% more powerful, since a huge part of your stats come from the 1000 baseline anyway.

I’m guessing you’re still wearing yellows? For the same reason… since I mean, the difference between yellows and exotics is miniscule…

Originally by: Fay.2357

What: Withdraw
Why: The problem is that withdraw is a heal with zero counterplay. Literally the only way to interrupt it would be to put a static field/line of warding/ring of warding/ unsteady ground behind the thief, and hope they’re dumb enough to withdraw into it. Even then, I think the heal applies instantly, so they’d just not roll back the full distance.
Suggesstion: It needs a real cast time, not a ’I’m evading, just thought I’d let you know how long I’m evading for’ cast time.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Why-no-nerf-on-withdraw/first#post5154508

Originally by: ImdA.4701

What: Withdraw
Why: Please, can someone tell me why devs decided to nerf Consume Condition hard and to buff Withdraw, which is obviously the strongest heal IG by far ?
It’s such a ridiculous idea, Consume Condi was balanced enough (due to a pretty long casting time). Withdraw is just unblockable 15s CD heal.
Sorry dear devs, but that’s kinda stupid.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Why-no-nerf-on-withdraw

Same, I’m not buying it for $50.
Drop the core game from those bundles and drop the prices as well, then I will probably buy it (unless you keep it at $40-50).

Hahah.. plus with the recent ascended gear changes you guys made (5% – > 10% stat difference), I’m even more turned off supporting this game.

Wait till we get our elite spec revealed… already parked two trucks by the forums to collect all the tears… pfft buckets…

Geiir.7603:

Zero Day.2594:

Burning….

Yeah. Zergs running with burning builds, apply 5 second burn of 10 stacks = dead anything xD

:D One zerg dies and the other loses 3/4 of itself due to burning ticks….

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Wishes are coming true!

You guys better still be playing this game.

sad, isn’t (it)? the bias is so unreal… i don’t think i ever got trolled so hard before and i played quite few games in the past lol

on the bright side i caaaaan’t wait to see all those tears from people crying about s/d…. people think stealth is bad? they didn’t face real monster in masses yet xD

Jana.6831:

But I love ma backstabbing teef and he’s about to die…

Hey, the forum bug has been fixed..

Yeah… Now it will be (moreso) perma-evade OP… That and I don’t think P/D took a hit… so yeah…. They asked for it.

O well…As fun as the PvP (WvW/sPvP) is in this game, I personally can’t take it seriously :/

Curious to see the Warrior’s elite spec and the Revenant’s elite spec…

And I also doubt there will be a re-work of these announced changes, considering the patch is next week and E3 is happening.

Oh and guys, wait until the flying turrets are revealed for the engie elite spec…

Again I fail to see how this is a question type thread…

AikijinX.6258:

Jana.6831:

AikijinX.6258:

I Hope the CnD change is not affected in WvW. Cloak An Dagger: This ability has been un-split and its damage normalized. Damage of this ability has decreased by ~17% in PvE and increased by 25% in PvP.

What does unsplit mean in that context?

Who knows

Pretty sure WvW is considered PvE… as in they share the changes.

Cynz.9437:

ukuni.8745:

as an engineer i can say dont worry to much, if an engineer wants to give up swiftness just to counter you then just run away because hes not going to catch you anytime soon, that aside lets take another look at that trait, its a passive proc that activates when it hits an enemy in stealth, its going to be pritty easy for yas to counterplay that assuming they take it which is a pritty big if.

if i were you guys id be more worried about engineers taking runes of air with medkit so they have perma swiftness and all the on proc traits they can get so when you do backstab them you kill yourself literally.

essentially if you guys keep playing the way you do then you wont have to worry about this trait, except for occasional 1v1 hero.

the problem is not 1v1 really… you shouldn’t 1v1 engi as thief anway

the problem with that particular trait it removes team support thief would bring to team… no refuge, no 50% dmg redux for teammates :|

Plot twist:
Thief’s rifle spec is a full support spec
:D

(fml)

Oh man…. wonder when people will start saying it’s unfair that only engineer got that kind of trait and trying to convince others that their prof needs one too.

Wishes are coming true!

You guys better still be playing this game.

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

but guyz
teef still opeez
teef evade all ma ataks steeel

give it another 6 months and engis will get trait that will allow them to hit through evades xD

AND
Applies “exhaustion” – “Can’t dodge roll or evade for X seconds”.

Btw I can’t seem to find the thief changes… can someone hook a link please.

Burning….

but guyz
teef still opeez
teef evade all ma ataks steeel

Solori.6025:

Daniel Handler.4816:

Solori.6025:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Please don’t apologize.
The problem isn’t about how difficult it is to play a thief.

The problem is a Master thief vs a Master [insert any class here] is going to be advantage to the thief, with the exception of a Master Guardian.

Of all the classes, a Master level Thief holds the advantage.
Only a Master level Guardian can proudly say that they have the edge over a Master level thief.

Thieves are OP to every other class except Guardian.

All classes under the control of superb Master level players, Thief comes out on top in every encounter except vs Guardians.

Of the 3 or 4 thieves I defeated in the video below, do you know that I would have died to thieves 30 or 40 times in the same period.

I am not a Master level Necro, but those thieves that killed me were not Master level thieves either. Thieves just hold too many cards against every class except Guardians.

Thats actually incorrect.

Coming from a mesmer PoV,I have actually watched most thieves fail against survival rangers, cele’s and cele engies. I have watched in a vacuum thieves do wonderful and horrible things to mesmer’s, warriors and especially necro’s. And I have seen them fail just as hard vs warriors, ele’s,ranger’s, mesmer’s, and engies.

Haven’t seen to many good necro’s in T2 as of late. Maybe they are all running around in EU :I or a zerg

No, no. We must base the game on vacuums. You would think when the concept of conditions would enter one’s mind when we discuss optimal conditions, but no.

But conditions are never consistent and do not help us accurately describe how totally OP the thief is.
SO we discuss vacuums instead, cause it’s easier.
I know this , our lord and crusader dark taught me.

In a vacuum against critters, typically squirrels… That’s the only way to balance a thief.

Keep practicing though…
In my opinion S/D is one of the easier ones… well …

That was just a concept sketch if you will… Within it you could also add in power builds and condi builds in a similar fashion.

As for people complaining less and less – that won’t happen.

Thanks Lyrsen!

MrForz.1953:

Forum war at its finest.

This is nothing compared to what the “Profession Balance” forum had.

EremiteAngel.9765:

…
The problem is a Master thief vs a Master [insert any class here] is going to be advantage to the thief, with the exception of a Master Guardian.

…

Congrats! You’ve found a class that counters the thief, in this rock-paper-scissors game. Or do you want both rock and paper to beat scissors?

Ideally something like this should be balanced, or at least one variation of balance:
Heavy class kills Medium class,
Medium class kills Light class,
Light class kills heavy class.

Then since there’s (going to be) 3 profs per armor class, you can do something like:
Guardian hard counters thief – soft counters other mediums,
Thief hard counters mesmer – soft counters other lights,
Mesmer hard counters guardian – soft counters other heavies.

Among each armor class you can then do something like (medium for instance):
Thief soft counters ranger,
Ranger soft counters Engineer,
Engineer soft counters thief.

That’s the rock-paper-scissor way of balancing.

This is just a concept, and not actually implemented in the game. Just a kittening idea, don’t jump at me saying that it’s not true – I know that.

How/why is this a question type thread…?

0.5/10 for the troll attempt. Only gave 0.5 for trying.

Th answer is just one that the OP agrees the most with, not an actual correct answer – and there can’t be a correct answer for what the OP posted/asked.

This is more of discussion thread. Should either be switched to one, or closed.

yolo swaggins.2570:

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.” ~Harlan Ellison

Just because someone feels something needs to be nerfed doesn’t mean it needs to be nerfed. Anet is not going to listen to these requests anymore because thieves can just reroll to another profession like before. And that’ll look bad on their numbers.

If by numbers you mean gem and/or HoT box/key sales numbers, then yes.

I would kind of guess (or at least hope) that they have a way to figure out how many active (however you manage to define what “active” is) thieves are out there, what percentage of the total active population… And until that precentage reaches a certain threshold (oh I don’t know … below 5%?), I doubt that they will give a flying kitten about why there aren’t many of that class being played.

Who knows the percentage it is right now…

Considering it’s 8 profs right now, in an ideal/perfect environment where every prof is played equally, each prof would have 12.5% of the (active – however you manage to define that) population, once revenant comes out it will be 11.11% … Last infographic (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-the-first-year/) showed the lowest percentage to be 10% (not certain if active, or just created)… so yeah… if they’re going off those same numbers, GW2 world is/was in a pretty cheery place.

*Yawn *

Did you roll a thief yet?

DarkSyze.8627:

Zero Day.2594:

@DarkSyze

Make a thief, actually play it for about a month in all possible scenarios (pve, spvp, wvw).
Then come back to this forum and be taken just a bit more seriously.
Till then, you’re on par with the trolls/QQ’ers.

Or

Continue to QQ/“provide evidence” and be taken like an idiot.

Choice is yours.

---

To everyone feeding DarkSyze…

:| You guys are wasting your time.

Amusing to watch/read from afar, but waste of time.

2 years++ players including thief players and Arena net are trolls, idiots: bad name ?

Yes! Even Arena net say that thief is concern, so Arena net still trolls, bad name like these players include me?

" The problem is not about “QQ” it is about Arnena net not make serious change with Thief Profession and Igrnoring Players Feedback to make thief profession challenging, fun, hard-work, make effort and risk-reward "

Try to understand that!

It is not hard Zero Day

Even the Thief Nerf List show evidence of Thief being problematic:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/page/11#post5143477

You’ve admitted that you don’t have a thief.
You can’t say ANYTHING. And “supporting” other’s that have +2 years playing thiefs… You have no place in doing so without trying your hand at it first (playing a thief).

YOU will not be taken seriously before you try it yourself.
They (+2 years exp), might or might not have been taken seriously (well more seriously than you’re being taken right now) – BUT YOU won’t be until you try.

Yes, I’m directly attacking you.

Not sure how else to explain it to you buddy.

Every wonder why the devs play all the profs?

@DarkSyze

Make a thief, actually play it for about a month in all possible scenarios (pve, spvp, wvw).
Then come back to this forum and be taken just a bit more seriously.
Till then, you’re on par with the trolls/QQ’ers.

Or

Continue to QQ/“provide evidence” and be taken like an idiot.

Choice is yours.

To everyone feeding DarkSyze…

:| You guys are wasting your time.

Amusing to watch/read from afar, but waste of time.

How do you guys still not consider him (Peow) a troll.

I’m a bit shocked if you guys can’t see it….

Keitaro Dragonheart.9047:

….
I actually LEARN and IMPROVE. -gasp-

What’s the point? It’s easier to cry and get things fixed for you, that way you never have to stress yourself.

Might be of some help:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Advice-List/first

lol….

Originally by: Coronit.9432:

What: Peow peow´s thief
Why: He seems to be so overpowered contrary to everyone else. Its unfair. He oneshots everything while in stealth, evading and being invincible. And not forgetting that all of his ports are always working (to close for steal ftw).
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5138204

Coronit.9432:

Zero Day.2594:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Hey guys. Nerf thief cause I said it.

I play ranger and they hit me too hard

so… yeah

EDIT: Oh Dark is actually giving it a try?

My interest is piqued. Very much so.

Good enough reason… added to nerf wish list!

;D

Here we go.
Pls nerf Peow peow´s thief (if he has one?). He seems to be so overpowered contrary to everyone else. Its unfair. He oneshots everything while in stealth, evading and being invincible. And not forgetting that all of his ports are always working (to close for steal ftw).

But seriously where have you been? Banned from forum?
I´m never sure if you are a troll or a thief player being annoyed about all the complaining —-> making ridiculous complain-posts

DarkSyze.8627 never even played thief? Oh sweet irony.
Pls make me the favor and play against decent players. (no, uplevels don´t count)

:D Any nerf is a good request for the nerf wish list… So I will be adding yours.

I’m not sure either. Well I do have some idea of what I am, though who knows how you guys perceive me. Though, I can say this much, I’m not annoyed by the complaining, rather amused… And yeah I haven’t been banned, maximum I’ve got was infracted to the point of having a flood control of 30 minutes (currently sitting at 120 seconds). Also, I hope you’re not offended by me adding your post to the wish list, I get that it’s a joke.

:D As for DarkSyze, I think I “won” that conversation with him. Kind of interested in him making a thief and actually trying to play it for a month or so – not like, make it, go a couple of matches, then come back and say “OH I WON A MATCH, SO OP”…. no… actually play it for like a solid month, doing pve wvw and spvp, then share his experience…

Originally by: Azure The Heartless.3261

What: Thief
Why:
Hey guys. Nerf thief cause I said it.
I play ranger and they hit me too hard
so… yeah
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5136244

:P

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Hey guys. Nerf thief cause I said it.

I play ranger and they hit me too hard

so… yeah

EDIT: Oh Dark is actually giving it a try?

My interest is piqued. Very much so.

Good enough reason… added to nerf wish list!

;D

Four hundred stacks of bleeds…. will generate four hundred stacks of tears! Can’t wait…

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

RedSpectrum.1975:

This thread still exists? Clearly it represents the embers left after a flame has tried to been stamped out, like the thief community, therefore it needs to be nerfed, you thieves deserve nothing, not even the leather on your filthy backs

That is more than likely to happen when they’re done dicing up our stolen items.

Heh… Yeah I was thinking of taking this “thread” and making it into a website+app… which will be away from ANet’s reach… Plus that way I can edit/clean things up…(as in formatting/preventing derailment… so on) – Also correlate to how many changes have been made that have satisfied/partially satisfied a request. Generate word clouds (should be fun…)… get a list going for montages/“OP” videos (like that mlg no scope 360 range kill). At the very least crawl this thread and save it…. so i can parse it later… oh man… ideas keep coming, make a web crawler that looks for the words “thief” and “nerf”… Provide stats on how many nerfs/buffs/neutral changes have been made…

All that wrapped up in a troll/humorous theme.

at the same time, i doubt it will be used/visited much…. as in a minority come to the forums and a fraction of them might go to the site.

lol, each request is worthy of comic strip at least.

Fanart/comic linking to a post… great idea

Sir Vincent III.1286:

RedSpectrum.1975:

This thread still exists? Clearly it represents the embers left after a flame has tried to been stamped out, like the thief community, therefore it needs to be nerfed, you thieves deserve nothing, not even the leather on your filthy backs

That is more than likely to happen when they’re done dicing up our stolen items.

Heh… Yeah I was thinking of taking this “thread” and making it into a website+app… which will be away from ANet’s reach… Plus that way I can edit/clean things up…(as in formatting/preventing derailment… so on) – Also correlate to how many changes have been made that have satisfied/partially satisfied a request. Generate word clouds (should be fun…)… get a list going for montages/“OP” videos (like that mlg no scope 360 range kill). At the very least crawl this thread and save it…. so i can parse it later… oh man… ideas keep coming, make a web crawler that looks for the words “thief” and “nerf”… Provide stats on how many nerfs/buffs/neutral changes have been made…

All that wrapped up in a troll/humorous theme.

at the same time, i doubt it will be used/visited much…. as in a minority come to the forums and a fraction of them might go to the site.

That’s great, you can put those $100 towards renting a place right beside the server.

Originally by: ZeftheWicked.3076

What: Thieves need a fix, a-net.
Why: Shadowstepping. Stealth not removed when blocked or evaded, basilisk venom piercing stability, phletora of instant casts including a heal skill that breaks movement inpairment and has massive evade, initiative unaffected by chilling or interrupt induced skill cooldown.
So where exactly is the room for “skilled counter gameplay” against a thief who knows his stuff in pvp? Cause so far all i see is the “hold the point and survive for as long as possible”.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Thieves-need-a-fix-a-net

:| Honestly, I’m slightly lazy and not really going to read this post in it’s entirety…

But yeah, could you please submit your nerf requests on this forum post, specifically made for nerf requests:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/

Originally by: Ragnarox.9601

What: Steal
Why: in HoT guardians do not have any daze so its not right to steal something that guardians do not have. You can’t steal money from someone who don’t even have it.
Suggestion: remove stealing daze from guardians
Thread:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/F2-button-for-Stolen-Item-skill-usage/page/3#post5131157

Drennon.7190:

Zero, check out the guardian forum. Multiple threads are crying that thief is too strong against guardian..

You guys are allowed to post those requests like I’ve been doing as well…
Just follow the format, look at the examples (Originally by/What/Why/Suggestion (if any)/Thread).

I’m going to start looking through and see if I can find them…
Can’t be bothered going through that thread, too much clutter. Feel free to add their “requests” here though if you’ve been following them along.

Cynz.9437:

sandy is that you o.o?

Sanduskels ?!?! WHERE!?! did Burnfall come back too? Do we need more popcorn?!?!

@DarkSyze

Please consider rolling a thief and playing it for like a month.

Originally by: Peow peow.2189

What: Thiefs
Why: First of all, there is more then one build that gaurantees win on thief.

As an experiment myself and 4 friends all qued up in spvp kitten d/d thiefs. We roamed the map in groups of 2 with 1 guy holding home and literally 1sec comboed the enemiy team. Players were disconnecting because what we were doing was unstoppable, and simply overpowered.

Sure at the moment you dont see thief picked up in every battle, but give it a month and people will start noticing how strongly buffed the class has become in comparison to others, over the last few patches.

With these changes made, we have a more balanced meta with thiefs becoming a more challenging class to play, instead of the insta-win they are at the moment.

Suggestion:The first thing that must be done if we wish to have a good game, is to cut all weapon evades from the thief class, as they currently have enough evades through dodge rolls and utilities, as well as vigor.

The second step to making a more balanced thief, is to give each class that isn’t a thief a new ability. This ability will counter stealth for a few seconds. Lets say the thief is DP and spamming powder/heart seeker or DD with CnD. Well stealth lasts up to 5 – 10 sec, therefore we make a skill that reveals invisible units for 4 seconds on a 20 second cooldown. This skill will be called eye seeker and a hard counter to perm stealth builds. Every class but thief will have this as an optional utility.

The last step to rid the game of this Overpowerd character and to balance the class, would be to scale attack speed according to enemy armour. The thief currently puts out to much damage to fast, with a quick attack speed and 100% crits with hidden killer. If an enemy has high armour, the thief will then be dealt a frost effect after hitting from stealth, this effect would reduce attack speed per strike. The effect will stack up to 4 times, reducing attack speed by 25% each stack.

Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5129370

Peow peow.2189:

…
As an experiment myself and 4 friends all qued up in spvp kitten d/d thiefs. We roamed the map in groups of 2 with 1 guy holding home and literally 1sec comboed the enemiy team. Players were disconnecting because what we were doing was unstoppable, and simply overpowered.
…

Are you sure it wasn’t their connection…? It would explain a lot of things…

Peow peow.2189:

Sure at the moment you dont see thief picked up in every battle, but give it a month and people will start noticing how strongly buffed the class has become in comparison to others, over the last few patches.

It’s already been a couple months since the last balance patch. So…? I don’t exactly want to hold my breath, just like I don’t want to hold my breath for you learning to play – it’s been 3 years?

Peow peow.2189:

With these changes made, we have a more balanced meta with thiefs becoming a more challenging class to play…

Oh definitely.
By the way, the plural form of thief is thieves.

Cynz.9437:

i just had an idea…. we should invite darksyze, lordosky (or w/e his name is) and co.

That, would be very interesting….

I was under the impression that they were using a completely different engine.

(Also hence no capes, except for but-capez)