Guild Wars 2

Maybe it will be the “Shadow Form”… grants you unlimited dodges for X seconds OR grants you X amount of toughness for Y seconds OR deal X% less damage while in the form but take Y less damage.

If it is a staff… (just ripping off other games here… you know monks…) perhaps we will get something like the ele’s F-keys, where we would go into an attunement…

I, personally would like the F-key to be “Win”, makes this nice animation of “YOU WIN” that looks like a firework parade and then logs you out – so you know, you can go and play other games since you just won the game. It will make me feel even better getting my daily log in reward (see attached).

Who. Knows.

MrForz.1953:

Zero Day.2594:

Well, at least it’s not just “Staff”… kinda like you know… the “Forge”….

We like our “Forge”, thank you very much.

Do you like swords being put into and taken out of you? Because you know…. forges… make swords… yup.

Well, at least it’s not just “Staff”… kinda like you know… the “Forge”….

Selver.1307:

I love math, the last time I added 1 + 1 on my thief it was a grand total of 3! More bang for my buck let me tell ya.

:/ Wow, even math is broken on the thief…

Guess I haven’t played in so long that the thief can’t even do simple addition. Probably needs to help someone else do the math.

:P Don’t worry buddy, I’m staying cheerful and optimistic, in other games.

jheryn.8390:

Sagat.3285:

jheryn.8390:

Gabriell.4856:

jheryn.8390:

GROAN. Who really cares when a class gets revealed? Does it ultimately matter? One class has to be first and one has to be last. Why look for a conspiracy?

These kinds of threads are dumb but inevitable. If Warrior or Ele were last we would have conspiracy threads like, “Ele and Warrior not revealed until last because they are are going to nerf the big damage classes.”

It does to me when you look at their balancing cycle which is 6 months for major updates. It may be fine with you but for others 6 months is a bit too long to wait.

So which classes do you think should have been the last revealed? No matter what you say there are hordes of people who will disagree with you.

Revenant.

As I said, no matter what you name, there will be people who disagree with you.

So saying Revenant is fine, but it isn’t any better than any of the other choices.

That’s not disagreeing, that’s agreeing.

Girbilcannon.8259:

I’m still team Dual-Wield-Shield. Oh the chaos we could bring

It would still be reliant on stealth and evades

Advent.6193:

Zero Day.2594:

Jana.6831:

Sandrox.9524:

it wouldnt be staff it would be offhand hammer

Kitten, now I have to decide between Team GS and Team Offhand Hammer

;) Go with team GS, and be part of the master race (Guards, Warriors, and now Reapers).

You forgot the other -and mad stylish- member of Team Greatsword. Y’know, Mesmers?

:P I just couldn’t see them.

ronpierce.2760:

You played a thief and are upset that your best role is adding pressure for your distracting buddies? Think about how thief has worked in previous games. What do you expect? It IS a role, whether you like the role or not. If you expect to expand to other roles, you’d simply have to do so in such a way that reduces the value of the thief’s mobility and +1 capabilities (diversity, not removing it).

Or re-roll. Forgot that one.

Jana.6831:

Sandrox.9524:

it wouldnt be staff it would be offhand hammer

Kitten, now I have to decide between Team GS and Team Offhand Hammer

;) Go with team GS, and be part of the master race (Guards, Warriors, and now Reapers).

Cynz.9437:

Sagat.3285:

Cynz.9437:

Lol my guess is they are trying to ruin every single build thieves currently have so players actually would have to run new spec thus forced to buy xpac….. dirty tactics, pathetic~

If reliable cleansing and endurance(not vigor) regen is found in the new line I’ll believe you.

we will see

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3hde8l/data_mining_some_datamined_specialization/

http://i.imgur.com/EKtgtgJ.png

Not sure on “reliable” but that’s as close to it as it gets… It looks like vigor-ish to me though… maybe it stacks?

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

Yeah, well all power to you. You are 1 in a million. A thief that can successfully run a trapper spec. I would be interested in seeing a montage video, but thank you.

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

Stay away from windows 10, it’s the plague…..

uglydan.1638:

AikijinX.6258:

I would, but I have 2 infractions already lol…

Grow a set. I have 4 :P

You should see a doctor…

I honestly wager that there will be another big balance patch soon (2-6 months) after the release of HoT….

No whether or not there will be nerfs to said classes, is another story…

Ayrilana.1396:

First thing you need to do is define a day’s worth of playtime.

:) And… technically… it’s always day somewhere on earth…

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

a scapegoat for all qq, that what we are

The QQ’s ceased… I’m kind of starving actually…

It’s probably Free-Loot bag, that’s the role. But it’s not really, because, you know, it’s just hard to master. Yup. Legit.

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ixon.2496:

If we thieves really want a response, why not flood the other professions sub forums that ACTUALLY get noticed.

I’m willing to risk infraction for that, hell im risking infraction condoning it xD

I did try to organize something like that once, no one really followed through.

dude you are not looking good enough, check pvp and wvw forums, people still cry that thieves dare to have spot in tourneys

:/ I guess I’m used to having the QQ’s to come our forums…

:| You… Stole that jedi-kid link from me…

Well play…

Cynz.9437:

a scapegoat for all qq, that what we are

The QQ’s ceased… I’m kind of starving actually…

It’s probably Free-Loot bag, that’s the role. But it’s not really, because, you know, it’s just hard to master. Yup. Legit.

ixon.2496:

If we thieves really want a response, why not flood the other professions sub forums that ACTUALLY get noticed.

I’m willing to risk infraction for that, hell im risking infraction condoning it xD

I did try to organize something like that once, no one really followed through.

Wrayze.3902:

I would like a parrot sitting on my shoulder.

And steal to actually steal items/gold from players.

It’s like….

Being someone’s kitten. (No ANet, I meant a female dog, not a kitten).

Kocoff.7582:

ohhh maaan . So it is safe to assume they did read mine, but somehow still did not delete it. I loled a little for link you sent and the irony behind it.

another bad news.
BTW it’s not gonna be us this week: Straight in from Twitter

I wonder if it will have access to reveal… I mean it’s a torch….

To be fair though, some warrior players were really disappointed. :/ I would be too.

Medium armor classes…

Is that, like, when you put two light armors on? Or an old and worn heavy plate?

Well, yeah… the elite spec probably won’t miraculously fix all the problems… But with 1 big balance patch prior to HoT + elite spec + (I hope to hell) 1 more big balacing patch soon after HoT (to you know… balance out elite kinks) … Gives them enough chances to do so.

Realistically, the expansion could/can warrant a full class overhaul and is the best chance to do so. Though, there’s no mention of it, so I’m guessing they’re not taking this opportunity.

Sylent.3165:

Why is it that every time a new elite specizalation is released a bunch of people are complaining? So and so got this but I didn’t?
…

Best way to explain it is:

Because it’s an Internet forum. Worse yet, an online game Internet forum.

Seiroxena.6350:

Zero Day.2594:

Man, the way you bolded some things (especially censored) made me think of Burnfall again.

The movement points are a touch overboard…

Don’t really count them to hear anything or listen. Just wait for the elite spec reveal and it’s PoI stream… if you don’t like it, yeah drop out and don’t get the expansion. If you’re still not sure, wait till come the next balance patch – they said that there will be one more big one before HoT (and I wager, after HoT too) – to see if you it suits you, if not, again don’t buy expansion and move on.

That is the problem, too many thieves moved on and gave up trying to open ANET’ eyes. I already bought HoT, i love the game itself but i have to admit that this “Hey lets nerf thief down to ground behavior” might make me change my mind and ask for a refund even if i know that ANET doesnt care

See, I’m on the fence about getting it myself…

On one side, I don’t like some of the things they do (balance patches) and have done (balance patches, ascended, temporary content) to the game… and probably will do (same kitten).

On the other hand, if I treat it as almost a single player game, and just close my ears/eyes and pretend not to hear or see any of the kitten thats happening… I potentially could enjoy playing through the expansion once… And then probably drop it right after.

Man, the way you bolded some things (especially censored) made me think of Burnfall again.

The movement points are a touch overboard…

Don’t really count them to hear anything or listen. Just wait for the elite spec reveal and it’s PoI stream… if you don’t like it, yeah drop out and don’t get the expansion. If you’re still not sure, wait till come the next balance patch – they said that there will be one more big one before HoT (and I wager, after HoT too) – to see if you it suits you, if not, again don’t buy expansion and move on.

Sunflowers.1729:

Our defense is being able to reset the fight at any time you want, keep an enemy permanently blinded, and also a zero-cooldown ranged daze (hi rapid fire). Withdraw is another dodge and you have 50% vigor up time just from trickery.

Edit: Permanent blind may vary depending on enemy. Also Glint’s reveal is on a small radius (360), it’s nowhere near that of a shout (600)

Odyssey.2613:

Rumor has it thieves are getting the riding crop weapon and ball gag mask because evidently all the Justin Bieber haircut sporting emo adults @ Anet took the afternoon off and went to the early screening of 50 Shades of Gray.

That’s what I heard….

It’s okay, no one will see is in stealth… we just have to stay stealthed…

<Uninstalls the game>

Our staff spec, demo of each skill (elite skill at 1:33):

>.> You guys are arguing like you’re (early) part of the design team and are going to make the spec….

When really… you’re not…

Whichever weapon it’s going to be, it’s going to be in ANet’s view of what’s suited for thief… regardless of what you guys think is better or not.

Two things:

1. (keep saying this…) People quickly assumed that there would be no weapon overlap between elite specs based on a trend that they saw. ANet at no point in time explicitly stated that it wasn’t possible. People just kept pushing the trend like all the other garbage in the world (memes!).

2. There’s absolutely no guarantee that one weapon will be better than the other. They could potentially both turn out to be kitten (which wouldn’t be too surprising…), if two weapons could be released, or if we could preview what was ditched for the weapon that got released. Who knows.

—

Also, as far as I can tell from other profs, the elite spec doesn’t stray too far from the base class… So, chances are, we will remain squishy and dependent on either stealth or evades (which really rules out me wanting a great sword, but o well).

They also like to re-use skills from other classes, so… you can kind of piece something together for rifle as well as the staff (great sword skills?).

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

#TEEFstillOP

:/ Actually haven’t seen a nerf thread for a while now… wtf?

Mhm, I do wonder if mesmers are now getting all the stealth hate or if people just shut up because mesmer showed them that their whining can make things a lot worse.
I should hang around in other forums from time to time.

It’s starting…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Chronomancer-will-get-permanent-invisibility/first

We will now have to share the delicious tears.

Mesmers, I would like to welcome you to the world of thieves.

Enjoy the perma-QQ’ing that comes with perma-stealth.

This hate for ya is still young, but don’t worry, the tears wont stop raining even after 3 years. So grab your buckets, glasses, straws, and enjoy the delicious tears.

Nolimitz.9467:

Honestly whatever the weapon is i hope it focuses on ground target aoe/cc functionality. Staff and kits could fulfill that while rifle just screams single target burst which thieves clearly lack right guise?

See… They lack a few things. One being a 1200 range option… Between that and more melee, most would probably want to take a chance at getting 1200 range. Neither guarantees to be useful, melee we just know we’re squishy and I doubt that will change.

Either way, we will have to wait and see between now and December.

Seabreeze.8437:

Nolimitz.9467:

I am fairly confident that because druid demands a staff weapon to coincide with the theme that staff for thief won’t be a thing.

Do people still believe this reasoning???

Didn’t we just see the reveal of revenant having a shield, which chronos got… That and they didn’t explicitly say that weapons can’t overlap. Their table is also the size of the world. They also like to troll us.

So, it’s still possible to get a staff, not that I would want one.

Much rather have a rifle, for the same rehashed reasons.
or
A greatsword and have the elite spec turn us into a brawler – potentially opening up the ability to be in zergs (and not be free loot bags), which aren’t going anywhere…

Mefiq.7039:

You guys didnt played shiro dont you? Its totaly diferent than S/D, ofc he had evade + endu regen thats all you get close to s/d + its only evade backwards and it costs 35Energy which is A LOT, none of Rev weapon skills have evade nor godmode.
….

Sorry, you lost all seriousness after that point.

We may not have god mode, but my keyboard does have a win button, between ctrl and alt.

:D Added to the changer list.

Have a free bump.

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823

What: Rebalance Ideas for Thief
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Rebalance-Ideas-for-Thief/first

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

alchemyst.2165:

Remember when S/D was considered op by the devs so they continuously nerfed it?

Well you can now get the exact same playstyle on steroids with heavy armor and high hp pool!

Yes, this is all very logical.

The developers make me not want to even continue playing when things like this happen.

Thief doing too much burst from stealth? Okay, lets nerf them. Oh, lets also give the same class that was hurt by the burst the most the very same playstyle.

Thief evading too much? Okay, lets nerf them. Oh, let’s also give a heavy armor tier the same exact playstyle.

Thief stealth has no counterplay? Okay, lets give classes uncounterable ways of revealing them for stupid amounts of time.

#TEEFstillOP

:/ Actually haven’t seen a nerf thread for a while now… wtf?

Is the HoT hype drawing away the attention…? Or is the HoT hype crash made people leave..?

It’s interesting now because there’s actually been a shift in opinion to thief being med-hard/hard to master.

That’s kind of funny. Wasn’t always like that though? Pretty sure what they mean to say that it’s harder to do the same “thing” compared to other classes, as opposed to having a higher skill cap (was always the case? no?)/ harder to master.

:D The class hasn’t been nerfed to kitten and is worthless, it’s just harder to master
Lol… harder to effectively do the same thing as other classes as opposed to mastering… mastering is a whole other issue.

Well, that wasn’t the concensus before. Now the only one they say is possibly too strong is D/P.

True.

Though I think they’re using the term wrong and are talking about something else entirely. (Only read a bit…)

The only ones that can really talk about what’s actually hard to master are those competing in tournaments or those pushing to that level of play (or theory crafters that test their theories – essentially those that are pushing the limits) – willing to bet that 90% of the posters on the forums are neither of those.

:P Plus I think the QQ’s will come flooding in with the reveal of the spec, regardless if it’s UP or OP – which we won’t know until there’s been some hands-on, which will probably cause a second flood.

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

alchemyst.2165:

Remember when S/D was considered op by the devs so they continuously nerfed it?

Well you can now get the exact same playstyle on steroids with heavy armor and high hp pool!

Yes, this is all very logical.

The developers make me not want to even continue playing when things like this happen.

Thief doing too much burst from stealth? Okay, lets nerf them. Oh, lets also give the same class that was hurt by the burst the most the very same playstyle.

Thief evading too much? Okay, lets nerf them. Oh, let’s also give a heavy armor tier the same exact playstyle.

Thief stealth has no counterplay? Okay, lets give classes uncounterable ways of revealing them for stupid amounts of time.

#TEEFstillOP

:/ Actually haven’t seen a nerf thread for a while now… wtf?

Is the HoT hype drawing away the attention…? Or is the HoT hype crash made people leave..?

It’s interesting now because there’s actually been a shift in opinion to thief being med-hard/hard to master.

That’s kind of funny. Wasn’t always like that though? Pretty sure what they mean to say that it’s harder to do the same “thing” compared to other classes, as opposed to having a higher skill cap (was always the case? no?)/ harder to master.

:D The class hasn’t been nerfed to kitten and is worthless, it’s just harder to master
Lol… harder to effectively do the same thing as other classes as opposed to mastering… mastering is a whole other issue.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Zero Day.2594:

#TEEFstillOP

:/ Actually haven’t seen a nerf thread for a while now… wtf?

Is the HoT hype drawing away the attention…? Or is the HoT hype crash made people leave..?

I feel like leaving because the one class that kept me awake on the pvp scene is being bullied by people who enjoy spoonfed dps output but can’t handle a class with 11-17khp. Pretty sure other people have left.

Right now im running crusader and runes of the fighter. People are complaining I’m too tanky. communities making me sick and jaded.

#NerfingGreninja

Yeah… I find that sometimes not reading forums/reddit for a game that I’m enjoying is the best thing… Ignorance is bliss, at least in this context.

I’m just waiting on their “Challenging Content”, which might actually end up what I want – that is Fissure of WoE (there’s been a data mined post a while back) – and the elite spec of the thief to decide whether I will be staying around or completely dropping this game (at least until the salt rubs off my skin and I’m less sour). And even then, I will be solo PvE’er most likely.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

alchemyst.2165:

Remember when S/D was considered op by the devs so they continuously nerfed it?

Well you can now get the exact same playstyle on steroids with heavy armor and high hp pool!

Yes, this is all very logical.

The developers make me not want to even continue playing when things like this happen.

Thief doing too much burst from stealth? Okay, lets nerf them. Oh, lets also give the same class that was hurt by the burst the most the very same playstyle.

Thief evading too much? Okay, lets nerf them. Oh, let’s also give a heavy armor tier the same exact playstyle.

Thief stealth has no counterplay? Okay, lets give classes uncounterable ways of revealing them for stupid amounts of time.

#TEEFstillOP

:/ Actually haven’t seen a nerf thread for a while now… wtf?

Is the HoT hype drawing away the attention…? Or is the HoT hype crash made people leave..?

:P ANet didn’t ruine thieves… The QQ’ers did.

Add this post to the change wish list. (Not the nerf…)

Originally by: TheSwede.9512

What: General thief changes
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Anet-didn-t-ruin-Thieves/first

And probably some other spec will get ricochet like skill.

AikijinX.6258:

Well yet another week of a let down. Thieves still can’t steal off a revebant, and no elite spec reveal. But I’m over it at this point.

But did you pre-purchase when the hype was around?

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Dex.6139:

Seabreeze.8437:

If we were getting an elite spec reveal on Friday, wouldn’t there be some kind of teaser image or announcement?

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t get a teaser image.

You guys are silly, don’t you know the teaser image is perma-stealthed.

Oh hey, i was gonna say that. I guess I didn’t get the chance to ruin your punchline this time.

Oh man… That time you ruined more than just a punchline… I had a whole plan in mind built around it.

Sagat.3285:

There is nothing left to nerf.

Traps. They haven’t nerfed those yet. And underwater skills.

AikijinX.6258:

Lets pray for staff and rifle off hand set.

And the new mechanic being “Monkey Grip” which allows you to wield 3 weapons. So we can have staff main hand, rifle off hand, and great sword off hand.

Dex.6139:

Seabreeze.8437:

If we were getting an elite spec reveal on Friday, wouldn’t there be some kind of teaser image or announcement?

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t get a teaser image.

You guys are silly, don’t you know the teaser image is perma-stealthed.

Lian Olsam.9541:

…

Better make sure no one is collecting the garbage (real life) that you throw out… There’s quite a lot of info that can be attained that way – and I don’t mean kitten that you scribble down on a piece of paper and forget to shred.