Guild Wars 2

Gabriell.4856:

I remember the “old” box. I don’t blame the young thieves that are growing up. They just don’t know any better.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying “They don’t know any better”.
Just, they haven’t had the same amount of time.

Nivik.2961:

This game is indeed amazing, if you don’t like it, go lvl up to 110 with WoW.

love it.

Thieves Guild for life boys,

and to guys out there like yolo who I know have been around forever and have a lot of experience and love for this class, I guarentee youre gonna be able to theory craft some crazy stuff with these new specs so that we can all get back to what we love
SMASHING MESMERS hahaha

You’re missing the point a bit if you think that they can’t come up with “crazy” stuff…

You may not be aware of this but, they took something from a box we once had. The box had a label “Acrobatics” on it, they’ve from time to time been taking stuff out of it, and the last time they took something out of it it was the last thing left in the box that made we even reach for it. They then, hoping for newcomers to not read into the past, put what they’ve taken into another box, labeled it as “DareDevil”, and say it’s a brand new thing… While aesthetically, the new box looks different, when you start using the stuff inside it, those that were aware of the old box will realize how fimiliar it is and question why stuff like these hasn’t appeared in the old one, the newcomers will let it slide, since our “old” box to them is a recent one and as far as they’re concerned it was always half empty.

Luto.1938:

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Hypocritical not so much. They had to nerf Acro or in combination with DD it would have been way too evade spamable and OP.

You’re saying that like there’s no other possible ideas for an elite spec…

GragorR.9768:

Im really hyped tbh… as long as staff is viable and offers a more evasive play style less relying on stealth AND they end up fixing our other weapon sets and lackluster traits eventually, the future could be pretty awesome for thieves.

What…?

When did they fix lackluster traits? Or are you saying in the future?
History shows that that won’t be the case…

Sir Vincent III.1286:

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Conclusion
These skills are just too good to be true and more than likely will be short-lived. It’s just one of those things that they make it look good and get me excited so I’ll fork-up the $50 for the expansion to only watch these skills nerfed to the ground post release.

No thank you.

I get the same feeling.

Especially since, before reveal they’ve nerfed our evading (biggest being Feline Grace…), either because we had too many or to setup for the elite spec. In both cases it doesn’t mean well for the future of the elite spec. Like, if their intent with the nerf was truly because we had too much evades… then turn around and give a spec the revolves around it and makes it more usefull/OP than before… yeah that won’t last long – probably a month or two after release after the hype dies down… Flip side, if the nerfing was to setup for the elite spec… man that’s sleazy (and they’ve done a number of similar things before… so wouldn’t be surprised)… and again, if they’re pulling that kind of stunt, doubt they will care about the health of the class post expansion release, and will most likely nerf it yet again.

Like as appealing as the elite spec seems… Their previous actions and my doubt in them really holds me from getting the expansion. Like some of the content for the expansion does seem interesting (hopefully will be more so with their hard content announcement), and just the one play-through alone is interesting enough… It’s just, by buying the game, I’m supporting them, and the decision they’ve made and will make… yeah… some I truly can’t support and I’m thinking they will make more that I’m not happy with.

Withdraw, in my mind, still trumps the new heal…

phys.7689:

Auesis.7301:

Testing the tooltips in-game (they definitely scale with your stats), the Staff autoattack is crazy weak. Not even half as strong as Sword autos and the final 4-hit skill doesn’t even total past a single Lotus Strike or Wild Strike. I expect that will be buffed after a BWE, at least to a Sword standard, or maybe the cast times can be increased plus a smaller damage boost. Speed can be somewhere between Dagger and Sword while damage (auto-only in both cases) can be somewhere between as well.

Everything else is INCREDIBLE though.

yeah not sure why the staff is weak, wont people just use sword/pistol? it is also 3 targets does more dmg, and has about the same defense with evade, and black powder

its not a cool down class, theres no reason to swap to staff for more defense cause your other set is on cooldown.

I sense it could be a more offensive alternative to an SB – which as far as I’m aware, is typically used for it’s mobility and poison field (maybe a bit of cluster bomb…), though throws off the flow between just being in melee to having a ranged weapon (and maybe that’s why we didn’t get rifle :/ )…

Kocoff.7582:

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Heal skill is pretty amazing too. 5,520 HP heals with 3 pulses? that’s our whole life back mates. It could be easily interrupted I guess.

…

Or it could be 5,520 in 3 pulses…

It’s also stationary/roots in place while channeling…

Withdraw still seems better since it doesn’t root/channel, evades, cleanses condies, and has less of a CD.

That heal better be 5,520 per pulse and not 5,520 over 3 pulses….

I’m still salty about a revamped acro line being sold as an “elite” line…

Does look pretty kitten powerful though….

Plus it does look like we won’t be locked into taking SB just for the sake of mobility…. (Though, maybe we won’t be able to leap up cliff/edges…)

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Alex.9268:

The auto attack is pretty underwhelming though.

Yeah, definitely is…

Doesn’t dagger on it’s own cleave 2 extra enemies…?

1 extra, but outside of PvE when is that going to matter that much. Daggers also have poison and endurance gain on them…..so yeah.

Does the cleave off of dagger apply the poison to the 2nd cleaved target…? I don’t think it does, does it?

Alex.9268:

The auto attack is pretty underwhelming though.

Yeah, definitely is…

Doesn’t dagger on it’s own cleave 2 extra enemies…?

Kocoff.7582:

Hook Strike, the steath attack from Staff cause Knockdown. This is extremely satisfying…

Problem is staff doesn’t provide stealth from itself so….

Staff might be a replacement for SB… given it’s 5 and the trait line giving you 150 endurance… Like it seems it could be used to get around places like SB….

Kocoff.7582:

WOW THAT ELITE.

" Ennemies struck with this ability are finished"

goodbye basilik V.

Not to mention “Impairing Daggers”… which isn’t an elite on a 25s CD…

Sagat.3285:

pepper.6179:

now u have to pay $50 for acro-like trait line :/

Basically this I see nothing like this for any other elite spec so far this takes the cake which remind of…

Man, that’s a very small cake, even when I click and try to enlarge it…

DeceiverX.8361:

Dude, it’s too late. All we can do is make suggestions for the next elite spec maybe for next year.

Just make sure to ask for a very evasive, stealth heavy spec and you might get what you actually want.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Sagat.3285:

Doggie.3184:

Sagat.3285:

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

I know what the new elite spec should be called!!!!
Acrobat!!!

I mean, some do use staffs in their performances…

Like those who balance on a wire and plummet to their death…

Ah…. that’s why they’re DareDevils, daring enough to do that.

*Dare Devils.

It’s only one word.

You can always misspell it using “Deer-DeVille”

That sounds… so redneck…

in frakt shion coming in 3…2…1…

Not happening man.

There’s been traits data-mined that indicate we’re getting physical skills and our “elite” mechanic will be an extra dodge (150 endurance, instead of 100).

Sagat.3285:

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

I know what the new elite spec should be called!!!!
Acrobat!!!

I mean, some do use staffs in their performances…

Like those who balance on a wire and plummet to their death…

Ah…. that’s why they’re DareDevils Acrobats, daring enough to do that.

*Dare Devils.

OH.

Sorry, I misspelled acrobats.

Fixed it in the post you quoted… and in my original one.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

I know what the new elite spec should be called!!!!
Acrobat!!!

I mean, some do use staffs in their performances…

Like those who balance on a wire and plummet to their death…

Ah…. that’s why they’re DareDevils Acrobats, daring enough to do that.

I know what the new elite spec should be called!!!!
Acrobat!!!

I mean, some do use staffs in their performances…

Maugetarr.6823:

Kageseigi.2150:

Two can be as bad as one. It’s the loneliest number since the number one :-(

No is the saddest experience you’ll ever know. Yes, it’s the saddest experience you’ll ever know :’-(

Dem feels

There….. There…

Llort.9267:

Frightlight.3796:

I have a feeling its gonna have a lot of confusion and daze

The flashier the staff the more confusion.

The more “distraction”.

NinjaEd.3946:

I never cared what weapon we got, we still have 4 weapon sets underperforming and a list of bad traits and skills so long it would require the first 4 posts of a thread to be fully addressed.

Can’t blind distract me with new toys anet, I want duct tape and glue for the old ones!

Fixed it for ya.

Again, best bet is the coming large patch in ~October/before HoT, and (hopefully another) big patch after HoT launches.

Actually, playing a bit more on that – tin-hat-theory – The elite spec could bomb, and they’re planning to use the PAX reveal to cover it up…

So… might be opposite of the hopeful post I made in the other thread…

But “distractions” and the “daredevil” could turn out to be very gimmicky…

The “daredevil” already has an association with risk/reward in it’s name (and they seem to theme them likewise)… and “distractions” (thinking back at WoW Rogue’s “Distract” skill…) could be something as silly as say, throw a smoke grenade (AoE) that creates a dark field that blinds (ha… blinding powder…) with a ridiculously long CD. Or like, throw a flash bang (AoE), that blinds/dazes the targets, again on a ridiculously long CD.

AikijinX.6258:

Gray.9041:

AikijinX.6258:

Our prayers have been answered.

/Amen

wait for wednesday – we need to know if we’ve been blessed or cursed.

Anet knows they’re standing on a thin line with the Thief community, so they already know that if they don’t make this other option (elite spec) viable then a majority of thief population will either quit or switch toons, which is not what they need for their game.

As long as they keep you (not specifically YOU) in game, there’s a chance that you will buy some gems…. So, re-rolling toons probably means nothing for them. Take for instance the Ranger and how it’s been in a bad shape for a long time… Like really there’s only a handful of classes that they got right, more or less… I’m sure some of those that main-ed the ranger from day 1 have re-rolled.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

Not gonna lie, I kind of came to term with it being a staff.

It’s not like we have any other choice than to swallow another jagged blue pill.

Well, at least I have ideas on how that pill might taste/do… And still (faint) hope that it’s not a cyanide pill.

Donari.5237:

None of the specialty weapons the elites get are in game. All we have are chat codes for preview. I think they’ll be in the circle o’ unlocks for the Elite spec line, along with the specialty armor pieces.

I’m pretty sure you’re right. It would make the most sense.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Cynz.9437:

thief clones + shatter?

Probably just shadow clones without the shatter. Instead, the clone looks exactly like us that can deal damage albeit less —- maybe 25%- 30% damage. Then after a duration, the clone disappears and blinds or daze everyone around them or something.

Man, for some reason I thought of Zed when I saw that pic…. We could potentially swap places with the clones…

Not gonna lie, I kind of came to term with it being a staff.

As nice as a rifle would have been, and I would still want it in the future (if there is) elite specs along with a great sword. The datamined info is pretty solid most of the time…

It also might do what I wanted out of a great sword, that is a stealthless brawler, some one that can be on the frontlines… BUT, we will have to see till later this week.

In reality, the picture doesn’t tell us much about what it will actually do. As in, it could be an evasive fighter, it could be a brawler, it could be even a “shadow” mage/caster (giving the 1200 range). It has potential to fulfill any one of the roles that the community has wanted.

1200 range option: We now cast shadows/other ninja stuff onto the enemy. For instance an AA that could be just a staff swing sending a dark bolt… Or a more telegraphed move that performs some sort of a seal (thinking of naruto kitten, yup…) that creates a dark AoE field where targeted doing X, Y things…. Or through illusion/dark/shadow magic we’re able to “throw” the staff as a spear….

Evasive style, which is the most probably, given the trait we’ve seen (Brawler’s Tenacity) and the name “DareDevil”… basically doing flips and kitten – though, I think by the name…. it will be squishy/soft as a female’s chest (because the other word(s) are censored… starts with a “T” and ends with “ITS” – squishy as ____).

Brawler style, could be similiar to evasive, though not focusing on evades, but creating barriers by say spinning the staff and creating a dark/air barrier/orb around you – which say applies blind on hit… As far as some monk concepts go, yeah they can be evasive and acrobatic, but they can also be hardened and are able to endure pain through mental exercises/mediations and practice …

Besides the thief begin generally dark themed, the concept of various elements coming from the idea of a monk, could potentially grant us fire fields, water fields….

All that is to say:

TL;DR: We need to wait and see the PoI, before jumping ship or doing anything else….

Flip side:
We do have the same dev(s) working as the one(s) on the dragonhunter and tempest… And those didn’t turn out well as well as the others….

Oh and if one of the skills is an extending staff attack (hopefully +900 range), I so called it like months ago as a joke… (just gotta dig that post up…).

It’s so you can use the smaller one in your weaker hand

Doggie.3184:

So did they ever comment on Ricochet ever yet?

They’re pretending it never existed. Best you do the same.

You know what’s the sad part of all this…

Currently there’s still some hype going on. Attention is drawn to other classes due to their elite specs being revealed…

Come our time for the reveal, and we WILL get a flood of QQ’s about how X/Y/Z is so OP… Since people will be reminded that this class still exists…
<sigh>

I’m kind of thankful about not pre-purchasing… At the same time, still on the fence, just to play it for the sake of 1 play through and maybe (finally) build a legendary while sticking my head in the sand and pretending the game is so cheery, everything else after can go kitten itself. And there’s no way in hell am I going to spend a cent on gems – I just don’t really support some of the decisions that they have made in the past and will probably make in the future.

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Wait, we do have a way to apply burning…?

Maybe burning was supposed to be confusion.

Yeah, I honestly can’t recall… Off the top of my head, the only access to burning we have is from the gunk stolen off of an engie….. lol….

AFAIK that’s the only place I know of for burning also. Bewildering amush has confusion attached to it though.

Another quick thought: Thief’s ability to survive combate goes from “dead”-“witness me!” Don’t you only get witnessed when you’re going to die?

Perhaps, it’s against the afkers/up-leveled … like they need to attract more attention…

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Wait, we do have a way to apply burning…?

Maybe burning was supposed to be confusion.

Yeah, I honestly can’t recall… Off the top of my head, the only access to burning we have is from the gunk stolen off of an engie….. lol….

Wait, we do have a way to apply burning…?

I had a poll for ascended gear (after armor), had +1k votes…. Yeah nothing came out of that.

So, don’t get your hopes up sending any kind of message. They have their own agenda, and their following it.

Kocoff.7582:

237 results so far. The Community’s “Public Opinion” is starting to take shape. Ty Fluffy.

I just keep thinking “What’s so hard about making a comprehensible survey?” If Anet had done that a week after that cursed patch for every profession, we wouldn’t be complaining so much. Seriously Anet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3i43gx/poll_a_thief_introspective/

read Erih’s response.

Kocoff.7582:

Zero Day.2594:

Kocoff.7582:

If you post it on Reddit, people who hate thieves or don’t main Thieves will start sabotaging the results. It’s a good idea at first because you will get a guaranteed increase in responses but … it’s not the right population sample AT ALL.

Want me to take it down…?

The thing is, you’re not going to get a “right population”… By posting it on these forums (thief forums) you get a biased opinion… by posting it anywhere else, you will get biased hate responses…

Best bet if you can get people from the game to take it…

Point taken. I guess you are right. Let’s hope for the best. Maybe we should add a version that ask the respondent to put select the profession he/she mains.

Yeah let’s leave it there.

Yeah… again, you’re depending on a person’s honesty on the Internet…

Kocoff.7582:

If you post it on Reddit, people who hate thieves or don’t main Thieves will start sabotaging the results. It’s a good idea at first because you will get a guaranteed increase in responses but … it’s not the right population sample AT ALL.

Want me to take it down…?

The thing is, you’re not going to get a “right population”… By posting it on these forums (thief forums) you get a biased opinion… by posting it anywhere else, you will get biased hate responses…

Best bet if you can get people from the game to take it…

I can repost it on reddit… but chances are I will get downvoted to kittens.

Like, if you’re part of the GW2 kitten on reddit, you get downvoted.

Here’s the link to it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3i43gx/poll_a_thief_introspective/

Well, epic fail, the kappa image is it’s thumbnail… That will surely attract all the good attention.

Gray.9041:

suggestion – try posting this elsewhere (the reddit for example) to get more responses.

Yeah, it needs to be posted elsewhere too. Reddit, pvp forums, wvw, so on.

Currently there’s only a handful of people that have taken the survey, which really doesn’t mean much… You would need like +1k at the very least to start to say something.

Oh and I was just trolling with that “thinking like a dev”… I did do the survey seriously though. Though added your taunt suggestion, Serious.

rogerwilko.6895:

stof.9341:

Well what about : http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/12075076?t=31m02s

if the initial burst will not kill me that Insane Burn will roast me pretty fast.
:(

Bettter cleanse it fast.

Thinking like a dev:

The spec release seemed to have been great.
I gather that the shortbow needs a nerf, since it’s ALWAYS used. Must be because it’s too stronk.
All the weapon sets are fine, so that means they’re all viable. Don’t think we need to focus on adjusting them.
I don’t think they appreciate how much condi-clears and condi-applications they have now, better nerf em some more to realize what they took for granted.
I think they could use taunt.
But let’s not focus too much on the condi’s since we want to break the new meta.
I don’t think they realize how underpowered deception skills are, need to nerf em some moar.
But let’s not focus on just changing skills…
Actually, we think deadly arts and trickery need the most work. Specifically in toning them down.
But yeah, let’s not focus on traits too much either.
Eh, they can’t seem to use the new Feline Grace properly. Just have to give them time.
Man, they really don’t appreciate some of the traits they have, better nerf’em to make them see what they took for granted.
Well, at least 2 players appreciate our ricochet change. It was too RNG to be in game.
Better buff Assassin’s retreat.
But yeah, can’t have all our focus on traits…
Think stealth needs moar buffs, they seem to be constantly dead, but always depend on it….
On the other hand, think it could use more of a nerf, they seem to use it for way too much. Making reveal for 10 seconds seems about right. Oh and give it a 10 seconds taunt too, then it can have a tanking role.
Noobs can’t play they’re class well, complaining about survivability. Trolls…
They seem to have some class that they usually win against or it’s a 50/50 chance, better go look at those class and “adjust” (improve/buff) them.
Better remove waypoints for them.
Good thing we killed Tybalt, no one liked him.
Think the new elite spec mechanic needs to be pets, and we will give them a miniture/baby Trahearne as their only pet.

AAAHHHH, fudge it. We have our own agenda to follow on how to make a great game that the whole community will love.

So guys, do you think I could be on the balancing team?

/kappa

Reaven.3958:

Jana.6831:

Why are you even arguing about another game?
I think GW2 might be pretty unique but it’s headed into a direction I really don’t like. That not because of my favourite class (and spec) having been nerfed into the ground but the recent and upcoming changes will be hard to undo and they will have to undo it – question is why do they implement it in the first place.

I agree with this. I logged in today after having taken a hiatus to cool off after the infamous patch, and found that not only had things not really improved, but based on the forums it sounds like they’re just scheduled to get worse for thief. Not sure if I’m ever going to log in again, but the outlook isn’t positive.

That was a wrong move reading the forums.

Ignorance is bliss. If only you didn’t read the forums, you could have enjoyed the game longer.

@Jana

That direction is MOBAs… Hence the talk about them.

stof.9341:

Cynz.9437:

stof.9341:

Well +1 role looks really a lot like a MOBA roaming ganker. It IS a role really :p

yeah except roamers in moba can 1v1 and even 1v3 (depending how well fed they are)….. thieves on other hand….

Not all. Support roamers do it at like level 1 and can only gank by helping a lane in an unexpected way.

So what you’re saying is… we’re support roamers?

(Thief being the archetype for Assassin/Ninja/Rogue/Thief)

Gray.9041:

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

Is that a challenge to the devs?

I expect them to win this.

doesn’t matter who wins – we’ll lose.

Cynz.9437:

stof.9341:

Well +1 role looks really a lot like a MOBA roaming ganker. It IS a role really :p

yeah except roamers in moba can 1v1 and even 1v3 (depending how well fed they are)….. thieves on other hand….

^

Is that a challenge to the devs?

You know, I don’t think they mind this +1’ing and de-capping:

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/12099037?t=9m36s

I noticed that there was a skill that would kinda ricochet/bounce back/cascades…

https://vine.co/v/eDgTXzrJMAu

Something tells me it does so 100% of the time, which makes it okay, since there’s no RNG involved…

Nvm, I think that skill is the longbow’s F1…
Dat shot gun effect on rifle though… Well I guess, pistols can’t do that.

Now when people are going to start calling them Double-D……..