Guild Wars 2

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 31, 2013 21:35
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3439240
What: Stealth, CnD, Backstab
Why:
Even though OP perma-stealth exploit build has been nerfed… This is still happening:

Clearly, that nerf was not enough. He’s still perma-stealth exploiting left and right using CnD, blinding powder, hide in shadows and shadow refuge. More nerfs are necessary as the last one didn’t do any justice.
Source:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Glad-to-see-Yishis-is-adapting

Originally by: The Game Slayer.7632
Post date: January 02, 2014 23:18
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3445896
What: Devourer venom
Why:
I can put 9s of immob on a target with this skill… That is ridiculous… and no one can cleanse it since i stack it with other venoms and about 6 other condis pop up with immob. Then the best part is is that when 9s runs comes close to running out, ill just spam body shot. (lol)
Suggestion:
Remove immob completely and give it burning with cripple, or something like that. Maybe confusion, just hell, not immob. Its way too strong.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Devourer-venom-needs-a-nerf

Originally by: klemen.8439
Post date: January 02, 2014 23:18
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3445896
What: heartseeker
Why:
They’re all playing dagger/pistol and all they do through out all fights is push 5 and then spam 2 (smokefield ? heartseak spam). The combo is really a no skill, annoyance to other players and kinda OP towards most light classes (necro DS insta kill, ele insta kill).
Suggestion:
Making heartseeker require like 2 more initiative so that a thief would be unable to spam it like 4 times in a row.Switching dancing dagger (Skill n°4 on dagger) with heartseeker would not only make dancing dagger being used more (due to it being the second skill) but would also fix the perma-stealth issue that’s been bothering a lot of WvW players.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Too-many-bad-thieves

Originally by: Elxdark.9702
Post date: January 02, 2014 23:18
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3445896
What: 5 and 2
Why:
I only press 5 and 2 and I can kill anything.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Too-many-bad-thieves/first#post3445843

Originally by: animalmom.1062
Post date: January 02, 2014 23:56
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3446027
What: Thieves wearing ascended gear
Why:
duh?

Originally by: Doggie.3184
Post date: January 03, 2014 00:04
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3446046
What: Black Powder
Why:
Why’s it gotta be black?

Originally by: Warhawk.7095
Post date: January 03, 2014 05:19
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3446760
What: Thief’s ability to move.
Why:
Other classes get confused when things move.

Originally by: Shrike.3154
Post date: January 08, 2014 21:17
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3450246
What: dagger pistol perma stealth
Why:
Don’t know about every other non thief out there, but these thieves that can solo a bunch of people and win, due to perma stealth is bull ****, so over fighting them, I just walk away now, as it takes to many resources to down just one of these pugs.
Perma stealth is extremely annoying, and needs to be stopped, there is serious balance issues when 1 toon cant take on 5 and win, class match ups should be even and balance better.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/nerf-the-dagger-pistol-perma-stealth-rubbish/first#post3450221

Originally by: Domey.9804
Post date: January 04, 2014 18:34
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3452342
What: fleet shadow
Why:
Thief should be affected by cripple in stealth Not 33% faster
(originally posted by someone on wvw discussion Forum who beliefs in skill describtions)

Originally by: Yalingto.6453
Post date: December 18, 2013 16:47
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3391966
What: Longbow thief
Why:
Because it just sounds OP

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 18, 2013 19:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3392674
What: Hard to Catch
Why:
This trait places the thief outside my chaos storm…

Originally by: Excalibur.9748
Post date: December 20, 2013 17:28
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3402101
What: Perma Stealth
Why:
Worst thing ever created in the history of gaming!!1!! Also, I am a clicker and a perma stealth thief 1 hitted me out of nowhere!

Originally by: Domey.9804
Post date: December 21, 2013 18:29
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3406089
What: Thief tree
Why:
Thief tree grows too fast, produces no Oxygen. Evil tree

Originally by: Zacchary.6183
Post date: December 21, 2013 20:57
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3406568
What: Thief tree oxygen
Why:
Oxygen is permastealth and can’t see it EVER.

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 21, 2013 21:04
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3406584
What: Thief OP status
Why:
Like branches on a tree, even though the thief gets trimmed/cut (nerfed), their OP status increases, grows and regenerates. Pluck the tree from the ground! Burn it to the ground! Plant a flower instead.

Originally by: Eloquence.5207
Post date: December 21, 2013 22:36
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3406840
What: Thief player ego
Why:
The world would be a better place

Originally by: sierras.6297
Post date: December 22, 2013 19:30
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3409450
What: Pistols
Why:
their direct damage is too high. We should make the auto attack cost one imitative per shot because it does so much damage so quickly. Also the 2 skill should just be removed because thieves shouldn’t be able to root people, or apply vulnerability, especially with the extreme direct damage of pistol AA. While were at it, pistol shouldn’t be available as an off hand. Blind on a THIEF?! Outrageous! Just make pistol unable to even have an off hand weapon because, I mean, that AA is just so O kittening P!
sarcasm;)

Originally by: Nizio Nightblade.8109
Post date: December 14, 2013 14:56
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3372371
What: The class name Thief
Why:
Free loot bag shouldn’t be named thief should be called a free loot bag

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 14, 2013 17:01
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3372846
What: Thief in it’s entirety.
Why:
Since we’re free loot bags, this is a merge of all the requests, Not only should the class name change to “Free Loot Bag” and take away our limbs so we can’t run or do anything, instead a total remake should be made (I agree with Burnfall! He’s totally right when he said it.). Our character creation screen should show a 8 slotted bag that we can then customize (pick out ribbons and colors…), and as we level-up/gear-up as bags we progress into a 10 slotted loot bag then into a 15 and so on. Or we start off as “Tiny Loot Bag” and progress into a “Small Loot Bag” and so on.

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390
What: Venom
Why:
Because it tickle to much

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390
What: Trap
Why:
Because one thief ruined my flower pot puting a spike trap in it (my poor roses Q_Q)

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390
What: Thieve guild
Why:
Thief should do a quest to aquire membership in a thieve guild before behing able to spam that skill

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390
What: PistolWhyL: arent pistols at this time supose to be able to do maximum 6 shot before needing to reload there should be cooldown after hiting 6 timeWhat: Short BowShort Bow
Why:
how can their arrow actualy bounce perfectly between target this skill needs ground targeting o_O

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390
What: Cluster bomb
Why:
just how can he detonate the bomb at distance with does he has some time of ’’bomb’’ button somewhere on a remote pannel?

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390
What: pistol stun
Why:
stop making me dizzy
_

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390
What: ambush
Why:
Just where did that guy come from?

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:08
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390
What: Your mother
Why:
Because thief are motherless scum or so everyone says o_o

Originally by: kyubi.3620
Post date: December 17, 2013 15:12
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386408
What: thief shortbow stealth
Why:
I used to be an advanturer before until i took an arrow to the knee

Originally by: Rin.1046
Post date: December 17, 2013 17:49
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3387195
What: The Thief profession
Why:
Because anything the Thief can do, other professions can do better.

Originally by: Rin.1046
Post date: December 17, 2013 17:49
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3387195
What: Balancing
Why:
Because no-one can seem to get it right without years of trial and error. The meta is a lie, there is no meta.

Originally by: Yalingto.6453
Post date: December 18, 2013 06:48
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3390191
What: Longbow thief
Why:
Because it just sounds OP

Originally by: Jaradon.2756
Post date: December 10, 2013 14:26
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345208
What: My kneecaps and pc
Why:
An Anet employee should come and nerf my kneecaps and pc with nerfbat because i DARED to roll such an OP class!! I am deeply sorry for doing so and i shall promptly proceed to uninstall GW 2 from my pc and perform a ritualaised harakiri, for i have shamed myself deeply.
Ps: Loving this thread ^^

Originally by: Jaradon.2756
Post date: December 10, 2013 14:57
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345291
What: Thief healing
Why:
Too op, every time thief player press Q to heal, the player should spontaneously combust!! Because Thief healing is just WRONG in cosmic level!

Originally by: Jaradon.2756
Post date: December 10, 2013 14:53
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345351
What: Thief movement
Why:
Thief is too hard to catch, other players may get too frusthrated. Thief should only be a torso, flopping on the ground. This way other players can easily kill even an experienced thief!! IF the torsothief can, however, land some damage to attacking player, or even if he/she bleeds on the attacking player, thieves account should be automaticly permabanned. Oh, and the torsothief players PC should violently explode at that point. Preventing the player from living and thusly preventing him from buying another copy of GW 2 and rolling another op thief.
what: Now im going to shut up and proceed with the harakiri.
why: because thief op!

Originally by: Chasind.3128
Post date: December 10, 2013 23:07
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3349495
What: Thief
Why:
I don’t like Words/Names/’T’itles begging with a ‘T’

Originally by: Coltaine.8701
Post date: December 11, 2013 00:00
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3349919
What: Thief Skill Twisting FangsWhy:True Story:I recently encountered a thief in wvw. I saw that he was d/d and prepared my stunlocks, stabilities, and aoe. Suddenly, he unequipped one dagger, and proceeded to spam Twisting Fangs (1 dagger equipped; skill3). Not only was the range horrendously OP (130), but the spinning animation brought tears to my eyes! I wept as I died from this OP skill. Please, remove the range, or the spinning animation, or make thieves useTWOdaggers, notONE.
Why:

Originally by: Clockwork Bard.3105
Post date: December 11, 2013 00:50
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3350234
What: Sylvari Thieves
Why:
- They glow. Glowing things should not get to have stealth.
- Caithe is a thief. Letting other players copy her cramps her style and makes her less unique.
- Take Root. No one wants to wait through 3 seconds of invulnerability for their loot bag.

Originally by: Calsifer.6079
Post date: December 11, 2013 03:37
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3351106
What: Shadow Arts V Trait, Infusion of Shadow.
Why:
Obviously increasing the initiative gain to 2 makes it way too OP compared to the pre Dec. 10 patch Infusion of Shadow which only gave a 2 initiative gain. This new 2 initiative gain that they gave us is way too powerful compared to the old 2 initiative gain and needs to be nerfed immediately.

Originally by: Mountains.4096
Post date: December 11, 2013 04:49
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3351440
What: Being able to see while stealthed.
Why:
Stealth is invisibility, which means the thief’s retinas should not be able to absorb light whilst stealthed. Therefore, thieves should be presented with a blank screen while stealth is active. Mesmers use magic blindfolds and Rangers can, I don’t know, probably smell the landscape really well or something and thus should not be impacted by this change.

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 14, 2013 00:40
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3369899
What: condition P/D or P/P thieves with perplexity runes running caltrops and venom
Why:
It is a really strong (but cheesy) build though, like the thief version of the blackwater mesmer build.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Whats-up-with-thieves-nowadays

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 08, 2013 23:50
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3337089
What: thief height
Why:
they should be able to be
larger
than
norn
(Easier to see and target, bigger hit box for AoE’s to hit… larger target to attack)

Originally by: byku.3452
Post date: December 09, 2013 16:23
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3340035
What: Healing
Why:
Thieves shouldn’t be able to heal cause blue aura while healing doesn’t suit my armor

Originally by: Alice.8694
Post date: December 09, 2013 16:28
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3340055
What: Tier 3 Human Cultural Armor
Why:
Thieves synergize with this armor more than any other, this is OP and should totally be nerfed immediately.

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286
Post date: December 09, 2013 17:24
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3340401
What: thief is to op is just an excuse because you dont want to admit that some people are better than you are
Why:
No player better than me should be allowed to play the Thief. The profession is already OP and in the hands of those better than me will only generate a lot of QQs. Save the game — ban players better than me from playing Thieves.

Originally by: Excalibur.9748
Post date: December 09, 2013 17:30
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3340439
What: Thief ability to QQ on forumsWhy: An inferior species should not be allowed to QQ.
Why:

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 09, 2013 21:10
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3341383
What: P/D thieves, their bleeds.
Why:
Bleeds and conditions OP! Remove the bleed from #1 .
They need to nerf our Armor from being so Trenchy. Trenchcoats are OP and restrict movement.

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 09, 2013 21:10
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3341383
What: Trenchcoat armor.
Why:
Trenchcoats restrict movement of those that wear them.
(Almost forgot, this clip is awesome)

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 09, 2013 21:10
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3341383
What: Heartseeker
Why:
OP as seen in this guide:

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823
Post date: December 08, 2013 19:48
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3336233
What: Vigor Access
Why: Thieves dodge too much in addition to their myriad of other defensive boons.

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 08, 2013 22:15
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3336745
What: Thieves are expert in the shadow arts.
Why:
It’s unfair that they’re experts and other classes are not.

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 08, 2013 22:15
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3336745
What: Utilize stealth/shadowsteps to surprise and to get close to their target.
Why:
It’s unfair that they can use stealth and shadowsteps while other classes can’t.

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 08, 2013 22:15
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3336745
What: Agility, acrobatic fighting style, and the ability to steal to overcome their enemies.
Why:
Other classes aren’t as nimble as thieves.

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 08, 2013 22:15
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3336745
What: traps and venom.
Why:
Why do they get to use traps and venoms and we don’t?

Originally by: Prince.7198
Post date: December 06, 2013 15:23
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324203
What: Venoms
Why:
That stuff 1shots any class with full cleric gear

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286
Post date: December 06, 2013 16:53
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324697
What: Heartseeker damage bonus
Why:
The bonus should not be compounded with other bonuses like Executioner, Flanking Strike (trait) and Vulnerability. It should be harder to finish off someone desperately fighting for their lives. Besides, blood-soaked daggers becomes dull over time so the heartseeker bonus doesn’t make any sense.

Originally by: Zacchary.6183
Post date: December 06, 2013 19:38
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3325749
What: Sword Auto
Why:
BECUZ SWORD OHPEE

Originally by: Puru.4217
Post date: December 06, 2013 20:02
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3325928
What: Baslisk Venom
Why:
It’s useable underwater.

Originally by: Tetsuyja.7805
Post date: December 06, 2013 23:41
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3327495
What: Steal
Why:
it’s cybercrime.

Originally by: Arikyali.5804
Post date: December 07, 2013 04:22
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3328942
What: Thieves’ guild.
Why:
It’s bad enough to fight against one thief. Why force a fight with three?

Originally by: XPGAMER.7324
Post date: December 07, 2013 04:41
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3329018
What: Their abillity to post on the forums
Why:
Meh actually it doesn’t matter much. Anet doesn’t listen/care abt em anyways
Whenever a thief tries to search the forums, anet should redirect them to a rickroll. We want them to feel loved, but mainly unheard. Cuz if thief wasn’t nerfed every patch, I’d rage on the forums about how op they are, and then they’d be mean to me :’(

Originally by: PopeUrban.2578
Post date: December 07, 2013 10:43
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3330172
What: Caltrops (again)
Why:
It still does TWO conditions! a LOT! When the thief is GONE!

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823
Post date: December 06, 2013 02:54
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3322079
What: The number of thieves that can be made on an account
Why:
They make each other exponentially more powerful

Originally by: sierras.6297
Post date: December 06, 2013 05:53
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3322572
What: nothing
Why:
Thieves already got hit a thousand times by the nerd bat and are just starting to get buffed to being balanced.

Originally by: swinsk.6410
Post date: December 06, 2013 05:53
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3322573
What: heartseeker spam
Why:
because dodging and using defensive skills for non-thieves is just too much work.

Originally by: yski.7642
Post date: December 06, 2013 08:48
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3322932
What: Cloak and Dagger
Why:
Yski OP. Long range initiative free permastealth! Oh wait..

Originally by: phaeris.7604
Post date: December 06, 2013 13:32
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3323726
What: Ability to gain xp via any means.
Why:
A level 1 thief clearly has the same, if not greater powers than a level 80 of any other completely geared class.

Originally by: Puru.4217
Post date: December 06, 2013 13:46
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3323768
What: Traps.
Why:
They weren’t really hit by the nerf bat yet.

Originally by: Prince.7198
Post date: December 06, 2013 15:15
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324157
What: Weapon skills
Why:
Bcs not all of them got nerfed yet!

Originally by: Prince.7198
Post date: December 06, 2013 15:18
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324171
What: low initiative cost
Why:
Bcs they should only use 1 skill every 15 sec or its O to the P.

Originally by: Prince.7198
Post date: December 06, 2013 15:20
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324181
What: Crits
Why:
Thiefs shouldnt be able to crit, that is something for warriors, guardians and mesmers who have such low base dmg.

Originally by: Prince.7198
Post date: December 06, 2013 15:22
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324197
What: acces to looking for group tool
Why:
Theifs are so OP that they make other party members feel useless in a dungeon

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:33
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216
What: Infiltrators Arrow
Why:
This skill is 900 range, which is too much because thieves have stealth, a rewarding skill like this should have 500 range and 4 seconds cast time so it can be interrupted.

Originally by: Incurafy.6329
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:57
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311270
What: Thief
Why:
It exists.

Originally by: Jory.9172
Post date: December 04, 2013 09:36
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311357
What: Norn Elite Become the Jaguar
Why:
Thieves are too fast already with their hopping around, nobody ever heard of a jaguar thief.

Originally by: Arikyali.5804
Post date: December 04, 2013 11:51
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311716
What: Stealth attack skills
Why:
Special skills just for the thieves, with each weapon having its own unique stealth attack? All these special skills should be removed, since there’s no easy way to counter them from the thief stealth.
(the sad part is that I got the inspiration for this nerf from someone who wanted backstab to be half damage, instead of double damage)

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 04, 2013 16:38
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3313172
What: Thief movement.
Why:
Loot bags shouldn’t move.

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286
Post date: December 04, 2013 18:24
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3313826
What: Initiatives — too much
Why:
Initiatives allows a Thief to spam skills while other professions has to wait for cool downs. Initiatives should be a maximum of 8 initiatives and 9 max when traited. Whenever the Thief use an initiative skill, they get stun for 2s which will effectively stop the spamming and help them to conserve initiatives for other skills. We just care so much for the profession that we don’t want them to be a bad boy that needs spanking.

Originally by: Zero Day.2594
Post date: December 04, 2013 22:38
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3315522
What: Backstab and HeartSeaker
Why:
With the upcoming ascended gear, these skills will hit HARDER, they will do over 9000! Please nerf them in the Dec. 10 patch when you release ascended, there WILL be QQ’ing if you don’t.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Merged-and-now-ascended-gear-hits-Dec-10/page/5#post3315217

Originally by: Arikyali.5804
Post date: December 04, 2013 23:03
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3315669
What: Abyss Dye
Why:
Too many thieves use it, making it more expensive in the market. Please patch the game so that all thieves cannot use Abyss Dye.

Originally by: RyuDragnier.9476
Post date: December 04, 2013 23:05
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3315680
What: Stealth
Why:
Because outside of several counters to entering stealth (Ranger’s Sic ‘Em, pulling or knocking a thief out of Shadow Refuge while it’s going on), there is no actual counter to stealth while inside it. Give a counter such as blocking stealth = reveal to fix this.

Originally by: Excalibur.9748
Post date: December 05, 2013 18:18
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3319756
What: Sanduskel’s Thief
Why:
Too stronk

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286
Post date: December 04, 2013 00:15
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309621
What: Thief’s Daggers
Why:
Deals too much damage. A pair of toothpicks would balance the power.

Originally by: Arikyali.5804
Post date: December 04, 2013 01:13
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309818
What: Surprise shot (SB stealth attack)
Why:
a 900 range skill that immobilizes? Really? Too OP. I’ve caught too many people trying to run away. Stealth and shoot – you don’t even need to waste initiative. Thieves already have it too easy. Drop the range from 900 to 5, make them waste all their initiative if they immobilize a target, and give it a 99.99% of failure, that still drains initiative. That’s more fair.
Oh, and if the skill fails, it immobilizes the thief instead, and adds five stacks of bleeding, poison, and torment.

Originally by: Stooperdale.3560
Post date: December 04, 2013 01:54
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309989
What: Steal
Why:
A thief steals my axe but I still have my axe as well. It’s nonsense. I should lose my weapon when a thief steals it from me so that I can punch him hard.

Originally by: Advent.6193
Post date: December 04, 2013 03:54
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3310445
What: P/P weaponset.
Why:
It kills people, without even using Stealth? That’s crazy-person talk, Thieves are supposed to be
sneaky
!

Originally by: Undeadkemea.4865
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:14
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311177
What: Sword/X
Why:
So much mobility with instant cast and curing a condition is just intolerable. I want to be able to land my stuns and that Thieves have NO way of recovering AT ALL! The fact that they actually can get away is just….so daft! Why do Thieves get to cure conditions at all? This should be nerfed into the ground!
looks at 10 december notes
…..ohhh shiiiiiiiiiiii we’re going to eat your kitten HAAHAHAHA
^
Sad story Q_Q

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:33
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216
What: Daggerstorm
Why:
This skill has too much on it, projectile reflect makes them immune against rangers and engineer while totally annihilating them with reflect, and it shouldn’t give stability since thieves can stealth.

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:33
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216
What: Dancing Dagger
Why:
This skill is a spammable on demand cripple, and can cripple 4 people, cripple should be removed from this skill.

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:33
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216
What: Thieves Guild
Why:
I can’t find the thief when he uses thief guild and they deal high damage and cc.

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:33
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216
What: Basilisk Venom
Why:
It’s op to use it with runes of lyssa, thieves shouldn’t remove conditions since they have stealth.

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:33
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216
What: Death Blossom
Why:
Remove evade and bleeds from this skill, 3x 10s bleeds are op while evading.

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:33
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216
What: Cloak & Dagger
Why:
This skill is spammable and gives stealth, remove stealth from this skill.

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863
Post date: December 04, 2013 08:33
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216
What: Flanking Strike
Why:
Spammable evade and boonsteal, remove evade from this skill.

Originally by: style.6173
Post date: December 03, 2013 21:07
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3308637
What: Thieves should not be able to use any weapons.
Why:
Once a thief looked at me and without attacking me, I received 35k damage. This is with my 30,000 HP and 3,500 toughness.
Why should thieves be able to do so much damage to me without them even attacking????
:D There.

Originally by: Nines.4368
Post date: December 03, 2013 21:27
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3308766
What: Thieves.
Why:
They are too OP. Why do we even need this class to ruin the whole game for us? Lets just remove the whole class so that all the other ones won’t feel like the underdog.

Originally by: SoLeciTO.3490
Post date: December 03, 2013 21:35
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3308810
What: Thief
Why:
I saw once a stealth thief capturing the 3 zones at same time in SPVP.
Anet should not allow that.

Originally by: Excalibur.9748
Post date: December 03, 2013 21:37
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3308820
What: Stealth
Why:
Stealth op!!111!!!1
Just do it.

Originally by: VIVorcha.7853
Post date: January 04, 2014 02:40
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309027
What: Hide in Shadows
Why:
You get high healing, DOT removal, regeneration, and stealth. It dominates, and condition builds suffer the most. I’m thinking the healing should be lowered slightly (maybe equal to Shelter) and the condition removal should be limited to removing one DOT condition.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/I-think-it-s-time-to-nerf-Hide-in-Shadows/first#post3308620

Originally by: Otaur.9268
Post date: January 04, 2014 02:41
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309034
What: Condition Damage (Chocking gas and caltrops specifically) and Stealth
Why:
I spammed shortbow poison aoe, caltrops, etc to apply conditions on foes in area and noticed I can pretty much kill both players and monsters without becoming “revealed.” This is getting more and more popular in WvW and it is rather unfair… But this is enough, please make any damage the thieves do in stealth apply revealed. Spamming conditions from stealth should reveal them.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Condition-Damage-and-Stealth/first#post3225311
(Side note: Never mind the Mesmer’s clones…)

Originally by: Mithos.9572
Post date: December 03, 2013 23:35
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309432
What: Thief’s Eyes
Why:
They are so piercing.

Originally by: Upham.6137
Post date: December 04, 2013 00:09
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309595
What: Shadow’s Embrace.
Why:
Because the tooltip says so.

Originally by: Fortus.6175:
Post date: December 04, 2013 00:09
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309597
What: 10-16k backstabs need to go
Why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9d4Og8KbEM

Originally by: Fortus.6175:
Post date: December 04, 2013 00:09
Resurrected from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309597
What: Perma ability to reset fights and run away
Why:
100% immortality, specially when they can make an attrition war last forever until you die or they simply walk away.
Hope I got that right, cheers!

Greetings community,

Like many of you are aware the Nerf Wish List has been locked.
Not too sure why either, there was no message left or anything. I personally don’t see any harm from the thread, as it’s kind of a “jester” thread…

Either way, I wish to thank the mod, since it pushed me resurrect it in a more condense, clean, form. Plus it’s kind of fitting since there’s an upcoming HoT release that this thread gets “refreshed”.

I’ve scrapped togather a python script (found here http://pastebin.com/1YBHWL9E, yeah it’s pastebin), which goes over the old thread and parses it in it’s entirety… Essentially since HTML already has a structure, making finding posts easy, top it off with my own enforced structure of what/why/suggestion/thread makes it easier to parse/digest via a script…
Due to the character post limit being ~5000, it’s going to take me 44 posts to fully recreate all the requests from that thread. I will ofc go through those that look funny to make sure they’re correct.

:|

So yeah, it’s back.

The picture is of a pheonix… it looks cool…
Pheonixs never die, they rise from the ashes time and time again.

Well kitten, some of the requests have slipped through for some odd reason… I will probably manually add them in the end.. if I don’t forget or if I have energy/motivation left.

By motivation, I mean boredrom. As I’m posting the posts…

I realize that a significant amount of requests have been lost…

But, there should be a way to recover them and then fliter them out against the ones I’ve already posted…

Hit flood control… :/ must wait 120 seconds…

Here’s an example post to follow:

Originally by: (optional) Zero Day.2594
What: Thief crafting speeds.
Why:
It’s unfair they craft faster when in stealth.
Suggestion: (optional)
Take their crafting time… and double it!
Thread: (optional)
http://imgur.com/pAiF9Rk

Yo dawg,

I heard you like dodges…

Not too sure…

But on a completely unrelated noted, and hijacking this thread…
:P I’m working on my nerf-wish-list parser, currently digesting the posted requests and going to conver them into JSON objects. From there I will probably have the script spit out either 1 request per post or multiple request per post, so I can repost them…

:/ I will have to manually, by hand, repost the attached images…

On Oct. 23, at Soon.

What: Teefs and DDs
Why: Remember those days when there was a QQ post every week at least… WELL NOW THEY"RE GONE. Which means, the thief needs more nerfing.

:/ Seriously, the HoT Hype has lessened the QQ’s….

And:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Change-Wish-List/first

Which contains links to other change lists/posts… Now including the [Teef] SoT posts… (Man, I had to link em in there…)

Originally by: [Teef]

What: [Teef][SoT] Specs and Traits (Part 1)
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Teef-SoT-Specs-and-Traits/first

What: [Teef][SoT] Utilities, Elites and Weapons (Part 2)
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Teef-SoT-Utilities-Elites-and-Weapons/first

While I whole heartedly agree that they need to fix the core, judging by their changes resulting from the BWE they will be focusing on the elite spec and not the core…

Rhomulos.2089:

…
Bad game design, something we’re deff trusting anet to avoid while building the most important PvE content in the history of their company.

Oh boy…

Prepare to be letdown hard…

:P Depending on how hard the raids are… and if people are dying a lot… Being a ninja-nurse might warrant you a spot.

Though, if your concern is getting in raids, roll something that’s more probable (war,ele,guard). Though, it might be flooded with war/ele/guards for the same reason (being the most probable to be needed) and finding X will take longer/have a higher need (specialized role, like that 1 tank or those 2 supports in other games vs the 8 dps that you can find in 3 seconds).

>.> I’m kind of curious as to how people are finding this thread/guild…. There’s like a constant trickle of posts requesting to join.

Jana.6831:

As far as I know there has been exactly one buff since December ‘13 (when I started playing thief) that was the increase of dagger mainhand to 2 targets.
I agree though, I’d like that too, I just don’t think it will happen.

There’s been a couple more, particularly to traps/venoms (I think CD was reduced on one of them)… Though, it’s just so we can’t say that we’re nerfed ALL the time.

The change from trait-lines to spec-lines, I have a feeling, was their way of looking at all the classes and what’s broken or not…

Either way, they’ve said that there’s 1 big balance patch before release of HoT, and I wager/hope one soon after.

I’m sure a lot of people across all classes would be happy if they said “These coming months we will be only looking at base profs and what’s wrong/broken in them”.

O well…

Not to be a Debbie Downer but pretty sure it’s just because of the elite spec, like with other classes when theirs were announced…

Mord.9237:

Why not D/P for stealth stacking/interrupt and P/D for bleed stacking, or is the point to literally never come out of stealth?

The point is to never come out of stealth AND kill someone. (One of the first things he says…)

Don’t think it has much of a place in sPvP…

As for WvW, well, since we thieves already roam… yeah it’s another roaming build…

MiniEquine.6014:

Zero Day.2594:

So about the commonly seen argument or the notion of “hours of entertainment per dollar” metric. Like some people use it as argument that you paid $X (say $50) and played for thousands of hours (say 3000 hours), clearly you got your money’s worth.
Personally I think the original/vanilla was worth the price, but I’m not basing my judgement on how many hours I’ve played.
Similarly to how I wouldn’t judge a book to be good based on the number of pages I’ve read and the amount I paid for it.
Or going to a wonderland, getting a day ticket from the time they open and staying there till I’m kicked out – just to get the most hours per dollar of entertainment out of it.
Or I don’t count the number of chews/time I was chewing a bubble gum and the amount of I paid for it, to say if I liked it or justify buying and buying it again.
Or I wouldn’t choose not to go to a movie because it’s 2 hours long and costs $15 while another is 3 hours long and also costs $15. (Nevermind comparing the movies to games…)
This kind of “hours of entertainment per dollar” metric seems to fly way past my head.

On a deeper level… Fulfillment in life isn’t determined by the age of a person.

It’s not a poor metric to use. The argument is that what you spend your time doing is what you value more than that which you don’t spend your time doing.

For example, say you work a 40hr/week job that you don’t particularly like. The reason you continue to work for it is because you value what it gives you more than you value what you would have without it; money. If you could get by without having to work that job, you would likely fill your time with something more fulfilling or entertaining.

Similar thing with entertainment. You have a limited amount of time on this Earth and you allocate how you spend it to different things. A game that costs $50 and gives you 3000 hours of entertainment that you enjoy is extremely efficient at providing you that entertainment. A 2 hr movie for $15 is, relatively, extremely inefficient at delivering entertainment, but you may still enjoy it all the same. Perceived value and actual value may vary greatly as you may feel you loved the movie more than the game, but you have devoted 2998 more hours of your life playing the game than watching the movie, so you value that more, ultimately.

If only things were so mechanical, the world would be so simple – that and Hollywood would be so empty…

Might be worthwhile posting the guild’s info here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor/Guilds-Activate-Recruit-Mode

Shogun.7401:

After watching that video, it actually inspired me to play that game. I wish I had the same feeling with DD.

No offence Karl!! You guys really need to work on the animation skill.

+1 for Monk staff animation video.

Thank you for posting that video.

The twist is that monks are garbage in that game…

Shogun.7401:

I am going to try that game. But I would love to see similar animation for thief.

It’s grindy as hell, though, that could be a good thing sometimes/for some games. I’m on there and D3 while following HoT…..

So about the commonly seen argument or the notion of “hours of entertainment per dollar” metric. Like some people use it as argument that you paid $X (say $50) and played for thousands of hours (say 3000 hours), clearly you got your money’s worth.
Personally I think the original/vanilla was worth the price, but I’m not basing my judgement on how many hours I’ve played.
Similarly to how I wouldn’t judge a book to be good based on the number of pages I’ve read and the amount I paid for it.
Or going to a wonderland, getting a day ticket from the time they open and staying there till I’m kicked out – just to get the most hours per dollar of entertainment out of it.
Or I don’t count the number of chews/time I was chewing a bubble gum and the amount of I paid for it, to say if I liked it or justify buying and buying it again.
Or I wouldn’t choose not to go to a movie because it’s 2 hours long and costs $15 while another is 3 hours long and also costs $15. (Nevermind comparing the movies to games…)
This kind of “hours of entertainment per dollar” metric seems to fly way past my head.

On a deeper level… Fulfillment in life isn’t determined by the age of a person.

stof.9341:

Zero Day.2594:

Those are traits…

Semantics. All that matter is the big picture.

The mecanic is that we replace our dodges with other skills. The traits are here to customise that.

That almost sounds like “stealth is a thief mechanic” to me, when in reality it’s steal…

I get what you’re trying to say though… that Double-D revolves around using dodges…

Ascended gear when it was implemented was used to solve two problems:

1. How fast people got exotics. There needed (well, they thought) to be a tier higher that requires more time.

2. The gap between acquiring exotics and legendaries.

And to a degree, it has solved both problems to some extent… It does take considerably longer than getting exotics. Though the gap between exotics and legendaries, well, honestly, it didn’t solve, since the gap was always the RNGensus of getting a precursor (not so much the mats and whatnot) or saving up for one… Now this gap has/is being resolved with the ability to craft precursors. Which means, one of the points for implementing ascended has been kind of nullified.

The remaining point is that it needs to take more time than the exotics…

Without a doubt ascended gear, due to the stats increase (small, I know, but it’s there) over exotics, will become required by the hardcore raiding crowd. Even the slightest stat increase will now have a more dramatic effect, since raids will (or at least should) take much longer than dungeons… And every little bit will help get through them faster and safer (less time spent in a fight with a boss, means chances to screw up the mechanic means less chances to wipe/restart)…

I personally think that it would be a good idea to have Ascended tokens drop/obtained from the raids, which can be exchanged for ascended gear just like our dungeon tokens…

It’s a bit backwards, as in, if ascended gear becomes a requirement for raiding (by the hardcore crowd) and is obtained from raids…. But hopefully that will mean that they will take someone under-geared to get geared…

It will also still satisfy the only remaining point of the Ascended gear being implemented and that is taking longer to get than the exotics – raids should be longer/harder to do than dungeons, right?

(No infusion slots for agony resist is not a point, exotic gear could have been modified to support that. And I have to dig it up, but if memory serves, the 2 points that I’ve mentioned were their 2 points for implementing it.)

stof.9341:

Technically, Feline Grace was probably much much better than the basic +50 endurance. But DD mechanic is the new dodges, not that small bonus.

Those are traits…

No, it’s not just you… It was called Feline Grace – turns out it’s a whole elite spec mechanic.

You know you made a wrong move when…

This kitten still floats up after, how many weeks?

At the same time, who cares! The way it’s setup now, the new blood will wash away the old.

Amante.8109:

I hope Mr. McLain is consulting with some high level SPvP thieves, because he’s certainly not engaging in a dialogue with anyone on this subforum.

If that’s the case… It will stay in the hands of high level sPvP thieves (tournies and such)…

And honestly, who here is amongst them? Having a giant gap-of-void between terrible and godlike… is not so good for a class….

For those of yous bringing in “well others profs are also in kitten…”, yeah that’s true, and it has nothing to do with thieves or what’s being started here. Now, if they, the other profs, on their forums could organize something like this, then by all means. Trying to use this as a argument as to why it can’t or not allowed to work… well, it’s silly.

Carry on.

Now if only they could make ascended gear easier to craft…. Now that there’s an actual, progressive, way of building precursors and then legendaries.

Well even by this small talk, we can see guards will be needed…

Pretty sure some devs are in some guilds… so I don’t think it’s unusual or something that’s completely crazy.

I don’t think he even has to say anything, more like sit there and gather info…

That’s for all those thinking this a crazy idea…

The part about raids being designed so any profs can fill the needed roles, will probably be held true by their philosophy, however some classes can do certain things better than others.

Just like the current dungeons… it can be done with 5 rangers… it just won’t be as fast or worthwhile (due to time) as meta compositions…

So, since raids are coming, for those that will raid, it might be useful to make the appropriate characters as a prep. for the release. It’s inevitable that there will be raid compositions and talk of.

My guess would be that warriors, guardians, and eles will be need for the following reasons:

Guardian, for the buffs, and general tanky-ness.

Warrior, for buffs/banners – especially Battle Standard, to save from wipes.

Ele’s for DPS.

I’ve also noticed that it resets if you kill in the PoI… that or I was too tired to notice that the clip was looping….

NinjaEd.3946:

…
Just out of curiosity, did they nerf acro so hard because of this spec?

More than likely.

I’m still a bit bitter about it too, since they could have improved acro to the state of the elite and made a different elite spec (tons of ideas out there). They did do an impressive job making the elite trait line coherent though.

I get the feeling that old FG would have given us 4-5 dodges with the elite spec, so an addition 1-2 dodges over not using the spec (as the old FG technically gave us 3 dodges.), so yeah, they said it had to go, probably… That or, one dev QQ’ed about another dev dodging too much…. the 3rd dev that overheard, listened and nerfed FG… true story.

Only two things I kind of don’t like about the elite spec/staff:

- The heal skill: It will never be used, at the very least in combat, simply because it’s a channeling spell, which makes us stationary. Considering we really don’t have any passive defenses, when we’re not dodging or stealthing, we’re taking hits… Perhaps add a protection boon for the duration of the channel OR give aegis per pulse as well. Withdrawal, in my opinion, outclasses this heal and fits the theme more.

- Staff leap: The #5 leap on the staff looks a bit slow… Not sure what the intentions are for it, but it looks a bit lackluster as a movement/getting around the map skill. I’m not even sure if we can go up edges with it… Perhaps speed up the animation? Combat wise, it’s probably good as it is, but movement wise… doesn’t seem like from the stream.

Well, anxious to see the hard content PoI tomorrow! Only thing that’s holding me back from getting the game. I think I’m pretty sold on the thief prof, despite the acro gutting, which hopefully I will get over it just like I have(n’t) gotten over ascended.

I can do it in one:

Novelty.

There’s already been a couple of posts on reddit, people saying something along the lines of “didn’t they already have enough evasion?”. That will amplify once the game comes out, hype dies down, and people start looking again at what’s “OP”… QQ’s will return in the form of “they’re evading too much” – “QQ perma-evades”…. Right now it’s just novelty around hype built around the upcoming expansion, once that wears off, things will return to normal.

Yeah it does look good as a trait line, probably a must now, but, again, once things settle down – I want to say, stabilize – and the normal/real balancing starts, that’s when we will know for sure just how much the elite spec had and impact on the class.

Like, if you could skip time to 1 year from now for a brief second, and take a look at the elite specs again the judgment that you have then will be worth more than it is now.

Fun times right now. (See conditions, the bugged traits (guardian’s and engie’s) that made through for a brief time).

Not sure if that makes sense to you guys, but yeah.

Our class problems might be the least of our worries, god forbid that that IGN leak is true. At that point there will community wide problems. Hopefully it will be restricted though…

Maugetarr.6823:

I’ll sign on to this with 1 caveat. I am still bummed out about the nerfs to FG….

That said, it seems like Karl has been lurking here in the background taking notes on feedback and has given us a spec that is more cohesive and interesting than 90% of what the old acrobatics had. I will continue to make suggestions on how I think some of the core issues with the thief could be fixed, but I think we’re at least getting visits from the devs even if they’re not leaving comments.

Thanks Karl and other thief devs!

Sir Vincent III.1286:

What we really need is for those platinum balls to resist the nerf bat.

I like the design of DD, but I’ll have to wait (and hold unto my money) and see what they’ll do after launch when the PvP season rolls in.

^ Basically what both of you said. A bit more on the conservative side in terms of handing out thanks and seeing a bright future – due to history.

The amount of cohesion in the trait line is unparalleled, which impresses me the most… It would be amazing if they did that to every trait line – not only for thieves either.

Truth be told, I think I’m just reflecting and debating against myself whether to get the game and go on with or not and go elsewhere.

Death Scythe.9738:

…
do you mean the other 8…90% thief players that are using D/P ? and, “new role” … like …?

The 90% can be split into can be split into two camps:

1st camp. Didn’t play S/D because they didn’t like it. Well, doubt they will like the new spec.

2nd camp. Played S/D till forced into or saw how better (or other reasons) D/P is. The new elite spec, doesn’t bring much, aside from an aesthetic makeover to a style they’ve once played.