Guild Wars 2

Tabootrinket.2631:

Also there are people considering rerolling because ricochet is gone.
Has nothing to do with OPness or nerfness, they just removed a type of gameplay.

Which to be fair, did have it’s place in WvW zerg… ricochet was nice at pew pew-ing things

I don’t think the point they made about it being “random” is justified…

Auesis.7301:

herzeleid.3719:

Unrelenting strikes doesn’t grant rage when target is below 90% health as stated in the trait describtion.

Works fine for me

Did you try in sPvP?

I think there’s still that bug that you need to step out of pvp into LA or something, then come back in to have the traits take effect…

Unless they fixed that or I was trolled.

Nerfs + bugs on what got buffed (which means they don’t work).

That’s what happened.

Cynz.9437:

Kadin.2356:

saerni.2584:

Shadow’s Embrace – Does not remove condition’s listed upon application of stealth.

This is comparable to Shadow’s Rejuvenation only granting initiative after three seconds. Either ability should apply initially and then subsequently every 3 seconds as described.

Ex. (with SA) CaD = 1 condition removed on application, 1 additional condition removed after 3 seconds. With SR, initially gain 1 initiative and then after 3 seconds gain a second initiative.

SE is removing damage condi’s on entering stealth though. I ran around for nearly 30 min trying to find an instance where this did not work properly and could not reproduce it. What game mode are you in that this is not working?

in pvp for me; i had to wait 3 sec to get 1 condi cleansed

Heh, yeah I can second this… thought something was weird about it.

Thief still excels at getting between bank and storage faster than any other class.
It will forever be my TP flipper….

(Well, actually, I’m just too lazy to switch over my 20 slot bags to guardian…)

Saital.4819:

Pouring out a brew for the former best trait in the game.

Aye, here’s to all the good times we had with it.

Here lies what remains of Feline’s Grace.
August 28, 2012 – June 23, 2015
R.I.P

Dr Hashbrown.7104:

Mine looks best

Nice jeans bro.

Kury.8210:

Zero Day.2594:

MonkeyButtFace.4862:

Main hand mace. Specialization name: Thug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5RCeGiMby8

We didn’t choose the mace, the mace chose us.

-Thief tries to steal a lady’s purse-

-Mace to the face-

-Mace stuck in the face

-Off/no-hand mace confirmed.

There still seems to be too much RNG – Like what if there is or isn’t a guy behind your target?

It will still be too hard to balance – When there is a guy or two behind your target you’re dealing double/triple damage! OP

And it still taking away from the purity of the weapon set – it gives it something useful.

Yeah slightly salty about the removal of ricochet.

Peow peow.2189:

Zero Day.2594:

Still in game.
Still OP.

Great to hear! my fellow thief.

What is the weather looking like, after patch?

The weather is looking like weather.

I’m a bit more concerned about a few other things. (expansion/content)

Xtinct.7031:

DeceiverX.8361:

I already refuse to because it’s unfun and corny, so with it having an appropriate power distribution, and my other favorite lines getting buffed, no.

I believe this is anets intention, an attempt to make the other damage or evasion based trait lines more attractive for power builds.

So far so good….

>.> So that way, the QQ’ers will get what they want. They will be to always see us…. just might have troubles hitting.

Still in game.
Still OP.

If anyone is wondering, instead of watching a TV show, I watched Edge of Tomorrow. Good movie.

I was thinking it was a bundle of some sort.

MonkeyButtFace.4862:

Main hand mace. Specialization name: Thug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5RCeGiMby8

We didn’t choose the mace, the mace chose us.

Here’s my teef

Thoughts:
It looks like a picture of a thief holding a rifle…
Bundle? Wonder how did he do it…. O well, what tv series to watch….

Terrorsquad.2349:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Thief has been the best class for most of the last 3 years and you still complain? On EU there has literally been a theif in every successful team since release. Teams always want thieves.

Continue saying rubbish and you might see Necro get deleted eventually. (karma)

FYI: we also saw warriors, engineers, eles and guardians in every successful team.

Dude, that must mean they’re OP.

Top players are using them, they’re in tourny teams. Definitely OP.

Batelle.1680:

So you’re going to ruin other players’ game experience because of something the devs did? Seems entirely reasonable and not at all childish to me.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first

lol

Read the “originally by” ones. Those are from real players, not joke ones.

Batelle.1680:

You do realize that the vast majority of players have never complained or actively lobbied against you, right? And that your class is still in a great place, and received several nice buffs that add build diversity and efficiency? This is just some world class fit throwing and nothing more.

It’s not rare for people to get hate whispers.

Ragnarox.9601:

I love when you love to love those loving 50$ expansion deal that everybody loves loving with all kinds of love loving especially loving hot ppl who love to love this expansion full of lovin, that makes me love this loving of HoT.

Lovely

This is right in the feels.

With your logic, every buy to play game is worth it.

Odyssey.2613:

I semi-retired my thief and switched to a necro.

Looks like I ran from one burning building to another. I must be a masochist.

Or a pyro.

Yes.

Plus lots of yous have been complaining about all the perma-stealthing that’s been going on, and we heard you guys…. Oh we heard you loud and clear…

Vayne.8563:

KGS.9842:

waaait a second
“As a structure the MMO has lost the ability to make the player feel like a hero. Everybody around you is doing the same thing you’re doing. The boss you just killed respawns ten minutes later. It doesn’t care that I’m there”
-Ree Soesbee, game designer

did they actually fix that somehow without me noticing, I must have been busy in a zerg somewhere

Immediately after the manifesto was posted, there was a clarication. Colin is talking about events. Ree is talking about the personal story.

Just like immediately after the pre-purchase announcement they changed their FAQ.

Dude…
You just added so much content to the expansion…
Definitely worth the $50 USD/$60 CAD.

Stormbolt.7293:

Half of the things you mentioned are included in upcoming updates. With those removed, we have:

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- New Class
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Let’s also consider that Anet’s previous expansion, EotN, was $40. The base game was $10 when on sale. Coincidence? Seems unlikely in my opinion.

Again less than that…

New weapon and elite specs are the same thing basically…

new post level 80 leveling system is getting patched in next Tuesday pretty sure, only a part of it is expansion exclusive (maguma jungle masteries).

So really:

- Elite Specializations/New weapon for each class
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls (why wasn’t this from the start…?)
- New Class
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

- Additional Maguma Jungle Masteries.

Stormbolt.7293:

Zero Day.2594:

Stormbolt.7293:

Yep. And if you get mad, they’ll call you “entitled!”

You sound entitled.

I think that advertising the core game using HoT for months, all while knowing that it would be bundled with the expansion is unethical and borderline illegal advertising, and I’m entitled? Anyone who purchased the game recently has every right to be mad.

I was just trolling you…

Totally agree though. Not sure how it got past their marketing dept. but somehow they thought it was a good idea.

Stormbolt.7293:

Yep. And if you get mad, they’ll call you “entitled!”

You sound entitled.

Besides the pay wall the reaction from the current players/vets that don’t like the pre-purchase has already caused some new/potential players to not get the game at all.

Any specific builds we’ll be running on the 23rd… I know S/D but trait wise….

Knighthonor.4061:

Change title or get infraction

Nah he shouldn’t.

Besides he if does get infracted and/or forum banned that might just cause him to call his credit card company and take back/open up a dispute on that $60 he paid, nvm buying the expansion.

Pretty Pixie.8603:

The community manager said 3 or 4 days ago that they’re listening.

Yet still no reponse. To me that’s the equivalent of asking to speak to a supervisor and the attendant saying ‘sure!’ walk off, and never return.

So interesting thing about that is… A bit later in the week they announced the masteries and the patch that’s happening next week… For some reason that’s taken the pressure off…

EremiteAngel.9765:

Zero Day.2594:

yolo swaggins.2570:

EremiteAngel.9765:

i think your class specialization new weapon will be a offhand warhorn.

Because we gotta give thief something useless right?

Correction. It’s more like:

Because we can’t give a thief something useful.

this is closer

Because I can’t have thieves becoming even harder to deal with?

Is that even closer?

yolo swaggins.2570:

EremiteAngel.9765:

i think your class specialization new weapon will be a offhand warhorn.

Because we gotta give thief something useless right?

Correction. It’s more like:

Because we can’t give a thief something useful.

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

- Elite Specializations – Yup expansion feature = +1
- New weapon for each class – Links back to elite specs, no points = 0
- New post level 80 leveling system – Masteries aren’t expansion restricted, they’re being implemented next patch, this coming tuesday, only the magumma jungle ones are… sooo.. = +0.5
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections” – Yup = +1
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls – Should have been from the start, at least in my opinion… but still = +0.5
- Guild Halls = Same as above = 0
- New Class = Yup +1
- New WvW Map = Not resctricted to expansion, anyone without an expasion can play it, therefore it’s not an expasion feature, it’s just a feature that happens to be implemented during the release of an expasion = 0
- Various new WvW mechanics – Same as above = 0
- New sPvP Map – pretty sure anyone without an expansion will still get access, soo… = 0 (though not 100% sure)
- New sPvP Mode – same thing as above = 0
- New Confirmed Challenging Content – Yup = +1

SO, in reality your list is reduced to:

- Elite Specializations – Yup expansion feature = +1
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections” – Yup = +1
- New Class = Yup +1
- New Confirmed Challenging Content – Yup = +1

- New post level 80 leveling system – Masteries aren’t expansion restricted, they’re being implemented next patch, this coming tuesday, only the magumma jungle ones are… sooo.. = +0.5
- Guild Halls – Should have been from the start, at least in my opinion… but still = +0.5

In reality you’re just getting 4-5 expansion exclusive things… the rest are going to be applied to the base game from my understanding (marked with 0 or 0.5), and even if you don’t have the expansion you will get to play them. Plus you had a couple of points being duplicated to make the list look long and feature-full. 5 Maps are rumored too… I’m only aware of 1 at the moment… could very well be 1-3, we don’t know.

Sure.

Bump…..

But great swords master race…

What happens if we don’t get a rifle?

Nice. Definitely appreciate that change, though it would be nice if we could have the sigils and runes preserved or a way to remove them without destroying the armor/weapon.

Kageseigi.2150:

…
By the way, if you want to know what to expect from the guild, just watch this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q

That my friend, is pure gold.

StickerHappy.8052:

Zero Day.2594:

StickerHappy.8052:

Zero Day.2594:

Tarkan.5609:

I like the title.

I got excited…

Might as well give some tips if you can, while you are here haha

Join the TEEF :P peeps from it can help… I don’t play much anymore :/

If I was welcome I would, A lot of the thieves hate me for sure haha!

Pretty sure it one of it’s purposes is to help non-thieves as well…

What most people hate are the QQ’ers that don’t want to learn.
Like there’s nothing wrong with ignorance and you want to overcome it. But everything wrong with being ignorant and staying as such by choice.

StickerHappy.8052:

Zero Day.2594:

Tarkan.5609:

I like the title.

I got excited…

Might as well give some tips if you can, while you are here haha

Join the TEEF :P peeps from it can help… I don’t play much anymore :/

SleepingDragon.1596:

Can the person at fault come out and take the pie?

A lot of unhappy fans are waiting…

You’re supposed to leave out the last part and wait in the bushes….

Tarkan.5609:

I like the title.

I got excited…

yatameter.2518:

Alas, I really do have to learn how to use a shortbow well.

Don’t worry, you will get “obstructed” or the famous “out of range bug even tho you are only 500 units away” bug.

I’m sure it’s the blade of grass to blame. Like with dancing dagger.

Kageseigi.2150:

It sounds perfect for me. I almost always run d/x and s/d together. Alas, I really do have to learn how to use a shortbow well.

I want to find out how many people will complain about stealth after they get barraged with swords! :-D

Own them so hard they be like:

TT OP QQ

(Teef’s Team OP QQ)

Cynz.9437:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Cynz.9437:

yo yolo… i have suggestion: how about to gather all thieves on 23rd, spec into sd and go troll matches with evades and refuse to rez teammates (besides fellow thieves ofc)?

That actually sounds fun. After the update?

ofc!

I would be down to do that!

Then we can switch to P/D and just make the cry even more…

Cynz.9437:

Lenaios.2781:

Basilisk Venom+Choking Gas for that heal stop. Also thieves can still use their heal while revealed, do very good dmg and can use most of their skills too (all actually, except the stealth ones don’t stealth while being revealed).

you really don’t understand the issue do you?

lock on denies team support (not like thief got a lot from it)
lock on denies entire trait line
lock on encourages evade build and discourages use of backstab (that is already worthless most of the time vs engis)

lock on is lazy and brainless….

Pretty sure P/D is also left unhindered for the most part… And EVERYONE loves P/D…

Ephemiel.5694:

I’ll show you how they’ll justify this whole thing.

“Game is free, shut up”, “get a job”, “i bought the game and since i like it, that means my opinion is the only one that matters”, “just use gold to get gems and buy character slot, lazy cheap kitten”, “Anet is great, all praise Anet”, “HoT will clearly be worth the price, stop complaining”

Did i miss anything?

Yeah you did:
“You got 1000s hours of entertainment for $60, you know how many hours of entertainment you got per dollar!? Much cost effective, so savings, wow.”

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

Wait till we get our elite spec revealed… already parked two trucks by the forums to collect all the tears… pfft buckets…

Yes buckets — gravity powered buckets on a ropeway that stretches for miles.

Touché.

It might be my last drink to be honest… Judging from everything that’s going on and some of the decisions they’re making.

Yeah not too sure they’re too fond of them….
They also don’t seem to be too fond of their “vet”/current players, judging by whats going on.
O well, so many other games out there!