Guild Wars 2

Soon… I will post my obligatorily picture of beating a dead horse….
Soon….

@Zarania

Besides all the answers, the most “correct” answer is DarkSyze’s – since it’s directly from someone that gets mad at the class constantly.

Btw DarkSyze, just because you can’t seem to see risk or challenge in certain things, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist – well they don’t exist to you at least.

Judging by how freely you keep saying (across multiple threads):

Thief Profession do not require solving “no brainer”
Thief Profession do not require skills,
Thief Profession do not require risk,
Thief Profession Stealth only requirement is reward, free reward for doing nothing.

I’m very confident in your abilities as a professional thief player that is able to win tournaments that involve money. You should consider picking this up, you could make a buck or two easily given what you say.

Not sure if the OP is serious or if he’s joking.

Can’t wait for the next “balance” patch though, whenever that happens.

Oh, some other awesome reasons that tend to be brought up in QQ threads are:
It’s not fair.
It’s not challenging.

In the end it seems to boil down to “counterplay” and:

yolo swaggins.2570:

People get mad because there is no hard-counter to stealth. Despite there being more than enough soft-counters players want hard-counters because they believe those kinds of counters define balance.

Anyone rejecting the usefulness of soft counters and then proceeding to argue that there are no counters to stealth suffers from the STEALTHZORS syndrome. When you see someone your arguing against has this terrible condition, just let them win the argument because you will never be able to.

So, the OP doesn’t know what playing to win means…
K cool, nothing to see here.
(Read the TL/DR section, thanks)

:D Of course there isn’t any counterplay. So please, stand still as if you were afk when the thief goes into stealth. Doing anything else has been discussed to death and people believe is useless. Please, please, stand still.

Better than what’s in place currently.

MADAIR.1948:

So if we don’t get rifle whose gonna be the first one to make a troll post? “LMAO how’s that rifle?!”. Although who am I kidding the rifle wielding engi in the trailer is prob enough proof that we are getting rifle, even though that clip is well before they started showcasing the new class weapons in the trailer so carry on.

I’ll be the first to make a ridiculous post on how the thief killed me off screen with the 1200 range.

Just so we can get that out of the way sooner than later.

Ending is relative to the puppies subject:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Zero Day.2594:

Besides the skill “steal” and the trait “mug”, what does anything else have to do with thieves?

Thieves also kick puppies.

:/ Sorry, no “kick” skill in game. And no ambient puppies either.

Scoobaniec.9561:

DiogoSilva.7089:

Scoobaniec.9561:

DiogoSilva.7089:

The one time I chatted with Roy Cronacher in-game (revenant’s designer), he said they would probably reveal 2-3 specs each week, and only after that would they show everything else about the revenant. But it was clear to me that no definitive plans were set in stone yet.

I believe someone said each spec will take a week.

Anet did, during HoT’s announcement. Several weeks later, Roy replied to my question in-game, saying that they were aiming for 2-3 per week (if my memory isn’t wrong, it could have been 1-2 instead).

Hope so as specializations doesnt bring all that much to waste a week per one specialization when in reality there not much going for them from my pov. 1 new weapon, 6 new skills (heal, 4 utility, elite) and new traitline with slighty modified class mechanic doesnt cut the problem base classes suffer from.

Well the only reason why they would do 1 profession a week is to drag out some time. That’s really about it.
The specs definitely wont cure issues with the base classes, pretty sure they’ve given up on that, but instead will hopefully give some diversification to classes.

Besides the skill “steal” and the trait “mug”, what does anything else have to do with thieves?

Judging by the forum QQ’s using a mini while in stealth shouldn’t put you at a disadvantage simply because your opponent wont know how to use it to their advantage.

If anything it might even be advantageous against some QQ’ers as it can be and opening distraction…
“Hey look a cute panda -”
< gets stabbed to death >
“Wah, what happened? PANDA OPEEEH”

pfanne.9783:

Zero Day.2594:

Sars.8792:

call someone bad…. expect positive result. I will try that sometime.

It’s called negative reinforcement.

And it doesn’t work in online matches.
Your are not your teammates mom and they don’t value your opnion.
If you don’t phrase your critique as delicate as possible people will think you are an elitist and ignore what you say or do the opposite.
Have you EVER seen someone react positive to negative critique in an online match?
I can’t fathom that people still don’t understand that lashing out at your teammates is the single most dumbest thing you can do in online gaming.

Never said whether it works or not.

Dante.1763:

Zero Day.2594:

That or, I’m so rich that I popped open my wallet, pulled out my credit card, bought some gems, converted said gems into gold, and bought the legendary/precursor. :| The job that I do must be that legendary journey…

Buy me one please?! :O JK, but i i did the same for my mother for one of her christmas gifts. After 2.5 years of playing this game, and not getting a precursor drop, getting 13k achievement points and doing all the living story 1 and all the other content, i figure shes earned a legendary. More so than most with them… (Actually bought her a precursor and my dad and brother chipped in to help) Her reaction was well worth it xD

Not really judging, but I wouldn’t have spent $300-500 on an in game item, would have rather got her a different gift – if she’s into gaming, a graphics card or something/gaming keyboard+mouse/an awesome chair.

In reality, these legendaries are as legendary as you make them out to be. They’re just fancy skins, and at most their just one weapon with swappable stats.

Not sure how much lore there is behind them currently, definitely getting added in the expansion though. Nothing much (sure projectiles and skill effects change) happens when you use them, nothing epic. They don’t, and really can’t, have effects on builds.

They’re just cool skins and swappable stats.

Taobella.6597:

cluster shot was 1200 range to begin with

Just like it flew and activated 25% faster….

Dante.1763:

Zero Day.2594:

Right, because they’re legendary now.
I guess it is legendary how I’m flipping towards a precursor right now.

You know it! Its the most legendary flipping ever! Your flipping is so legendary, it deserves a legendary of its own!

That or, I’m so rich that I popped open my wallet, pulled out my credit card, bought some gems, converted said gems into gold, and bought the legendary/precursor. :| The job that I do must be that legendary journey…

Sars.8792:

call someone bad…. expect positive result. I will try that sometime.

It’s called negative reinforcement.

How enforcing they are about this rule at less-to-non-competitive levels of play is uncertain.

Someone that’s doing a tournament certainly wouldn’t use macros, risking getting caught…
vs
Someone that plays casually…

I can see macros being useful in WvW situations, like having a macro for commander that types out “RALLY ON ME” in chat might be useful and not really harmful.

Always been curious on learning how (and if) keyboard macros are detected, and how they differ versus normal key presses. I assume one way to detect is the speed at which buttons are pressed, or the lack of delay between key presses.

Pretty sure you’re not allowed to use macros either.

Right, because they’re legendary now.
I guess it is legendary how I’m flipping towards a precursor right now.

Supposedly they all play all the classes… We’ve even seen some footage of that thief gameplay from one of the devs…

munki.6402:

You know what, Test, this game obviously will never be what you want it to be. Why don’t you just leave it at that? Why this continued campaign? Your horse is long dead. It’s a quivering, gelatinous mass. Just walk away. Please.

But beating a dead horse is just so much fun.

Not sure what they think of the thief.
It doesn’t seem they mind stealth all that much, considering how much QQ it receives.
They always had some sort of attraction to traps and venoms, though never managed to get it to the point of being useful or where one would design a whole build around traps or venoms (well… venom share).

Pretty sure a revamp has always been welcomed. Just a lot of QQ’ers suggest very poor revamps that are more of a “let’s make it easier for me” revamps.

I’ve re-rolled too (well kept the thief…), to a guardian and a warrior. Leveling them in EotM was decent/fun, but once I hit 80 for some reason couldn’t really care to play them. Never took them into sPvP. They did feel a lot more tankier/robust even when they were up-leveled in kittenty gear and going full glass-cannon, and damage wise they did feel a bit less or about the same. But that’s just my experience in EotM while leveling – not even normal WvW. So yeah, quit shortly after getting both of them to 80.

I’m a bit interested in what they will do with the specs though. They did say that there will be more after the release, so kind of wondering how often will they release specs (probably 8 months to 1 year apart). Specs might be their way of adding diversity and hopefully balance to classes

Azhure.1857:

Almost all of my characters are Charr. I enjoy playing as that race, truly.
With that said….
I don’t understand why a Charr character should be sexually appealing to a human player. Showing more fur while maintaining a battle ready appearance? Sure. But sexually? That’s disturbing.

Just give the benefit of the doubt that the OP meant seductive to the Charr race – which could be anything other than what we find seductive.

Celtic Lady.3729:

Maybe it’s a troll thread.

I don’t think it is… which again could be a scary thing.

Xdmatt.3958:

OP – please. For the love of god, PLEASE. Tell me you don’t own any cats.
Or any dogs for good measure.
And if you do, please turn your pets in to the Humane Society.

Because anyone asking for a “seductive” outfit for an animalistic race has some serious wires crossed in the ol’ noggin.
You didn’t ask for “skimpy”, mind you, which I wouldn’t have a problem with. You asked for “seductive”. Two big differences as we say in Odessa; look it up.

Your thread title is, quite frankly, disgusting.

Depends on how you interpret it.

Yeah one interpretation is disgusting.

The other is seductive in charr culture – whatever that might mean. Maybe in their culture it’s more armor and less tail… Or someone posted a picture of lady gaga (?) covered in steak/meat, maybe their culture finds that to be seductive.

But yeah, this really isn’t a post you see everyday.

But of Thorns

And 1200 range would be awesome too, all in one trait.

Tigaseye.2047:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Tigaseye.2047:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Lorgus.6148:

I doubt that charr standards of seduction would even match our own. For all we know, a charrs attractiveness could be measured by size of the horns, with no merit being given to the outfit at all.

But what if said female charr is trying to attract a handsome human thief that killed an Elder Dragon by joining the Tyria High Varsity Cheerleader team, only to be disappointed by the lack of seductive outfits in the Gem Store? The day the Exemplar outfits are released, is the day of redemption.

She could always transfer to TC Bayside High, where the cheerleader squad is ranked #1 NA, but her family currently doesn’t have the funds to pay for such a move. Still, Tyria High is a fine school for all RPers to attend. A charr can learn a lot about humans there.

Why would a female Charr be trying to attract a human?

Because interracial love has no boundaries?

Interracial love doesn’t have, no.

Interspecies love, however, definitely should have.

Apparently not on these forums.

Next thing up will be a request for asura in seductive outfits…

noynek.8953:

I haven’t heard so much kittening about stealth since Burning Crusade.

Well, I think it is a crusade of some sort….

:P The Wings of Thorns.

Wings -> dragon wings… Mordremoth.

And instead of HoT it would be WoT (?) .

DeWolfe.2174:

Dondagora.9645:

Literally trying random combinations of letters. No idea how long it is, or if it’s a word or not… but I will keep at it.

Even if we figured out the password, I’m fairly certain we’d get kicked the second we entered. Though would be very interesting to get in there.

:P It would be more for the thought of “I got in! Yaya!” then anything at that point.

We could all unite and develop a collaborative strategy for cracking the password.

met.9653:

Fractal sword for me, got nice slick and lightweight look. I love bolt but don’t have mats and gold to craft this one now.

Hopefully that will change after expansion. Might require more to craft it (well the precursor) but at least the method will hopefully be straightforward and one in which you can measure your progression in a term other than how much gold you have saved up.

Maugetarr.6823:

I don’t think the OP in that thread knew anything about how to fight thieves. I got about halfway through the first page and he says the thief was running S/P +SB, was stealthing continually, and had high condition damage and bleeds.

-.-

Oh yeah I doubt it… it just it started to turn into a kitten show after the first page, and even on the first page there were some posts that… well, didn’t help the OP much at all.

Nadeen.6371:

Sube Dai.8496:

I don’t think it will be that long. The time between the original stress tests/betas and launch wasn’t that long. I expect release by june or july

I’m thinking more like end of August to celebrate GW2 being out for 3 years.

Yeah, that’s the feel for it at least. End of summer.

Advent.6193:

There are a few things that could be done to somewhat normalize the SA/Acro divide.

• Assassin’s Reward needs better scaling than it currently possesses.
• Pain Response should be retweaked to remove Torment … especially when one considers that PR also handles other “pain” conditions (i.e. Burning, Bleeding, Poison).
• I would not be adverse to adding another Might stack to Power of Inertia.
• Fleet of Foot removes Cripple/Weakness. I’m a bit surprised that Immob. wasn’t added to that.
• Assassin’s Equilibrium … seriously, it’s an insult to hand Revenants Stability-on-dodge, when AE should have honestly been the original Dodge-Stability.

Although, these are just from my opinion. I’d think others on this side of the forum jungle would mostly agree.

Yeah… I also noticed that when I was reading Revenant’s traits and noticed the 3 point master trait which resembled AE quite a bit… The duration on revenant’s version (from wiki) is 2.5 while the thief’s is 1.5. The trait for revenants is placed into a tank-type tree, ours is in acro…
O well, seems balanced.

@Sebrent

While that’s true in most social situation that would happen in real life…
On the forums it’s a bit different. There’s nothing preventing the “immature” person from continuing with their actions and even attacking/provoking those that are “mature”. To add to this, besides those participating in the discussion right now, more can come and go at any time, and typically the amount of “immaturity” will increase. So while you’re trying to have some sort of meaningful discussion the toxic background noise (I don’t think mature/immature is too correct of a term) will continuously increase.

A good example of a thread that exhibited this would be:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/whole-team-beat-by-single-thief/

The OP got the best answers on the first page, everything after the first page… Eventually the mods closed the thread down…

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

Joke’s on you, it’s really happening. And you know how plausible this is.

Which part? The nerf or the Shadow Form?

:P Nerf.

Btw your “sources” gave it away… Sounded like you’re writing a news article.

It can’t be too serious or too legit else people will believe that it’s true — even though it’s more than likely to happen.

Should have linked to the patch notes of the Chinese site and said that they translate to so and so…
Would have at least gotten people to believe to the point of them trying to paste the patch notes into Google translate or using chrome. Ofc people would doubt themselves, like if they missed to copy-paste properly, if it’s not translating properly – but they probably wouldn’t doubt you.

Flamealchemist.2681:

…
-If there is less lag >.<

Partially solvable on your end.

Sebrent.3625:

It’d be nice if some of you tried to have an actual conversation about it instead of:

• Beating a poor defenseless horse while it tries to nap
• Complain that Thieves are OP
• Complain that people complain that Thieves are OP

…

:D But people like beating dead horses… Here let’s go to the general forums and open up a topic on capes or Cantha. Never mind, the thread about Cantha is still going on, don’t think it ever stopped.

People don’t really want change, instead they either come here to vent or to make suggestions in making their own (and like minded people) lives easier.

And complaining about the complaining, well after +2 years, their complaining is getting old.

You also won’t haven any sort of meaningful discussion because someone that’s buthurt will eventually step in to say something about their rash – and that’s when the thread will go down hill.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

Joke’s on you, it’s really happening. And you know how plausible this is.

Which part? The nerf or the Shadow Form?

:P Nerf.

Btw your “sources” gave it away… Sounded like you’re writing a news article.

morbidillusion.2759:

Quadox.7834:

Stop bringing up backstab, it has no relevance in this conversation. This is for all skills in stealth. sb auto is one good example.. ranger stealth auto is another.

Backstab has no relevance in a thread about Thieves attacking in stealth…

Is this real life?

It is april fools…

Joke’s on you, it’s really happening. And you know how plausible this is.

Here guys, justs re-read this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Suggestion-Revealed-when-blocked-missed/first

Since it’s already been talked about 8 days ago.

As promised…

nightblood.7910:

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And I actually said what you said in my post. Duels are one thing, something completely different than game play. Yes I can reck you in a duel for the most part, that doesnt mean anything to the game play or your advantages in said game play. I completely agree with you on that.

Glad you see it that way.

DarkSyze.8627:

If i can comment: it is just not running away is a problem but it is the advantage of re-stealth is. Running away + stealth give thief huge advantage of reset fight anytime want.

Yes! i have problem with warrior doing same thing, so it is not just thief but the way Arena net design the class: which is very poor design.

Even thief player in my server say all the time that thief class is a boring class: because that is all they do- run, run, stealth, repeat. If i play thief class and was doing same: i would feel same way too

For other class who want to challenge thief who do that: get bored also and leave/quit game.

It is not bad thing for thief or any class to run away but to always have that option anytime they want: make it a problem, frustrate and boring.

Wvw is a place to Battle: if other class want to battle thief and thief decide to run away and battle a bit and run away and battle a bit: where is sense for thief be in wvw?
It do not make sense at all.

“World versus World (also known as WvW) is a Player versus Player game mode where players from three different servers, or worlds, battle in the Mists.

I hope you understand

What are the objectives of WvW? “Battle in the Mists” is a bit non-specific, there are some overarching objectives to WvW. Choosing to do other things is at your own discretion.

nightblood.7910:

As the above poster said, many classes depend on cool downs, your ability to stealth get away before dieing and come back quickly without cooldowns gives you a very very clear advantage. Like I said, in the duel you lose that advantage because who duels and runs away and who duels in places where I have to come hunt you down? I know where you are in a duel,I know you are someplace close, I know youre coming soon, Im in that duel to the end myself. Thats as completely different ballgame.

Not to mention how quickly in sPvP when you get in trouble, youre able to let go of that fight to add into another fight instead of being downed like you should have been if you were outplayed. If you were not so enabled to run away, you would be points scored by the better fighter, not get away and turn that into points scored for your team.

Also understand this conversation went to medi guard vs power thief because medi guard is a problem for power thief and somehow its a rebuttle to the bigger picture. Thats a very isolated conversation far away from the bigger picture.

Your notion of a duel, or a fight, might not be the same as the person that’s engaging you.
The means/tactics by which the opponent might attempt kill you are also probably not the same as yours. I don’t mean the skills/class difference, I mean the means/tactics employed by the player (say waiting for you to be low on HP, or afk, or other scenarios).

The plus 1’ing fights/making them unfair in sPvP, that’s what the class is meant for, or should I say one of the roles it does (plus 1’ing fights, and back capping). (This is the only part specific to thieves)

The not being able to run away bit when “outplayed” doesn’t really apply in this situation, as their intention is to kill/get points and not to die, by no means are they engaging you in a to-death-fight (a “duel”). If you’re fighting to the death in sPvP, and you know your death is certain and you’re not running away even though there is a clear way out, (as “honorable” as it is) you’re doing it wrong – at the end all that matters is the points, you died because you didn’t run away and so you granted your opponent points. They ran, escaped death, preventing you from getting points and likewise receiving any.

“Also understand this conversation went to medi guard vs power thief ", our conversation (between you and I) was never about thieves or any class in particular. The only place where I do talk about thieves I’ve clearly put (This is the only part specific to thieves) so you don’t assume everything else is thieves related. I just asked a simple question of why running away is a problem.

nightblood.7910:

….
But stealth allows thieves to harass, that may not be you specifically, but youre ability to run away rather than die is more of a problem than you think.
…

Can you explain how running away is a problem?