Guild Wars 2

OriOri.8724:

sophiewhite.3149:

OriOri.8724:

Amaimon.7823:

The warrior’s not.. in the worst spot.. but he’s miles from being overpowered.
We’re rpactically helpess against stealth and enemies with perma-stability or perma-blocks…

…………. really? Because its not like warrior has a signet to make all of his attacks unblockable or anything.

FOR 6 BLOODY SECONDS. your 2 dodges can fill that entire time. “all of his attacks” PUH LEASE.

Are you forreal? 2 dodges is only 1.5 seconds out of 6. Second, most classes don’t have the ability to make all of their attacks unblockable for any length of time, yet they manage just fine. So if you are having trouble when you can make all of your attacks unblockable then I don’t know how to help you.

warriors also have a cd on their zerker skills. i cant just spam 6 skull grinders in 6 seconds. i know you probably dont know this as you dont play warrior but if you dodge 2 zerker attacks during that 6 seconds they completely waste it. i know i know mind = blown

OriOri.8724:

Amaimon.7823:

The warrior’s not.. in the worst spot.. but he’s miles from being overpowered.
We’re rpactically helpess against stealth and enemies with perma-stability or perma-blocks…

…………. really? Because its not like warrior has a signet to make all of his attacks unblockable or anything.

FOR 6 BLOODY SECONDS. your 2 dodges can fill that entire time. “all of his attacks” PUH LEASE.

Menyus.4610:

Saiyan.1704:

Might as well say it before some one else does… You won the fight. What’s the issue?

3k burns is equivalent to a single critical from a power class. Should I get into how debilitating Power Wars are? Y’all guys dish out twice the DPs.

It is not equivalent because 3k burn is 3k damage to evry class and it cannot be negated after it was applied(i know condi remove exists), u cant run away from a 3k tick (however 6k here))))))))) but u can always make some steps back when u are expecting an arc divider(which is also hialrious about its 450range but we are talking about DHS the king of pvp)

no no no no you dont get it. thats next week. then the week after we complain about thief’s. theres a schedule to this dont you know. if we dont complain we dont speak.

OriOri.8724:

It is way too forgiving. Core warrior might be underpowered, but how does that change how forgiving berserker is?

warrior is the git gud class. having tons of issues with warriors? maybe dodge a couple attacks. i know youve never really considered this option. but jesus dodge is there for a reason.

hasnt been that long since warrior got nerfed.

Djinn.9245:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

As for the suffering of said animal: it never dies. Its an immortal fish.

Yes, a “toy” that is an eternally suffering fish. Yay.

its magical it doesnt need water or air the flapping is just how it moves with no legs. its fine and happy.and before you say i have no evidence supporting this claim you have non showing its suffering.

Q: How many internet users does it take to change a light bulb?

A: It only takes one to change it, but it takes another ten million to find a reason to be outraged, offended and/or personally insulted about it.

i love you. thats hilarious.

MyPuppy.8970:

Yeah I know it happens, I’m jsut saying it is not that common.

everyone i know ran into it tons alongside me last season.

Buran.3796:

Potato.2567:

This balance patch is absolutely awesome. Contrary to what most people believe, In higher levels, Plat+, classes are very well balanced and represented. The only issue was that guardian was seeing a little too much play, Thief being too easy, and rev is a little crappy. Rev buffs are somewhat mediocre and it’ll still be slightly undertuned, but with thief and guard nerfs it should be alright.

The guard nerfs are very well done, Arenanet hit the right areas by making the pull dodgeable and reducing the burst heal from the trap. The pull was the main issue with DH and adding a decent cast time is really nice.

I love the thief nerfs; nerfing PI is stupid because thief is meant to deal damage and disrupt, the nerf that they did in order to make thief riskier by cutting down on dodges is awesome and is exactly what needed to be done.

Warrior got slightly nerfed, but the nerfs are fair.

Mesmer got buffed. This is slightly questionable but condi didn’t get buffed by much so it’s whatever.

Rest of the classes saw minor buffs and adjustments to specs that aren’t used, which may increase build diversity slowly.

Overall great patch.

DH didn’t have a nerf. They buffed the greatsword, which anyway is inferior to sword + focus so isn’t to change anything, and they “nerfed” the F1 with a longer cast which will change very little due is a unblockable and most of people doesn’t even known that the evade key exists.

Revs are done: they buffed Warriors and Mesmers which ALERADY hardcountered Revs, so Revs are now comparatively weaker than yesterday. They buffed legends that noone uses and the only decent work were the bug fixes in the mace and axe which also doesn’t matters because condi Rev is even weaker than power Rev.

Warriors got a 10% nerf in Adrenal Health in exchange of a wide array of buffs, but I think tha is fine because someone needs to stop Mesmers from being unstoppable. Both are S tier now.

they also nerfed warriors healing. but you dont care you just want the class to be useless right?

Jayce.5632:

Flumek.9043:

Crinn.7864:

Seems defense has gone out the window. Since the patch teamfights seem to be over in seconds. Power necro basically hardcounters itself with it’s own burst. LB ranger hit me for 90% of my Demolisher Necro’s HP on his 4>2 opener, but I still managed to kill him ~10 seconds later. I mean shoot I was in a match with Nos and he went down in the first ~20seconds.

I’m seeing fights where both teams will have 2-3 dead at the same time. This isn’t PvP this is flipping murder.

maybe the 20k maul build is a beserker amulet build with not much surviavibility after initial opener ?

I heard they buff Maul, the numbers are still not up to par. This is before the patch.

honestly this isnt the wvw forum. you cant try to balance spvp around wvw.

Ithilwen.1529:

It was in fact the primary selling point and unique ability of the profession. I say “was.” now Revenants are chronomancers too.

Pretty soon the will be casting portals and Moa too.

go complain in the chronomancer section or the revenant section. this is not related to warriors at all.

apharma.3741:

Henry.5713:

We should be careful not to deny all of the good features of any tool or content, modes or additions to the game simply because they might cause some “toxicity”.
This seems to be yet another discussion just like the ones about “raids”, “dungeons”, “PvP”, “gearcheck” and my personal favorite “dueling”.

Cynz.9437:

maddoctor.2738:

Astralporing.1957:

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You think raiding community is great and won’t abuse dps meters for griefing? Here is example: i got kicked from Xera group because my LI was the lowest and i am supposedly trash and inexperienced, meanwhile i am sitting at 10 stacks where whole team is having silver/gold stacks and 2 were dead (some clown went burning retreat off edge, other ate orbs 24/7) before labyrinth phase even started. I join another Xera group, we kill her on first try. This is nice and friendly raiding community for you.

Your post kind of baffles me.
Shouldn’t you be the one to welcome a meter that clearly shows your own worth to the party? A tool that doesn’t provide information on just DPS but also healing done, buffs provided, damage avoided, etc. Something that shows that LIs do not matter.

Maybe she is against it in principle or respects other people’s right to play the game in peace without having their every action monitored and scrutinized? There’s some countries where monitoring everyone in the raid for hours would be considered an invasion of privacy, others might be all in for this though.

you can make your own group kicking anyone who brings or talks about a dps meter in it. its a viable solution for you that doesnt involve banning people because you couldnt be bothered.

Cynz.9437:

maddoctor.2738:

Cynz.9437:

Except there is.

There are always exceptions.
Do people really count the dps on Matthias with all his invulnerability phases and the need to run around to cleanse?

What’s next? Kicking people when their dps is lower because they are on slubling duty (Slothasor) or cannon duty (Sabetha)? A tool doesn’t cure human stupidity

The tool gives more reasons for “stupid” people to be toxic.

personally i would like screenshots proving most of the raiding community is getting more and more toxic with this. so far youve had 1 bad example. ive been kicked several times for having low LI before meters. please provide your sources before we start allowing ALL anecdotal evidence to be allowed and not just your own. or just stop relying on anecdotal evidence as a whole because it means nothing?

this is such a tiny portion of the population it might as well not exist.

Poelala.2830:

AZ MILITIA.3942:

The Warrior is not OP he is easy countered by necro. Only time Warrior can usually beat necro is when necro starts because he starts with no life force. I honestly think warrior is a little weak in DPS so is necro in their own ways.

“Class x is not OP because it has one counter.” Lol, okay.

actually drazeh spoke quite openly about how DH counters warrior very hard which is why he liked it much more because it affects the game more. but anyone can counter either of those classes by dodging their mechanics.honestly if you want to learn how to beat a warrior or what its weak to go to the warrior section in this forum. plenty of “warrior is op threads” get moved there and get a ton of people explaining very well why they are incorrect.

Cynz.9437:

sophiewhite.3149:

Cynz.9437:

MrTJpwnz.4710:

I have seen one lfg requiring bdgm, imo if you want to see other ppl’s dps just get arc instead of bdgm. But it is their group, their requirements so if you don’t like it then don’t join

Yeah until everyone and their mother requires them, just like with LI. Make own group? Yeah, i did. Guess what? People have been complaining that LI requirement i put were too low and nobody wanted to join because of it. The moment i put them higher, the group filled.
Same will happen with dps meters. Anet should have never allow them in game. It adds nothing but toxicity to raiding.

but everyone and their mother does not require them. and if that does happen you can always form your own group. seeing as lfg doesnt require you to have it.

Did you even read what i wrote or you just read what you want to read?

Fay.2357:

Cynz.9437:

MrTJpwnz.4710:

I have seen one lfg requiring bdgm, imo if you want to see other ppl’s dps just get arc instead of bdgm. But it is their group, their requirements so if you don’t like it then don’t join

Yeah until everyone and their mother requires them, just like with LI. Make own group? Yeah, i did. Guess what? People have been complaining that LI requirement i put were too low and nobody wanted to join because of it. The moment i put them higher, the group filled.
Same will happen with dps meters. Anet should have never allow them in game. It adds nothing but toxicity to raiding.

If you can pull your own weight in dps, then there’s harm to getting a dps meter. The people fighting the most against them are the ones that would get kicked if people knew how badly they were playing.

Once again, issue with dps meters is that it promotes selfish gameplay and makes people ignore fight mechanics/rezzes etc. I already had “great” experience last week when we had a clown with dps meters in group that was so obsessed with dps that he simply ignored adds we needed to kill. I just did the same to show him how wrong he is – obviously we instantly wiped. But it was pointless, the guy continued to ignore mechanics and just talk about dps of the group and his personal dps.
Surely, you can kick such clowns, but when dps meters become a wide spread phenomen thanks to Anet blessing, you won’t be able to avoid such clowns anymore. Just like with LI.

i did but i didnt see a reason to respond to the rest. but since you brought it up.if the same thing ALREADY was happening with LI and now its stopped and your guessing in the future (with no facts to back it up btw) will happen all i can gather is that dps meters have now improved toxicity.but you dont like it. so it has to add. because anything to the contrary wouldnt fit the narrative. even if i showed you evidence proving dps meters were beneficial you would still deny it and ignore it completely. right?

Cynz.9437:

MrTJpwnz.4710:

I have seen one lfg requiring bdgm, imo if you want to see other ppl’s dps just get arc instead of bdgm. But it is their group, their requirements so if you don’t like it then don’t join

Yeah until everyone and their mother requires them, just like with LI. Make own group? Yeah, i did. Guess what? People have been complaining that LI requirement i put were too low and nobody wanted to join because of it. The moment i put them higher, the group filled.
Same will happen with dps meters. Anet should have never allow them in game. It adds nothing but toxicity to raiding.

but everyone and their mother does not require them. and if that does happen you can always form your own group. seeing as lfg doesnt require you to have it.

if warrior gets nerfed into oblivions (like people want) ill switch to a support banner warrior or phalanx strength and give everyone a beautiful time.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

zealex.9410:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

sophiewhite.3149:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Since these are legal,

“Legal?” I don’t think that’s fair to say, since ANet cannot every give their blessing to an individual program.

We can say that the fan-developers of the listed meters say that they followed ANet’s recent set of guidelines and that (to the best of my ability to research it), all the users of said meters agree.

So we can say that this meter is “compliant” and that meter is “not compliant.” They are still “use at your own risk,” in the sense that if anything goes wrong, you’re on your own.

tl;dr the listed meters are believed to follow ANet’s guidelines; that’s as good as we can get for any 3rd party tool.

i like how you think they need to say its okay. anet could literally post the code for it saying “THIS IS OK” and he would still go on about “b but its still a risk to your account!”

I don’t think ANet needs to do anything at all. I think we need to realize that there’s a difference between something to which they don’t object (e.g. DPS meters) and something that has their seal of approval (i.e. not much, if anything).

since when saying “using 3rd party tools that do x and y is ok with us” is not the same with saying 3rd party tools that do x and y have out seal of approval

It’s the difference between generically saying the use is okay and actually vetting any specific app. We have to trust the 3rd party developer that the app follows ANet’s policies and that we’re downloading a valid version — there are plenty reasons that both are reasonable things to do; that doesn’t mean that ANet has offered a seal of approval to a particular app.

i still think your just being incredibly picky for the sake of being picky. it has no relevance. if you want to know if bdgm is legal or not im sure the owner would gladly talk to you on teamspeak about it.

salvaged 150 of them and only got 12 hard leather.

kinda sucks as i cant get a early start to fractals now lol.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Since these are legal,

“Legal?” I don’t think that’s fair to say, since ANet cannot every give their blessing to an individual program.

We can say that the fan-developers of the listed meters say that they followed ANet’s recent set of guidelines and that (to the best of my ability to research it), all the users of said meters agree.

So we can say that this meter is “compliant” and that meter is “not compliant.” They are still “use at your own risk,” in the sense that if anything goes wrong, you’re on your own.

tl;dr the listed meters are believed to follow ANet’s guidelines; that’s as good as we can get for any 3rd party tool.

i like how you think they need to say its okay. anet could literally post the code for it saying “THIS IS OK” and he would still go on about “b but its still a risk to your account!”

Fay.2357:

OriOri.8724:

sophiewhite.3149:

Valento.9852:

I’m so sad light armor looks the way it does right now… so… ugh…

as far as i know we dont know what light and medium armor looks like do we?

We have the envoy armor, and the heavy preview was fairly similar to the heavy envoy armor, so people are assuming that the medium and light armors will be pretty close to the envoy armor as well. Frankly I don’t blame them for that assumption as its fairly logical.

I’m fairly certain that Anet stated the legendary armors would be built on the base look of the precursor sets. As such, it means the light and medium legendary sets will be utter and complete garbage.

looks like ill be making the heavy set then just so i have a set. sad lmfao

even if they could do that it would ruin the prices of all skins. when your bored you sell them.

unlike most classes revenants cannot change their skills. with that herald is required. that limits the builds already. and most of the traitlines /stances are done better by other classes. revenant is the jack of all trades master of none.

Valento.9852:

I’m so sad light armor looks the way it does right now… so… ugh…

as far as i know we dont know what light and medium armor looks like do we?

Felahr.9830:

Wanze.8410:

Funny how nearly everybody except the OP is talking about silver and not platinum doubloons.

because Silver are needed to be farmed for a Legendary, and Platinums are used for exactly nothing that requires them en masse

you need quite a bit of them if you raid all the time.

MikaDeMika.4369:

NikeEU.7690:

I feel like I explained my position pretty thoroughly regarding support roles. If you still don’t understand it reread from the beginning.

I’m not harassing you. I don’t know you. Stop imafining yourself at the center of the universe.

I understand very well that you have a distaste for support roles and a poor view of those who find enjoyment in playing according to such roles. You are responding to my post, directly describing your idea of me; which has been nothing but demeaning and insulting, based on a poor assumption built from “hints” in my OP and then try to avoid it by claiming that I have been imagining all of that.

You are correct in that you don’t know me and I don’t know you either, which makes your passive-aggressive behaviour all the more unreasonable.

ignore him. hes just trying to make you angry. the more you feed him the happier he will be. thats also why he edits his comments after you responded to them to make him seem much more reasonable.

this site should help you out with that,. http://qtfy.enjin.com/

Sorin Noroku.5342:

Vukorep.3081:

so let me see if i understood this correctly.

1) Bloodstone magic can manifest t self in a physical form that looks like red rocks, and aparently theres an abundance of it
2) I thought the purpose of the bloodstones was to contain and hide whatevers left or magic away from the dragons not to serve a meal for the dragons to put them to sleep early?
3) I thought one would require that key bloodstone in order to unlock the other bloodstones magic. apparently we just had to blew it up? and now its leaking and manifesting it self everywhere for everyone to take its power.

It forced them to sleep early because they couldn’t absorb enough magic to stay awake, the world was empty of magic again. It was locked away from them. The dragons sleep when magic is gone.

basically your saying once we kill 1 elder dragon you have no choice but to kill them all since they absorb each others magic.

Dececrator.9021:

Yes multiloot is the great problem of the game. The fact that all classes in pvp went condi is something normal. Archers condi, warriors condi, DH condi, Thieves condi, everyone condi. Players who duel using 1 button. At last some balance.

thief’s warriors DH and rangers are all power in pvp. what are you on about?

shagwell.1349:

With “This release will also include a new, challenging group-farming spot for leather.” you mean it is available in wvw zerg combat only and you get leather based on stomps, right?

wvw challenging? good joke!

Huskyboy.1053:

sophiewhite.3149:

Huskyboy.1053:

Rhiannon.1726:

With a “surrender vote” people would tend to give up with just 100 points behind instead of trying to turn the match.

Especially at Foefire you could be 200 points behind and still win.

Simple solution: require all connected team members to surrender before it takes effect, and still penalize people for AFKing if the entire team hasn’t surrendered yet. I see no problem with 4 people surrendering and 1 not, and the 1 person reporting their team members. Not that it would happen very often, but I’d be ok with that if it did.

weve gone through this before. it would end in people just afking until the vote went their way. as it is you cant punish afkers without punishing legit players and moving 1 step takes you off being afk. i vote no for a surrender option. it adds nothing to the game but incentive to give up. you know the saying quitters never win? this is that example.

I wasn’t being clear, by “punish for being afk” I meant that if somebody votes for surrender then AFKs, that should still be counted as match manipulation were it reported.

so basically they would still recieve no punishment at all but would punish other players. if anet ever fixes this issue my opinion might change. the idea is a decent idea. but in practice would be abused much harder than anything we have currently. games arent that long.

Huskyboy.1053:

Rhiannon.1726:

With a “surrender vote” people would tend to give up with just 100 points behind instead of trying to turn the match.

Especially at Foefire you could be 200 points behind and still win.

Simple solution: require all connected team members to surrender before it takes effect, and still penalize people for AFKing if the entire team hasn’t surrendered yet. I see no problem with 4 people surrendering and 1 not, and the 1 person reporting their team members. Not that it would happen very often, but I’d be ok with that if it did.

weve gone through this before. it would end in people just afking until the vote went their way. as it is you cant punish afkers without punishing legit players and moving 1 step takes you off being afk. i vote no for a surrender option. it adds nothing to the game but incentive to give up. you know the saying quitters never win? this is that example.

usually bad players ask for nerfs imo. when i was bad i asked for nerfs. then i learned to play a little and whala you see every class has a counter and you can beat classes that are your counter if you outplay them.

i stopped taking pics a couple months ago.

Wolfric.9380:

Agree but there are two potential Problems:

1.) Lack of full Teams resulting in very long Q times or teams with huge skill diffrence in the team Q.

2.) Duoing with a friend is a very good thing bringing players into pvp and also making new friends by finding a partner. While its hard to build larger teams most manage to duo and thats more fun then just solo. Removing that might lower the pvp playerbase and the social aspect leading to a more toxic environement.

So its not easy …

the pvp dev at the beginning of this season came out and said 1 was the issue. dont ask for a source go look it up yourself.

Seera.5916:

Join the group and then report the one who posted the LFG if you think they have broken the rules about what can and can’t be put into the LFG.

anet isnt going to do anything.

at least you can play it. i get 4k ping spikes.

if your doing nothing but making nerf threads and talking about how bad the game is and how people shouldnt be playing it. its time to take a break man.

maddoctor.2738:

sophiewhite.3149:

so your saying you can afk in spvp and get to legendary 3 times in a row?

You don’t need to get to Legendary 3 times in a row to get the Ascension… now that they changed how divisions I’m not sure how the division crossing achievement work.

maybe not challenge mode but thats only 1 fractal. check around reset. raids only are populated monday. then it dies.

You compared the activity that attract more players than everything else in the game combined, with Raids. You can check and compare Raids and Fractals on their reset days.

Of course it’s populated on Monday and then it dies, remember how Raid rewards are behind a WEEKLY lock? Remove the lock and you’ll see way more players running Raids during the week, but that would probably cause more problems than it would solve, there is a reason it’s there.

i feel like your purposely ignoring my comments because it doesnt fit your agenda. we are not talking about the ascension. its like your comparing raid armor in raids with ascended armor from raids. one is way easier than the other. if they actually made legendary armor in pvp getting to legendary 3 times could be one of the achievments. stop ignoring the majority of my comment so you can completely pretend pvp is super easy and you can afk in it and get legendary armor. no. you can create achievments that are actually difficult and require skill. its not hard. im betting your going to ignore this too though.

maddoctor.2738:

sophiewhite.3149:

you ask for data showing the raiding population is low. why bother asking. anet doesnt release it.

Low compared to what exactly? By following your logic all parts of the game other than AB ML have low population.
Ever checked the LFG how many people run Challenge Mode 100 Fractals? How about Arah P4 runs? Any other dungeon run? T3 fractals? Non-AB HoT maps you might find 1 listing tops. Judging by the LFG the game is dead and only AB ML is what people are running. They should rename it to Octovine Wars 2. That’s a far more extreme issue than the popularity of Raids.

i get you dont like pvp or wvw. thats fine. but having a very wanted item locked behind a extreme minority of the playerbase is dumb.

I play both pvp and wvw, I already got the Ascension before S5 started. The reward systems for both pvp and wvw are terrible and allow players to earn any reward of those game modes by not actively playing those game modes.

so your saying you can afk in spvp and get to legendary 3 times in a row? stop assuming pips are the only way to lock a reward behind something. achievments are a thing you know. and yes there are tons of groups running fractals daily. maybe not challenge mode but thats only 1 fractal. check around reset. raids only are populated monday. then it dies.

so first off id like to start with my main. warriors. warriors have recieved no buffs recently. nothing. they were almost non existent last season. while the passive sustain might be too much when paired with tons of cc other classes need much more attention first.
DH, DH might not have a direct counter but unlike skills like endure pain paired with berserkers stance all of their skills besides their elite can be countered. dont walk onto their heals avoid tanking traps just get behind them for f3
heralds/revenants. they arent bad. people just think they are bad. they take skill to use sure but in decent hands they still provide amazing cleave. people are jumping ship over nothing. the only nerf i would reverse on them is the sword 2. that one was just stupid.

maddoctor.2738:

sophiewhite.3149:

and if they do make content that can only be completed by a minority (raids are that currently. most players dont raid) then itll just be sold until its lost all prestige like raids are right now.people can still be carried through any level of difficult content if the others are good enough. you seem to think this is only a problem because raids are “easy” for exp players. newish players struggle rather hard which is why the raid population is so low.

First of all not everyone buys Raid kills.
Second, for the average casual player Raid kills are expensive, so it takes some grind to get that gold to buy the Raid kills.
Third, funny thing when talking about “prestige” while some ask for Legendary Armor to be available in let’s say WvW. In WvW you don’t even have to grind gold to buy anything like Raid kills, you just follow a tag with your level 2 character in white gear and get all the rewards offered by WvW. So using CURRENT systems, you’d need to press 1 on your keyboard and get Legendary Armor, how prestigious.
And how would Legendary Armor from PvP work? It takes absolutely no skill to get the Ascended set in S5, since you are rewarded when you lose. As for the Ascension, you could back during S1-S4 pay to get carried by a group of pros. And after they made it clear that you can still get it, it’s only a matter of time, you don’t even have to get beyond Sapphire, just get the division crossing achievement by crossing to Sapphire and in a few seasons you’ll get the Ascension. Again, prestigious indeed.

At least there is some amount of effort required to get the armor from Raids, either doing the encounters themselves or grinding for the gold to buy the Raid kills. I’d love to read about an alternative method of getting Legendary Armor involving PvP and/or WvW that actually takes a tiny bit of effort and requires a tiny bit of skill, because the current reward systems of PvP/WvW do not exactly require skill.

Fourth: got some data showing that raid population is low?

you ask for data showing the raiding population is low. why bother asking. anet doesnt release it. just go look at lfg of raiding for 8 hours. ive done it. then go look at the lfg for auric basin. see the difference? your not going to take any of this seriously i know that already. but from what ive seen its a very small community. everything from the lfg to streams to posts. its a minority of the game i dont really think you can argue that unless of course you have the numbers and can prove its actually large. all youve proved is you can buy the legendary backpiece in pvp. which you can do in raids. so we should just remove it from the game entirely and never implement it because it can be bought is what your getting at? i get you dont like pvp or wvw. thats fine. but having a very wanted item locked behind a extreme minority of the playerbase is dumb.

Sorin Noroku.5342:

sophiewhite.3149:

we have HOT stat ascended armor in pvp that im pretty sure free players dont have access to. we can have legendary armor in both of those places.

The HoT ascended PvP armor is new. It also doesn’t show much prestige (see how many people who got The Ascension prior to the new change felt about the tier thresholds being removed). Remember, I said a gate that would make it feel prestigious, also, why would PvP need legendary armor? Why would they need a legend back either is my question too…

WvW I could see needing legendary armor, as it actually uses your current equipped gear. But how do you gate WvW legendary armor? What would you be able to do in WvW that warrants it?

However, this is starting to get off topic.

your pretending it has to be super easy to get it in pvp like the armor is. im just suggesting its possible to keep it from core players which was your original argument. now youve moved it to how would you do it. im willing to bet you could put some insanely long term achievments into there pretty easily. “obtain 1 million kills” “take 5,000 keeps” etc. you could really make that long term. seeing how even behind raids its not showing prestiege just time invested. like all legendary items. raids in any game dont require skill per say. you just copy people better than you and become successful. their tactics their builds their rotations. “get to legendary rank in spvp 3 times” could be another. it shows true skill much more than raids. especially with the new system. im just spit balling here. there are people paid to do things like this. anyone with some time and creative thinking could come up with it.

Vicky.4563:

DeceiverX.8361:

I highly suggest you post the gameplay in the ranger section and get some high-quality feedback from other ranger mains.

Please don’t. There are only like 3 rangers worth listening to that frequent the ranger subforum. The IQ of the entire population of ranger PvPers has tanked ever since Eurantien left. Now it’s filled with 3 decent guys and a whole host of crybaby whiners who sit around complaining about how unviable and useless rangers are and how the devs hate the class. And morons who want to get rid of pets because they can’t be kitten d to learn how it works.

>necros ask for nerfs
>mesmers ask to not be nerfed
>thief’s ask for buffs and talk about how unviable they are
>warriors are ready to be unviable again
>revenants think they are unviable
>DH’s ask to not return to back when they were laughed at
>ele’s seem to just want a dps spec
honestly all classes have bad players that are just plain bad in general and show it on the forums. no matter what class they play.

Sorin Noroku.5342:

Astralporing.1957:

Sorin Noroku.5342:

The most logical place to apply a gate is raids.

Nope. Considering the exclusivity and narrowness of that gate, it’s the least logical option. It’s just completely out of place compared to all the rest of the game

I ask you then, where would YOU have placed a gate for legendary armor that was not crafting with the mastery like the weapons, that could show prestige? The only location that made sense to me was raids. Now, remember, it must be in a location that is exclusive to HoT as wether you disliked it or I liked it, which to be honest at the time I didn’t care, it was a selling point of HoT. We can’t place it in WvW, as nonHoT players do that too. Can’t just drop it in PvP for same reason. Sure they could have you grind out the metas over and over and over for a chance at the drop, but then we have things like chak eggs. Or we could have it like the new weapons, which is running around the world and then spending gold, which for more casual players is just as bad as raiding, because then you have to farm AB nonstop. Not many enjoy that. The next logical sense to me would be to tie it to raiding. It’s a new thing, they needed something to push people in that way, to play it and learn the hard content. So they put legendary armor gate there.

we have HOT stat ascended armor in pvp that im pretty sure free players dont have access to. we can have legendary armor in both of those places.

Ninski.5680:

If you’re struggling being able to fight this build I encourage you to play it and see its weaknesses, it’s pretty silly making a forum post about a build that isnt even used in high level play, vault spam thief is a bad crusher build that you can use to kill noobs who hold down their S key and waste dodges. If you wanted vault spam to be sort of viable at high level play you’d have to pick up acrobatics for more survivability and you’d lose a ton of damage. ( Your vaults hit for 4-6k with Acro. )

the whole “isnt used in high level play thing” doesnt work with any class. watching sindreners stream ive seen him matched with vault spam thieves before. and tons of DH which everyone said struggled at high tier of play. the main weakness to vault spam is other thieves (because skills hit instantly from a distance) and that its extremely slow so decapping doesnt work. but it is very strong in 1v1’s and oftentimes team fights. on that note i dont think its op. i think it plays its role well and isnt that bad. sure it might “do too much” but that doesnt warrant a nerf. its not over performing in any way.

Nikkinella.8254:

Sorin Noroku.5342:

apharma.3741:

@Nikkinella: Your problem isn’t that raids are difficult or you can’t do them it’s that legendary armour is tied to raids. ANet should have made it independent of raids as now there is 0 prestige to anything in raids as it can all be bought.

Legendary weapons are tied behind WvW for the PvE-ers and tied behind PvE Map completion for the WvWers. Tying legendary armor to Raiders is a similar thing. They said legendary armor would be for those doing HoT stuff. The only logical gate to make it seem as prestigious as we want it to be is Raiding.

Tied behind wvw for pvers? HAHAHAHA! Let me just take a moment to laugh at that. It is in no way tied behind wvw for pvers. You need gift of battle, which is absolutely effortless to get. You do 4-6 hours of afking with a booster. You don’t even have to actively play wvw or interact with other players in ANY way at all to get it. Kill NPCs, (which isnt pvp it still is pve if you’re just killing guards btw) Then afk in spawn and collect your prize occasionally killing another pve mob so the bar doesnt decay. I could see your argument if you actually had to actively fight other players or get map completion in wvw, which is what you SHOULD have to do that get a gift of BATTLE, its a gift of battle after all not a gift of afk.

Sorry but it is in no way at all equivalent to the amount of crap wvw players have to go through in pve. AFK for not even a whole day to get gift of battle. Why cant I just pop a booster and afk after killing a pve mob and get gift of exploration? I would have to actively complete those maps and do events and hearts and all that crap if i wanted it. It is in no way comparable so dont you dare use that weak excuse.

My point is, it shouldnt be tied exclusively to pve. There should be legendary armor for all 3 modes. Its just poor game design on part of anet that they didnt think this through. And as someone else has already pointed out, there is no prestige anyway in raids as they can just be bought. Its just stupid to lock legendary armor behind content that only a handful of people would even want to do in the first place.

Legendary weapons can be obtained by anyone regardless of your game mode preference. The new ones are obviously locked to pve players only because you’d have to do pve stuff in the new maps to get them. The previous ones can atleast be obtained by pvp and wvw players because we can just buy them. Legendary armor should atleast have more than one way of obtaining it as well to make it fair. One set for pve that can be gotten through raids, and a separate set with a different skin that can be gotten in wvw or pvp.

i dont think you realize how long its taken them to get 1 set done. much less a new set for every game mode.

sad to say anet doesnt care if people ruin game after game. they wont do anything.

keep making excuses and youll never get better. that goes for everyone. i get kitten teammates too. but if i truly belong where i belong i will make it there.