Guild Wars 2

witcher.3197:

And Coglin, you describe the totally pve part of turret engis who put all turrets on point, don’t chain CC and have the wrong traits.

Says the poster complaining because they have difficulty defeating a turret engineer.

Are you playing the role of the kettle or the pot here?

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

And, let’s face it, there will be a race to tank to T3 from all T2 servers just to ensure they don’t have to face anyone from T1. Mag tried to do this last tourney but wasn’t able to before they locked the leagues. Now that people know how it works, the race to tank as soon as the tourney is announced is likely going to be vicious.

This is the most uninformed thing I have ever heard. I don’t know what your talking about, but as of now, the T2 servers, as far as I hear from being on one, feel they can handle T1 just fine. Having transferred from a T1 server (JQ) to a T2 server in recent months, based on what I have seen, I am inclined to agree.

johnsonade.9547:

Chaith.8256:

Terrahero.9358:

Hammer is cool and all, but when are we going to get a real ranged weapon? Rifle is optimized for melee, pistols are optimized for close range/melee, shield is a shield. And now another melee weapon?

Bombs are 180-240 range, Toolkit 130, Flamethrower 400, Grenades accurate on players ~400,

Personally I’m not thrilled about a Melee Hammer, hopefully it has mid range capabilities at least.

What I’m looking forward to is having movement options on a weapon for engineer class if all goes well with hammer. If I can do warrior or thief-style non-targeted jukes with my weapon (since we don’t really get those in a kit) that might increase my lifespan in wvw and whatever new pvp play mode they are making. being truly mobile as an engineer… that’s kind of a dream come true for me since I came here from Torchlight 2. I don’t exactly want to be a nike warrior, but I do want to pwn in melee without a crazy rotation. Now if they could just come up with a giant wrench or tetsubo skin for me I will be arenanet’s biggest fan and probably rent out organs for them.

So you want warrior, great sword style movement, with warrior hammer style CC and cleave damage? Seems unlikely.

witcher.3197:

Rofl.. ^^ We’re not kittened. Only thumper turret is placed on the cap point so you can’t cleave them down, other 2 are on distant, hard to reach places often only accessible by skills like jump shot.

If your argument is really to sit here and dishonestly claim that players can only come near one of the turrets, is with jump shot, then your either speaking in unreasonable hyperbole, or are lacking in general game knowledge to even make it worth arguing the point.

witcher.3197:

Gl killing them with warrior or anything. You either aim for me or the turrets. Going for me? I have enough CC to win the duel (in case you are extremely dangerous and activated stability, I can kite away from the point, wait until it runs out, and then use my CCs to fullcap the node

And what idiot would chase you as you try to kit? You as an engineer would have no individual damage out put to be concerned about. If the player with stability chases you, instead of taking 5s to destroy the turrets, then they deserve to do.

witcher.3197:

Going for turrets? I wish you luck. They are immune to conditions/crit hits and repair themselves, so there goes your entire longbow set as a warrior. And if you want to attack them with a melee weapon I hope you’re kitten good at jumping puzzles and willing to sacrifice minutes of the match while the point is ticking for me.

How bad of a player/team are you, that you would send a melee build in to handle the turret engineer? When you make comments such as this, it becomes apparent that the issue isn’t individual skill, play style, or build, but the very poorly thought out team work on your part.

Your entire reply here, is describing how the worst, and most unintelligent players in the game would handle the situation, in the worst way possible. Please tel me, these methods are not how you actually play against an engineer.

Loex.5104:

I think a deep look at NCsofts forecast for 2015 could hint us the planned release frame

http://rpgparadise.com/games/guild-wars-2/ncsoft-2015-earnings-forecast-hints-at-possible-expansion-for-guild-wars-2#prettyPhoto

as you can see the forecasted revenue of Guild Wars 2 is dramatically increasing during Q3 2015 (x4 revenue) so thats Jul – sep.

As GW2 was released on 28 aug i think that would be a prestige Date. … i hope that they dont care about prestige dates and release it in early July. .. please ^^

They also could use the 28th April (GW1 Birthdate) as date to start their HoT-Beta (as this is nearly 2 months after PAX East this sounds like a realistic target)

And the exact same securities co. has projected a 4thq increase every summer trying to preemptively, and incorrectly project an expansion. Go back and look, it is true. They presume it will release in august, every year since release, and put it in the ptojections. This is the third year in a row it has occured.

if your going to throw out straws, to grasp at, at least try to be more original with it

You need to stop looking at games in the context of comparison to other games.

The GA states that there will be open beta test for the new expansion.

Absolutely, I will purchase it. I have fully enjoyed GW2 since it’s release. I see no reason I will not build on that enjoyment with an expansion.

I am actually more interested in what weapon the other specialization offers. I would love a 1 handed power weapon, such as a cross bow, so I could try a pure power build with my shield.

What does this balance of team work debate have to do with the topic?

I can train a monkey to doctor a video. Obviously, you know nothing about it.

As well, there are threads of players who were “accidentally” banned for botting when the large push to solve that issue was occurring.

Lets avoid discussing what you think, assume, or care to have as reality, and stick with the way things actually work, shall we. That would probably be best for everybody.

Lord Kuru.3685:

oscuro.9720:

I think of you are all taking this out of proportion…you have seen 1 picture of the map, which looks pretty sweet to me. You think because they are on a cliff that the map is all cliffs, but are there not cliffs by garrison? What about hills? There are plenty of cliffs in current WvW, but all of you negate that because the terrain coloring is the same as EOTM.
I understand some of you just look for ways to be bitter, but if this map didnt come out and nothing happened, I garuntee ur list of what Anet hasn’t done would include no new maps. So kitten and enjoy something for the first time in your life.

Their own description of of the map emphasizes vertical heights and knocking people off using environmental traps.

Since I do that now, and my play adheres to their description of the new map(s), then based on what your suggesting, is not to worry. I agree.

Yes. Dire and rabid are a very good combination, when it comes to mixing stats. They are arguably the best combination for a condi engi.

I will try to be a little more specific. As the previous poster seems more concerned with derogatory commentary, rather then offering genuine guidance.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ascended

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Celestial_Sigil

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lunaria,_Circle_of_the_Moon

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Eye_of_Janthir

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Quartz_Crystal

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Charged_Quartz_Crystal

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Celestial_Intricate_Gossamer_Insignia

From the video, the engineer with the drones, struck me as a minion mancer necro with robots.

Because often player claim lag as hacking.

As well, I can make a video that makes it appear anyone is hacking? Would you like a doctored video that someone you do not even know, that is fabricated, get you banned?

I like the way people insult you for certain builds. I have won 1v1 fights in open field, playing WvW and had enemies block me so they can get my account name and PM me hate mesages. I have had messages calling me a “perplexity noob engineer” when I was actually running melandru runes. Always makes me laugh. In WvW and PvP, when I get hate PMs, for almost 2 years now, 100% of the time, I reply with 1 message and 1 message only. I just reply with “I love you”…….for each additional message after that I reply again with the same message.

Raiff.6742:

Those saying Engie has no range abilities/weapons seem to miss out that the Rifle is a 1200 weapon, the pistols can be traited to about the same range, Elixer gun is 1200, Grenades can be up to about 1500 range. You can (and I have) make a very successful range Engie., especially if you like turrets.

You using the worst auto attacks in the game as evidence to support a claim about ranged skills? Are you trying to sabotage your own argument?

morrolan.9608:

LOL, Anet’s lack of any sort of decent testing strikes again.

That doesn’t make any sense in the least. They didn’t add anything that needed to be tested. So please explain what they could have tested to prevent a problem?

Yeah, um, that is not what broken means, but okay.

You mean one way to hurt this? Because that is all your suggestion does. Why should all of my friends in the far east, Europe, and Australia, who I have played MMOs with for years and years, be banned from playing together because of your bad idea?

What NA T2 server is outnumbered? As a player who transferred with my guild (and otheres we are allied with) from NA kitten T2, I have sen nothing but very comparative numbers and coverage between them.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

lmao people actually giving some detailed info.

The real answer is

For EU: Sever #1 or 2 or 3
For NA: Sever #1 or 2 or 3

They are only at the top because they have the most coverage and hence activity.

False. In the case of NA, they are only at the top because of the time they spent there when they had the coverage. The score take a very very long time to adjust. A vast amount of T1 players have moved to server 4-7 as well as those below 7, having moved up.

Define broken in this case? It appears to be an over used, and poorly unoriginal buzzword, that doesn’t mean what 99% of the posters here seem to think it means.

Baratta.1083:

I honestly don’t think they will do much for the WvW community at all. This is clearly evident from the way we get nothing for the past two years. It is quite sad all they do for this game is the living story. We get no attention from Anet except for a week of no white swords or something that is really irrelevant.

So many dishonest posters in the WvW area of the forums. Sure, complain about the real issues, but do not lie and claim “we get nothing” and “no Anet attention”, because we know that is a load.

-They took out the water and added an entire new mechanic for points for spiking.

-They added righteous indignation to prevent flip spamming. Made multiple changes to it.

-Removed orbs from EB.

-Added WvW seasons.

-Added, restructured WvW trait lines.

-Ran tests for PPK

-Ran test for sword removal.

-Completely changed population cap per server map.

-Completely changed AoE cap to 5 due to massive community outcry.

-Completely changed boon buff cap due to massive community outcry

-Added different PIN colors.

-Added Art of war upgrades.

-Added siege razor to aid with under populated times on a server.

-Added new maps through edge of the mist due to massive community outcry

- Added siege names to the build sites to prevent troll siege from being built.

- Added slimmed down ram build sites.

- Added siege disablers.

Baratta.1083:

The match-ups have been really broken for months and they do nothing but let it continue week after week.

What are they supposed to do about it? It is completely the players fault. They had a CDI on the topic, and are formulating a plan.

Baratta.1083:

I see a lot of people say it’s because they don’t make money from WvW in the gem store.

And? A lot of people claimed the earth was flat for hundreds of years. Do you believe every thing you hear? I have a bridge you may be interested in, in Arizona. WvW players buy the same things PvE players do.

Baratta.1083:

I would buy stuff from the gem store more often if it was actually something good like upgraded siege or good looking armor. Anet is missing the boat with it’s WvW community.

Eh, the stuff on the gem store isn’t for everyone, true enough. Most of it I am indifferent about. To be fair though, they have had a few things I was interested enough to purchase. They do miss out on offering items that would be interesting, specifically to the WvW community though, I agree with you on that for sure.

As well, I do agree that they are missing the boat with the WvW community. Personally, my main concern are those using dishonest tactics, glitches, and third party systems to get to places they shouldn’t be able too. Otherwise, I still have a very good time, on almost a daily bases in WvW.

No, not really. It is one of our profession strengths.

If the trade off was gaining some condition cleanse, which is one of our professional weaknesses, that is another story.

I feel the profession balances out in that manner of having a solid strength and an obvious weakness.

Cogadh.1845:

coglin.1867:

you claim keeps and towers are irrelevant to the game mode

I never said that

Cogadh.1845:

Keeps and towers are just control points. I wish these actually mattered in WvW

Here you claim they do not matter. So yes, you very literally DID say that.

Cogadh.1845:

coglin.1867:

You go on to demand the keeps open up to PvE dungeons.

Never demanded that

Cogadh.1845:

Keeps and towers …………………………………………………………………………………They should be hard to take. They should open dungeons with cool skin rewards…I dont know.

hmm, appears that is precisely what you said.

Cogadh.1845:

coglin.1867:

Your claim about the devs.

Never made any claim about the devs

Yeah, you did, then edited it out after getting called on it. Now it is gone, thank you.

Cogadh.1845:

If you’re going to accuse people of being dishonest, then maybe you should take a quick look in the mirror first?

Nope, but nice try. I am honest about what I do not like. I also have the decency to give credit where credit is due.

Cogadh.1845:

I get that you’re frustrated/annoyed about some of the opinions voiced overall, but I just get the feeling you’re reading what you want to read and are unwilling to actually try and understand what I’m getting at.

Not at all. The opinions do not frustrate me at all. Is is the disingenuous, misrepresentation, and dishonesty that draws my ire.

Colored tags? Certainly. For organized forces, they are very important. Sorry, I am not keen on redefining definitions to suit your accusations. Simply because you fell it is stale, does not mean nothing has evolved.

I mean, if you want to nit pick, you claim keeps and towers are irrelevant to the game mode, which is not true. (continuation of dishonesty) As they define the game mode, and controlling them very literally defines if you win or lose a match. You go on to demand the keeps open up to PvE dungeons. No thanks, we have those already. Guess where? in PvE……………

If your going to attempt to redefine words from their actual meaning, to one that supports your argument, then we could apply what I stated to your claim about the devs.

I do not need to understand your point of view. I simply need to understand what you said. If that doesn’t reflect your point of view, then you should articulate that better. The point it, I may not be entirely happy with WvW, but I am not incapable of giving credit where credit is due. There have been a great deal of changes that were beneficial to many people. You can claim and accuse otherwise all you like, it doesn’t make it less true.

FreekPalmer.2839:

Hello fellow Asuran!
I am Zipp Tinker.
I literally use my celestial stats for everything. I use strength runes and then build round the flexibilty of the engineer.
I also have lots of guides on my channel https://youtube.com/zipptinker
I have fontline builds, roamer, pve and even tower defence builds. Feel free to check them out and I hope they help ya XD

Nice channel Zipp. I have been running a very, very similar build to your front line bomb build for well over a year now. One thing, and maybe I missed it, do you have footage of you with it in action?

A great deal of WvW guilds have transferred to T2 servers. Several lower tier servers guilds were then able to transfer to T1 due to the space created. The result is that T1 has relatively similar populations as before, while in the last 3 months, T2 servers have equivalent populations. T2 has had some great competition lately, and any of their servers could easily compete with T1 match ups. It will simply take time for score adjustments to allow it, if it does.

Intelligent coordination would be to use siege to destroy your enemy as easily as possible. It precisely should be about how much siege you use, if it part of you battle plan. In my opinion, a lack of sportsmanship comes from belittling them here, for beating you with it. You have siege available to you. If you want to display comparable, intelligent coordination, you would destroy the siege before it is complete.

A true lack of fair play in my opinion, is speaking poorly of other for beating you with in the rule set. Simply because you want them to follow different rules, means nothing. That is a personal hurdle you are creating, then falsely attempting to hold them up to it. That is your short coming, not theirs.

I do not understand what you refer to with the “fair play” comment.

At what point is a war or battle, which is exactly what WvW is designed to be, have anything “unfair” about using all of the tools at your disposal? Any claim that siege in a battle isn’t fair play, is very misplaced.

Dal.5872:

They have ignored WvW

So many dishonest posters in the WvW area of the forums.

-They took out the water and added an entire new mechanic for points for spiking.

-They added righteous indignation to prevent flip spamming. Made multiple changes to it.

-Siege disablers

-Slimmed down ram build sites

-Fixed the getting stuck on building site bugs

-Added siege names to the build sites to prevent troll siege from being built

-Removed orbs from EB.

-Added WvW seasons.

-Added, restructured WvW trait lines.

-Ran tests for PPK

-Ran test for sword removal.

-Completely changed population cap per server map.

-Completely changed AoE cap to 5 due to massive community outcry.

-Completely changed boon buff cap due to massive community outcry

-Added different PIN colors.

-Added Art of war upgrades.

-Added siege razor to aid with under populated times on a server.

-Added new maps through edge of the mist due to massive community outcry

Please do not dishonestly claim that nothing has evolved and claim being ignored. Lets offer the legitimate complaints, certainly, but the insane level of uneducated hyperbole around here is just insane.

Dal.5872:

and as such lost 90% of the known big MMO guilds. Alot of a games advertising now comes from the players with services like Twitch, but who the hell streams PvE?

Literally thousands of people stream PvE. They have an entire speed run, dungeon community, amoung other things.

Dal.5872:

WvW is a competitive mode that has always had more interest than SPvP, but been neglected by Anet so badly that if it were a puppy they would be up on charges of abuse.

Eh, based on some of what you said, you would probably have been taken to the pound for barking annoyingly at thin air all night to, so……………………For example, you have evidence yo back up this claim? I Would suggest a good deal of WvW player play PvP as well, and vice versa.

Dal.5872:

If the 24th comes and goes and not a mention of WvW we can assume the game mode will be left to die.

I doubt it. I have a good time playing. Most folks I know do as well. Besides, why should we worry about your assumptions? You pretend nothing ever changed in the least, when a great deal has, so clearly your not being genuine either way.

Sure seems reminiscent of the warrior forums, not all to long ago.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Seriously its TERRIBLE.

95% of 4vs5 games were caused by people raging IN GAME and then dcing/afking.

Now you have to sit at your pc waiting for a pop. Cant go toilet. Cant get a drink. Cant make a sandwich. It is a complete and utter JOKE.

I hate it so much. please get rid of it. It is literally the bane of my life as far as this game is concerned currently.

To me, it sound like you are the exact reason I want that button. I do not want players on my team, off using the restroom, getting drinks, or snacks, completely afk and allowing us to get behind in the beginning of a match.

Mrbig.8019:

SobeSoul.6910:

Don’t queue if you need to use the restroom. It’s simple as that.

wat is this i don’t even…

You don’t even what? No one taught you to use the restroom before you started something?

If the might change that will over all effect every profession, will hinder your ability to succeed, it is a testament unto itself that a change was needed.

Personally, I do not feel that the might change was the way to go either, but the claims the OP are making, suggest that it was too strong for one profession over another.

The mistake the OP makes, is the entire complaint in itself, actually serves as a perfect example of why the change was needed. As I see it, your shooting yourself in the foot.

Cogadh.1845:

I just want to see something. Nothing behind a paywall, but just…something. WvW hasnt evolved at all since release. Its staler than the 4 month old bread I have in my cupboard.

So many dishonest posters in the WvW area of the forums.

-They took out the water and added an entire new mechanic for points for spiking.

-They added righteous indignation to prevent flip spamming. Made multiple changes to it.

-Removed orbs from EB.

-Added WvW seasons.

-Added, restructured WvW trait lines.

-Ran tests for PPK

-Ran test for sword removal.

-Completely changed population cap per server map.

-Completely changed AoE cap to 5 due to massive community outcry.

-Completely changed boon buff cap due to massive community outcry

-Added different PIN colors.

-Added Art of war upgrades.

-Added siege razor to aid with under populated times on a server.

-Added new maps through edge of the mist due to massive community outcry

Please do not dishonestly claim that nothing has evolved. Lets offer the legitimate complaints, certainly, but the insane level of uneducated hyperbole around here is just insane.

X T D.6458:

If you read the OP, he says he knows there are other exits etc, he is asking peoples thoughts about the behavior, not how to get around it. If you looked at the pic, thats hardly a roaming group lol.

To what end?

What is the point of discussing fair play by the enemy in which they broke no rules?

Is he trying to get the safe zone changed?
Is he trying to get sympathy?
Is he trying to be a sore loser and shame the other server by posting pictures of the servers name?

What is the point of of creating a new thread on the topic, after it has been discussed in the previous 5,286 threads on this topic?

Tspatula.9086:

It would be interesting to try a “no rally” test week or two, like PPK and white swords. I bet it would really have interesting impacts at all levels of WvW. Some of the elite fight guilds might get an eye-opener…

Although I generally like the rally mechanic, I am always up for testing new things of this nature on a temporary bases as well. You never know what might work out well.

I don’t think it should be “WvW only” gear. I feel it should simply be gear you get from WvW with badges. Badges need value, and a reasonable list of items, runes, and sigils they can purchase.

The only way I feel comfortable with changing the mechanic so that you do not rally off a kill of another player, is if they add more skills like warrior banner, that function as well.

Personally, I feel it is a terrible idea to change a game mechanic to cater to under leveled characters. Anyone playing regularly knows you spend infinitely more at time at level 80 then you do getting there.

To me, contradictory to the OP, what seems “elitist behavior” is to bring an under leveled character into an area and expect to be treated like an experienced 80. Not saying you do not have the right to be there, but that you are wrong to expect to be different levels, yet want to be treated on the same level.

With tomes, EotM, PvE, all allowing you insanely easy ways to level, that you would chose to do so in a way that hinders yourself and others, then demand they change the game simply to cater to that, is about as elitist as it gets.

Sirendor.1394:

AoE limit removal would make the combat better

Based on what? Were you not playing the game before the cap exist? the forums were spammed with thread upon thread upon thread clamoring for a cap because it was toxic for the game mode.

No one ever taught you to learn from history?

I have leveled every profession to 80 in WvW, and play them regularly depending on my need and my mood.

All your listing is a bunch of traits in which I can offer a comparative list on every profession. Your list means absolutely nothing.

Please, link what build your running so we can help you. You have refused to do so thus far, if you really want help, stop complaining about what everyone is pointing out as irrelevant, and open yourself up to assistance. As of now, it seems more as if you are here to pointlessly complain and cry nerf, and not really make any positive changes and learn.

DarkSyze.8627:

Bertrand; So you say tanky gear is answer for not instant kill? Do Super Class use tanky gear for not instant kill? No! So it is ok for them to not use tanky gear and wrong for other class to not use them? I find funny because like rich example; rich say to poor, “It is fault for not have more”? who control instant damage? Thief, Elementalist and Engineer.

There is no “super class”, there is only your personal inability to handle a glass cannon build. You should really learn to accept some responsibility here.

No, some do not use tanky gear, and they can die just as fast as you. Any profession can make a very quick killing glass cannon. It is about builds, not professions.

Your analogy is horrible in my opinion, this is nothing like comparing a wealthy person to a poor person.

You should either gear for more defense, or trait for more defense. Otherwise, you get a build with little defense, and hence, your problem.

Banzie.5248:

Rangers arent apart of the META and will not be until either Arena Fixes the class or rangers enmasse can prove they do things better then any of the other classes CONSISTENTLY.

You guys are getting personally upset over things that Arenanet and the Community have chosen to do for the class. He is not saying you cant play ranger, but he is correct in saying there is minimal to no use for ranger in organized zerg busting (Facing 1.5-2+ times your numbers) and GvGs.

If you want to attack someone, Attack the entire community and “Subset” gvg community. Or prove your worth and prove you can do things better then the other classes consistently. (Hint: Yet to happen, Hence they are out of the META)

Tl;dr: Get over yourselves, dont blame the writer.

“Not meta” does not excuse calling them (and the players that find them dear to their hearts from having a great deal of fun playing them) the derogatory terms that were original used to describe them. Nor does it justify making a conscience effort not to list the best possible manner to utilize them to……………………

“play effectively in the WvW environment. This is intended to be an educational resource for everyone, the entire forum community contributed to it’s creation, whether you knew it or not.”

Banzie.5248:

If you read the title “Commander Compendium”. Its meant to teach players the commanders thought process as well as teach people the meaning and thoughy process of zerg busting and by extension gvgs and why guilds and your driver may be doing x and y.

Again, Get over yourselves. Ranger isnt in the META for a reason.

As a commander, I do not condone any guide that intentionally insulted (which I admit he suggest he removed) then goes on to ignore entirely, while attempting to justify it. Nor do I personally, know a single commander who would not have useful purposes for players who chose to play a ranger. Such as long range sniping of professions, whose death in a fight, would greatly assist the side of the battle that takes out those professions. Not to mention a useful water field.

When you post a guide, it is reasonable to expect feedback that disagree, or points out what the poster feels are negative aspect of the guide. In my opinion, the only folks that really “need to get over themselves”, are those who imply anything outside the meta, is justified in being insulted, or to a lesser extent, declared or implied as useless.

Hamster.4861:

, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask more knowledgeable players to define what they see as the class’s role.

Shouldn’t you have done that before posting this as a guide? Or were you suggesting there are no knowledgeable rangers?

Brutal Augus.5917:

coglin.1867:

Why?

It is already established that they are slowly, but surely adding new lines to invest points. Why would we want to limit the room for growth, by adding something that competes with those points going into new WvW upgrades.

Where was that established?
Could you please provide a link?
The last time I remember them talking about adding new masteries was back in april 2014 which…was 9 months ago(almost a year) ago.

It was established by them adding new lines such as siege golem mastery. Sorry, I wasn’t clear, I gathered that the fact that they added an entire new line had represented my point. I should have been more clear.

Hamster.4861:

coglin.1867:

- snip-

instead of engaging me in this same old tired debate, you’re welcome to define the role of the ranger in large scale combat; a role that they can fill better than any other class, and recommend a build that fits that role well, and I’ll add a page to the document.

You really shouldn’t toss the “instead” aspect at me. Your the one who created a thread, not I. As well, I am not pushing a flawed guide into the community. that is your doing. I am not sure what your seeking to accomplish by attempting to redirect fault back towards me.

Secondly, why would you limit my option to defining a role they are best at? They do not have to be best at a role to fill it. Many people are going to enjoy the profession, regardless of whether or not it is the best at it. Your guide went out of its way to specifically alienate and insult them. This is your guide, not mine. Do not attempt to push your responsibilities onto others.

Hamster.4861:

When I collect information on a guide to teach others to GvG, and zergbust – i’m not sure how the GvG community would be irrelevant, considering they invented the play style.

Then why do you title it “Commander Compendium : WvW Combat and Tactics” and claim “This is intended to be an educational resource for everyone” simply to sit here and attempt to imply it is GvG focused.

Hamster.4861:

If you want to there’s a thread titled “Rangers in WvW after balance patch” which you can find here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Ranger-in-WvW-after-balance-patch/ where you can engage in this debate.

You are correct when you say that in the overall context of WvW, Rangers can work. But if you’re going to zergbust, I think you’ll find that GWEN classes are better suited to it.

We won’t zergbust? You mean you won’t. Please do not claim I can or cannot do something simply because you cannot please, that serves no one.

My only point was that your guide specifically listed an insult instead of a guide, for 1/8th of the professions. That it was a big flaw to do so, and that you might change that.

Your replies are to offer expectations of me to fix your mistake, and offer a guide to rangers, accuse me of incapability of accomplishing things (such as zerg busting), and suggest this is all invented by GvG?

You screwed this up, not me. All you had to do was say “oops” and correct it. Your not going to win any favor by arguing how justified you are to insult the profession and refuse to do your best to educate the community on it, and with draw your bias.

Why?

It is already established that they are slowly, but surely adding new lines to invest points. Why would we want to limit the room for growth, by adding something that competes with those points going into new WvW upgrades.

Hamster.4861:

Elenire.7306:

An interesting read to be sure but no ranger section in the class roles. Ignorance of the class or bias towards it’s usefulness in WvW or just an oversight?

If it were any of the three, it would be a bias towards it’s usefulness in WvW, in large scale combat situations specifically. The overwhelming consensus in the fights and GvG community is that rangers have very limited contribution, and they do not fit a role that they can perform better than any other class due to how they are balanced at the moment.

The GvG community is irrelevant here. We are speaking in the over all context of WvW, not the small, subsection of GvG players.

Hamster.4861:

Rangers can be fabulous roamers and duelers, and their single target damage from range is possibly the highest in the game. They are also hobbled by their pets in bigger fights, as a fair portion of their damage and utility will be dead and limping back to their side after the first push (The pets do not dodge-roll with you) .

Every profession is “hobbled” by something. What does that have to do with intentionally refusing to offer an educational aspect for the players who want to play the profession? just because the author has an irrational dislike for the profession does not make it reasonable to refuse to offer reasonable advice for both the players of the profession, and the commanders that guide them.

Hamster.4861:

Skilled individuals can play them, and make them work, but those highly skilled rangers are very rare. From my personal experience, most of the folks I encounter playing rangers don’t do a particularly good job representing the class, and “go full potato” after their rapidfire is evaded, reflected, or blocked.

And you promote a an intentional roadblock to prevent new or inexperienced players from becoming skilled with the ranger by supporting the bashing of the profession over informed advice in this case.

Hamster.4861:

I didn’t invent the meta, the compositions, or the class roles, I just collected the information available and presented it. As I said in the beginning, this is about helping people learn to zergbust and GvG, and as it stands today rangers are not well balanced for that type of play.

The meta has nothing to do with bad mouthing the profession as a whole in what is being promoted as an informed education tool. One cannot reasonably claim something as an educational tool, then intentional spew ignorance based on a personal bias, and reasonably expect to be taken seriously.

Nova Stiker.8396:

I wouldn’t mind Gear Shield at all if Kits actually had a cooldown on swapping, it’s a 3 second block you can pull out of your kitten at anytime.

I do notice, you make a conscience, disingenuous effort, to attempt to falsely imply the profession gives up nothing for the lack of CD on kits. You conveniently seem to ignore the fact that they have no weapons swap.

I am a huge fan of the “spamgeneer” though. I do so enjoy when when hammer spammers and stealth spammer players use the highest of intellectual buzzwords as if it was an insult. Every profession is constantly spamming buttons to have their profession moving and attacking. I love the hypocrisy of falsely implying it as an insult when someone else does it.

Nova Stiker.8396:

it’s a 3 second block you can pull out of your kitten at anytime.

You poor thing. You actually believe the gear shield has no cool down and can be used at any time?

As a matter of fact, the skill has a cool down. To be honest, it might be beneficial if you familiarized yourself with a skill, its functionality, and cool downs, before you complained about it. It helps prevent confusion.

Elenire.7306:

An interesting read to be sure but no ranger section in the class roles. Ignorance of the class or bias towards it’s usefulness in WvW or just an oversight?

Yeah, I often find commanders under utilize rangers and engineers. For example, having power armor with condition runes is self contradictory. Good luck finding engineers to rune the trait set up mentioned. That trait distribution hurts the engineer directly, as well as their ability to aid a small force or a large one.