Guild Wars 2

Dirame.8521:

It just makes sense to me.

As I can appreciate you see things in a certain view, it seems completely irational to me.

Dirame.8521:

I
Shooting a Net Through fire should light it on fire, it would get wet if shot through a water field, electrified if shot through a lightning field etc.

It is difficult to justify. Skills that offer special functions beyond that of damage, such as conditions of immobilize and cripple, as well as vulnerability, would be obviously over powered by being a guaranteed to be a finisher.

Dirame.8521:

Another modification that could make the rifle more powerful to use smartly.

When there are threads in 5 different sub forums, clamoring to nerf rifle, due to its low cool down CC, I hardly feel this is a wise suggestion at this point.

Reborn.2934:

@Gaile Gray i do not want to know that GMs exist in any visible form in game and in any game-mode .

is that simple request or not ?

Simple yes, reasonable? I don’t think so. Just because you don’t want to know they exist doesn’t mean anything when the majority of those speaking about it are creating an outcry to see them.

Seems to me Typhus was intentionally dishonest in an accusatory fashion here. Typhus, you should be ashamed of yourself for manufacturing this in such a disingenuous manner. Particularly with such proven lies as claiming he switched professions and ported them in.

Nokaru.7831:

I would try to explain what’s wrong with someone who is invulnerable and swapping teams in a competitive environment, but that would be a waste of time since anyone defending it is clearly beyond any reasonable or cohesive thoughts.

Beyond reason eh? I love when folks hammer down with an aggressive attitude when they havn’t the slightest clue what is really going on.

Good thing the devs do not mind explaining things to those beyond reason or cohesive thought, or you ay still be in the dark on the facts eh?

Nokaru.7831:

I really like the people who keeps saying the guy “forgot to make himself invisible” after he was being attacked and nuked by many players. He sure didn’t forget how to swap his team though.

Yeah smart guy, it is because they want to monitor the chat.

Nokaru.7831:

This thread makes my brain hurt.

Based on your uninformed accusatory comments and the fact that they had no base of truth, I would be glad for the pain. It lets you know it is still there. Does it naturally shut off when you log into the forums or just when devs are evolved?

OP, if he switched sides, who did he cheat for?

Your making a knee jerk reaction accusation, without providing evidence that he did anything to turn the tide for one side or the other. Secondly, given all of the cryers complaining that devs need to pay more attention to WvW, you sure are having a negative effect on that. One shows up and you label them a “cheater” and fling accusations.

Worst part, is I feel the OP is lying. They claim the character in question and professions, yet has no evidence of that. As well, what does changing sides have to do with anything, they are not fighting once changing sides.

Posters like the OP are what hurt the game. They make a conscience effort to accuse every Anet person in game if some insidious or nefarious deed, then cry that the game mode doesn’t get enough attention.

ellesee.8297:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, retired #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Once again metabattle proves it’s an unreliable site for builds! Don’t ever, ever go Inventions! It’s literally the worst trait line that Engineers have and 30/0/20/20/0 is a terrible build! And don’t ever take Protection Injection over Backpack Regenerator or you’ll , and I quote ostrich eggs on this, “die like a little bich”!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

As a WvW commander who communicates with other engineer commanders, I would offer to the OP, the thought of taking what PvPers suggest with a grain of salt, when it comes to WvW builds.

The invention line has some solid traits for WvW, and in the context of WvW, toughness, healing power, as well as traits that offer protection, less damage when disabled, increased movement speed, and in many cases, healing bombs, can be invaluable. Particularly in combination with certain other traits. It often simply depends on the role you wish to play. Automated medical response is also a great minor trait for the med kit, for those who care to use it.

I am not suggesting the inventions line is a necessity, or even the greatest. Although, I do questions anyone’s knowledge of a great deal of WvW scenarios, who discounts it offhandedly and offers the idea of everyone else discounting it in a similar manor.

Op, you ask

Whats the main builds engi are playing right now on WvW?

Well that completely depends on the role you wish to play. Do you wish to run with a large force? Medium size havoc group? Small havoc group? Do you wish to roam? Scout and hold off a force at a keep till help arrives? Your role in WvW dictate what build you may or may not want to use.

risenlord.2035:

I found rocket boots to be to unpredictable for large scale fights.

It has been posted several times that no one cares what anyone thinks of rocket boots in “large scale” fights, in a thread dedicated to discussing a video about “roaming”.

mango.9267:

coglin.1867:

I lo e the way every one keeps crying “blobbing” and crying “night capping” as some conjured argument against removing white swords. Yet every other thread before white swords were removed, was complaints about large blobs night capping. All of the sudden, you actually expect people to take those excuses serioisly?

People aren’t complaining that there are suddenly blobs or night caps. People are complaining that removing white swords promotes both of these things and makes them more effective, which is the opposite of what Anet should have done.

No, people are attempting to suggest that these things night capping or blobs are evidence that removing white swords is a problem. I have yet to see anyone provide any evidence that night capping scores are higher then they were before the change. Nor has anyone provided any evidence that blobs are any larger.

Neither are more effective, they are less effective.

Reokie.7809:

This is because some of the “pro” pvp players like to farm newbies in “practice” mode either for their own amusement or because they want the rewards that for some reason come from doing matches in practice mode.

Given that it didn’t exist, before the “pro” players got “pro”, I would suggest you drink more water. The hateraide is apparently not doing you good.

GhOst.4019:

No one said they are always on point.

Wait, What?

GhOst.4019:

Well, Their turrets will always be on point.

Yes, you kind of said exactly that.

uberkingkong.8041:

Nope, rest of it is a point that the best team out there runs 2 eles 2 engi’s, because they too op to run any other classes.

That doesn’t make a good deal of sense when it is put into actual context.

So we know those guys have played those specific professions for a very long time. Some since launch, others certainly since before any of the last two update changes.

The problem here, is your factually uninformed accusations. You disingenuously claim they “brought” that profession combination because it is over powered. You are clearly being intentionally dishonest here, in my opinion. If they were playing those professions long before you started claiming they were OP, and then fairly recently got together as a team, then clearly the facts are that they brought together the professions they have always played. You just so happen to personally feel two of the professions are OP. Thus, you take a dishonest route of accusing them of stacking professions, when the truth of the matter is that they pulled together a team of players already playing them. Fact is, they stacked skilled players, who happened to always have played those professions.

savov.3712:

Oh no, I completley do understand it.
The default starting MMR for new players in PvP is set too high and for that the new players are matched with the good players (I considre myself well above the average player). And because with these new changes the influx of new players is noticible high, we all are mishmatched “correctly”.
Allowing r1 “just-bought-the-game-10-mins-ago” player joining Ranked games, is a huge mistake too.
Solo queing not working as intended; (i.e. low odds of being matched vs premades).
Profession stacking; (and now because of the new “daily X-profession winner” achievement)
Disabled dishonor system;
Do I have to continue pointing out obvious problems with this “correct” matchmaking system?

So your completely discounting the possibility that you were against a team of random players who were not in comms. You feel the fact that you guys were a premade team with communication had nothing to do with it?

pelle ossa.9705:

in any work , if you do something wrong , and you create some damage you will be fire ,

You have proof that he did something wrong? I would like to see your proof. Your making a great deal of assumptions, without any evidence. Do you even know who designed the new system? Do you design and create every system and piece of equipment you work with in your job? I doubt it.

Secondly, you full of it if you are claiming everyone who has problems with things in their specific aspects at work, are fired.

savov.3712:

As far as guesses go, your’s is no better then mine. You say they have a full-out team working on PvP. Sure, let’s say so. Then why, since release, the game’s PvP is so stalled, it hurts? Hmm?

A. I made no guesses. Stop putting words in other peoples mouths and drop your dishonesty at the door. I stated facts based on previous post.

B. Please quote the portion of my post in which I stated “they have a full-out team working on PvP.”. I never made that statement. Clearly you do not want to have a serious discussion, because you are being clearly deceptive, dishonest, and misrepresentational of others.

savov.3712:

Also, just as above, look at the screenshots and then talk how every match was “normal”, fun, and fair.

Again I ask. Are you suggesting you lost those matches 100% because you were matched a vast amount about your head?

pelle ossa.9705:

mm is a kitten , i want to know why the devs who did it still work for arenanet….

Because common sense suggest that anyone should understand that a new system requires time to collect its data, as well, adjustments being needed to the system based on the player pool size itself. As well as the pools size variance variations throughout different times of the day.

Honestly, Unless you have the knowledge to have a clue about the subject matter, you probably shouldn’t demand someone lose the ability to support and feed their family 3 days before Christmas.

Elitist.8701:

Phaeton.9582:

Even talking about cele is boring

The talk about nerfing cele has been going on for months now. Devs, its not hard to shave a few percentages off cele and make small balance changes. Your not going to become esports by throwing money at literally nothing. Fix your game instead of giving the same players thousands of dollars every month.

Also bring back SoloQ.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

It kind of is hard to shave anything down, if you feel the excuses that folks are posting to replace actual fact, do not justify it. As they have stated already, they are working to determine if the problem is better tended to with specific trait or rune/sigil adjustments then simply changing an amulet. Particularly when it is a poster who demands SoloQ to play in, who is using high end tPvP as his example.

By the way, I am curious. What players are they giving money to every month? It is hard for anyone, including the devs to take you seriously, if your going to disingenuously claim it wasn’t earned.

savov.3712:

Laserbolt.6731:

savov.3712,

As I interpret it, Justin reported that your teams were the same size and the average team MMRs were about equal, so it was an even match and your team had as much of a chance at winning as the other team did.

As I interpret it, you didn’t even take the time to look at the picutres from the previous thread. Despite that makeing stupid excuses.
Look at them, all of them are blownouts 500:100.

Oh, I see now. You got your butt handed to you. And you are clearly, too skilled to lose to someone of similar rank. Therefore, your lose, clearly was the games fault.

Is that the route your going?

savov.3712:

If you check out most of his responses on such problems (even my other thread) you will see that, according to him and his data, everything looks normal. Or if I have to quote him

Not sure what to tell you.

The lowest rank you played against with today was a rank 30. The majority have been 70-80. You haven’t had any roster size mismatch issues, and MMRs have all been in range for each match.

What you just dishonestly claimed he said, and what he actually said, are nothing alike. You should quote, and not paraphrase others, because you obviously do not know what it means.

savov.3712:

So, if I have to reprise him – he just doesnt see any. Which means, for him, everything works as intended. And we all can see it is not. And that’s denying.

Being serious here. Is English not your first language? He never said everything looks normal. He said to the person that he was posting to, that all of their personal matches were within range of what the system was designed to do.

savov.3712:

And him being the only one responding as red on these parts of the forum, and talking in singular, it looks exactly like he is on it alone.

It does? Even though he is not the only one who has posted on it, and he has stated specifically how many others were working with him on the issue?

It would probably benefit everyone, if you actually researched a topic before you posted on it. You are making several uninformed assumptions, inaccurate guesses, and disingenuous claims, that frankly, are untrue, and on some levels, dishonest.

In my opinion, the best way to test this. Is to literally use each tool belt skill 100 times. then average out the damage. Then compare them. I feel anything less then 100 is too small of a sample size to trust the results.

Novuake.2691:

Ele and Engi are the same thing game play wise but for ONE crucial difference.

Ele has the damage.
Engi has the utility.

That seems to be irrationally self contradicting. I wouldn’t consider “the damage” and “the utility” as the same thing at all.

I lo e the way every one keeps crying “blobbing” and crying “night capping” as some conjured argument against removing white swords. Yet every other thread before white swords were removed, was complaints about large blobs night capping. All of the sudden, you actually expect people to take those excuses serioisly?

Pavel.8531:

coglin.1867:

Don’t like taking keeps? Dislike walls and doors? sPvP is that way——->

Like taking Keeps? Like walls and doors? Dislike fights? EOTM is that way —-—>

That would be helpful if I suggested I disliked fights. If your going to mimic another, and be unoriginal, have the common courtesy not to be dishonest about it my friend.

What I find interesting. Is that everyone expect to be able to make repeated “cry cry cry, they took away my white swords” threads, but if those with a different perspective try to have a discussion, we are berated, attacked for it, and have accusation tossed our way, as well as disingenuous posters putting words in our mouths.

HtFde.3856:

coglin.1867:

Gudradain.3892:

Mitch the Fish.1947:

With the white swords gone the smaller guilds in all of Tier 1 now have a chance to show just how useful they can be. Instead of forcing servers to blob up in order to defend then now have to spread out which makes the game much more fair for all size groups to both attack and defend. Personally my guild is a havoc guild and now we have the capability to not only attack waypointed structures but if the scouts are not paying attaention we regularly capture them. Scouts now actually have to pay attaention to all the sneakier places for siege units to be placed instead of just semi-afk and wait for swords to pop then start looking. That being said ArenaNet should definately work out a reward system of some kind for those who ACTIVELY scout and find havoc teams being sneaky.

This. I experienced the same thing and I’m on tier 6-7.

It’s a good change.

I absolutely agree.

The problem as I see it, is that players posting here are simply crying because the game doesn’t tell them where everyone on the enemy team is anymore, instead of having them break into smaller groups and do a little thing commonly known as “searching”.

everyone posted crying about “blobs”, and “zergs”, now everyone is crying about not wanting to pull out of the zerg and actually roam around and “look” for the enemy. Then they want to make snide comments towards Anet.

Danged if you do, danged if you don’t, when it comes to the forums.

Well – it may depend on how your server and opponents play the game. Over here it is usually one big enemy zerg that has fun killing players and tearing down structures. They do not build – they just run Karma trains. If we put spotters everywhere we lose our offensive as our biggest “zerg” usually consists of 15 people.

Why would you put spotters everywhere? if they are moving only as one mass, do you not have a single player capable of tracking the blob? your smaller force can split up and flip multiple properties, without white sword to tattle on you. If they are staying in a blob, they can only stop one of you from your goal.

HtFde.3856:

Assuming you need 5 to do proper scouting we lose 1/3 of our offensive potential and we become way more predictable because after every siege it’s mat-gathering time.

Again, why would you need 5 to scout 1 blob? you can split into 4 groups of 4 and take 4 keeps at once, their blob can only be in one place at one time. You claim they are sticking together, so by your telling of it, they are not scouting.

HtFde.3856:

Good change … I don’t think so – especially when you’re being constantly outnumbered as we are and are up against at least one opponent who’s only playing in a destructive style.

You don’t think so, I get that. But I do. Particularly after you explain your problem as justification for you perspective, and all I see, is a bad strategy for the situation. They made a change to the game, yet your doing things exactly as I understand that everyone did it before. That is how I see it anyway.

Maskaganda.2043:

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white sword removal didn’t bring anything good to wvw. the op saying he caps undefended stuff is exactly the kind of thing thats bores us to death. I’d much rather have a fight vs players than fight structures.

Perfect. Then have i got a deal for you. It is calle sPvP. Specifically designed arounf points that are not structures, and fighting other players.

By the way, I really liked you on the podcast you used to participate in, but stop using the words “us” and “we”. No one voted or elected you, or empowered you, to speak for others here. We have differing opinions, and that is fine. But drop the attempts to give you opinion more weight then others, by implying that you speak for anyone other then yourself.

mango.9267:

You guys are completely misinformed on why people hate this change.

No my friend you are mistaken. I am well informed. It appears that because I (and appearently other posters) see things with a different view, that we are misinformed. The fact that you approach our different views in such a manner, is evidence that you are the one approaching the debate uninformed.

Phoenixlin.8624:

This game would be a better game if we don’t have those “It is a good change, because I am enjoying even if the rest of the universe suffers” people.

Yeah, because clearly they are evil for disagreeing with you. There is an old saying, that the definition of true evil, is to condemn those with different opinions.

Reverence.6915:

It’s a good change if you like karma training and avoiding fights.

Wait, are you suggesting there were no karma trains before? I can gladly link you thread upon thread upon thread in which poster after poster complained how karma trains were killing WvW before this week.

Baldrick.8967:

It’s good change if you like pvd- for which you could have just gone and joined eoTM for the karma train. For less populated servers and those that actually want to fight against other human controlled toons, it’s a disaster.

I am finding plenty of fights. I am having difficulty understanding why you are not?

Everyone was already claiming it was a karma train before, whats different now?

Don’t like taking keeps? Dislike walls and doors? sPvP is that way——->

Bad comedy is bad comedy. With such cluttered and busy charts, using tunnel vision humor, no wonder you still work in the mail room.

You were mistaken. We have server segregation in WvW. Mega servers are for PvE.

You need some sort of segregation for WvW specifically, so that you have a cohesive server of players to get to know and rally behind.

I am genuinely curios, how did you believe WvW worked? there had to be teams set when the weekly matches reset. How were you assuming the three sides were determined?

Substance E.4852:

coglin.1867:

The problem as I see it, is that players posting here are simply crying because the game doesn’t tell them where everyone on the enemy team is anymore, instead of having them break into smaller groups and do a little thing commonly known as “searching”.

Oh ya. Nothing says buttloads of fun like a group spending 20-30 minutes tracking down another group only to have to start all over again after one of them is wiped.

Some of use are intelligent enough to deduce locations based on patterns on the map, without taking 30 minutes to turn over every rock.

Simply because a change doesn’t serve your personal needs, doesn’t mean it is bad for everyone else. Stop following the blob and only sending one group out and have everyone form smaller, more cohesive groups.

GROMIT.7829:

1-You have to have some poor guy locked inside a tower/keep all day and he gets ZERO rewards for it as he can’t participate in the PPK.

What kind of battle are you running if your so unorganized that you do not rotate scouts in and out every 15 minutes like the rest of us? Sounds like your creating your own problem with weak organizational skills. Not to mention that you can have a roaming rotation that can catch anything going on and kill two birds with one stone.

GROMIT.7829:

2-It’s a lazy solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.

Lazy? You mean like like so lazy you cannot succeed unless the game tells you where the enemy is? Face it, white sword simply should never have existed in the first place.

GROMIT.7829:

3-It promotes karma training.

Not really. For one, karma training already occurred, that is a fact. Secondly, the only thing that promotes karma training is laziness of the scout rotation or roamers to have battlefield awareness and report it in.

GROMIT.7829:

4-There are no rewards for people who follow the enemy blob.

hat doesn’t make a lick of sense. There certainly are rewards. As well, these forums are chalk full of threads crying about blobs. Thin the “blob” out a little and guard/hold your territory, or you earn your losses.

GROMIT.7829:

5-It benefits the server with the largest population ONLY, no one else coz everyone else would just give up after reset day and the weekend.

How so? It gives smaller havoc guilds/groups the ability to stealthily do and take things they never could have done before. That demonstrates that it actually benefits smaller server populations in that respect.

GROMIT.7829:

6-No seriously how lazy a game change is this?.

Not nearly as lazy as your lack of effort in guarding your own territory or your lack of effort to organize a scout rotation, in my personal opinion.

GROMIT.7829:

7-Night shifts will suffer the most and just give up, for example FSP without fail at about 3/4 am run a 20 man group with a few golems, it takes a bit of doing but you can suually keep your garrison with a bit of effort, now it’s gone coz you couldn’t react to a keep not being scouted at 4am coz lets face, even Burk needs sleep (love you Burk).

This complain was made a million times over before white swords were gone. Whats the difference?

GROMIT.7829:

8-It’s soooooooooooooooooooooooooo lazy.

Prove it?

You offered only one argument for 8 different complaints. You have no real evidence or argument for your complaint. You are simply crying because the change didn’t serve your personal needs, even though it opened the door for so many smaller guilds and groups.

I wouldn’t call it “Lazy” as much as I would call it “less hand holding”. You cannot win a weeks match up without having your hand held, and having the game tell you everything? And you call others lazy?

Gudradain.3892:

Mitch the Fish.1947:

With the white swords gone the smaller guilds in all of Tier 1 now have a chance to show just how useful they can be. Instead of forcing servers to blob up in order to defend then now have to spread out which makes the game much more fair for all size groups to both attack and defend. Personally my guild is a havoc guild and now we have the capability to not only attack waypointed structures but if the scouts are not paying attaention we regularly capture them. Scouts now actually have to pay attaention to all the sneakier places for siege units to be placed instead of just semi-afk and wait for swords to pop then start looking. That being said ArenaNet should definately work out a reward system of some kind for those who ACTIVELY scout and find havoc teams being sneaky.

This. I experienced the same thing and I’m on tier 6-7.

It’s a good change.

I absolutely agree.

The problem as I see it, is that players posting here are simply crying because the game doesn’t tell them where everyone on the enemy team is anymore, instead of having them break into smaller groups and do a little thing commonly known as “searching”.

everyone posted crying about “blobs”, and “zergs”, now everyone is crying about not wanting to pull out of the zerg and actually roam around and “look” for the enemy. Then they want to make snide comments towards Anet.

Danged if you do, danged if you don’t, when it comes to the forums.

Gudradain.3892:

Mitch the Fish.1947:

With the white swords gone the smaller guilds in all of Tier 1 now have a chance to show just how useful they can be. Instead of forcing servers to blob up in order to defend then now have to spread out which makes the game much more fair for all size groups to both attack and defend. Personally my guild is a havoc guild and now we have the capability to not only attack waypointed structures but if the scouts are not paying attaention we regularly capture them. Scouts now actually have to pay attaention to all the sneakier places for siege units to be placed instead of just semi-afk and wait for swords to pop then start looking. That being said ArenaNet should definately work out a reward system of some kind for those who ACTIVELY scout and find havoc teams being sneaky.

This. I experienced the same thing and I’m on tier 6-7.

It’s a good change.

I absolutely agree.

The problem as I see it, is that players posting here are simply crying because the game doesn’t tell them where everyone on the enemy team is anymore, instead of having them break into smaller groups and do a little thing commonly known as “searching”.

everyone posted crying about “blobs”, and “zergs”, now everyone is crying about not wanting to pull out of the zerg and actually roam around and “look” for the enemy. Then they want to make snide comments towards Anet.

Danged if you do, danged if you don’t, when it comes to the forums.

So what your saying is you lost to them and you came here to cry about it?

This was the same thing everyone cried after the Longbow buff on rangers. They were all over PvP. Nothing has been buffed by way of the engineer in months. What makes them particularly strong today over 2-3 months ago?

I think it is cute when people claim teams as “tacky”, “cheese”, and my personal favorite “cancer”. As if any of those unoriginal buzz words mean anything in these situations.

risenlord.2035:

I really don’t like rocket boots in wvw. They provide mobility and immobilize removal but for large scale fights they don’t have enough control. Also bombs are a melee range kit, while they provide tons of utility you are really limiting yourself with close quarter combat.

Sometimes we want fun for our play styles. I use EG/BK/RB and have a blast with it. I have developed a solid reputation for my 1vX skills, as well as my valuable support with my personal build preferences.

I hardly see the success in those videos as “limiting himself” This isn’t PvP, but you quoted the textbook PvP arguments against rocket boots or bomb kit.

ArrDee.2573:

PS Why do swear filters exist for a game where your primary goal is to wipe out local wildlife and/or brutally murder other people for money! Poaching! Killing! Drinking alcohol! Stripping down to your undergarments and running around in the street! That’s ok! SWEARING IS BAN WORTHY!

Why do you fell you need the ability to swear or sling slurs?

I take my kids to the beach. Folks are wearing bikinis and skimpy swim wear. That doesn’t entitle folks to fling profanities and slurs at my kids or me or my grand kids, or anyone else for that matter.

ArrDee.2573:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, retired #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

I think there should be more frequent patches! Look at how often Counter Strikes, the most esports FPS, updates their game! http://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/category/updates/ Dec 4, Dec 10, Dec 11, Dec 15, Dec 18! Gosh if only Guild Warts 2 was like that!

Anet makes huge balance patches every 6 months! That’s just crazy long! And when balance time rolls around, they say they just “shave”! Well bros you can’t shave every 6 months! You shave frequently! That’s the point of shaving! If something is obviously broken like DD celestial Elementalists, you fix it immediately and not have everybody wait literally half a year! That’s Vee Wee’s thoughts!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

I haven’t paid much attention to CS. What is the prize pool on their tournaments?

Syric.1936:

- If they’re pressured, they will typically do a semi-retreat (I image for cool-downs to finish)….and this is where a real issue with Engineers comes in. You can’t catch them – unless you stun/root/knock them down …more than once…forget about it.

You use builds with no mobility, then demand a nerf to mobility to the professions you cannot keep up with in terms of movement, and you consider yourself “semi-professional”.

I don’t think “professional” or even “semiprofessional” means what you think it means. It means you either do something for your supporting income, or partial income.

All of that aside, what build do you specifically feel is a problem?

I just updated the wiki on block duration. It correctly had 1.5s as the duration in the pictorial and visual on the right. The numerical value in the main page description simply wasn’t adjusted. I corrected it so that it would be correct. Sorry about that. I try to stay on top of all of the engineer changes when it comes to the wiki, but occasionally I miss them. Most of those who used to help me keep it updated have kind of disappeared on me.

style.6173:

NeXeD.3042:

They run 2 cele eles because rather than have a full bunker on the team they opted for more rounded out builds that can do multiple things well with good mobility. Not because a cele is a better bunker.

Oh really? and tell me what class can come onto a point defended by a D/D cele ele and act as a hard counter.

If your limiting your scope to profession, I feel your selling it short. I have great success against D/D ele with certain warrior builds, certain engineer builds, and very good success with specific ranger builds. Particularly builds that allow rapid reapplication of poison.

Booms.2594:

coglin.1867:

uberkingkong.8041:

….. turret engineer…..

I have to be honest with you. If you truely believe turret engineers of all the engineer builds, is strong, much less a top bunker, I have to seriously question you knowledge of the build.

Booms.2594:

if we’re going to say bunker guard can hold people 1v1 and 1v2 then we should also include cleric staff ele since both are useless

Would you mind explaining how they are “useless” at bunkering?

just like s/d ele is the best “damage and burst” in the game, guardian may be the best bunker but that means nothing since overall they arent as helpful

And?

The question was very specifically

What build can hold off the most people for the longest time, in general?

This isn’t some random thread to attack builds you do not like. This is a thread around a very specific question and topic.

uberkingkong.8041:

….. turret engineer…..

I have to be honest with you. If you truely believe turret engineers of all the engineer builds, is strong, much less a top bunker, I have to seriously question you knowledge of the build.

Booms.2594:

if we’re going to say bunker guard can hold people 1v1 and 1v2 then we should also include cleric staff ele since both are useless

Would you mind explaining how they are “useless” at bunkering?

SoLeciTO.3490:

oneply.9586:

Silv.9207:

Actually there’s not a problem of balance, there’s a problem of AoE. And to fix that ANet need to make a big rework over all classes… a rework that you will never see.

lordy lordy he speaks the truth

at least it’s not Wildstar…you can’t even tell whats going on with all that aoe insanity in that game.

And i would say not even AOE is the problem . .

AOE Burn fields and burn application is the issue IMO.

Both ele and engis have a lot of burn and CC . . . and heals . . . and burst . . . and mobility . . . well

Burn is a pin in the kitten . . . more if it is on AOE.

Umm, you do understand that engies burn is generally single target right? If your dying to turrets or flamethrower, your play is the problem, not the engineers.

sinject.4607:

ask anyone, celestial is singlehandedly ruining the game for everyone that doesn’t play it.

I have asked a great deal of people. Everyone of them disagreed. They believe it is a perfect storm problem. Certain traits combined with certain other traits, combines with certain runes, combined with certain sigils, combined with specific healing+utility skills are problematic, not amulets.

sinject.4607:

the most ridiculous builds are running rampant and anet has not made so much as a single word on the matter, ridiculous problems call for ridiculous solutions.

Umm, yes, they have. You like to make a great deal of false claims about Anet, that are contradicted in print. You really should not use disingenuous statements if you wish to have a serious discussion.

uberkingkong.8041:

Just ask Over Powered Necro, what class he plays, he wins a lot.

He aint no class swapper either, not to my knowledge.

What does playing different professions have to do with anything? You post about as if it is a bad thing. personally, I think someone would be a fool not to swap to other professions and learn to play them well. It is very wise to understand what your opponents are coming at you with, and why.

If you want small group fights, and keep attacking the idea of PPT, what in the nap of all hypocrisy are you doing in WvW? Go play PvP. With every thing some of you are crying about, all you having nagged about is exactly what PvP is.

Laishunfom.7603:

Good. Anet let us save golds. not to upgrad anythings.Because most of upgrading are in vain,except waypoint keeps.

By us, you mean you. Some of us are organized and capable, to the point that it is no more or less of a concern then it was before.

ionix.9054:

Well whatever the reason, it’s dead and sucks for everyone in t3

Interesting. So you transferred between all 3 servers in this short of a time period?

You believe that is enough time to have developed an informed opinion the the entire community of each server, and the game play with the changes included?

They elected you to speak for them too?

I doubt you have even given it enough time to develop an informed opinion as I see it. So perhaps you should stick to speaking for yourself, and stop claiming ot speak for not just one, but all three communities.

mmaisel.7096:

coglin.1867:

Not thinking clearly you say? That is what I feel your doing when you are making disingenuous claims, displaying an entire lack of knowledge of programming and developer intent.

responses like this are what will ultimately be used to keep white swords out of the game. thanks bro! way to be a team player.

Great. So far I am enjoying the lack of white swords. Don’t lash out at me because your on a poor team.

You 5 guys crying about white swords being gone, do understand the devs are smarter then you have a clue about right? They identify as easy as anyone that this thread is simply the same 5 guys bouncing the same complaint off of one another.

Oddly enough, you seriously believe back handed insults and bad mouthing the dev team will get them to see things your way?

Not thinking clearly you say? That is what I feel your doing when you are making disingenuous claims, displaying an entire lack of knowledge of programming and developer intent.

spacecase.8796:

doesnt that just show how that the T1 servers need to be deleted so they have to spread out to the rest of them and balance it out better…hehe

Yeah, because destroying 3 large communities of players, who have bonded for two years, and have a good time together, for your personal desires, yeah, that is brilliant.

That is disingenuous. It was quit literally demanded in thousands of post since release. If your claiming no one asked for it, your either never reading the forums, or being intentionally obtuse.

My opinion is that it will most likely be good, but that it possibly can be bad. I will be trying it out in about a day. Then I can give an informed opinion.

Why your making a new thread to ask now, when there are 5,286 other threads discussing the matter, most certainly is bad.

Narrrz.7532:

the differences in balance in EB are what make it fun.

In my opinion, it detracts from the fun. As well, in my experience it turns off new players. Just when they learn their home area, then have to go through the confusion of relearning the next wee. that problem would be increased exponentially with your bad idea.

At least it isn’t as bad as :

They should delete the borderlands and replace them with a copy of the edge of the mist map. Two instead of 4 maps would make sense with the dwindling WvW population.

This is a horrible idea in my opinion. the edge of the mist maps are unintuitive, very very restrictive, and would make absolutely no sense as WvW border lands. This would hurt WvW more then most suggestions.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Alternatively they could buff up more of the existing specs, that however would require allot more work.

What specs would those be specifically? Although you have been asked, you have clearly failed to list the specs you feel are a problem.

Malediktus.9250:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I’m diagnosing you with crazy.

I believe he just want to show anet how absurdly grindy these achievements are. Noone will ever complete them. WvW and possibly GW2 will be dead before someone achieves these by legitimate means (eg no fly hacking, wall hacking, godmode hacking, trading flips with other factions)

Yeah, cause heaven forbid they make it an actual “achievement” to earn the achievements.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

coglin.1867:

Where are those videos of high level HgH abuse?

If your going to repeatedly claim it is a problem, offer up some evidence would ya? As of now, all your doing us demanding a nerf for a a rarely used aspect.

I mean, I never play HgH, really. if they nerf it, it wouldn’t really bother me personally. Then I have to read the next thread where you inaccurately claim something needs to be nerfed, because it is a problem. Next thing you know, we will have less build diversity then ever, and all because posters continue to make inaccurate claims of this nature.

HgH builds were an example.

What I said was all specs that make use of or can make use of celestial stats should have their ability to stack might looked at and adjusted.

Mind listing what you think those specs are?

Mind explaining how they should be adjusted?

Here is a link to an editor. http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/ build the builds in there, click the “get quick link” button towards the bottom, and link the builds here, would you please.

all specs that make use of or can make use of celestial stats is unreasonably and irrationally none specific in my opinion.

Blindly and unspecifically crying nerf benefits no one. The way your wording it is no worse then giving the cops all blind folds and telling them to go in and take down the bank robbers. Sure, we can fire in all random directions and eventually the profession will be so nerfed that no one plays it again. I on the other hand, prefer to have changes, discussed, and made, with a little more specifics.

Where are those videos of high level HgH abuse?

If your going to repeatedly claim it is a problem, offer up some evidence would ya? As of now, all your doing us demanding a nerf for a a rarely used aspect.

I mean, I never play HgH, really. if they nerf it, it wouldn’t really bother me personally. Then I have to read the next thread where you inaccurately claim something needs to be nerfed, because it is a problem. Next thing you know, we will have less build diversity then ever, and all because posters continue to make inaccurate claims of this nature.