Guild Wars 2

SB + Axe/Torch is a really awesome condition based weapon set and really fun in my opinion.

This is a misrepresentation. I play a ranger and don’t feel left in the dust.

Kasei.8726:

Voodoo.9745

There is still a big difference between choosing not to, or simply seeing the massive grind as just bit too much. Hell, if i could grind my dungeon gear on 1 character and level all others to 80 i would.
He wants to, but sees the grind as bit too extreme.
You choose not to, that fine.

Ok, it would have to apply to all gear, not just dungeon gear then. Any weapon or armor skin unlocked on any character, would be available for use by all other characters.

I’m not supporting the idea, but it wouldn’t make sense for a person to be able to use dungeon gear on multiple characters, while a person with rare crafted gear could not.

have to agree with Kasei here.

I don’t see them adding duels any time soon, but again, they are making improvements regarding this topic in spvp and you can seek current (empty bg que) and future (rental bg) solutions there.

And yes, this mmo, like any other, has downside’s regarding features, but they’re working on implementing more and it’s quite an amazing game for how young it is.

You can go to spvp, join an empty bg, have your friend join you in pvp, and practice there – typically no1 will join and that’s how I accomplish much of my dueling pratice. Not an ideal solution, but a viable one for the time being nonetheless.

Why not puppy? Does Anet hate puppies or do they just love cute little kittens more? Maybe we can get it to randomize between kitten & puppy?

All kidding aside, pretty + kitten + funny chat filter and I would love to see a wider range of filter choices!

Ranger is definitely a good profession with only a couple fixes that need to be made. Nonetheless still absolutely viable in all aspects of the game.

Vorkk.4927:

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

Mesmers destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Thieves destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Engineers destroy them 1v1. Rangers have an edge, especially considering most engi builds are oriented around dealing damage via aoe drops (e.g. rangers don’t need to stand in them)
Necros destroy them 1v1. Necros are very easy to kill (only 1 build that is annoying, and even then, it’s situational)
Warriors kinda even battle. *With the right CC, warriors are easy mode
Guardians destroy them 1v1. *Taking a point from a bunker is tough, but if you sit back and kite/kill them it is quite easy. In a 1v1 battle though where a ranger can kite (if you’re just speaking of dueling 1v1, this is an easy mode fight)
Elementalist kinda even battle. *Ele is fairly even, although they, in my opinion, need a slight DPS boost.

Any other class except warrior out bunkers them. * I agree, mid-level class, e.g. average bunker.

They are decent in teamfights like I said, nothing exceptional. Yes they got pretty good direct damage and some aoes but thats about it. Not like they have a huge aoe 10 second haste to the team or a aoe 8-10k burst heal. *You’re missing their stuns/leaps/aoe fears from pets, QZ + rez, or QZ + stomp, stability, etc.

They are pretty bad roamers, very limited mobility (lol a warhorn?) * *Yes, a warhorn, I don’t use it in combat, but I switch to it, blow #5, then hard switch it out from my weapons rotation****** compared to mesmers and thieves. They have mediocre burst compared to other classes. Thief/mesmer/warrior(warhorn power?) will all outburst them

I don’t really know what to say anymore. Your counter arguments are really really stupid. Watch or talk to any people who know what they talking about, preferably r30+.

Tied for worst/second worst bunker in the game = mid level bunker? lol. /facepalm

I don’t even want to try anymore. Look at your own arguments, they contradict yourself and are very very stupid.

What a good counter argument – “You’re dumb”. Isn’t that a bit contradicting itself? =/

Yet it’s the argument you’ve been using all night telling people they suck.

I never said it was unviable. Nonetheless, I’m out for the evening, good chats, stay fresh forums.

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Listen, at the moment, pets F2 is does not properly interrupt your pet’s cast rotation (which they should fix). .

That is exactly what I was stating. You agreed with me then blabbered about something that was very stupid that I ignored. Good point

I acknowledged the issue and gave you clear advice on how to actually manage your pet, which if executed proeprly you can use very efficiently (rather than just mash F2 and complain it doesn’t work).

I know how to manage a pet but I shouldn’t have to work around a bug to use be able to use a skill like it is intended.

Scenario: I’m being frenzy charged, I press f2 to fear warrior so once his charge hits me, he is feared. Oh wait, my pet is not responding. Now casting an animation, ok now he is ready to cast fear wait i’m dead?

So in your scenario you don’t see the warrior/prep for it? He just magically appears and bull rushes you? =/

I’ve always acknowledged I would like it fixed, but the fact of the matter is with proper management you can already accomplish what you’re asking for.

Vorkk.4927:

This guy likes to hear himself talk and call people bad players. At least the other guy who thinks the nerf was no biggy is trying to show numbers/proof. I still disagree with him but he’s respectable nonetheless.

As I said, this class requires skill and an indepth understanding. Besides, what figures would I supply to back this instance? It’s a fact regarding the rotations I explained and how to execute your pet’s abilities – that’s literally how they function, I don’t need metrics to prove it.

-1

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Listen, at the moment, pets F2 is does not properly interrupt your pet’s cast rotation (which they should fix). .

That is exactly what I was stating. You agreed with me then blabbered about something that was very stupid that I ignored. Good point

I acknowledged the issue and gave you clear advice on how to actually manage your pet, which if executed proeprly you can use very efficiently (rather than just mash F2 and complain it doesn’t work).

The fact of the matter is, myself and structured competitive tourney teams (the minority), are finding high success with the class. Which leads me back to my original point of players not understanding the class and simply being unskilled – which is more than a fair argument. I would be baffled if any significant portion of these QQ’ing players have tried more than 1 build. Keep in mind, I’m not saying there aren’t things that should be/will be fixed – I’m promoting the current viability of the class.

Not to mention, this class is still insane in PvE. In fact, it could be nerfed 15% across the board in all categories and would still dominate PvE (just like every other class). As this discussion is organized mainly around wvw and spvp, i continue to state this class is not for the unskilled and still a great/proportionally balanced class.

Vorkk.4927:

Ok. I consider myself an above average player too. I think this nerf was unwarranted. You made your point, most people disagree with it.

The SB nerf was unintentional (read the patch notes). I would hope and assume it will be corrected. As noted in my other post, I will continue to comment as much as I see fit, sorry you don’t like my posts – on second thought, I’m not.

Vorkk.4927:

docMed.7692:

Vorkk.4927:

If it’s so great, you don’t need to self promote. People will go to your thread on their own.

Self-promote? LoL, as if I could give 2 shhiittts about that! I simply didn’t want to bother restating my entire summary about this again in a relevant, but separate, topic.

Then why are you posting in most topics that are against the recent nerfs? You made your argument in your thread which not many agree with as you can see. I’m seeing maybe 2 people calling hundreds of other players bad players if they disagree with the nerf. We get it. You think we suck and you think rangers are fine. You made a thread about it. If we want to read it, we will.

With your same logic – why isn’t there one post topic regarding people’s QQ’s? I’ll continue to post when and wherever I want, but as noted, I could give 2 sshhiittss about self-recognition.

Vorkk.4927:

You mean like thief or warrior ;p

I think we all tried many different builds. We’re not such a horrible profession that we can’t play the game but we need some help. There is only you and docmed spreading the idea that we’re fine. I think that speaks volumes.

I’m all over these forums because I think it is worth countering all the negativity surrounding this class. You won’t find top tier players coming here often (not saying I am per say, but I definitely consider myself above the average player), and consequently you will find an overwhelming majority of players who simply haven’t put the time in to learn the class and are QQ’ing the most known build received an unintentional nerf. I still run SB and it is a ddaammnn good weapon.

nldixon.8514:

docMed.7692:

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

This is probably the most sensible thing I’ve read on the forums in a while.

Rangers have an incredible amount of control, most people just aren’t willing to think outside of the condition/shortbow/QZ mold.

We seem to be agreeing on quite a few things

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

Your argument is that 5% of the time, f2 is useless? lol. Think you maybe meant to say 99.9%? Listen, at the moment, pets F2 is does not properly interrupt your pet’s cast rotation (which they should fix). Nonetheless, you need to be aware of the appropriate times you can invoke your pet’s F2 ability in order to keep your pet from triggering it’s own global CD. e.g. when you first swap your pet out, you can immediately cast before he begins his rotation, or if you see your pet use it’s leap/bite or other inate ability, you are safe to invoke the cast without interrupting. Just pay attention to your pet and you will find that you can learn the apporpriate times you can easily cast their abilities.

Vorkk.4927:

If it’s so great, you don’t need to self promote. People will go to your thread on their own.

Self-promote? LoL, as if I could give 2 shhiittts about that! I simply didn’t want to bother restating my entire summary about this again in a relevant, but separate, topic.

Agreed with nldixon – although I would say pets are vital to any proper build (as opposed to simply being somewhat effective). Rangers should have their bars hot keyed and excercising control of their pets extensively while in combat.

I constantly 1v2 pugs with my condi build (running shortbow + axe/torch). Not to mention the build itself is great for the ranger’s arch-rivals, thief & mesmer. Carry condi removal, lit reflex, QZ and entangle – quite the powerful combo to escape any cc and deal dmg + cc your opponent. Of course you need to run double canine pets for their leaps, etc. to add additional CC.

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

Just to comment on the OP’s #1…

It doesn’t stop, it is casting one of it’s abilities in it’s own rotation that requires it to stay still (such as leap).

Less QQ! The ranger is still an amazing profession – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Less-QQ-State-of-the-Ranger/first#post405502

Well the argument still goes back to – the purpose of this pet obviously isn’t to be “powerful”. It’s to utilize double pets soaking dmg/conditions for you and to take advantage of more leaps, etc.

Yes, it is less than other dogs, however, two of them together is greater than 1 of the other dogs (e.g. it’s like 1700 for a normal canine, whereas the hyena is 900 + 900 = 1800). So, if you’re 1v1’ing it is a higher burst that you are taking advantage of with this skill. Additionally, you are gaining the benefit of 2 leaps! (e.g. more CC in spvp).

Corew – you really need to read this post from beginning to end so we’re not going in circles here. Thanks.

Desipte this unintentional nerf (which I reference in my original post), shortbow is still more than viable. Not to mention I touch on many other topics people are QQ’ing about if you simply read these forums.

“Rightful” cries – you mean uneducated cries.

I’m well aware of my post’s presentation.

“I like how longbow is apparently still good for its knockback and cripple lol, sad too see it come to that. I will point out that rapid fire + QZ vs cross fire + QZ is inferior.”

Yes, I agree it’s inferior (especially of course when stacking bleeds), nonetheless, it is still a viable dps option and good to use when you don’t have your weapon swap up for shortbow. Nonetheless, I run axe/torch + shortbow, so I don’t use that combo too much anyways unless I’m bunkering.

Cempa.3645:

Rifle Warrior does more damage overall? I wanted to start a Ranger alt but if that statement is correct no thank you SIR! Rifle Warrior is so low my Condition Necro kills faster in PvP and PvE!

If that wasn’t bad enough my Pistol/Dagger Thief kills even faster than my necro and has amazing mobility!

So why exactly would I play Ranger?

If you were not to dodge, not flank, then the rifle warrior is pretty strong (depending on stat allocation, runes, sigils, and amulet). Nonetheless, they’re also very easy to CC and kill.

Buttercup.5871:

OP, your premise is wrong.

You’re assuming it’s an intended nerf. But that’s not what A’NET told us. We’re told it’s a “fix” to a “graphic bug”. Now, any “fix” that lowers the DPS of the shortbow by 20-30 percent, and which bugs QZ so that it doesn’t double the attack speed anymore, is clearly wrong.

So stop your “QQ” and L2P attacks on people that are rightfully angry, and direct those at the people that messed up the patch notes and/or the shortbow coding instead.

“(and hopefully unintentional)”

Guess you can’t read.

Hi all,

Just wanted to stop by and let you all know that you can officially stop QQ’ing.

I say the following with a 80 ranger, spvp of every profession under my belt, and a lot of time spent tourney’ing in general:

Yes, the shortbow nerf is annoying (and hopefully unintentional), but still more than viable.

Yes, the longbow attack speed is underwhelming, but actually still serves as a great second weapon with its knockback, and crippling aoe volley (not to mention rapid fire + quickzeph is still pretty good).

Yes, the greatsword is terrible since it’s nerf right out of beta.

Yes, pets AI still somewhat sucks, but with good management (seriously, hot key your bars rangers) they’re actually quite good. (Note, if you’re not running double wolves in spvp and/or some type of tank pet in pve, then you’re doing something wrong).

Yes, warriors rifle does better damage overall, but seriously, stop QQ’ing about rifle warriors – they are so easy to put down with the right stun breaks (which you should have for any general pvp build).

Just a quick rant, get to know the ranger and you’ll find that it is an amazing profession.

<3

What some of you might be noticing wtih # 3 not working is the following:

When you are downed and your pet is alive, they will remain with the HP they had when you were downed (mroe than likely low HP, definitely not full). So if during your downed period, you do not swap your pet, and you invoke # 3, the pet will begin rezzing you with low HP and consequently is being killed before this can occur (although it just sits there when it reaches 0 hp).

My advice, swap your pet when you’re downed, or use #3 when your pet is dead so it gets revived on command with full HP. You won’t have an issue with your pet reviving you then.

I’m not a fan of uninformed posts – and my post actually explains my reasoning & insults your uninformed claims. I simply do not like comments from individuals that frankly have no idea what they’re talking about.

“…if we can snare, cripple, and poison or way to a kill” – This post alone implies you are saying we can’t snare, cripple, etc, which obviously the weapons I listed alone allow you to do that and more.

It is hardly an uninformative response of simply “L2P”.

This class is actually well balanced and the shortbow nerf is pretty insignificant. Obviously Anet is still working on balance nonetheless and to be frank, nobody cares about the small pop of GW1 players that have been overtaken by new blood interested in quite frankly a much better game (GW2).

“I think adding more CC would be a great way to go with the class. We already have some with sword (please, fix the rooting bug!), however axe, GS, and LB could all use a lot of work. That way, who cares if we do less damage than warrior rifle spec if we can snare, cripple, and poison or way to a kill?”

What? Axe has a chill, GS has a stun, LB has a cripple and a knockback, SB has an evade back, a stun, and snare.

You should also be running wolf-type pets – they have amazing CC.

moderator edit: This post has been edited to remove a violation of the forum code of conduct.

to the OP – take some break stun abilities (signet/lit reflex) and it’s easy to kite a warrior.

lol, nldixon owned the OP – I have to agree with you dixon

Don’t forget it adds 100% vigor regen, which is prettykittennice. I do agree though it should break all immobilizes, etc, as they are far more annoying than a 1-2 second stun.

If you want your pets to survive… manage them better (e.g. hotkey all their abilities, including retreat/swap) and also spec into your pet’s survivability or better yet, choose a beefier (bear – less dps, more health) pet option. 75%-85% of your dps comes from you, if your pet is doing more than you, or even significantly more than you, something is wrong with your play style/build.

Both in my opinion have the same utility options – although you will find a warrior is better at bursting when they’re on you point blank, however (surprised), the ranger’s range abilities far exceed the warriors. All boils down to play style prefernce and this is coming from a 80 ranger with 200 hours of play since launch (/age).

Edit I might also add Rangers are far more useful in PvE due to their double bear tank swapping options.

You need a warhorn for travel – doesn’t matter so much in combat unless of course you like the buffs/are running a crit/condition build.

Swapping weapons only procs the speed buff while in combat.

There’s a lot better builds in my opinion for aoe damage or burst on a target (see shortbow).

Gem purchase problem; valid credit card (Cap 1), valid debit card (Bank of America/Visa), and paypal setup with my BoA/Visa – All do not work

120904-010614