Guild Wars 2

While there are some definite imbalances in the pvp in this game, from reading your post, I think you honestly just need to play more. Feeling like everything but what you play is op generally points to a lack of experience more than anything else.

This game is not particularly forgiving to new players, both in terms of mechanics and the fact that there’s no real matchmaking to keep beginners from being matched vs. veterans.

This forum feels so dead lately. Doesn’t seem like anyone cares enough to post anymore, myself included. Not just this matchup thread either.

Whole lot more people playing hotjoins than there are playing tpvp. Of the people playing tpvp, a tiny fraction actually plays at a top level. I know its hard for you superstars to accept, but you are in a miniscule minority which dwindles by the day. Well, a few of you are. Most of you are just full of kitten and think preferring tpvp automatically makes you good. Either way, Anet would get a lot more return out of listening to those “hotjoin heroes” than you.

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That’s a lot of text filled with a lot of rage for a post you misunderstood.

You people are blowing this out of proportion. They aren’t going to make it so that a boon hate build insta kills a boon build. They will probably just rehash the 2%/boon/condition trait mechanic. They aren’t going to make it so suddenly any boon is really bad and you don’t want to have it.

saiyr.3071:

dreztina.4820:

ParaldaWind.4523:

So, I kind of want to go back to T3… To any Maguuma players reading this, pretend I’m online and take some keeps.

Please no.

Seems unlikely this week given how long it took us to close the morning point gap yesterday. But if it makes you feel better, Dragonbrand was completely dominating NA prime time for the past few days, to give you a feel for how SoS is.

I know why people want to go back to T3, and I don’t like being on the winning server either, but despite the population difference, I got more good fights this week than I have in a very long time. I just don’t want to go back to fighting zerg servers with zero roamers. Mag will almost certainly go back the week after, but even just one more week of decent wvw would be very nice.

ParaldaWind.4523:

So, I kind of want to go back to T3… To any Maguuma players reading this, pretend I’m online and take some keeps.

Please no.

Anet said from the beginning they didn’t want wvw to be serious pvp. Their goal has always been wvw would be casual, low intensity combat where pve’ers could go and experience a bit of pvp. They don’t want skilled players in wvw because skilled players kitten on casuals. Every single thing they’ve done has encouraged zerging, and everything they continue to do does the same.

Fact of the matter is just that anet doesn’t want skilled players in wvw, and that isn’t going to change. They are going to keep doing changes like this to try to force good players into spvp so the casuals can run around without getting slaughtered.

It’s incredibly dumb, but considering anet has ignored every single plea for skill based pvp in wvw since before the game was released, I wouldn’t count on it changing.

I don’t get why people are complaining about Karl talking about the classes when in many cases he was specifically asked what Anet’s vision was for how the class should play.

Overall I thought the sotg was just like every other sotg. A lot of really great things said that will take years to actually make it into the game. I really wish anet would stop kitten footing around with balance changes and take some big swings. Mistakes would be made, but at least the game would change from patch to patch instead of being the same thing forever.

Everyone uses food, so there’s no imbalance. Food just lets you customize your build, which is a good thing.

There really does need to be more counters to boons, whatever they end up doing. It’s just silly right now with certain builds (not just ele). Boons are so powerful that when you have a build that keeps them up permanently, it kind of trashes the idea of giving something up to gain something.

I’d be fine with the boon hate idea, but only if it went to less popular/powerful builds. If they just tack it on to the builds that are already the most powerful, that’d be dumb. But I can see it as a good way to buff underpowered builds and bring them up to viability. I’m not sure if it’s better than just adding more boon strip abilities, but who knows.

kfarb.6732:

Battletorn.4102:

Will there be seperate ranks for different sized guilds? ie, a leaderboard for guilds sized 1-50 and 51-70 and 71-100 and 101-150 etc? Individual leaderboards?

It’s not a ranking system, it’s just titles (ranks). There won’t be leaderboards like you’re thinking.

Not sure about that actually. Watched the spvp sotg vod and J. Sharp (I think) said one of the reasons they’re waiting on releasing the leaderboards is because they’re watching it so closely in spvp, pve, and wvw.

Thanks for that. I mostly roam solo/duo (although I’ll be playing the build in spvp a while before spending the money to get the thief to 80/geared), so I’ll have to tweak some things to fit my playstyle, but that gives me a good place to start.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

I main a P/P no-stealth thief build for WvW and have zero problems. Great dps, excellent burst, high survivability from almost limitless dodging, multiple stunbreakers, and incredible mobility to either tackle runners or escape combat. It is a bit like playing an orchestra on your keyboard at break-neck speed, though, so if twitch-play isn’t your style, you’d be better off trying a different weapon set. But if you do enjoy that kind of stuff, you’ll really like this weapon set.

Just don’t go in and start spamming Unload. Headshot will win you more battles than pure damage will.

Could you share your build? Certain aspects of the thief interest me but I’m not a fan of melee so I haven’t found a build that works for me yet. I haven’t tried p/p before but now I’m considering it, so it’d be nice to know about a viable build.

Ruby orbs. Beryl if you end up needing a bit more defense.

Time for another bump. Been months and zero bug fixes. I’m still dying to bugs every single time I play this game. Seriously anet, get off your kitten and fix some bugs.

Sounds pretty normal to me.

God that’s awful. I can’t even begin to understand how someone could enjoy that.

Is there any chance it was actually daze and not fear?

ParaldaWind.4523:

HAMMER OF MAGUUMA? Hammer of Maguuma.

They call me the Maguuma Mallet.

jkctmc.8754:

If you do that, you might as well not have walls, or gates, and just have nothing but open field PvP.

Sounds great.

I kill almost every mesmer 1v1, but there’s nothing in this game I hate fighting more. It is incredibly frustrating trying to constantly track them down, waiting for them to do something to differentiate themselves from the clones, waiting for them to come out of stealth, etc. Every mechanic they have is insanely frustrating. The area denial fields if they’re using that build. The immobilize into massive burst which is nowhere near as easy to avoid as people say if you’re fighting at close range. The low cooldown staff back port. Confusion being the dumbest ability in the game, especially in wvw. Multiple dazes. All the downstate crap.

I am well aware mesmers can’t have all these things at once, but the point is that in any build they have mechanics that are very frustrating to fight.

Thieves are frustrating as well, but not to the same degree. The biggest problems I have with thieves are the insane burst and the stealth. It’s not that they do too much damage, it’s that it’s so frontloaded. Either you avoid their opening and they aren’t too much of a threat, or you die instantly. That can be an intense and enjoyable dynamic in very small fights, but in team fights, the likelyhood of never seeing the thief and simply dropping dead is far too high. I’d really like to see the burst lowered and the sustained raised to compensate.

The stealth is just kind of dumb. CnD is too good. Stealth shouldn’t be constantly available like it is with /D builds. D/P uses a huge amount of initiative and takes two steps to stealth. /D builds use a medium amount of initiative and can be done at any time, especially against any class that has a pet. I don’t know if it’d be better to make CnD less available or just raise the revealed time, but they definitely shouldn’t be able to go into stealth as often as they do. If they need a survivability boost to compensate then fine, as long as it’s something less frustrating than my opponent disappearing every three seconds.

kfarb.6732:

Didn’t OG transfer already? If not, what’s the hold up?

OG is not transferring off Mag.

I really don’t care about the emotes/jumping. I threw those in because I think they are low class and CD roamers do it quite a bit. What really bugs me is the chasing a solo forever, adding on every fight they can, baiting you into what looks like a 1v1 just to add in when you have used some cooldowns, etc. It’s just not how people should act when there are so few of us.

And to be clear, I’m specifically talking about roamers. I don’t expect the for-the-realmers to treat roamers with respect because that’s not the game they play.

I think CD must have the trashiest roamers I’ve ever encountered. Usually servers either don’t have roamers at all, or they have roamers who maintain loose levels of respect. But not CD. They have roamers, but they have no respect. They have will run you down when solo no matter how long it takes, add on your fights, emote, jump on your body, etc. And then when you get equal numbers, they get absolutely crushed once and then hide in spawn.

I’m not sure how the server has a decent amount of roamers yet hasn’t developed any concept of respect, but it can be very frustrating to deal with.

Pyroatheist.9031:

dreztina.4820:

Why should you only break even or make a small profit from wvw? Why shouldn’t you get the same 2g/hr+ that you get from pve?

And no, the mobs aren’t fun. It isn’t fun downing someone with a bit of health left just to have them finish off a mob that got caught in all the aoe and pop up with half health while you’re sitting on nothing. That’s just plain bad game design.

So you’re telling me you get 2 gold an hour from exploring and having fun in PvE?

NO. No you don’t. You get 2 gold an hour from no-life grinding CoF. That’s not fun. That’s not interesting. That’s not exciting. No one cares about comparisons of gold rates from no-life CoF farming to wvw. That makes no sense and is pointless to do.

Uh I’m pretty sure you get a hell of a lot more than 2 gold/hr doing real farming. I purposefully picked a low number that could be easily achieved with non hardcore pve.

Are there any SBI/CD at the duels or is it just all Mag as usual?

Why should you only break even or make a small profit from wvw? Why shouldn’t you get the same 2g/hr+ that you get from pve?

And no, the mobs aren’t fun. It isn’t fun downing someone with a bit of health left just to have them finish off a mob that got caught in all the aoe and pop up with half health while you’re sitting on nothing. That’s just plain bad game design.

This will never change. They said when they announced the decision they didn’t want names because they didn’t want casuals getting scared away and intimidated. Really gives you a good picture of what Anet wants wvw to be.

I’ve been hit for as high as 10k by this ability, not to mention them maintaining eight stacks of confusion with downed aa. Mesmer downed state is as dumb as everything else the class has.

It’s a symptom of a bigger problem, though. Downed state gives far too much hp. A downed tank is zero threat. A downed gc (of almost any class) hits you ridiculously hard yet takes 3x as long to kill as they did while up. Downed hp should scale based on your gear. If you are a gc, when you go down you should have very little hp. If you’re a tank, you should have lots of hp.

@RedV/Deso, trying to keep fights even but it’s starting to get hectic as action picks up. If we end up killing you with more, nothing personal. Have enjoyed the fights so far.

Acelerion.6820:

dreztina.4820:

ECHO? What happened to GF?

Lurking devonas threads huh? You and noob should totes transfer and we can run a gimmicky 5 man~~

I’m definitely keeping an eye on how t4/t5 shake out this week. :p

I think there’s gonna be a lot of disappointed people when the details on custom servers are finally released.

ECHO? What happened to GF?

Actually got a couple good fights tonight. Nothing noteworthy from CD, but SBI seems to have some good players.

saiyr.3071:

kfarb.6732:

dreztina.4820:

I always ask this and it’s always pointless, but are there any roamers I should look for this week?

Does it help to know their guild tag? If you’re roaming, and they’re roaming, won’t you just run into them? It does indeed seem like a pointless question.

Unless he just doesn’t WvW if he doesn’t get a response. I haven’t seen dreztina-chan in WvW in awhile

Pretty much this. =/ Haven’t played much lately and don’t really see that changing soon. Just isn’t much fun without competition. If I at least had some tags to give me hope of finding good fights, it’d be some motivation.

I always ask this and it’s always pointless, but are there any roamers I should look for this week?

I would definitely prefer being able to customize stats to the same level that you can in wvw. You really can’t fine tune builds because your stat choices are so limited. Part of why everyone seems stronger in wvw is just that their builds are actually min/maxed.

I don’t think the game is any more unbalanced because of higher stats. I’ve done tpvp, and wvw, and I never noticed a difference in balance outside of the separately balanced skills.

I don’t even know how to report these guys. I just do scamming because that seems like the closest one, but that’s not really good enough. There’s no identification so it’s not like I can email support. Screenshotting a speedhacker isn’t going to show much.

Kind of seems like anet would prefer to just pretend they don’t exist.

Personally I think mesmers are the most broken class in the game and are severely in need of a nerf. However, having said that, you shouldn’t feel underpowered as an ele, and you generally shouldn’t lose to a mesmer 1v1 unless they’re running confusion in wvw in which case they’re a kitten and you should feel free to simply leave.

If you enjoy playing the ele, then you should play it. It is nowhere near weak and as you said, mesmers are the new fotm so eles, d/d in particular, are becoming more rare. It’s possible bunker just isn’t the right build for you. I run glass d/d ele and it’s a ton of fun and very effective.

TC kind of scummy. Two guys in animal transform go by and I don’t bother them, then as soon as I get in a fight, they drop the transform and add.

Jayne.9251:

I wanted to say Mag’s LL guild thieves. We hate you. We really do. You’re too darn good at your class. Any time there’s a roaming thief on the map, the question is “Is it LL?”

There’s a big groan if the answer is yes.

You mean iLL?

Razor.6392:

dreztina.4820:

At least my build won’t become fotm.

But that won’t stop it from getting nerfed

ANet balance #1

Ain’t that the truth.

I give up. I never had any intention of convincing you you were wrong; you’re obviously not the type who could ever admit that. All I wanted was for you bunker eles to stop spreading false information about a build you know nothing about. Sadly, it looks like there’s no stopping it, so go ahead, continue lying to new eles who ask for help on the forum. At least my build won’t become fotm.

Do you really expect anyone to read that? What value is there in reading pages of stuff from someone who has never even played the build yet professes to know it better than those with hundreds of hours using it?

I mean really, you have literally never played the build, yet you are telling people who have spent almost their entire time in the game playing it that you know more than they do. You’re ridiculous.

Lert.6287:

Basicly I can agree with everything Raptured says, and to nothing what you two are saying.
‘’Experienced player’’ in my kitten Claiming you can do the highest damage and (from what and how you’re writing) kill everyone on 1vs1.
Even with armor over 2.5k, full zerker mesmer (zerker mesmer makes sense) can do around 15k damage to you in 1-2 sec if all of his hits crit. So with your builds (~13k hp, 1.9k deff) he probably wouldn’t need to bother you with destorying illusions to make you down in 10sec.

Another bunker ele who’s never played glass telling us all our experience counts for nothing because his paper pvp says we’re wrong. And when have I ever mentioned 1v1? The whole point of damage ele (or any ele) is trying to hit as many targets at once as possible. The build is ok 1v1, but it isn’t great and certainly isn’t where it shows its full potential.

You keep writing these essays filled with theory crafting as if that means anything. You have two experienced glass cannon eles telling you how things work from their countless hours of actually pvping with the build, and you’re sitting there telling us everything we know is wrong because you wrote some stuff down that says it doesn’t work that way. Do you realize how absurd that is?

I wasn’t being sarcastic. My elementalist does more damage than any other class in the game. You think thieves or 100b warriors hit for 40k in a single ability in pvp? I do. I routinely land hits that put backstabs to shame. 15-20k? No problem. If I do 10k in a hit it’s just an ok attack.

The ele isn’t single target, and ignoring the fact that you can potentially do five times as much damage with every ability you have is dumb.

esdf movement
1-5 skills
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shift+qwer attunements

Clicking will always be inferior to hotkeys. It just is what it is. If you’re clicking, you aren’t using your mouse for other, more important things. Also, you don’t need some “gaming mouse” to stop clicking. Waste of money. Any standard mouse and keyboard works perfectly fine.

About the vid itself, watched a bit here and there, but I don’t think it was particularly edited for content. I’m sure there was some exciting moments, but lot of not much going on between. Maybe next time just start the clips when the fighting begins.