Guild Wars 2

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

Actually i’m basing all my reasoning off of what anet has said over and over again when it comes to not revealing content before it is done. While you are basing yours on .. what exactly? you “feel” that it’s ready?

Anyhow, they’ll get their time to get feedback when they are finished. That’s just how it works. Oh and not to mention to siliness of your whole “i prepurchased i’m entitled to test whatver i want” line. No, you prepurchased a game, you have gotten everything they said you would get, aces to the beta weekend. Prepurchasing does not entitle you to decide what is in said beta.

ScribeTheMad.7614:

Have they announced the second BWE? I can’t seem to find mention anywhere confirming a date that would exclude Ranger/Engie.

Yes they announced it, it should be up on the news section. It’s next week 4-6 september

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, plain and simple use of reason and logic.

Also given that you tried to turn things around on me, i’m gonna assume you have no source, and even if you did my argument is still correct, being confident in a concept does not mean it’s a finished product.

That’s pretty cool

<3 you tybalt, forever in our hearts

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

Thaddeus.4891:

Well both side of the argument are ok. It’s not like the profession will be botched because they have 1 less beta weekend. But at the same time, they could have waited 2 weeks and include all elite spec.

Depends on whether they’re ready or not. If they’re not ready yet why push back the opportunity to get some feedback on the others? The range and engi will get their testing, it just wont be tested by us this bwe.

Came in hre expecting something to do with real mice (those little cutesy things) was very much disappointed.

Anyhow, i’d very much like a "use all "option

Maethor.2810:

dsslive.8473:

Maethor.2810:

Sigh.

If this is indeed the staff it looks like… So much for the comment of ‘no two professions will be getting the same new weapons’.

they never said they wouldn’t give two specs the same weapon.

Could be remembering it incorrectly, but I could have sworn this was said when the specializations were first being mentioned to the public.

Still. Makes the thief and ranger specializations feel less, well, special.

Both mesmer and revvenant elite specs got shield and they function so incredbly different. It’s really about what it does and not how it looks.

Maethor.2810:

Sigh.

If this is indeed the staff it looks like… So much for the comment of ‘no two professions will be getting the same new weapons’.

they never said they wouldn’t give two specs the same weapon.

I like the name daredevil, tbh. Hope it sticks.

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

Zoul.1087:

What about women who don’t like that style of wedding dress? The train is too long… etc.

What about guys who wear a bowtie?

Seriously you ask for too much. There are tons of outfits, transmutations and etc. If you don’t like this one outfit make a different one.

I want balthazaars outfit but with a different helmet. Will anet cater to me?

Taste of style and equality ais not the same thing mate! Just a heads up!

Well, and i’m not really agreeing/disagreeing or voicing an opinion, but technically same sex marriages are completely possible. Some couples choose to both wear tuxes, others both wear dresses. At that point it is a matter of style. You can have a same-sex marriage rp if you want to, just not in the style you want (both wearing tuxes)

Bifrost obviously

Awesome, was hoping for thief to get staff, can’t wait till friday for the poi

Well ya had a 2 out of 3 chance to get what you wanted, but alas they went with thief which i’m personally very excited for.

Haha, have fun on your holiday

You are not paying a second time for the base game, the expansion is priced at $50 regardless of whether they ahd decided to give the core game free to new players.

Same here, no roleplay reason, i just like wings, be it the big feathery ones, or the small wings of dwayna ones.

Though if i have to talk about how “immersive” they are, well here’s my reason why they don’t break it:
They aren’t functional wings, they are a costume piece, with all the technology and strange armors, there will be people in tyria perfectly capable in making a set of fake wings if someone desires to wear them. So i don’t see any immersion breaking going a long with them, to me it just says something about that characters prefered look and ability to make/order a set of fake wings to wear.

Stace.1357:

I don’t think my reasons are poor at all, they are personal reasons to me and enough reason to start me looking elsewhere for gaming. The discussion was if you believed the end of GW was nigh, I personally think it is.

Whether reasons are poor or not depends on the person. Your personal reasons are valid to you, but it isn’t a reflection of the whole. You don’t like gw2 and that’s fine, but it doesn’t mean its “doomed”.

So no i don’t think gw2 is doomed. Some people will like it, some don’t, personal opinions however don’t really make up for good arguments as to whether a game is dieing, most of the times there are facts to back such statements up (ex. like vayne mentioned: lay offs)

Dinks.2478:

Where is the discount though? I see full priced Caithe and Kasmeer weapons. That isn’t a discount.

the black lion intro pack

Ohoni.6057:

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Again, as i said before, nothing to do with elitism or wanting to be special snowflake, i don’t see why people can’t get it into their heads that just because people want rewards tied to certain content it must obviously mean they just want to show off their superiority over all others who can’t do that content.

No, look, if you want the item, that’s fine, there’s nothing wrong with that. If you want others to NOT have that item, then you are by definition trying to exclude them, trying to be more special than they are. Even in your hypothetical in which nobody else could see your special skin, you would know that you had something they don’t, that you are a special snowflake. Why can’t they have that skin too? I think there’s a relevant story about this somewhere. . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes

I’m more than okay with others having it too, they are all capable of doing the same content, i’ve mentioned the token system several times with easier bosses with less tokens. I’m not excluding anyone, but jsut like i have to do pvp to get the glorious armor they’d ahve to atleast beat the easy bosses to get the tokens for the reward they want.

They can have that skin, there is a compromise right there, keep it tied to specific content but make it so the first few bosses are easier and give small amount of tokens compared to later/higher lvl bosses -, there they can now get their reward too.

There’s clearly no compromising here, it’s either everyone have everything doing whatever you want to do, no matter the difficulty , no matter the type, heck why not give legendaries as jp rewards? right? coze people should get what they want through doing just what they want to do? I’m fine with a token system so people who can’t handle or aren’t able to beat the really hard stuff still have smaller bosses/ easier levels to get there rewards from. But ofc there’s only one way to make things “better” (better being subjective, and without any numbers whatsoever even irrelevant) as long as “better” fits within your own view. (Which we already know is not the view of anet) So there’s really no point continuing this.

But if you want to generalize, villainize people (your comment on ppl arguing agaisnt you being “elitist scum”) a whole range of people just because they don’t agree with you what’s “better” for the game longterm, then this discussion is nothing more than beating a dead horse and this is my stop, have fun with all that.

fixit.7189:

Would have been nice to have some events for this instead of just bringing back old cash shop items instead and calling it a gift; I personally do not think asking for more money is a gift but that’s just me. I mean game has not had actual content updates in a looooong time and I expect HoT won’t show up until december at the very least so the end result is more waiting around bored.

I didn’t see them referring to this sale as “a gift” anywhere in that blogpost, maybe you’re confused with the birthday present (which is a gift) that your characters get for existing 1/2/3 years? (apparantly will be a birthday finisher or someting like that)

It’s a sale, not a gift, they’re not pretending it’s a gift, they’re are litteraly just saying “we’ll have items on sale , we’ll have returning items and new items” that’s it.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I’ve answered your question. I pointed out how your sentence structure implies the opposite of what you intended. And I even gave you an example of why your argument makes no sense . . . at all.

Don’t know how much clearer I could be, but I see the wheels on this bus aren’t going to stop anytime soon so I’m hopping off. But for the sake of my own curiosity:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Obviously, they want you to long in every day to check for sales. Gotta fluff those numbers! My goodness. Are people unhappy with the game right now?

Imagine that.

Show me where I implied the sale is happening because of the content drought.

I must have gotten the content drought from some other thread or post on this topic, but i think the “Are people unhappy with the game right now?” still implies that the sale isn’t a yearly thing regardless of whether people ahve things to do or not.

So ye, i’m msitaken on the specific’s (content drought) for which i apologize, but the implication is still there that it’s because of how the game is now, disregarding that it’s a yearly event.

Also, my argument did make sense if you didn’t shift the focus from the argument “why the sale is happening” (because apparantly people are unhappy now?) to “what’s the intention of the sale” which was never in doubt, at all.

but anyhow, consider the bus stopped.

Happy anniversary

Ardenwolfe.8590:

dsslive.8473:

The reason why people called your last post a “conspiracy theory” was because you implied that they did this sale just because there’s nothing to do, which is false, since they do this sale every year, even when there is new content jsut released (ex lv s2 chapter)

And yes, sales usually are intended to sell stuff.

If that was not your intent, you need to structure your sentences better. The nearest modifier, ‘which is false’, modifies the clause before it. That’s English 101.

Well excuse me for not having english as my first language

The “which is false” is about the implication you made that the sale only exists because there is nothing to do. When the sale is instead a yearly event regardless of content released. The part that comes after it, makes that pretty clear.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

And your argument is illogical. This is like saying so what if the stores have Christmas sales again? That happens every year. They’re not trying to draw a crowd of people to the mall. People who otherwise wouldn’t come around for sales. Oh no. We’re just having a Christmas sale every year because . . . well because it’s tradition. We do it every year!

It’s not like they’re trying to draw more people back with the sales. Heck no. We’re doing it for the pretty lights.

I hope you realize how ridiculous this argument sounds.

And did you not at all read the very last sentence in that post? Ofcourse a sale is to actually pull in people to SELL things, i say it right there.

The difference is , you implied it to be BECAUSE of the content drought, not because it’s a yearly thing. Which is quite a difference. You are saying that if there was content we wouldn’t have a sale (which was alrdy proved to be false) and is quite different than just being obvious over the intent of a sale.

Yes, they are trying to sell things by doing a sale but it’s not because of a content drought as you suggested. (i think i’ve repeated myself enough for now)

Ardenwolfe.8590:

dsslive.8473:

Probably because it has happened every year so far, with or without content drought, so yeah… The reason why people called your last post a “conspiracy theory” was because you implied that they did this sale just because there’s nothing to do, which is false, since they do this sale every year, even when there is new content jsut released (ex lv s2 chapter)

And yes, sales usually are intended to sell stuff.

Let me ask you this. Reread this thread, with all its negative responses. Then read all the threads on the forum begging ANet to add some kind of event, or to redo or repost prior events, and tell the community again that they have plenty to do.

I’m not implying anything. I’m telling you there is nothing to do. And a glorified sale is not an event. It’s a poor man’s attempt to get some of those players to come back and buy items they otherwise missed. And this will no doubt include new items like minis.

If that’s a conspiracy, well pass out the tin foil hats, friends, the show’s just starting.

Let me ask you this, reread my post and tell me where i said there is anything to do?

I’m not talking about people wanting events, i’m not talking about what there is and isn’t to do. What i AM talking about is the fact that this sale happenbs every year, whether there is content to complete or not.

You are implying that because there is nothing to do, they are having this sale to keep people logging in, which is false since this sale happens every year regardless of whether there is content for people to complete. AGAING, no where do i say there is anything to do ingame right now.

It’s said to be a conspiracy by other posters (note: i was jsut explaining why they said so since you asked) because you’re saying this sale ONLY exists to keep people logging in due to the content drought, which is proven false since this sale happens every year, even when there are content releases at that time (ex the living story chapter that released last year during that time)

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Why would ANet string along a sale for over near-month period? And release new items or rare released items over that time? Could it be to draw people into logging and buying those items?

I’m not Sherlock Holmes, but in the real world we call that common sense. Don’t know why that’s suddenly a ‘conspiracy’ theory, but far be it from me to tell anyone to otherwise.

Probably because it has happened every year so far, with or without content drought, so yeah… The reason why people called your last post a “conspiracy theory” was because you implied that they did this sale just because there’s nothing to do, which is false, since they do this sale every year, even when there is new content jsut released (ex lv s2 chapter)

And yes, sales usually are intended to sell stuff.

Ohoni.6057:

People want challenging content, and they want to feel appropiatly rewarded for it. Why is that so wrong? And no it’s not about being that “special snowflake” or to “stroke ones ego”.

There’s nothing wrong with that. If enough people want challenging content to justify the expense, then ANet should provide it. And people who play that challenging content should be appropriately rewarded for it. They should receive a quantity of loot that is appropriate to the time they put in achieving that task.

Those rewards should not come at the expense of other players though. If someone says “I want to do hardcore content, and I want to be able to earn the cool gear that I want that way,” then great, I’m right there with him on that. If he instead says “I want hardcore content, and I want to be able to earn the cool gear that I want that way, and I want them to keep that cool gear out of the hands of anyone who doesn’t run that content,” then no, he’s lost me there. Now he’s moving into elitist kitten territory, the “I deserve better because I am better” attitude that breed toxicity in other games, and has been kept relatively minimal by GW2’s current design.

It’s about feeling you accomplished something. You managed to defeat this hard boss, congratulations ahve this as a reward.

That’s what an achievement is for. A skin has intrinsic value, it is not a trophy to stroke one’s ego or make one feel like a special snowflake. The feeling of accomplishment comes from having passed the difficult content, not from being handed a skin after doing so.

But when i defeat something challenging, it’s fun and exciting. And people should be appropiately rewarded for doing so.

Totally agreed, the only difference of opinion is that “appropriately rewarded” doesn’t mean “uniquely rewarded.”

And i have absolutely no problem with it being the same as fractals where you can earn tokens from the easier parts, but rewards being tied to specific content, there is nothing wrong about. Fractal weapons should be earned by doing fractals, dungeon armor should be earned by beating said dungeons. make the difficulty scale as you go on so people who are average on skill can still get tokens from that content and eventually get the same reward for longer work.

(and yes, i know pvp tracks offer dungeon armor, but pvp and pve are such different experiences, plenty of people only like one or the other. So i’m fine with that, there, another option to get it)

No, that’s something i disagree about, a skin is just as much a trophy as an achievement. Again, as i said before, nothing to do with elitism or wanting to be special snowflake, i don’t see why people can’t get it into their heads that just because people want rewards tied to certain content it must obviously mean they just want to show off their superiority over all others who can’t do that content. Like that’s just ridiculous way of thinking. I don’t think that way of people wearing glorious gear or the balthazar backpack, both only available by playing pvp, i don’t feel like they’re trying to be a “special snowflake” or are “stroking their ego”. It’s just an easy way of dismissing someones opinion when there is nothing else to say. Not to say such people don’t exist, but to take them and make them out to be all of the people who want challenging content with a great reward. Generalizations enver worked out for anyone.

As i said earlier in ths post, i’d be more than happy with a token system and with difficulty that scales with time/lvl/similar to fotm, so that people can still get tokens for the skins they want that’s tied to said content.

Having unique rewards to certain content, is not even remotely a wrong thing. There are so many types of players , openworld/dungeons/fotm/wvw/pvp/etc and anet should make every effort to get people to try out different content, get people to step outside of their comfort zone, whether it be grinding the sw or wvw or fractals. All of the different types should ahve unique rewards tied to them. Wvw has, pvp has, dungeon (with the exception of reward tracks) have and even grinding has. I don’t grind, it bores me to hell. Which means a ton of items are out of my reach because of the sheer amount of gold or materials they need. But i don’t really mind. If i want that skin, i have the chance. It’s not out of reach.

PorceleinEve.2973:

phys.7689:

you really dont understand people who want challenge, i think you are confusing it with people who want fame/respect.

If the people who want challenge want it to go along with unique and exclusive rewards, he’s not confusing anything, it’s the same group.

The rest is just convenient rationalizations used to wrap up the need for fame under a more “noble” cause, that of challenge.

PorceleinEve.2973:

SkiTz.4590:

Than nobody is going to play the new challenging content if it doesn’t have “unique progression/reward system”.
Ppl won’t quit the game, but at the same time,
I highly doubt anet wants to see their new challenging content that they worked kitten as dead content…

I can already taste the frustration from some of the ppl here that already assume they won’t be able get the unique rewards from the new challenging content. It’s delicious.
Some of you people are just going to be extremely salty when it gets revealed next saturday that unique rewards/progression will be tied into the challenging content.

It’s not about the loot, but the joy of the challenge, unless it’s got no loot, in which case challenge means nothing. But it definitely isn’t about the loot, no sir. Only about the challenge, as long as the loot is there of course.

Gene Archer.8560:

SkiTz.4590:

Than nobody is going to play the new challenging content if it doesn’t have “unique progression/reward system”.

Then those people shouldn’t have wasted ANet’s time asking for challenging content since they clearly don’t actually care about challenging content.

They should have just been honest and said “I want to be a special snowflake, give me exclusive rewards. Stroke my ego.”

How is it hard to get that it isn’t that black and white, its not about either great loot, or either great challenge. This has been stated over and over in this thread yet seems to fall on deaf ears.

People want challenging content, and they want to feel appropiatly rewarded for it. Why is that so wrong? And no it’s not about being that “special snowflake” or to “stroke ones ego”. It’s about feeling you accomplished something. You managed to defeat this hard boss, congratulations ahve this as a reward. For all i care, no one else but me is able to see the reward i got, make the unique skin/wep/Whatever invisible to all players. But when i defeat something challenging, it’s fun and exciting. And people should be appropiately rewarded for doing so.

No need to portray everything as purely black and white when there are plenty of greytones that you choose to completely ignore.

@SpyderArachnid

You get a present when your character exists for another year, did you somehow miss that the last 2 times?

@thread

Well ye, it’s a sale, not a party, why would you expect content with it. It was the same last year, and the year before that. Sales usually tend to focus on store things, bit normal.

Not saying new events/special drops/etc wouldn’t be nice, it’d be awesome. But since it was the same the previous 2 times i don’t quite get why ppl were expecting something different now.

PorceleinEve.2973:

Conski Deshan.2057:

aha what?

aha, it was for the loot all along, and not for the challenge as some of you were claiming in the beginning of this thread.

SkiTz.4590:

What exactly are you “ahaing”

snip snap

Most of the ppl are just hoping that this new “challenging content” DOES NOT add more scraps to the system… theres enough of this… what there isn’t enough of is UNIQUE reward/progression.

that it is for the loot all along and not the need to be challenged. I think challenge doesn’t play into it at all, it’s the loot that makes it important.

And why can’t it be both? To be able to complete challenging content and actually get appropriately rewarded for it? Why would you see it kitten black and white instead of how it actually is, gray.

I want challenging content, i want to be able to have to work on getting better and yes, i like there to be a reward for actually getting better and managing to complete said challenging content. Not to show off or “flaunt my superiority” , but because i want to feel i accomplished something. And have something to show for that. For all i care all everyone else sees is the low quality models that show no detail at all, as long as i can enjoy something that i worked for.

Not every player feels the need to be a special little snowflake, most people in this thread aren’t defending unique rewards because they wanna show everyone else they are better than them (i’m sure you’ll find people like that, but to say everyone is is just 100% wrong) , what they are saying is that people who manage to complete something challenging shouldn’t feel like it didn’t matter, like it’s unimportant, they want to feel rewarded for putting in the time to learn the mechanics and to learn how to complete the fights. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What i am all for, however, is a token system, you get x amount of tokens at first boss/lowest lvl/etc and that amount rises the higher you go. Similar to fractals. But just like fractal skins, you have to do the content to get the item related to it. Instead of grinding and grinding for gold and buy it of the trading post.

Swag.5483:

I love playing ranger, specifically long bow and great sword. I pvp and pve with that set and enjoy the play style. My concern tho is when Druid comes out will he become a better version then our current specs that will make people say In like pve “o invite the ranger, but only if he comes as Druid”. I’m sad to say but if Druid becomes a specialztion that we HAVE to play because maybe it’s utility or superior party set up is the best, I’m going to have to think kitten a different class to play… What do all you think? Will Druid outshine or will there still be room for all of rangers specializations?

Elite specs are not meant to be stronger , better choces, they are simply different choices. So don’t worry, you’re build will be fine, you wont be forced to become druid because they won’t be stronger/better, just different

For the millionth time, the price of the expansion IS $50 , the base game coming free for new buyers doesn’t at all affect the price.

Crossaber.8934:

dsslive.8473:

Crossaber.8934:

Vayne.8563:

Astralporing.1957:

phys.7689:

i dont think most mmo players want to get everything without playing the game. pretty sure its a very small minority of players than want the dungeon title but dont want to do any dungeons.

Sure, but they might want dungeons they themselves will be able to run. Remember, for a large part of population dungeons, even the really easy ones, are still hard. Forumites, when compared to the rest of the population, are generally exceptionally skilled and esperienced – you shouldn’t assume everyone is around your skill level, or even around you skill potential. There are many players that will never come close, no matter how hard they will try. What you might consider a moderate level of difficulty, that should be cleared by anyone with a little effort, is most likely prohibitively hard to many, many players.

I went into TA this week with a party of five. We didn’t get past the wurms in the beginning after three tries. Two people left the party and with those people replaced, we beat the wurms in no time flat.

Those two people, one of whom was new, one has been playing since launch. Sure eventually they might get it, but everyone has a different discouragement threshold.

Also if dungeons could be soloed, I’m convinced a lot more people would do it. I think it’s looking bad in front of others that prevents many from trying.

Exactly this, I have been desired to obtain Arah heavy legging since launch.(A lv10 noob starring at the dungeon merchant since then….) But almost 3 years passed, i’ve only played arah exp P1 once and i found that it took too long to complete, therefore i’ve never join any arah exp again. And of couse i am never able to obtain the skin until couple days ago i got it from the PvP reward track.

you are not “never able to obtain the skin”. You are compeltely able to obtain it, the point is, you choose not to. There’s quite the difference.

No, it is not my choice.

Time is what i don’t have especially after marrage.

i work till 8pm everyday. 1hr transport to home. i have to start cooking with my wife, about 10pm we’ve done dinner, since then we need to clean up and i am only able to play while she is bathing. That 15-20mins period sometimes not enough for me to finish 1 pvp match.

Every time i contents that require longer playtime, i will have to afk here and there to take care family matters. Therefore i only party with RL friends. We understand each other and we all have needs to attent to family problems.

You are lucky for having so many luxery time to play. I dont because most of my time is working. I live in the most expensive housing city in the world. I have a good salary job which is well above average. But i do not own a house and if i want to, i need to save up all my earnings for 17years no spending a penny to buy a small flat at CURRENT price if the housing got no inflation for that period.

There are many players that only play for casual for entertainment only. I like the way pvp now even i am no pvpers, i can still slowly obtain the skin i desired.

You choose to priorities family/work over playing the game (as you should, i priorities my job first too) I get it, you don’t have much time to play, and while i’m sure that sucks it doesn’t mean some of the higher/rarer/more time intensive rewards shouldn’t exist. Like i said earlier in this thread, there’s plenty of skins out of my reach too, but i’m fine with that. I move on and play something i do like. Rewards should be depended pn the difficulty of the content, not on how little time X% of the playerbase has to play.

Arah armor (while there are paths that take like 30m) is out of reach, the way you schedule your time makes it that way. But that doesn’t mean it should be easier to get that’s all i’m saying.

Vayne.8563:

dsslive.8473:

Stars.2179:

Actually, there are such thing is non-viable builds a well as game play. Just because Goku or Abe or Wethospu can solo the crap out of everything naked doesn’t mean other people can do it. There are such thing as non-viable way of playing for others and for them, sometimes it IS IMPOSSIBLE!

not sure if this was in reply to my response to the arah guy, but here we go

He already managed to complete arah once, so it’s not out of his reach, the thing is that it simply took too long (all dungeons are gonna take long if you’re doing the for the first time) Instead of sking for help or just joining a party and learning as he goes he decides it’s “out of reach” when it really isn’t. No one is saying he should be able to solo arah naked (i surely can’t), you don’t do dungeons alone, you’re there with a group and most of the times (from my experience) people are totally willing to explain the bossfights and to help (ofcourse there are exceptions).

So no, it’s not “impossible”, he jsut made the decision that it wasn’t worht the effort. And thats a totally valid decision, there are skins i like but i just don’t see it being worth the effort, they aren’t “impossible” to obtain for me though (and i’m far from good). It’s just me weighing their value agaisnt whether i’d enjoy getting them. I rather have fun , than force myself to grind or do something unfun for a skin. And that’s okay, i won’t get that skin , i move on.

Wrong or right, that’s the attitude of a lot of people. This isn’t a job, it’s a game. You play games to have fun. If you don’t find dungeons fun, you don’t do dungeons. If they make it so you can ONLY get rewards from dungeons and you want those rewards, you’re forced to do something you’re not enjoying, at which point, it’s not a game anymore.

Sure anyone CAN do it. I can go to the gym and work out too, but I don’t, because I don’t find it fun. The thing is, I have huge amounts of time to play so it doesn’t matter if some stuff I do isn’t fun for a bit, but people who have less time to play…it becomes a bigger deal. How many of these people are there? What is the threshold before they throw in the towel? It varies from person to person.

But it doesn’t make those people wrong.

I never said anything about right or wrong, so hold that horse a bit longer

Yes, this is a game, i never once compared it to a job, i didn’t tell anyone to do anyhting they don’t enjoy, i surely don’t. I play to have fun, for me in gw2 i have fun playing fractals and the occasional dungeons, but mostly from exploring and the story (which since it’s been on hold, so has my playing time for awhile)

The thing is, there are plenty of skins out of my reach , i don’t have a single legendary (Have never gotten a precursor drop and since grinding gold is boring i don’t do it, i have all the otehr pieces acquierd of the 3 years ive been playing) i don’t have any of the pvp exclusive rewards (i don’t like pvp , i could force myself, but that’s not fun so i don’t do it)and there are plenty of other high cost skins that are out of my reach beause i dislike endless grind.

That doesn’t, however, mean that they should be made more easily available. I have had plenty of times where i wanted a specific piece in one of my armors (i only mix-and-match) and it was one of the skins that i wouldn’t be able to get, unless i play this game aas a job and suck all the fun out of it. The thing is, i recognize it and move on. There is absolutely nothing wrong with connecting certain rewards to certain content. It’s OKAY to not get every skin.

I could make threads about how horrible pvp exclusive skins are because i really want them, but i dont, because they’re not horrible. They create an interesting incentive for people to try out different types of content. And that’s perfectly fine.

I’m all for making certain rewards tied to hard content or specific content, even if that means i can’t get it. My fun doesn’t disappear becasue i can’t ahve that one item, or that one mini. I’m pretty casual (played more casual-hardcore before) I don’t run the most viable builds (i ran a healing necro because i had fun with it lol) , i know somethings wil be out of reach, and ou know what, i’m perfectly fine with that.

And to finish it off with the same type of generalization (might not be the right word) that a lot of people in this thread like to use, i’m prettysure there are plenty of people like me that are okay letting go of a skin because the way to get it isn’t fun.

Stars.2179:

Actually, there are such thing is non-viable builds a well as game play. Just because Goku or Abe or Wethospu can solo the crap out of everything naked doesn’t mean other people can do it. There are such thing as non-viable way of playing for others and for them, sometimes it IS IMPOSSIBLE!

not sure if this was in reply to my response to the arah guy, but here we go

He already managed to complete arah once, so it’s not out of his reach, the thing is that it simply took too long (all dungeons are gonna take long if you’re doing the for the first time) Instead of sking for help or just joining a party and learning as he goes he decides it’s “out of reach” when it really isn’t. No one is saying he should be able to solo arah naked (i surely can’t), you don’t do dungeons alone, you’re there with a group and most of the times (from my experience) people are totally willing to explain the bossfights and to help (ofcourse there are exceptions).

So no, it’s not “impossible”, he jsut made the decision that it wasn’t worht the effort. And thats a totally valid decision, there are skins i like but i just don’t see it being worth the effort, they aren’t “impossible” to obtain for me though (and i’m far from good). It’s just me weighing their value agaisnt whether i’d enjoy getting them. I rather have fun , than force myself to grind or do something unfun for a skin. And that’s okay, i won’t get that skin , i move on.

Stars.2179:

dsslive.8473:

Stars.2179:

I totally agree with OP. I don’t want rewards to be exclusive. For example
Fractals 50 are too hard and I want those fractal skins. But I can’t afford 4-5 hours a day grinding one fractal at time all the way to 50 then a few hundred more. What I can do is spending 50 mins on ACp1 and 30 mins on CoFp1 once day. Fractal skins is out of my reach. When HoT comes out I will quit the game if I can’t trade maybe 1000 ac and cof tokens combined for each fractal skin. Please don’t be exclusive.

When september hits, I can only afford about 30 mins a day on this game due to work. I don’t even know if I can grind out those AC tokens anymore. It takes 30 mins for path 1 or 3. What I can do I roleplay in Queensdale. Please let me earn roleplay tokens every time I type /e followed by a sentence that’s more than 100 characters long and let me exchange 10,000 role play tokens for those fractal skin please! Please!

you don’t need lvl 50 fractals to get the skins they can drop from lvl 25 and up (i believe). Source: guy who has half of the fractal skins and never completed lvl 50.

Considering fractal level 9 takes me 4-5 hours. , let alone higher than 9. This is out of my reach

That’s quite a long time indeed but eventually you’ll get to a higher level where people have somewhat a clue what to do and things will end up going much faster. (not to say that 3-4 hour runs stop from happening, and they can be frustrating)

Tho with the fractal change the time spent inside will be shortened so it should become more possible in the future

Crossaber.8934:

Vayne.8563:

Astralporing.1957:

phys.7689:

i dont think most mmo players want to get everything without playing the game. pretty sure its a very small minority of players than want the dungeon title but dont want to do any dungeons.

Sure, but they might want dungeons they themselves will be able to run. Remember, for a large part of population dungeons, even the really easy ones, are still hard. Forumites, when compared to the rest of the population, are generally exceptionally skilled and esperienced – you shouldn’t assume everyone is around your skill level, or even around you skill potential. There are many players that will never come close, no matter how hard they will try. What you might consider a moderate level of difficulty, that should be cleared by anyone with a little effort, is most likely prohibitively hard to many, many players.

I went into TA this week with a party of five. We didn’t get past the wurms in the beginning after three tries. Two people left the party and with those people replaced, we beat the wurms in no time flat.

Those two people, one of whom was new, one has been playing since launch. Sure eventually they might get it, but everyone has a different discouragement threshold.

Also if dungeons could be soloed, I’m convinced a lot more people would do it. I think it’s looking bad in front of others that prevents many from trying.

Exactly this, I have been desired to obtain Arah heavy legging since launch.(A lv10 noob starring at the dungeon merchant since then….) But almost 3 years passed, i’ve only played arah exp P1 once and i found that it took too long to complete, therefore i’ve never join any arah exp again. And of couse i am never able to obtain the skin until couple days ago i got it from the PvP reward track.

you are not “never able to obtain the skin”. You are compeltely able to obtain it, the point is, you choose not to. There’s quite the difference.

Stars.2179:

I totally agree with OP. I don’t want rewards to be exclusive. For example
Fractals 50 are too hard and I want those fractal skins. But I can’t afford 4-5 hours a day grinding one fractal at time all the way to 50 then a few hundred more. What I can do is spending 50 mins on ACp1 and 30 mins on CoFp1 once day. Fractal skins is out of my reach. When HoT comes out I will quit the game if I can’t trade maybe 1000 ac and cof tokens combined for each fractal skin. Please don’t be exclusive.

When september hits, I can only afford about 30 mins a day on this game due to work. I don’t even know if I can grind out those AC tokens anymore. It takes 30 mins for path 1 or 3. What I can do I roleplay in Queensdale. Please let me earn roleplay tokens every time I type /e followed by a sentence that’s more than 100 characters long and let me exchange 10,000 role play tokens for those fractal skin please! Please!

you don’t need lvl 50 fractals to get the skins they can drop from lvl 25 and up (i believe). Source: guy who has half of the fractal skins and never completed lvl 50.

Gabriell.4856:

dsslive.8473:

The order of the reveals doesn’t really matter, they’ll all still be there come release.

It does matter. HOT is scheduled to be released this year. They said 2015. There’s about 3 months left before the deadline (I hightly doubt they want to release after Xmas).

The classes that were revealed are receiving fine tuning and adjustment due to feedback from BWE.

Basically, the medium armor will be revealed last and leave little time for feedback and adjustments. If they cut it too close, they will patch it after release.

So…I’m going to call it now. Medium armor classes will be unfinished or not as fine tuned as the heavy and light armor classes comes HOT release.

This all has to do with the TIMING of the reveal, not the ORDER. so my point still stands.

Ofcourse logan will marry Queen jennah, let’s first find him in the jungle tho, where he went down with the rest of the pact

Gray.9041:

dsslive.8473:

Gray.9041:

dsslive.8473:

The order of the reveals doesn’t really matter, they’ll all still be there come release.

but will they all be there come the next BWE? if not, then they’ll have less testing, and consequently fewer bug fixes or general improvements. on top of this, it means those Medium armour fans get less value out of the betas.

I don’t know depends on when the next beta is. But regardless, it doesn’t matter which aren’t revealed before the next beta, there’d still be some not reveal thus get less player testing . The type of armor that the class wears doesn’t really matter. Most people are fans of classes not the whole armortype, so doesn’t matter which are left out of the next beta (if any) there’d still be people who don’t get to test their favourite class (if they arent revealed by the next beta)

well, it is a little unfair to leave a whole armour class until last, but I’d also say that medium armour might be the armour class needing most attention (thief/ranger ain’t so hot right now), which doesn’t help.

Fairness has nothing to do with it. What is important is whether the class is ready to be revealed, anet has stated plenty of times that they don’t reveal something they don’t feel is ready. Clearly the medium classes aren’t ready. It’s not like there is some sort of deep-rooted hatred for medium classes at anet. It will be revealed when it’s ready.

I would have loved to see ranger or thief (being one of my mains) but clearly they aren’t ready and there’s no point in being upset it’s not shown yet. Just be patient, they’ll come.

Gray.9041:

dsslive.8473:

The order of the reveals doesn’t really matter, they’ll all still be there come release.

but will they all be there come the next BWE? if not, then they’ll have less testing, and consequently fewer bug fixes or general improvements. on top of this, it means those Medium armour fans get less value out of the betas.

I don’t know depends on when the next beta is. But regardless, it doesn’t matter which aren’t revealed before the next beta, there’d still be some not reveal thus get less player testing . The type of armor that the class wears doesn’t really matter. Most people are fans of classes not the whole armortype, so doesn’t matter which are left out of the next beta (if any) there’d still be people who don’t get to test their favourite class (if they arent revealed by the next beta)

The order of the reveals doesn’t really matter, they’ll all still be there come release.

Alpha.1308:

the game initially stated “play how you want to play”

You’ve seem to taken this bit out of context, that statement reffered to being able to get the best gear doing what you want, pvp, wvw, pve (dungeons/fractals/crafting/etc)

Anyhow, back to the topic at hand.

I’d love more nature themed /plant armor. Give us some sylvari fashion to spread around

That and water themed armor, not ice, water.

More will be released in the future.

thefinnster.7105:

yes if we still have karma boosters if we still have them in the bank but your forgetting the nerff in duration if i bought a gem store item promising me 1 hour of karma buff that’s what i should get for my money i shouldn’t log in one day to find them nerffed like this

let me put it to you this way you go to the store buy a pack of chocolate biscuits containing 30 biscuits and go home and put them in your cupboard only to find the store owner has come in to your house and taken 20 biscuits back and telling you that hes selling new tastier biscuits
ok im just having a laugh with the biscuit analogy but its not much diff from this scenario
Anet has taken my biscuits

The duration was always 1 hour of the boosts no? coze for me they still say “1 hour”, so after checking my boosters in bank, i’m not really seeing a nerf. Or is the description not showing the real numbers?

Even the ones in the enchanted combo thingy still show 1 hour durations.

thefinnster.7105:

the gem sote greed angle is simple in order to push these new boosters on us they had to make the old ones seem useless coz lets face it if it wasent for these changes id still have 113 enchanted boosters with 1 hour duration of my choice
the new boosters dont realy bring anything new to the table that interests me i dont care if it spawns a merchant i have a perma merchant express
so me and many other players who stockpiled boosters have prety much no use for the new ones if they didnt nerff the old ones i could quite hapily continue to use the old ones at my leisure for the next year
so many player like me will not have any interest in these new ones
but nerff them to the point of allmost being useless and sudenly the new ones seem more appealing thus making them valuable and more likely to sell
if it had anything to do with just simply makeing a better boost what posible excuse could they have for messing with the old ones and plz remeber what i said for a lot of players these where potentialy bought with real life cash
in what economey any place in the world would this kinda behavior be accepted in the real world

But how are they pushing you to BUY the new ones? I get that they’re pushing the new ones amongst those enchanted boosters, but those aren’t bought, you alrdy have those. Am i missing something, coze i still don’t see the whole “gemstore greed”

I get that it sucks that they nerfed the old ones that are part of the enchanted thing, it sux. But i still don’t see how “greed” is involved.

Anything other than fire themed at this point ^^ we’ve got plenty of those.

Not sure i’m getting the “gemstore greed” angle since they took away 9 items and replaced them with 3, they also took away the combo pack and the communal fire. Wouldn’t having players by multiple boosters of different kinds (xp, wvwxp , pvp) be more profitable then selling boosters who are basically a type of “all-in-one” ?

I do miss the karma boosters and am unsure why those had to go (not that i rly ever used them anyway) But those boosters are still there (the ones ppl alrdy ahd), they didn’t take them away so, even if i had bought them, they’ve remained unchanged (unless i missed something) and thus i can still use them for the purpose i would have spent gems on them. the 1 hour karma boost is still in my bank, 17 of them, unchanged.

The one change they did make, that i’m not sure makes sense is take away karma boosts from the"enchanted rewards boost" so ppl who used the powder to save space did loose those if they changed karma ones into it.