Guild Wars 2

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dom.2748:

eisberg.2379:

dom.2748:

mercury ranique.2170:

BunjiKugashira.9754:

mercury ranique.2170:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

John.8507:

Ameepa.6793:

I’ll just add a little clarification just in case, because I have noticed that some people do not know what SMS is.

SMS is the very basic text message that is a basic function in every mobile phone.

True but apparently not all players want to have a mobile phone.

And, of course, you need no mobile phone to use the SMS option, as you can specify voice for landlines.

Not all landline nets are capable of sending/recieving sms over landlines. Also not all phones for landlines are capable of sending/recieving sms.

So if this is made something that is required of all users, they should add a third option.

An easy and reletive cheap system is where you recieve a phonecall and an automated voice reads your code out loud.

I do agree that two way authentification is needed and important, but it has to be in such a way that everyone can use it

You do know that you can use the Authenticator for two way authentification? And you can use WinAuth for that. WinAuth runs on any Windows-Computer. And now don’t tell me someone who’s playing GW2 might not have a Computer…

Using winauth is NOT true two way authentification and has the same issue as an email. It is run on the same computer you play on. So if someone’s security is breeched, it is just as bad as recieving the email. The only advantage is that winauth on itself is much more secure then email.

Two way authentification means you are using two physical devices, so a potential hacker has to hack his way into both.

dom.2748:

And all 3 options are kitten.

1- Anet now has my cell phone number.
2- Anet now has my landline number.
3- I’ve now been forced to install shady software because I don’t want to give a company my phone number.

I’ll be honest with you.
I can understand that it is not nice that you are forced to give your phone number. But having the game poluted by goldsellers cause people are using insecure measures are not nice either. So if you don’t use any two-way authentification and you personally don’t care bout your own security and getting hacked, I do believe, the harm done to the community still justifies it.

So assuming (which really is going to be the case) that two way authentication IS going to be required (cause it is needed for the community as a whole). What alternatives that sattisfy you are valid? Keep in mind it has to be two ways (so two devices used).
So the current system of an email is not cutting it.

Also if non of the offered ways are a valid option for you, I think it would be perfectly ok to discuss it with support. I even can imagine that in certain occasions they are willing to bypass the rule (for example after you have proven to use very secure passwords and different passwords on both your email and game, and have shown your other measures like firewalls are up and running)
Or that they give you some kind of compensation (depending on the age of your account and individual purchases) if you have very strong reasons to quit playing over this.

Bottom line is that 2 way authentication is needed for the game and should be the standard. In extreme situations support is always there to give personalised solutions.

Game polluted by gold sellers? How often do you actually run into gold sellers? I run into one or two once a week or so. They usually spam me in whispers and a quick block solves the problem.

Instead of artificially making people think their accounts are safe through shady practices like collecting peoples phone numbers, maybe anet should be teaching people proper security. Like requiring better passwords and encouraging different passwords for different things.

This is just going to replace the “gold seller” support tickets with “I lost my winauth code, I can has game back nao?!” support tickets.

There is nothing shady about asking for your phone number. They have an agreement with you to not sell your personal information. They are bound by law to not sell your personal information with that agreement.

So unless you can actually come up with some actual evidence of different things being shady, stop trying to spread misinformation.

LOL bound by law, I can’t even. The level of hilarity. Have fun, I hope the telemarketers at least leave you alone in the middle of the night. Though I doubt it because they’ll probably be calling from some 3rd world country in a different timezone.

The level of hilarity is coming from your own ignorance. For the US the law is with in the Federal Trade Commission Act. Other countries have a similar laws as well.

And no, I do not get calls from telemarketers, haven’t in many years now, except for ones that I authorize. Also, you are showing your ignorance of the laws again, because telemarketers are bound by law to only call during certain hours. Those hours are : 9am to 9:30pm on Weekdays, 10am to 6pm on the weekends, and those times are bound by the time zone you live in, not the time zone of the telemarketers. Companies outside of the US are also bound by these laws.

dom.2748:

mtpelion.4562:

Anyone else have the sneaking suspicion that some people are opposed to SMS because it will make it harder for them to steal other people’s accounts?

Maybe I’m just a cynic, but when you can’t form a coherent reason for disliking something it always makes me think the worst about the real reason you are opposed to it.

No, I’m opposed to it because giving my phone number to corporations is contrary to security and safe internet use. Which it is allegedly promoting. Just like I won’t give out my phone number to random people on the street. I don’t need people I don’t know calling me when anet sells my phone number. You can make baseless unproveable claims that they don’t sell phone numbers but that is meaningless to me and to anybody who knows better than to trust a corporation with their personal information.

I am also opposed to the alternative using winauth because well winauth is a piece of crap.

Yet I have gone years upon years without any telemarketing phones calls that I didn’t authorize, and I have given my phone number to so many companies over the years. I only give my information to companies that have the privacy policy and agreement to not sell my information. Again, it is all bound by laws, and believe it or not 99.99999% of companies actually obey the laws. So if you really want to worry about that extremely rare company that wants to break the law, then by all means live a life of paranoia. Any other reasonable person will know that nobody will sell their information.

How exactly is winauth a piece of crap?

dom.2748:

mercury ranique.2170:

BunjiKugashira.9754:

mercury ranique.2170:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

John.8507:

Ameepa.6793:

I’ll just add a little clarification just in case, because I have noticed that some people do not know what SMS is.

SMS is the very basic text message that is a basic function in every mobile phone.

True but apparently not all players want to have a mobile phone.

And, of course, you need no mobile phone to use the SMS option, as you can specify voice for landlines.

Not all landline nets are capable of sending/recieving sms over landlines. Also not all phones for landlines are capable of sending/recieving sms.

So if this is made something that is required of all users, they should add a third option.

An easy and reletive cheap system is where you recieve a phonecall and an automated voice reads your code out loud.

I do agree that two way authentification is needed and important, but it has to be in such a way that everyone can use it

You do know that you can use the Authenticator for two way authentification? And you can use WinAuth for that. WinAuth runs on any Windows-Computer. And now don’t tell me someone who’s playing GW2 might not have a Computer…

Using winauth is NOT true two way authentification and has the same issue as an email. It is run on the same computer you play on. So if someone’s security is breeched, it is just as bad as recieving the email. The only advantage is that winauth on itself is much more secure then email.

Two way authentification means you are using two physical devices, so a potential hacker has to hack his way into both.

dom.2748:

And all 3 options are kitten.

1- Anet now has my cell phone number.
2- Anet now has my landline number.
3- I’ve now been forced to install shady software because I don’t want to give a company my phone number.

I’ll be honest with you.
I can understand that it is not nice that you are forced to give your phone number. But having the game poluted by goldsellers cause people are using insecure measures are not nice either. So if you don’t use any two-way authentification and you personally don’t care bout your own security and getting hacked, I do believe, the harm done to the community still justifies it.

So assuming (which really is going to be the case) that two way authentication IS going to be required (cause it is needed for the community as a whole). What alternatives that sattisfy you are valid? Keep in mind it has to be two ways (so two devices used).
So the current system of an email is not cutting it.

Also if non of the offered ways are a valid option for you, I think it would be perfectly ok to discuss it with support. I even can imagine that in certain occasions they are willing to bypass the rule (for example after you have proven to use very secure passwords and different passwords on both your email and game, and have shown your other measures like firewalls are up and running)
Or that they give you some kind of compensation (depending on the age of your account and individual purchases) if you have very strong reasons to quit playing over this.

Bottom line is that 2 way authentication is needed for the game and should be the standard. In extreme situations support is always there to give personalised solutions.

Game polluted by gold sellers? How often do you actually run into gold sellers? I run into one or two once a week or so. They usually spam me in whispers and a quick block solves the problem.

Instead of artificially making people think their accounts are safe through shady practices like collecting peoples phone numbers, maybe anet should be teaching people proper security. Like requiring better passwords and encouraging different passwords for different things.

This is just going to replace the “gold seller” support tickets with “I lost my winauth code, I can has game back nao?!” support tickets.

There is nothing shady about asking for your phone number. They have an agreement with you to not sell your personal information. They are bound by law to not sell your personal information with that agreement.

So unless you can actually come up with some actual evidence of different things being shady, stop trying to spread misinformation.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

I partly Disagree with gest of Gaile post (and hey that doens’t happen many times). Wvw at first also had a straight reset for the world. No longer! EU and USA happely. ‘but but server in USA AND USA times our devs present’ doesn’t apply there.

There’s achievements (some seem grindy) that have to be completed in this beta weekend. Yeah achievements are not end of the world but still, americans are definitely handed them a 3 day event (while eu is 2 day event).

Some people hoped for beta weekend and were dissapointed now you push it out of EU cititizens time.

Last: Even the oh so mighty devs cannot 24/7 watch the events. They HAVE TO SLEEP. Conclusion, playing during peak interest hour will yield best moments for them to ‘engage in the test/change where necessary’. But here comes the but. The first evening is a bust on that part already cause no EU presence (wich means low test attendance), And something tells me you people ‘sleep’ already then.

Ruby often says during ‘Point of Interest’ omg it’s almost 5 pm already, we gonna have to cut short. The start of Beta weekend is 3-5 hours later wich even for working people in NA is weird. Starting it early would make more sense in the way of ‘we are devs and want to be there during the beta’. The weekend starts right AFTER The dev hours, not much sense there doesn’kitten

Sorry for being negative, but to much stuff doesn’t make sense here for it to not be discussed.

The beta weekend starts in the middle of the work day for the developers, not at the end of their day. Also, you have no idea how they are conducting the beta testing. It is a safe assumption they are going to have people monitoring everything from the beginning to the end during the test, they will just do it in shifts.

dom.2748:

eisberg.2379:

dom.2748:

eisberg.2379:

oh, also, a false positive from a crappy anti virus is also not a valid reason to call the authenticator as being shady. I once used an antivirus that called the Guildwars 2 file you download to install the game as malware, and that file came right from Arenanet.

Even more reason to not share my phone number with them or install shady software they recommend. Thanks for confirmation.

You do not understand how antivirus work do you? False positives are not uncommon, and almost usually happen on the crappy ones or the free ones.

And what does your phone number have anything to do with a false positive from a crappy or free malware protection system?

Again, there is nothing shady about it. Where are you even getting the information that it is shady? Because the only person I saw that called it shady is because their free malware protection system said it was, but never mind that better quality and not free malware protection systems do not give a false positive on it. And again, it is open source, which means anybody can look through that code and can find anything shady about it, which nobody has found any. So the fact is, calling it shady is an outright lie with absolutely no proof to back it up.

It is shady because it doesn’t save the code… What are you talking about?

More importantly giving my phone number to a company would have to be one of the dumbest things I’d ever do in my life if I did it.

1- Why would it need to save the code?
What am I talking about? I am saying that it is not shady because there is nothing shady about it. It doesn’t do anything else other than give you a code to enter when ever you log on from a different network range than what you have authorized before. There is nothing shady in the program, it is impossible to hide anything shady in the program because it is open source. Do you even know what “Open Source” is? I am guess you do not, and are probably someone what computer illiterate and that is why you feel the authenticator is shady because you do not understand it.

2- Why would it be dumb to give your number to them?

So far I have not seen any logical arguments coming from you. You make baseless accusations, and give no reasoning for anything.

dom.2748:

eisberg.2379:

oh, also, a false positive from a crappy anti virus is also not a valid reason to call the authenticator as being shady. I once used an antivirus that called the Guildwars 2 file you download to install the game as malware, and that file came right from Arenanet.

Even more reason to not share my phone number with them or install shady software they recommend. Thanks for confirmation.

You do not understand how antivirus work do you? False positives are not uncommon, and almost usually happen on the crappy ones or the free ones.

And what does your phone number have anything to do with a false positive from a crappy or free malware protection system?

Again, there is nothing shady about it. Where are you even getting the information that it is shady? Because the only person I saw that called it shady is because their free malware protection system said it was, but never mind that better quality and not free malware protection systems do not give a false positive on it. And again, it is open source, which means anybody can look through that code and can find anything shady about it, which nobody has found any. So the fact is, calling it shady is an outright lie with absolutely no proof to back it up.

oh, also, a false positive from a crappy anti virus is also not a valid reason to call the authenticator as being shady. I once used an antivirus that called the Guildwars 2 file you download to install the game as malware, and that file came right from Arenanet.

When a legit company states they will not sell your information, they will not sell your information, otherwise they would be breaking laws. I never get any telemarketing calls on my phone that I didn’t authorize. I have given so many companies my phone number, but I only give it to ones that have a privacy policy of not selling my information. Arenanet/NCsoft will not sell your phone number to anybody, it is against their privacy policy and the agreements they made with the customer when setting up the system.

dom.2748:

eisberg.2379:

mercury ranique.2170:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

John.8507:

Ameepa.6793:

I’ll just add a little clarification just in case, because I have noticed that some people do not know what SMS is.

SMS is the very basic text message that is a basic function in every mobile phone.

True but apparently not all players want to have a mobile phone.

And, of course, you need no mobile phone to use the SMS option, as you can specify voice for landlines.

Not all landline nets are capable of sending/recieving sms over landlines. Also not all phones for landlines are capable of sending/recieving sms.

So if this is made something that is required of all users, they should add a third option.

An easy and reletive cheap system is where you recieve a phonecall and an automated voice reads your code out loud.

I do agree that two way authentification is needed and important, but it has to be in such a way that everyone can use it

It is not SMS on phone line, it is a voice call that speaks the code you need to enter.

There are 3 options:
1- SMS
2- Voice call on phone line
3- Authenticator program installed on your computer.

And all 3 options are kitten.

1- Anet now has my cell phone number.
2- Anet now has my landline number.
3- I’ve now been forced to install shady software because I don’t want to give a company my phone number.

1 and 2: So they have your phone number. They don’t do anything with it except to send you the code. It would be highly illegal for them to go against their privacy policy.
3- The authenticator is far from being shady. There is nothing shady about it. Also hard to be shady when the program is open source, which means that if it was shady, people would have already made it big news as being shady, or since it is open source taken the shady stuff out of it. In other words, the authenticator is not shady at all.

mercury ranique.2170:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

John.8507:

Ameepa.6793:

I’ll just add a little clarification just in case, because I have noticed that some people do not know what SMS is.

SMS is the very basic text message that is a basic function in every mobile phone.

True but apparently not all players want to have a mobile phone.

And, of course, you need no mobile phone to use the SMS option, as you can specify voice for landlines.

Not all landline nets are capable of sending/recieving sms over landlines. Also not all phones for landlines are capable of sending/recieving sms.

So if this is made something that is required of all users, they should add a third option.

An easy and reletive cheap system is where you recieve a phonecall and an automated voice reads your code out loud.

I do agree that two way authentification is needed and important, but it has to be in such a way that everyone can use it

It is not SMS on phone line, it is a voice call that speaks the code you need to enter.

There are 3 options:
1- SMS
2- Voice call on phone line
3- Authenticator program installed on your computer.

So yes, it is already done in a way that everybody can use it.

Gibson.4036:

gooeykat.1875:

All that said, GW2 is still an incredible value and anyway you look at it ArenaNet is offering alot of game for very little price.

No, clearly there are ways to look at it in which that is not true. We wouldn’t have people disgruntled with the price, otherwise.

Conversations about “fairness” and the like are irrelevant to me. I don’t care if the price point compares to other MMORPGs. The only thing I really care about is whether I think the price is worth what I seem to be getting.

A handful of new zones with 1-3 biomes a piece and a bunch of fixed for various parts of the game that should have been there at launch. Gliding is new. This doesn’t seem like enough for the price of a full game. I might as well jump into another game and get a great deal more new stuff to explore.

Yes, my initial box price got me a lot of play over the last three years. But that is completely irrelevant to whether I want to pay this much for the content that it will unlock. No business in the world asks people to pay money for stuff they’ve already received because the initial price they paid was so cheap. It doesn’t work that way.

So I log in some days to get the login chest. I’ll buy HoT when it gets down to $20-30, and I’ll be swimming in laurels, loyalty chests and level up tomes to get going. I’ll have the added advantage of enjoying HoT after the worst of the bugs have been cleaned up because the early adopters have done their post-launch beta testing.

You are forgetting that the expansion is more than what they are showing, there is also all the content additions that are going to be made through the life of the expansion. They already stated that all new content additions, like living story, will be for the expansion and you need the expansion for this stuff.

Also, each biome is basically a map all by itself, so we are getting something that is more equivalent to 9-12 maps. And honestly, I cannot think of any other AAA MMO that added just as much maps in the expansion as there was in the core game, they always seem to be half as much if not less.

Algreg.3629:

Tomer.4098:

Arantheal.7396:

Angry Joe:
A wannabe game-journalist who’s known for emotional fits, spanning over several videos, reviews consisting of overhyping or overexaggerating single features/bugs & usually doing nothing but screaming at his camera to deliver some kind of point.
Does he get my clicks? Sure, since he’s comedy gold, especially since he regularly starts his “Angry-Army” guilds & communities for various games, inviting his followers to join him in these games, only to run off soon after & leave a headless community, doomed to get laughed at whenever they stick up their head in mapchat or game-forums, or die off eventually.
The best part is where he pretends that him giving up a reasonable job for “doing this” is some kind of achievement he has to be honored over, while struggling to keep above the economic surface with t-shirt & other merchandise sells.
I like how many fanboys he has, even tho he kittened them over again & again.

I mean, even the industry regards him as complete failure & joke, resulting in him usually never getting a interview or getting screwed over with very little questions allowed. I guess A-net were the nicest in treating him for a long time with the last HoT interview they allowed him in.

So yea, I know him. I actually like his comedic performance from time to time, but more-so I like how hard he usually fails.

your opinion is your opinion, I don’t agree, but I wont argue, but a thing I must mention, youtube pays ALLOT more than you think, youtubers who gets 100k+ views on everyday video, live very very well – economic wise at least.

not really, youtube pays pathetic prices for content, unless you get into their “partner programm” (sorry, forgot the official term). Maybe Angry Joe is in, no idea, but you are wrong on the general payout part.

Based on the knowns, Angry Joe makes about $9000 to $10,000 a month from Youtube alone, this does not include any income he makes for endorsements.

Knighthonor.4061:

Lol no. I been following GW2 since before it was hyped up. I remember when it was a small page on GW1 wiki….

=D, I remember that as well.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

eisberg.2379:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

At what time does it start in GMT anyway?

7pm

Thanks. So that would be 9pm (21:00) for me since I’m in GMT +2

You are not going to be able to play anyways, you are the forbidden one from playing =P

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

At what time does it start in GMT anyway?

7pm

renown.6235:

I purchased it for this beta weekend. The beta slots show up but when I go to create the character it says I have to upgrade. Has the beta weekend not started yet is that the issue?

oh yeah, the beta weekend has not started yet. It does start at Noon Pacific Time.

Yeah, the expansion is not released yet and that is why you cannot create the revenant yet. Starting sometime today there is a Beta Weekend (BWE) where you can make a revenant then to play on the beta testing server, but it won’t transfer over once the expansion releases, so it is only a temporary character for testing purposes.

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Please note: Our studio — and that means our entire development team — is located in the United States, in the Pacific Time Zone. We work very hard to synchronize as many things as possible, but beta weekend events are best organized around the times that our development team will be able to devote as many hours as possible to testing, in-game observations, forum tracking, feedback reviews, and even possible on-the-fly changes. (The latter is not likely, but it has been known to happen.)

In no way do we want anyone to feel distanced by the hours chosen, and we do apologize if the hours are somewhat inconvenient for someone (although with a test that runs for a couple of days, surely not all hours will prove to be inaccessible ). For practical purposes, the hours selected are the best possible for the team developing this game for you, and we ask for your understanding of that fact.

This is not a preview, early start, or sneak peek. It’s a test. <— said in my Admiral Akbar voice, and if you get the reference, kudos to you!

I wonder though, don’t you guys have weekends off? I am kinda worried about the expansion releasing on a Friday, because if there is any critical stuff that needs fixing asap, a weekend sounds like a time where patching stuff isn’t as easy.

I think it is a safe assumption that they are going to work through the weekend for this beta testing.

Core’s value as been dropped to $0 in value with the expansion. When another expansion releases, HoTs value will also drop to $0. In other words, their business model for expansions is that every expansion will include everything before it, and that new players only have to buy the current expansion to have a paid account.

Lyle.8591:

I have seen several places (though not officially? maybe i’m missing it)
that when you buy a gw2 expansion you get access to “all content”

does that mean that if i buy HoT i will get access to FUTURE expansions? or just previous ones.

what is anet even DOING these days haha oof…

if it’s just previous expansions / the core game that is the worst model… it’s like a microtransaction for a phone game, if you want it now pay up, if you can wait you’ll always get a better value. how silly.

Well, you can either pay for each expansion when they release and enjoy the content while it is new and the community is working on it which tends to give better experiences, but what ever content that is made that is a 1 shot deal. Or you can wait for maybe 10 years (give or take) and just buy the final expansion and get everything at once for 1 low price.

It takes money to make this content and keep everything running. They are just leaving money on the table when they were trying to get all their money from GEM Store only, when there are going to be a massive number of people who would buy an expansion but spent very little in the store. I am hoping they come out with expansions like this more often, say do it every 2 or 3 living story seasons. Guild Wars 2 is already saving me a boat load of money on MMO playing because of the lack of subscription fee, I am more than happy to pay $50 every 1 to 1.5 years for more quality content. I also have no problem with new players coming in and not having to buy the core game, or any previous expansions, as far as I am concerned when a new expansion releases everything before it has a value of $0.

starbuck.8736:

eisberg.2379:

Umiliato.6049:

lukejoe.1592:

The biggest issue for me is that I just think ANET is a company with very few and very poor ideas for where this game is going…looking at you Berzerker spec!

The business model is poor too, for example if they made the expansion 25 a 30 euro’s there would have been less/no qq and the sales would have been high. Now 60% of players is “mad” and probably about 20% is moving on to another game and 20% blindly pre-ordered. I remember not long ago ANet saying, that if they ever did expansion for GW2 at all, it would be priced somewhere along the 10$ range.

I was stoked about HoT, but I’m going to hold off and wait for a sale.
If that sale is not comming within a week or two after HoT release its time to move on to another game!

Actually, 99% of people are happy with HoT and its price, 1% are people who are upset and moving on to other games. See, I can make up statistics too.

Where are you getting those figures from? Clearly not fact.

You clearly have reading comprehension problems. Which explains why you do not even know what Fraud is. Reading comprehension is a weak skill you have.

Ravion Hawk.4736:

eisberg.2379:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

everyone is just so short sighted.

the sales on steam would be extra profit.
the cut will be worth it.

If that was the case, then they would have done it from the word go. ANet know the numbers, we do not. Steam is not the be all and end all of PC gaming. Steam is great from a gamers point of view, but not so much from a business point of view. 30% of each sale an mount up to a lot of money. Just look at the Ultimate edition of HoT. If soemonw got that through steam that’s $30 lost to ANet, that’s all the cost of the digital items. Or more than half of the cost of the discounted Gems at full price.(this bit I’m not sure, as I’m from the UK and don’t know the $ price of gems.)

So if 10 people where to buy it, that’s $300 lost that ANet loses. And that only grows with every sale.

30% is also about the same amount that Amazon, DLGamer, Gamestop, and GameTap charge as well, which Guild Wars 2 and HoT are being sold as authorized dealers. That 30% is about a standard cut, and is still less than than a standard cut for physical versions. On physical versions, publisher/developers only make about 30-40% in revenue.

Seeing as how I maintain my boss’ store front on Amazon, I can tell you that it is NOT 30%.

Amazon gets 12% of each sale.

Is it software sold through Amazon Digital Inc (Which Guild Wars 2 HoT is being sold through on Amazon)? Cause my brother’s company sells software through Amazon Digital Inc, and they take a 30% cut.

zombyturtle.5980:

This is bad news to me. I hate the authenticator, it makes me reverify my account every time, even with the remember this network due to me having a dynamic IP. Its really annoying and now there no avoiding it.

Are you not on an always on internet connection? It is highly unusual for isps to have such a short lease on an IP address for their customers for always on internet. Who is your ISP?

Envy.1679:

I sat in queens dale for an hour and saw around 50. I added each one to my friends list and labeled them as “new 1” “new 2” etc.

Why did you do that?

Acrisor.8097:

vampirem.2065:

I do expect that even HOt become free?

Indeed. HoT will become free in future (or included for free in core game) when next expansion (after HoT) will come. People will always have to buy 1 game, or the latest expansion for 50$.

In other words, everything else (expansions from the past) will be given for free, while the latest expansion will cost 50$ and will be considered full access to the game (with no limitations).

Yup. Though whether they make HoT a part of the F2P accounts is something we do not know. My guess is that all expansions will never be a part of the free accounts.

Shadey Dancer.2907:

eisberg.2379:

Shadey Dancer.2907:

eisberg.2379:

Shadey Dancer.2907:

Played all of GW1 expansions, so GW1 made me want to play GW2.

Here is an interview, with Angry Joe and Colin Johanson that made me cringe at 7.55—8.10 (enough said>>).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5oUKqbIVM

What made you cringe about that? It was Joe asking a very valid question. Joe isn’t the only one that felt Zhatain fight was anti climatic, it was actually a common negative critique about this game.

I agree. Now wind your neck in, it was not a poke at Angry Joe!

I didn’t take it as a poke against Angry Joe. I felt it was strange that you cringed at a valid question.

Ok I,m cringing at this entire post (not the op’s topic). So either your trolling me, or you need it explained, as you clearly do not understand subtlety. It was the answer not the question that had me cringing.

There, thats 15 mins of my life I’ll never see again pffft. I wont be answering again, because frankly, its not worth it!

Then you should have put the time in your post that includes the answer, and not just the question, cause literally the time frame you put in your post was just the question only. Then you didn’t give any information of why you thought it was cringe worthy, other than “enough said”, when in fact it wasn’t enough said, in fact you didn’t say enough at all and gave a completely wrong time frame of the “cringe worthy” segment of the video. Not my fault if you couldn’t communicate the proper information correctly.

Ambush.3251:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBuwFe2Aaxk

This is the perfect build for you (and I currently play it).

Thank you, that build is great and a whole lot of fun. Getting high damage, and longer time in death shroud.

I wasn’t able to afford Superior Strength sigils, so I 5 bought Superior Sigil of Fire and 1 Superior Sigil of Vampirism (for +25 power) instead, I’ll replace them when I can afford them. I only had 45 gold, so I had to spend the least amount possible while staying with at least Exotic. I was able to craft the armor pieces using what I had, but had to buy Vials of Potent Blood so I could use the Mystic forge to convert them into Vials of Powerful Blood for the insignia’s. Using the Mystic forge actually saved me gold a lot of Gold. I had 900 Badges of Honor that I do not know how I got since I do not do WvW, but I was able to buy the 3 weapons (Dagger, Warhorn, and Staff). I used Karma to buy Ascended Amulet and Rings, and then I made 2 exotic ear rings.

After everything was said and done, I ended up spending about 18 gold on getting all of this, where as if I bought everything from the TP it would have cost me at least 2 times that amount if not more.

Shadey Dancer.2907:

eisberg.2379:

Shadey Dancer.2907:

Played all of GW1 expansions, so GW1 made me want to play GW2.

Here is an interview, with Angry Joe and Colin Johanson that made me cringe at 7.55—8.10 (enough said>>).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5oUKqbIVM

What made you cringe about that? It was Joe asking a very valid question. Joe isn’t the only one that felt Zhatain fight was anti climatic, it was actually a common negative critique about this game.

I agree. Now wind your neck in, it was not a poke at Angry Joe!

I didn’t take it as a poke against Angry Joe. I felt it was strange that you cringed at a valid question.

Sylent.3165:

The number your looking for is 28

dude, the number is 42, it is always 42. 42 is the answer to everything =D

sniperman.1738:

There’s this crazy rumor going around that SMS is going to be a future requirement for future guild wars 2 accounts, I know its only a requirement for free to play if you want to mail stuff, but I am hoping that you at Anet are not serious about forcing future gw2 purchasers to use such a feature as SMS. Cause lets get some facts straight not everyone has SMS. Realistically such a thing is not even in logical sense a good idea of forcing onto future players.

SMS, automated phone call, or download an open source authenticator software to your computer linked to your account. So the rumor you are talking about is partially false.

Shadey Dancer.2907:

Played all of GW1 expansions, so GW1 made me want to play GW2.

Here is an interview, with Angry Joe and Colin Johanson that made me cringe at 7.55—8.10 (enough said>>).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5oUKqbIVM

What made you cringe about that? It was Joe asking a very valid question. Joe isn’t the only one that felt Zhatain fight was anti climatic, it was actually a common negative critique about this game.

Astralporing.1957:

Larynx.2453:

The only reason zerker is meta is because ArenaNet is inclusive and not enforcing any requirements.

If they will be enforcing any requirements, it will be towards zerker, not away from it. They have said many times already that they don’t consider zerker meta a problem, quite the opposite, they think it’s a gear for more skilled players (you know, the “greater risk, greater reward” case). And you know what kind of players the raids are made for? Hint: not the unskilled ones.

Going with Zerker is actually easy mode for dungeons and everything else related to PvE in this game, going in with something else other than Zerker actually takes skill and team work to accomplish because nothing dies really fast before it can cause to much damage, which means people need to use their skills to help each other out either through controlling or supporting.

With the raids, they are designing them so you actually need a group of people with a mix of control, support, and damage builds. They didn’t do that with previous PvE content in Guild Wars 2.

Razzier.9156:

Ayrilana.1396:

Razzier.9156:

Ayrilana.1396:

Razzier.9156:

Ayrilana.1396:

Mirta.5029:

eisberg.2379:

They are not selling you the base game again. The expansion would be $50 with or without the base game. The base game has dropped in price to $0 value.

uh, no? That’s if you want a heavily restricted account. You still need to buy the base game if you want restrictions removed and HoT is bundled with the base game. All people are asking for is to be able to purchase HoT without the base bundled in.

The expansion is $50. The core game is not part of that cost. This has been stated by Anet numerous times and is visible on every page of this thread. It’s not difficult to understand. If they offered HoT without the FREE core game for NEW accounts, it would still be $50.

How is not core part of that cost? Why does then Free account type even exist then? Why not just give everyone actual Core Guild Wars 2 for free and just charge for expansion?

For one, Anet says it is not. Also, just because a company offers something for free to new customers does not mean that the costs are being passed on to the customers. The free account exists to assist new players to get into the game rather than pay for bith the core game and the expansion. This has been stated numerous times by Anet and there’s even a blog post dedicated to it. There are many reasons why they are not giving it for free to everyone who buys the expansions.

First you say core game is free then you say free account exist to get new players into game rather then pay for core game and expansion xD Get your fact straight, and what exactly does it mean new players? Define that because I would call myself new player since my character is low level and only small part of world is discovered but i payed for it 3 years ago.

Facts are straight. You’re just new to all of this. Prior to last weekend’s announcement, the core game was free when applied to new accounts. It still is and you get full access when purchasing the expansion. With last weekend’s announcement, the core game is free to everyone with restrictions until they put have the expansion and apply is to that account. New players mean new accounts.

So before telling me to get my facts straight, perhaps you should research all of this first before making absurd claims. It’s evident that you do not know what has been going on since June.

Okey so you saying that once was Free Account type is now changed into Core Guild Wars 2 Account type and if you upgrade you get expansion?

Or you saying Free Account type is NOT same as Core Guild Wars 2 Account because it has its restrictions regarding characters slots, chat,etc…. BUT If you buy expansion you will also get Core Guild Wars 2 Account because ANet is so awesome because you supported game for past 3 years and will remove restriction. While players who already have Core Guild Wars 2 Account won’t benefit anything except expansion because kitten logic right?

Enlighten me.

Core game has been davalued to $0, HoT will be davalued to $0 when the next expansion releases, and that next expansion will be davalued to $0 when the expansion after that releases, and so on. Now a new type of version has been released, something that is even less than core, and that is F2P.

azizul.8469:

hmm.. i thought HoT expansion only come direct from Anet for now ?

For the US, there are 4 additional places someone can buy HoT from, and they are all authorized dealers. The only version that is not available outside of Guildwars2.com is the Ultimate Edition.

Gwalchgwn.1659:

If you already got a code, you “pre-purchased”. “Pre-ordering” means reserving a spot when the game comes out so you can be amongst the first to get it.

Terminology is important here because pre-ordering means you won’t be getting any of the bonus gifts while pre-purchase does.

In your case right now, post above me is correct.

Pre-ordering/Pre-purchasing, to me means the same thing ever since digital distribution became huge and I quit buying games in brick and mortar stores.

But yeah, I already got a code for HoT and applied it to my account, got Beta access as well, and the title. Only missing the extra character slot, in which I did not know what day of the week they awarded that.

Razzier.9156:

Ayrilana.1396:

Razzier.9156:

Ayrilana.1396:

Mirta.5029:

eisberg.2379:

They are not selling you the base game again. The expansion would be $50 with or without the base game. The base game has dropped in price to $0 value.

uh, no? That’s if you want a heavily restricted account. You still need to buy the base game if you want restrictions removed and HoT is bundled with the base game. All people are asking for is to be able to purchase HoT without the base bundled in.

The expansion is $50. The core game is not part of that cost. This has been stated by Anet numerous times and is visible on every page of this thread. It’s not difficult to understand. If they offered HoT without the FREE core game for NEW accounts, it would still be $50.

How is not core part of that cost? Why does then Free account type even exist then? Why not just give everyone actual Core Guild Wars 2 for free and just charge for expansion?

For one, Anet says it is not. Also, just because a company offers something for free to new customers does not mean that the costs are being passed on to the customers. The free account exists to assist new players to get into the game rather than pay for bith the core game and the expansion. This has been stated numerous times by Anet and there’s even a blog post dedicated to it. There are many reasons why they are not giving it for free to everyone who buys the expansions.

First you say core game is free then you say free account exist to get new players into game rather then pay for core game and expansion xD Get your fact straight, and what exactly does it mean new players? Define that because I would call myself new player since my character is low level and only small part of world is discovered but i payed for it 3 years ago.

Well if it takes you that long to get through the game, then don’t buy the expansion and keep on playing core. By the time you would need to enter the expansion area, the expansion would most likely be cheaper anyways, most likely on frequent 50% or 75% sales from an already reduced price point.

But this doesn’t negate the fact that they have devalued core game to $0, and for every expansion in the future all content before it (Core and previous expansions) will be devalued to $0. I and any reasonable person already understood this concept, especially since the game prior to expansion was already devalued to $10, so when expansion is releasing, the game being devalued by another $10 was no big surprise at all.

Rauderi.8706:

eisberg.2379:

lol at all these people pretending to not know who Angry Joe is. I find that when ever someone makes a thread like this about a Youtuber on any forum, that anybody who comes to the thread to say “Who is this person”, or some other remarks in the same vain of “Angry Joes, is that a POI” actually know who that Youtuber is.

I’m not pretending.

I don’t follow those people with dumb pseudonyms.

The closest I come to that is checking out Dulfy’s site, because it’s actually informative instead of farming views for lulz or spiteful criticism.

This is your first post in this thread and it was in response to my post, so when I made my post I wasn’t talking about you.

With that being said, given the content of your post, I am pretty sure you know who Angry Joe is.

Vayne.8563:

eisberg.2379:

lol at all these people pretending to not know who Angry Joe is. I find that when ever someone makes a thread like this about a Youtuber on any forum, that anybody who comes to the thread to say “Who is this person”, or some other remarks in the same vain of “Angry Joes, is that a POI” actually know who that Youtuber is.

Maybe it’s because I’m older, but I really didn’t know. I don’t really hang out on Twitch and I don’t really do You tube much. I tend to read print instead of video. Videos take more time than scanning a written review.

let me ask you this? If you didn’t know who Angry Joe is prior to this thread, would you have come onto this thread just to say “Who is Angry Joe?” or would you have done what any reasonable person who truly does not know who someone is and web search the name? I know I take the reasonable route, and just look up the name to find out who someone is. People kittenpond with “Who is XXXX” in threads like this already know who that person is, they just do not like the person for what ever reason and trying to devalue their popularity.

Razzier.9156:

eisberg.2379:

Razzier.9156:

What i want from ANet is make possibility to buy expansion and base game separate not only in pack and charge them appropriate.

Tell you what, just deal with having just the Core game for now, and then in some unknown years, could be 10 years for all we know, you can buy the last expansion for the game and you will get all the expansions for 1 low price. But like I said, you may have to wait for up to 10 years to get that amazing deal. While the rest of us will continue to play the game, play the content as it is being released and is new which makes for better playing with the community, and not get bent out of shape over something so petty.

If you were not complaining about new players able to buy the game for $10 prior to F2P, then you are a hypocrite for not complaining about the game dropping in price by $50, but apparently it dropping by another $10 gets you bent out of shape.

Again wrong conclusion. I don’t care if game is free 2 play. I said ANet selling expansion and charging me base game again which I already bought is wrong.

They are not selling you the base game again. The expansion would be $50 with or without the base game. The base game has dropped in price to $0 value.

Razzier.9156:

What i want from ANet is make possibility to buy expansion and base game separate not only in pack and charge them appropriate.

Tell you what, just deal with having just the Core game for now, and then in some unknown years, could be 10 years for all we know, you can buy the last expansion for the game and you will get all the expansions for 1 low price. But like I said, you may have to wait for up to 10 years to get that amazing deal. While the rest of us will continue to play the game, play the content as it is being released and is new which makes for better playing with the community, and not get bent out of shape over something so petty.

If you were not complaining about new players able to buy the game for $10 prior to F2P, then you are a hypocrite for not complaining about the game dropping in price by $50, but apparently it dropping by another $10 gets you bent out of shape.

Umiliato.6049:

lukejoe.1592:

The biggest issue for me is that I just think ANET is a company with very few and very poor ideas for where this game is going…looking at you Berzerker spec!

The business model is poor too, for example if they made the expansion 25 a 30 euro’s there would have been less/no qq and the sales would have been high. Now 60% of players is “mad” and probably about 20% is moving on to another game and 20% blindly pre-ordered. I remember not long ago ANet saying, that if they ever did expansion for GW2 at all, it would be priced somewhere along the 10$ range.

I was stoked about HoT, but I’m going to hold off and wait for a sale.
If that sale is not comming within a week or two after HoT release its time to move on to another game!

Actually, 99% of people are happy with HoT and its price, 1% are people who are upset and moving on to other games. See, I can make up statistics too.

lol at all these people pretending to not know who Angry Joe is. I find that when ever someone makes a thread like this about a Youtuber on any forum, that anybody who comes to the thread to say “Who is this person”, or some other remarks in the same vain of “Angry Joes, is that a POI” actually know who that Youtuber is.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

everyone is just so short sighted.

the sales on steam would be extra profit.
the cut will be worth it.

If that was the case, then they would have done it from the word go. ANet know the numbers, we do not. Steam is not the be all and end all of PC gaming. Steam is great from a gamers point of view, but not so much from a business point of view. 30% of each sale an mount up to a lot of money. Just look at the Ultimate edition of HoT. If soemonw got that through steam that’s $30 lost to ANet, that’s all the cost of the digital items. Or more than half of the cost of the discounted Gems at full price.(this bit I’m not sure, as I’m from the UK and don’t know the $ price of gems.)

So if 10 people where to buy it, that’s $300 lost that ANet loses. And that only grows with every sale.

30% is also about the same amount that Amazon, DLGamer, Gamestop, and GameTap charge as well, which Guild Wars 2 and HoT are being sold as authorized dealers. That 30% is about a standard cut, and is still less than than a standard cut for physical versions. On physical versions, publisher/developers only make about 30-40% in revenue.

Aedelric.1287:

I liked his review, but I was a fan of Arena Net and Guild Wars long before it. I have been playing since the start of Guild Wars 1.

Joe gets very excited about games, but I find he has little attention span and quickly runs off to hype the next thing that interests him. I have vague memories of him getting fairly excited about Elder Scrolls Online and we all know how bad that game turned out.

He gave ESO a 5/10. I wouldn’t call that fairly excited.

Bristingr.5034:

Conncept.7638:

Boy is that super convenient for Anet, nope, no way gem store is changing, for sure.

…we need gold to leave the game, not more flow in. Seriously Anet, why?

That isn’t more gold flowing into the economy, it is still less gold in the economy. That restriction is nothing more than making sure free players cannot get get free stuff on the GEM store, they want Free Players to actually have to pay money if they want something on the GEM store.

Slyther.1297:

A friend of mine just downloaded the game because it’s now F2P, and he tells me the button to switch world is greyed out and so he cannot pick mine. He says he got put onto Borlis Pass.

The tooltip on the button implies he’ll get a free world change if he buys the game, but why restrict their choice to begin with?

I had told him which server to join before his download even finished, and it seems he was never presented the option to pick the server he wanted.

Your friend wasn’t paying enough attention. Also, if you are on a full server, he isn’t going to be able to join you anyways for WvW.

Adding a tank with taunting and all, would mean they would need to add dedicated healers as well to target heal the tank taking on the damage. Which would mean they just effectively added the holy trinity into this game which is not what they wanted. So that is why there would not be a tank class in this game. You just can’t have a tank class without having a dedicated healing class to go a long with it.

I ordered the expansion from Amazon last week and entered my code. I am wondering when they award the extra character slot for pre-ordering the expansion?

Fennek.7602:

lioka qiao.8734:

Should someone who buys a product have rights to equity assumed by the change of that product’s price later on as sold to others?

This is what this boils down to.
I bought X 3 years ago for $60. The guy who made X now makes addon Y for X for $45. X is now free with the option to add Y for $45 so that the guy who made X can sell Y easier. Should I have rights to the price difference between X and Y because X is now free?

To assume I should is incredibly greedy. I already got 3 years worth of value out of X. That value was bought and paid for. Now I’m paying for addon Y to X so i can get more value out of X. Someone else may get X for free but I still got more value over the time I had X. I got my time out of X. I shouldn’t care about others getting it for free. Now I’m adding Y to X and I’ll get more use out of it. Y’s value is its own.

Well I paid for X and I got what I paid for, you are right with that. X had a good price, because I got good value out of it. Now they are selling Y. I personally doubt that Y has enough content for me to be as valuable as X, so I think the price should be lower. I bought X for 45€ and they want 42€ for Y. For me that is too much, Y has less than X and therefore should be cheaper (my opinion). In the past I paid money for A, B, C, (Guild Wars 1 business modell) but they had similar content and were priced similar. Then D was a smaller upgrade and the price was smaller too, so I bought D too.

Someone who doesn’t have X, now gets X+Y for a good price. X+Y has good content, I can see how it is worth 42€. Y alone however… This it what it boils down to for me. I am not angry at anyone getting X for free or now buying Y. I just wanted to show that things have different value for different people. As an owner of X, I simply think Y is not worth the asking price. The value of Y is lower than the value of X, but they want almost the same money, so I won’t buy Y. For a lower price I would buy Y, but of course I have no right to get a discount.

What are the last 10 games you bought and how much did you spend on each one? You don’t actually have to answer this, cause I wouldn’t know to believe you or not. But I know a few other people who state the same thing as you, yet I see them buying games for $50 to $60 that have less than 75 hours of content. So yeah, I am having a hard time believing the vast majority of the people who are saying the same things as you are as being nothing more than hypocrites.

Another thing that makes no sense. When the game drops in price by $50, nobody complains that a new player can get the game for $50 less than they did, but when the game drops in price by $60, a mere $10 difference, so man people lose their minds over that. They feel “cheated” because of measly $10.