Guild Wars 2

no. it was early or middle of 2013 around when EMP on JQ broke up and DB became Wagonbrand, IOJ was back when they had hire and ND for ocx and sea coverage.

Straegen.2938:

It is both. Coverage has a greater effect on PPT but prime population imbalances makes for some really not fun fights. Essentially good coverage propels servers into higher tiers where their NA prime is often out manned. So for 2/3 the day it is PvDoor and the other 1/3 day it is barbarians at the gate.

I was on both IOJ and then Dragonbrand when they both got to T1. I know this as well as anyone….

The thing about both those experiences is I saw our off prime population disappear because the T1 coverage of those time zones was too powerful.

Altie.4571:

eithinan.9841:

The other thread is about suggestions for solutions. I wanted to help actually identify the problem.

edit: mods please DO NOT merge this to the other thread. This is a different topic.

No, this is the same topic. Solutions identify problems or target problems. One cannot exist without the other. This thread should be merged.

No, this is tangentially related at best because there is no solution to this central problem with WvW match imbalance. You can NOT find a solution to this problem, ergo not part of that thread.

There is simply not enough Off Primetime population to go around to make matches competitive. Even if they “merged servers” there wouldnt be a big enough Off Prime time population to make more than 1 tier of competitive matches like it is now. The servers that are T1 have LOTS of coverage 24 hours a day, BUT no server is running queues all maps all day everyday or anywhere close. Look at what Mal said on the WvW forums about how much planning and organizing for coverage they did in preparation for this season to fill in the gaps BG had in their coverage. Look at JQ, arguably the king of T1 riding on the back of their monster SEA population. They get it. So does BG, BG specifically went for a Russian team in Season 1 to counter the SEA timezone of JQ.

This is all from looking at PPT and scoring and the whole 24 hour aspect.

Eshady.9146:

Please search before you post. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Solution-to-fix-the-population-imbalance

eithinan.9841:

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I am not advocating for any solution because this is beyond my abilities to solve. But This is the CORE issue

The other thread is about suggestions for solutions. I wanted to help actually identify the problem.

edit: mods please DO NOT merge this to the other thread. This is a different topic.

The issue that causes the unbalancing of WvW is not over all population of a server, but “Off Prime time population”. Whether it be NA servers or EU servers, the matches are almost entirely decided by WvW activity during Off peak hours for whatever region you are in. Whoever can get closest to 24 hour coverage wins, as evidenced by NA T1 and the efforts all servers put in to shoring up weak time zones.

Merging servers would simply induce queues for the NA population of those servers yet would not fundamentally effect their performance with regards to end of week score. “Night Capping” would still be an issue because there is simply not enough Off-prime time WvW players to go around.

I am not advocating for any solution because this is beyond my abilities to solve. But This is the CORE issue when it comes to score and PPT and all things encapsulated in “winning WvW”

Buttercup.5871:

Assuming you have unused/leftover BL kits:

1) Check our TP prices of armor and weapons with good runes/sigils on them.
2) Check out said rune/sigil prices.
3) Place buy orders on items for which the difference between 1) and 2) is considerable.
4) Salvage.
5) Profit.
(6. Craft high level items with left-over dark matter.)
(7. Even more profit.)

Bonus points: salvage things that provide insignia and inscriptions to craft with and save making those high level crafted items.

this one? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/WvW-Titles-3/page/2#post4404803

feel free to post in it. the last post I did was 9 days ago so you wont pull an infraction.

Nimrud.5642:

eithinan.9841:

Inb4 thread closes. remember EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGnH6JPsv7E

I personally was only looking for an advice to understand the obvious changes in the GW2 economy… And the answers I got were all rational/emotionless/factual. Oh well, these are too strict words to describe them, but anyway. No hate-speech/name-calling/cursing was involved. Neither towards the game, nor towards Anet emplyees. Or can something be locked down only due to mentioning undeniable facts?

Dude, everything is awesome!!!

yes they can and will close any thread that they want whenever they want.

Bolita.2071:

Anyone who merely flips one camp and ganks a couple of yaks each week (if they even leave EotM to actually help their server) to qualify for what should should be an exclusive reward will be riding on the coattails of those who dedicate hours and hours in WvW every week to determine what level of goodies these ultra-casuals will get. Monumentally unfair to those who are putting their time in to actually try to win.

In comparison, the long haul AP hunters were at least bodies on the map who could even tip some battles, and time spent in WvW during the tournaments even does win converts.

This. 100% this. where is the “balance”?

Inb4 thread closes. remember EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!!!

EOTM train has this “problem”. Real wvw doesn’t.

Lets get some rewards for defense before we get EOTM train more rewards.

You can always invest in expensive exotics with pricey runes and the possibility of a insignia with the black lion salvage kits.

Ayrilana.1396:

Rauderi.8706:

Ayrilana.1396:

it’s vulnerable to control by a few people willing to exploit it.

What’s been bolded is incorrect.

Anyone can make an unsupported italicized statement.

Actually, I can’t recall if JS made any statements on that, or if he’s allowed to. He could explain theories of value/scarcity much more precisely. With actual numbers. Hm, I should ask.

He has numerous times. There’s even a thread where he posted the transaction history over a couple days for Dusk.

I remember that. Where John Smith showed us the data of 54 dusks sold by 51 different people or something?

I was hoping that there was going to be a overhaul to these with the new feature pack focusing on so many achievements.

dietzero.3514:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

As you can see, it’s a self inflicted problem. Everyone wants the same item (i.e. Dusk), that’s also very limited. Add in the fact that we have a free market where players can determine prices, and you have yourself a rare and expensive commodity. The problem is not Anet’s “lack of Precursors”. It’s the player’s lack of understanding that other Precursors exist, but the hyper focus on two or three force prices up.

The solution is not to increase drop rates just to satisfy these players. The solution is to educate people that there are other options for Legendaries, thus the purpose of this thread.

Stop insulting everyone.

This did not insult me at all. Please stop speaking for “everyone”

My car horn isn’t working, can you get me a can of Beep from the auto parts store?

John Smith.4610:

Attempting to track people manually isn’t effective. If we suspect it’s getting unwieldy we have a numbers of options to make insider traders (and them only) lose large quantities of money. We’ve done this before to destabilize insider trading as an idea and will likely do it again.

My imagination is running wild based off this…

Redenaz.8631:

Just wanted to drop a note saying that eithinan did, indeed, send me five gold when I answered the trivia question.

Thanks, eithinan!

Hey thanks. This is possibly the only positive thing on these forums with my name on it :P

Yes /cheer does something.

Wanze.8410:

eithinan.9841:

Ayrilana.1396:

eithinan.9841:

Ayrilana.1396:

Congrats. Now apply it to this game rather than try to make up some double meaning for the word.

I inflated my balloon

I covered this in one of the other threads. When using inflation for an economic currency, you use the economic definition of it. When you look up the definition for inflation, or inflate, you will see that there’s an economic meaning. That’s the one that is used.

your exact words were

Congrats. Now apply it to this game rather than try to make up some double meaning for the word.

No specification there with having anything to do with economics of gw2.

Ok, is your inflated balloon in any way negatively impacting your or somebody elses game experience or imbalances the economy?

No?

You just established that inflation is not a problem for the game.

So I won???

Ayrilana.1396:

eithinan.9841:

Ayrilana.1396:

Congrats. Now apply it to this game rather than try to make up some double meaning for the word.

I inflated my balloon

I covered this in one of the other threads. When using inflation for an economic currency, you use the economic definition of it. When you look up the definition for inflation, or inflate, you will see that there’s an economic meaning. That’s the one that is used.

your exact words were

Congrats. Now apply it to this game rather than try to make up some double meaning for the word.

No specification there with having anything to do with economics of gw2.

Ayrilana.1396:

Congrats. Now apply it to this game rather than try to make up some double meaning for the word.

I inflated my balloon

Tribio.8531:

It was resetted once when they revamped the AC mastery, but after that you were kittened if you had put your WxP points already in something..
Oh well, once you achieve rank 1150 or so you’ll have all masteries, no worries.. ;-)

1315 + whatever the new golem mastery is.

Redenaz.8631:

I know ectos weren’t special; that’s kinda the point, that they were an uncommon item that gained special importance as a makeshift currency thanks to some advantage. Their advantage over gold in GW1 was that you could use them to trade over the currency limit, while the GW2 version’s advantage would be that you could trade them tax free.

It’s not a perfect comparison, but it’s a good example of a bartering good that mutates into makeshift currency.

#StonesOfJordan 5 gold to the first in game mail i get for identifying the game this was a “currency” in.

YEAH!!! and whats up with linen being 2 times the cost of silk!!!!!!

John Smith.4610:

eekzie.5640:

John Smith.4610:

The TP Issues are technical issues. While they could fixed, it would be time consuming and we feel there are bigger issues we should be putting engineers’ time on.

Couple weeks ago the TP was absolutely flawless and super fast.

Any easy way to get it to be like that again?

Yes. The TP runs on Scotch tape. We put in a nice 25 rolls in that week and it really kicked it up a notch.

In seriousness though we’re constantly working on improving performance and I expect the TP will get better and better over time.

FTFY

@ nightshade, You keep conflating the market and it’s inflation issue with the gem:gold ratio issue. These are 2 completely separate discussions. The only similarity they have is that they use gold as a currency and both are 2 years old by now.

mtpelion.4562:

You can easily get a rare item right now if you opt for a rare item that is less popular.

This is probably the only situation where it is OK to be a hipster.

I’m not a hipster but I got the harpoon gun precursor a long time ago and thought about making the legendary just to be all “yeh I have one but dont need to show it off…”

/skulks to a corner and lights up a cigarette with a 1000 mile stare..

The wheels on the bus go round and round……

Hasn’t this run its course?

Alvain.7364:

It’s a wonder this thread has made it through the recent banhammers.

The last post was not 30 day old.

“Due to the rash of necroposting on this subforum, anybody caught posting in a dead thread will be subject to infractions and possible suspensions from this point forward.
A dead thread is defined as any thread that has not received any posts in more than 30 days.
If you would like to comment on or about a topic that was raised in a dead thread, please either create a new thread or post in an existing thread of the same topic.”

urieldhynne.2743:

They should lower the price of the extractor in the gem store.

I wonder is someone is buying it… Only worth for sigil of generosity… Anet has a strange business model… Repair canister, few skins, useless boost…

blah blah infusions, blah blah working as intended, blah blah STILL no good option to get karma and wvw gear locked sigils and runes…

Anything that can get my runes free I am for at this point. I still think salvaging them is fine and really wouldnt do anything.

Could you possibly add a new “Foxfire Logging Axe” into the gem store similar to the watchwork mining pick. I think this would be a great additional option and really would boost sales. It would make acquiring the foxfire we need a lot easier as well.

Essence Snow.3194:

You are not familiar with the OP then. They have a history of making posts for that purpose and this one falls right in line with them. Please read their post history if you’d like to see for yourself.

I have read Smooth Penguin’s posts in the past and while I may not agree with everything he says all the time. I do agree here and am supporting his statement that the precursor market and the disparity between prices is entirely driven by demand.

But really, Legendaries are simply skins that do not have any impact on game play so it is a luxury item in the purest sense.

Essence Snow.3194:

It was a thread made for the sole purpose of riling up others.

No this is a thread that was to prove with evidence that the general statement of “Precursors are overpriced” was incorrect, which it is. Smooth Penguin is correct. Precursors prices are an effect of supply/demand. Who are these people who got “riled up”? The people who are wrongly stating that “precursor prices are too high”?

I dont get angry or “riled up” when I find out I am wrong about something, I learn from it.

Essence Snow.3194:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

laokoko.7403:

So should I make a new thread called the precursor I want is too expensive.

I fail to understand the point of this discussion.

The whole point to this is that there’s nothing wrong with current Precursor prices. All Precursors have the same drop rate as other Precursors. One you can buy for 90 Gold, the other you can buy for 1,500 Gold. All the complaints about Anet not “fixing” the market come from people who don’t understand the market.

I call bs. Pretty sure everyone that has had any interaction with you on the forums knows the reason behind this thread. I am quite surprised it is still open considering the forum rules claim it isn’t allowed.

I call bs. What exactly has Smooth Penguin done here that is against TOS? He is defending the precursor market with examples to back up what he said.

Has there been any progress on the wvw titles/achievements.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

One additional question that ANet would need to address: if they do decide to add P2P trading to the game (with all the bells & whistles and anti-scam systems), what other features will they have to postpone or never consider for the game?

Great post. I can answer the last question though. They will postpone(HA!) or never consider anything for WvW.

lol I read the patch notes, logged onto my ele who I hadn’t bought a tag for yet and couldn’t activate the commander tag that i had purchased for my guard, reread the patch notes, laughed at Anet.

good troll 8/10 Anet, #slowclap

proviticus.4183:

brainstorming would be a good result from a thread about an “unrealistic suggestion”

For the gold/iron situation perhaps it could be resolved by changing them from gold ores to nuggets, simply to suggest the volume mined is much lower.

In fact, that’s how I’m going to start justifying it in my head. Every time you’re buying an iron ore I’ll imagine a truckload, and every time some gold I’ll imagine a nugget :P

This, however, doesn’t really address silk vs cotton, as they are used to craft the same type of items, and using the same quantities.

In real life cotton is much more abundant than silk.

Jamais vu.5284:

Ultimaistanza.4793:

Ikaros.7812:

atheria.2837:

eithinan.9841:

Here is a serious question. What will be the general feelings from players towards the guilds that have sent in footage?

I am on the side of those who want to send in videos of glitches, incorrect tooltips we count on, cheats, missing items and wrongful WvW associations.

Perhaps someone from the community should compile another WvW promo video, including the jewels that have been removed from this thread along with other little incidents that happen on a daily basis. Release it at the same time Anet release theirs and see how much they differ.

Yeah, it can be a compilation of people fly hacking, people under the map using omegas to break open gates gates, thieves stealthing off walls, people draining structures of supply to build troll siege, people siege capping an area/map with said troll siege, people being rezed through gates, people in EotM telling WvWers to go back to WvW if they want to fight, and end it with the ANet Dev that trolled the GvG.

I’d watch it! Actually we should make our own WvW compilation vid with the things you listed and release it for Gamescom/PAX. Being a “People’s History of WvW” so to say.

LOL, pop it up on youtube with a title like “alternate gw2 pax promo” or something like that.

The juxtaposition between the Real World and on Tyria is that there are no real “rare” materials that can be gathered. you compare iron to gold but on Tyria there are just as many rich gold nodes as there are rich iron nodes to farm, where in the Real World gold has a much more limited supply. Same with silk and cotton even though they are not gatherable.

The funny thing about these threads is noone ever compares Real life woods because noone knows the markets. It truly amuses me that ancient wood(petrified) is higher value than soft and hard woods which are used in construction.

Junkpile.7439:

EU don’t have this kind of problems. Must be some kind of NA thing.

http://www.reddit.com/r/guildrecruitment/comments/2cvpk3/fotm_farmers_of_the_mists_eu_new/

sure you dont.

#wanzesheadexploded

Wanze.8410:

Esplen.3940:

Wanze.8410:

Donari.5237:

I do see a valid point that’s been sidelined in all this: the mail spam limit is ridiculously low. Suppressed on the third set of dyes I send to guildies when I listed dyes in gchat and asked who wanted which ones? A royal pain! I understand the need to throttle gold sellers but as has been noted many times by many people, it’s too harsh when it throttles legitimate interaction. Given that the only way to give something to a friend or guildmate is to mail it, we need to be able to mail it.

Guild Banks, just saying.

Works for guildies, but assuming your friends are in different guilds, you need to be in the guild for 3 days to have access to the bank.

If they were in other guilds they wouldnt see his offer to give away dyes in guild chat anyways.

Nice nit you picked there

Here is a serious question. What will be the general feelings from players towards the guilds that have sent in footage?

Izaya.2906:

And regarding Zaxares comment about 10g a day, I do 20-30g a day purely from dungeon running depending on how much time I have and if other people are online to run with, that doesn’t include selling drops mind you so his example is a conservative number.

Definitely a conservative number. 4.5 gold for simply running AC 1-3 from bonus box. With kill gold and champ boxes easy 5-6 gold of new money per person running it.

Filaha.1678:

Wanze.8410:

I think one of the biggest problems, if item-for-item trade would be implemented, is that it will result in a less efficient economy.

Generally, there are 2 kinds of supply, supply that is listed on the tp for trade and supply in peoples possession. In general, the more of the overall supply is listed on the tp, the more stable the price will be. If there is less supply listed on the tp, prices are more prone to price spikes, for example.

If a decent amount of trading gets done over direct trade between players, the high velocity of the market will also suffer, which is one of the biggest reasons why prices find equilibrium as fast as they do now.

I just dont see how a minor convenience feature for some players would warrant unbalancing the economy.

Evidence?

FF14 and SW:TOR have (or had, last I played SW:TOR) stable economies despite having a player-to-player trading feature.

Do you have evidence that that will happen rather than an assertion that it will despite other games being able to support both?

Last time I logged into swtor the prices were out of control. Diablo 3 is also an example of the market being a mess.

Filaha.1678:

And as asked earlier in the post and further to those questions, if gold sinks are so necessary and shouldn’t possibly be removed because destruction for everyone’s money, why do you think they’re actively removing gold sinks? Since April, they’ve removed repair costs, they’ve removed trait respec costs, and they’ve offered an extra crafting slot for purchase which, if purchased, allows for an extra slot so that you don’t have to pay to switch up to three professions, for examples.

This is the socialist agenda at work. All those different gold sinks that they took out have helped the masses of players who have any amount of gold while the tp 15% targets mostly the wealthy. In their place they put in heal-o-tron to activate the crown pavilion as a gold sink and I am sure we will find a few other examples of event gold sinks in the future.

Lightsbane.9012:

Donari.5237:

Lightsbane, I think you’ve misunderstood the opposition to spam because you’re not seeing any other use for map chat except for trading.

It’s used for idle banter at times, for coordinating zone fights such as in Dry Top, calling out events, asking questions about how to do certain things, finding help with a tricky vista, etc. If all these communications get drowned in constant WTB/WTS yammering, the social game experience suffers. Solution is a Trade Channel, perhaps? No dice, the would-be trader gets spammed away in that specified channel and trots over to the general chat tab to look for commerce and boom, we’re back to the Times Square Ad Blitz.

We don’t want to miss all the social stuff, so turning off the chat is not an option. Far better to not have trade spam in the first place.

i guess i give up at this point. it’s something i want but won’t get

Donari is correct and said it more eloquently than I did and noone cares what you want.