I keep hearing “one shot”, if a mesmer gets you to 10% then you have stood still while he/she dumped 75% of their bar on you. Which would be 8 shot not one.
Pro Tip: Learn to dodge.
ok so you support the type of who one shots who game lol
and this is basically the reason i play thief now cause i dislike medi guard and not the reason i rolled the guard for
no one should win a fight because he got the first opener
i was with my guard 3,025 k toughness and a mesmer took me by surpise and almost one shotted on a capture point ,basically i had just a little hp left just to dodge after it seems shatter damage is too high
i mean so much toughness you should be tanky enough to take a beating
i was wearing knight amulet and rune of speed which has extra vitaly
“took you by surprise”
you do have the lowest health pool so your sustain lies with timing your skills properly
not “oh come spike me, i have 3k + armor”
that’s a warrior’s job
it’s reasonable that a PURE BURST build and spike your LOWEST hp class to ALMOST, but NOT complete dead state
if i was not having that extra vitality i would be dead for sure and i disagree with you no class should be able to one shot another especially when wearing defensive equipment
yeah but that’s not 1 shot, shatter needs at least 3 clones
takes time to set up, and you did say he didn’t kill you immediately
and i am pretty sure guardian can burst down thieves and mesmers with knight runes
in addition with a lot less trade off hence the invuln, block heal
so you say that guardian has more and better utility than mesmer?
only thing that makes massive damage is meditations with zerker gear.
i was with my guard 3,025 k toughness and a mesmer took me by surpise and almost one shotted on a capture point ,basically i had just a little hp left just to dodge after it seems shatter damage is too high
i mean so much toughness you should be tanky enough to take a beating
i was wearing knight amulet and rune of speed which has extra vitaly
“took you by surprise”
you do have the lowest health pool so your sustain lies with timing your skills properly
not “oh come spike me, i have 3k + armor”
that’s a warrior’s job
it’s reasonable that a PURE BURST build and spike your LOWEST hp class to ALMOST, but NOT complete dead state
if i was not having that extra vitality i would be dead for sure and i disagree with you no class should be able to one shot another especially when wearing defensive equipment
i was with my guard 3,025 k toughness and a mesmer took me by surpise and almost one shotted on a capture point ,basically i had just a little hp left just to dodge after it seems shatter damage is too high
i mean so much toughness you should be tanky enough to take a beating
i was wearing knight amulet and rune of speed which has extra vitaly
i agree that game needs more counter play to punish zerking but anet likes damage with defense and healing just being temporary tool and they also like every fight to finish with someone dowoned
fully traited with the same logic guardian virtues are op and must get nerfed.
but i dont mind if they nerf steal and buff thief somewhere else since i dont even use the meta build its for coordinated teams mostly
hello what tactics and build should i use to have a chance vs an engi?
the seem to knock me down root me all the the time and two shotting me effortlessly ?
is there is something i must do against the that i dont know?
seems like even their summons take more beating than me
ok give all classes a skill that is not always useful but once it lands you have a 90% of killing the complete noob
fixed for you
another mesmer that thinks that everyone has to learn to play and everything on mesmer is balanced.
why is mesmer the only class that needs endless tutorials to fight against?
and why only mesmers call people noobs all the time?
why is mesmer the only class that needs endless tutorials to fight against? If you can not learn 2 skills of moa I have bad news for you. and why only mesmers call people noobs all the time
1. because only noobs wine about mesmers and cry how they OP
2. they never played mesmers before
3. when they create a mesmer to become easy at Top10 pvp (as they think) they unexpectedly lose 10/10 matches, delete their mesmers and continue cry at forum
are you schizophrenic?
i did not call mesmer op is said moa bird is an i win button.
give my guardian a skill that turn mesmer weapon into a flamethrower that he cannot use properly and has 60% chance to burn him self and when u die i call you noob.
ok give all classes a skill that is not always useful but once it lands you have a 90% of killing the complete noob
fixed for you
another mesmer that thinks that everyone has to learn to play and everything on mesmer is balanced.
why is mesmer the only class that needs endless tutorials to fight against?
and why only mesmers call people noobs all the time?
Most of times when moa’d I survive the whole duration or I even manage to defeat the mesmer, specially in the middle of a team fight.
What most players end doing is running away when they get moa’d, and that is why you lose.
say what ever you want once it lands its an i win button , outplaying a mesmer for the whole fight suddenly he stealths or switch position or what the hell they do and he wins because he landed a single skill.
give to all classes a skill that turn others into a useless animal and i will be ok.
i know it cant be explained and im not even exaggerating, dont get me wrong i cap points i do crucial kills and i oftenly place in the middle or above score on my team and a lot times first but something makes games turn against me
is anyone else having similar experience ?
the last two weeks have being a dissaster i know i should not care for hotjoins but when you try to win and loose all the time it gets annoying its easier for me to win a solo arena than hotjoin
Sorry,but as a mesmer/s/d thief mains,I QQ alot on the preplexity/dire p/d thieves.Cause thieves cant be avoided like others(pu mesmer for instant).
Condi spam is so OP in this game that wvw meta is almost everything condi.
“counter class”
im new to thief i play condi thief and i cant beat almost anyone besides some faceroll rangers and some beginer mesmers
warriors always one shot me
seriously its up to you ANET to look at this subject closer.
fotm rerollers go fotm for two main reasons.
1) win with less effort possible
2) destroy the game
im tiered of trying to play a hotjoin or a solo arena and 70% of the players being engies and rangers, the people is proven not to change the only one that can change the game is ANET.
stop overpowering classes for bad players because the skilled players roll them too and saddly in gw2 you can roll the new fotm in matter of seconds and requires no effort at all.
mesmers are awesome !
they make the plays and are high risk high reward (talking about 4 4 0 0 6 shatter don’t get strange ideas), master mesmers mechanics and you will really play gw2 pvp to the fullest.
where is the risk when you never die?
Ooh ooh! It’s the guy from the profession balance forums that got torn into small pieces by Rylock and now complains nonstop about mesmers! We’ve been visited by a celebrity.
yeah besides thief who else can kill you?
Warriors, Eles, Necros, some Guardians, other Mesmers, Rangers[Especially with their new pew-pew builds], and a good many decap engis.
rangers are now for the first time equal with mesmers,
facemelters with too much utility and survivability also
See, let me explain to you the difference between yourself and a good player.
Good Player: Gosh, that [mesmer/ranger/other class] is quite strong and [beat/almost beat/destroyed] me. As a result, I’ll [improve/learn/adapt] until I can beat them.
You: Gosh, that [mesmer/ranger/other class] is quite strong and [destroyed] me. As as result, I’ll [go to the forums and complain nonstop].
Source: looked at your posting history. Over the past 5 months, over 90% of your posts have been complaining in one form or another about how you got beaten by someone else.
you know how you get better?
by playing cheesy builds you dont like playing.
isnt it sad that i play glass cannon builds just to be able to kill mesmers?
also most mesmers run glassy builds because they are so effective.
at the end i did not get better i just searched and play a build that manages to kill some of you.
my past qq was about warriors that eventually got nerfed and for the past bugged clone damage mesmers had.
when i find something that is wrong i will qq about it.
but if you like classes being about damage i dont, i think mesmers have potential to be more that being about the insane burst and its my opinion.
I don’t play sPvP, but may I ask which particular shout build you are comparing meditation build to? “SY!” duration is cut by half in sPvP, which I think is a huge down side of running shout build in sPvP.
From my WvW point of view, I still prefer my shout build than my meditation, even though I really love the pokeball guardian build.
at meditations i go full to monks focus next i have 5 radiance 2 at zeal and 1 at virtues with zerker amulet and ogre runes and it explodes people
i never noticed the shortened durations of shouts at spvp i was usually playing full bunker with them full honor/valor was playing like that since launch only to discover lately that being on the offensive side is extremely more effective .
weapons are sword /focus for meditaions the other can be anything
full valor, full honor rest at zeal for damage against burning foes or virtues if u want to use some consecration aim for 3k armor with GS and Staff with shouts very easy build to play with and good too
i use rune of the fighter personally to get some might when using a heal skill
i think either meditations are too powerful or shouts too weak
i dont want to be a selfish dps guardian but this seems to be the best way by far for spvp
i think tactical and defensive play should be stronger for guardian and not just be another kill or be killed class
if the whole idea behind guardians is to have strong support how come meditations are so much more powerful and effective?
mesmers are awesome !
they make the plays and are high risk high reward (talking about 4 4 0 0 6 shatter don’t get strange ideas), master mesmers mechanics and you will really play gw2 pvp to the fullest.
where is the risk when you never die?
Ooh ooh! It’s the guy from the profession balance forums that got torn into small pieces by Rylock and now complains nonstop about mesmers! We’ve been visited by a celebrity.
yeah besides thief who else can kill you?
Warriors, Eles, Necros, some Guardians, other Mesmers, Rangers[Especially with their new pew-pew builds], and a good many decap engis.
rangers are now for the first time equal with mesmers,
facemelters with too much utility and survivability also
mesmers are awesome !
they make the plays and are high risk high reward (talking about 4 4 0 0 6 shatter don’t get strange ideas), master mesmers mechanics and you will really play gw2 pvp to the fullest.
where is the risk when you never die?
Ooh ooh! It’s the guy from the profession balance forums that got torn into small pieces by Rylock and now complains nonstop about mesmers! We’ve been visited by a celebrity.
mesmers are awesome !
they make the plays and are high risk high reward (talking about 4 4 0 0 6 shatter don’t get strange ideas), master mesmers mechanics and you will really play gw2 pvp to the fullest.
well maybe it was my fault for sticking with guardian meditations are powerful but very predictable
signets for cc not very useful (almost no body uses them)
and i was bored to play bunker all the time
with my new character thief its a lot less painful to deal with mesmers i dont say i beat them all but i have a lot more tools to counter them and im still learning the class
easy was to escape, stun locks and cc, aplyind debuffs so easy and so fast and a tone of damage, impossible to run from since clones chase you everywhere, its totally op at the right hands.
was the idea of mesmers to explode people?
and can you catch them if they want to escape ? no.
whats worst is 2-3 mesmers filling the screen with clones and shatters
its a l2p issue when you cannot react to absolutely anything?
It’s a l2p issue when you apparently stand around doing nothing.
Also, this is the english forum.
i can be sarcastic behind a pc screen too carighan, but i choose to never speak to you again .
easy ways to escape, stun locks and cc, aplyind debuffs so easy and so fast and a tone of damage, impossible to run from since clones chase you everywhere, its totally op at the right hands.
was the idea of mesmers to explode people?
and can you catch them if they want to escape ? no.
whats worst is 2-3 mesmers filling the screen with clones and shatters
its a l2p issue when you cannot react to absolutely anything?
A pretty basic Altruistic Healing build. I guess the major chance to the standard is that I prefer the Shield. It doesn’t do a lot of damage but can take quite a beating and helps your allies kill someone. I mostly do point-defense on my own, so this is perfect.
first of all thanks for the replies and now to the subject:
doesnt a class that you have to roll and play countless hours just to understand how it works so you stand a chance of beating them with the class that you actually like playing sound paranoid to you?
with other classes its obvious you can calculate your counters for example you see a thief you pop a retaliation combo and be ready , with warrior you go toe to toe with mesmer you have to roll one and learn every single mechanic and countless explanations just to stand a chance?
sorry but this sounds insanely op.
i hate the style of mesmers and im absolutely not going to spend my time playing one lol.
You… as a dps guard…. lost to a Mezzy? Lololroflrofl. Outplayed.
But seriously, Mesmer has some very unique skills and mechanics. If you are having problems with them I suggest rolling a mes and getting to know what it does. There are so many natural counters to a mes.
Chances are he was running a 4/4/0/0/6, at a high skill this build can wreck the most havoc. Give it a whirl, you’ll learn exactly how to beat him.
its impossible you get near him he pushes you back you root him he dissapears and kills you with stuns and bleeds too much mobilty, control and damage
i’ve never seen it happen in soloQ unless the mesmer player was clearly outskilling the rest or his team was peeling off for him really well.
also say the word “thief” near a mesmer and ask them if they feel OP while they are looking around with crazed eyes shouting “where is it!? where is it!?”
thief does not have the endless offensive pressure of mesmer
i dont know what build it is i was trying to attack one today he was swapping positions keeping me locked bleeding and shattering and was killing me in a matter of seconds without being able to do anything, i then went spectator mode and he was actually doing this to everybody he was finishing the matches with points way above the rest and obviously did not die once.
i think mesmer has too much offense choices for the insane utility it has
i play hybrid/dps guardian and i did not even felt humiliated because they are so broken you cant even do anything.
indeed guardians are not an spvp reliable class:
lowest hp in the game , no mobilty , no cc, easiest target in game
we are awesome at dungeons but that a different subject
skills like mace protectors strike hitting like a pillow even though it should of being our anti faceroll skill against those who burst you mindlessly its just scratches them
there is no way to turn the tables with guardian
let’s see, highest armor in the game, highest heal potential in the game, most “reset buttons” in the game (how many times it happens you burst a guardian with all you have and 2 sec later hes full hp bvs he popped a virtue and some boons?) and no cc? You have the furtheste knockbakc in teh game, you have groundtargetted cc that can repeatedly AOE knockdown a groupfight, you have immobilize, you have a pull, you have a lauch from shield. Mace is your defensive weaponset, ofcourse it doesn’t hit much. And regarding the no damage, a medi guard can reck almost any class that is unprepared.
highest armor with the lowest hp make the calculation ,meditations also a one trick pony style and
yes we have a cc that knocks everybody down because stability is not like up all the time in a group fight right?
and who on earth does spvp unprepared? explain me what you mean by that?
seems you wanna argue just to argue.
indeed guardians are not an spvp reliable class:
lowest hp in the game , no mobilty , no cc, easiest target in game
we are awesome at dungeons but that a different subject
skills like mace protectors strike hitting like a pillow even though it should of being our anti faceroll skill against those who burst you mindlessly its just scratches them
there is no way to turn the tables with guardian
reason i stopped playing is the lack of trinity and there is nothing wrong with quests in mmos although the heart system might be better.
generally i think they broke some traditional stuff that did not need fixing .
i like being able to jump on my dps/farmer on my healer and on my tank whenever i feel like to really experience a game differently, trinity gives so much more blend and possibilities in a game in my opinion.
still gw2 is a great game in terms of optimization and functionality (servers almost never go down and no maintenance which is awesome)
but i realized its not a fulfilling game for me.
There’s no reason for stupidly gimmicky map like this in tPVP. Why do game devs think that they know better than the majority of the playerbase who also hate the map? Or are they just being stubborn because they don’t want to imagine that those hours that went into making this map weren’t wasted?
the game lacks a lot combat elements ,you cant play as a tank you cant play as a healer with only special mechanic being stealth and teleport , so they try to fill the gaps with weird environment gameplay otherwise it would be about who bursts who.
i bet they will add more weird maps in the future.
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(unless you take mantra of concentration)