Guild Wars 2

Pvt Frosty.6973:

Hey,

so a dev once posted that you get a little of the lost rating back every game you play (you should notice that the games you win award you more points and the games you loose will cost you less points, usually around 15-20 for a win and 5-7 for a loss, depending on how long you have decayed for.).

However, we also noticed that if you’ve not played for a while, queue up a few now and wait a day, your team will jump 100 odd points over night :/ (again depending on how much your team has decayed)

OK thank you

Ok so I and my guild mates havent been doing the Guild Leader board for a month. Exact dates are 3-16-16 and then we did 4 matches today.

Before the decay we had a guild rating around 1,400.We won all 4 matches, i am in legendary status. Does anyone know the amount of matches we have to play to get back our old rating? Also does our new matches go into that rating or just as matches to regain our old rating?

Thank you for any information

Chaith.8256:

kdaddy.5431:

I didnt like the fact that alot of people here felt that there needed to be a rematch. It takes away the point from actually having the season.

Vermillion should report there potential complaint and everyone should wait for the decision.

Now my potential name calling isnt towards the individuals necessarily but its towards this kid like attitude towards what a Pro Season for Guild Wars 2 is.

You have to admit without even knowing details, people are leaving teams left and right in the middle of seasons, changing teams at the end of the season to upgrade a certain class, unable to get 5 players to a match, and for me this thread was just another cry thread. Now i i can the potential problems and i can address that something might have happened.

But overall you have to admit, GW2 Pro Leagues have been wish washy with terrible metas, terrible rules due to broken classes and the players jumping off ship and/or kicked off for no real reason other then there is drama.

How can you not say anything when you have so many “huh” things to say about 2-3 teams from NA and EU in each season and yet no rules come out to actually hold the players and teams accountable?

Your stances on the disconnect issues make me say “huh”.

You didn’t like that a lot of people didn’t want the most make or break match of the season to be decided by external factors outside their playing ability? It’s being investigated for foul play. What’s to love about that potentially tainting the PL results?

If the removal/exchange of players, as determined by the teams is gonna harm the pro league, I think ESL should enforce stricter rules. I don’t think it does at all though, i think the betrayal/defection of players would add to the appeal of any scene.

Im all for Anet/ESl admins saying there has to be a rematch due to outside interference’s. I simply just dont like people saying there has to be rematch when it potentially could just be a dc.

Now the drama from players leaving etc etc. Thats great entertainment if there is 2 things.

1- The shoutcasters give the play by play on whats happened.

2- If these players are traded and not just kicked

Its not fair form players to get straight kicked from teams because a better option popped up and now you dont have a team and no other team potentially wants you.

You might say it gives the current teams the best chance to win and therefore better matches in the Pro league.

I would disagree though, you obviously see the difference between even the top 5 teams in NA and EU. And the roster changes from EZ PZ LS and Spookie.

There has to be a better roster situation them simply 2 of the better players from ORNG going to TCG and then ORNG picking up randoms.

I know you know this has a huge effect on the Pro League teams. Teams like yours Astral formerly known as the Abjured, Final Form, Team PZ. You guys have been together for awhile an you can see the difference.

These other teams players are dropping left and right and each time its happens the team takes 1-2 steps back while these teams who have stayed together are getting baby steps better.

In the case of the TCG, they are getting 2 former players who are better and this will become a better team imo if this is true. The new ORNG will look and play the new Spookie.

You being involved with the scene probably here the small details everyone elses misses. So you can understand but no one like seeing 3-4 teams beat the other 4 teams 500-100 and not understand why 2-3 of the main roster players play for 1-2 different teams and the shout casters not explain why.

I didnt like the fact that alot of people here felt that there needed to be a rematch. It takes away the point from actually having the season.

Vermillion should report there potential complaint and everyone should wait for the decision.

Now my potential name calling isnt towards the individuals necessarily but its towards this kid like attitude towards what a Pro Season for Guild Wars 2 is.

You have to admit without even knowing details, people are leaving teams left and right in the middle of seasons, changing teams at the end of the season to upgrade a certain class, unable to get 5 players to a match, and for me this thread was just another cry thread. Now i i can the potential problems and i can address that something might have happened.

But overall you have to admit, GW2 Pro Leagues have been wish washy with terrible metas, terrible rules due to broken classes and the players jumping off ship and/or kicked off for no real reason other then there is drama.

How can you not say anything when you have so many “huh” things to say about 2-3 teams from NA and EU in each season and yet no rules come out to actually hold the players and teams accountable?

jessiestiles.9437:

kdaddy.5431:

jessiestiles.9437:

kdaddy.5431:

That is a different issue, i was relating a issue with dc in the match.

Not cheating, i watched the matches and this seemed to be the only match with this problem. Also if you have any issue you would just like any competitive scene take it to a official to go under review. I wasnt going to assume it was a attack but took it from a literal perspective.

The reason for thinking it was more than internet issues is you can see Frosty’s internet is fine before the game and during the first 3 minutes and for a long time after the game. It was only those 8 minutes or so in both games that his internet becomes completely unusable. It occured at almost the same point on the timer in both games. So there’s a clear pattern here. TCG was probably going to lose in both games. There’s your motive. Unless we are given evidence to the contrary it looks very much like sabotage.

I understand that but once again you dont get to decide that. Vermillion looked like they were going to win both matches until it happened.

First few things you have to say

1- Does TCG have a history of this happening?
2- Does this player have a history of internet complications?
3- Does the ESL league have the ability to look into what potentially happened as well as Anet?

Everyone is coming on here saying they “have” to replay when you can almost guarantee that the power above have looked into the situation. If they see it as a lets move on, you have to go off of that.

Making accusations and conspiracy theories because people dont like a team/players/ PvP system isnt how things work.

1. We don’t know that TCG did this. It could have been anyone.
2. We can see from Frostball’s POV video there was no internet problem before or after the match. That’s a pretty discriminating internet connection if that was the case. His immediate reaction was it is a DDOS attack. Someone with a tempremental internet connection would probably blame their internet first.
3. As I understand it currently proof is being sought from the isp.

Look at the big picture and consider future games where people in the audience can decide the outcome of a match. You’ve also seen the lengths people go to for digital rewards so we can imagine what someone would do for $50000. Pretty much anything. In a professional sport this would be taken very seriously and safegaurds would be put in place to prevent it because it would kitten off players and spectators. As a fanatical sports enthusiast I’d think you’d want to discuss rationally instead of calling people children and conspiracy theorists.

Of course, my comment and the generalization of the GW2 community comes from the many different threads not just this one in particular.

People in here are discussing and asking for a potential rematch, others are crying and demanding.

Im also pointing out the drama that goes on behind the ESL scene which is leaked onto the forum. When the play by play guys talk so and so player formerly of X team and formerly of another X team and on his new team.

I mean people come onto the forum just to post OE or Helseth vidoes from twitch screaming about the ESL roster issues there are.

You grow up playing sports with people you dont necessarily like but you put the time in, work hard, and go threw the journey.

IN ESL season 1, ESL season 2 now. You having players leave teams over disputes, players being kicked off the team for other players, and potentially switching teams because the current team has no chance and will replace players on a team that probably dont want to leave. This is happening during the season, 3-4-5 games in.

What else would you call it? If we are just gonna be general fine yes, its random acts of potential video game attitudes.

But if you were to pick apart what is ultimately wrong with Pro Leagues and GW2 elitel players. You can start with the amount of panic players have over something that might have happened such as a ddos when we are not sure. Then the amount of teams and players switching during a actual season.

This just feeds fuel to those who say this game will never really be esports and hurts the players who truly enjoy this game and probably wish this could get to the level of a LOL or DOTA.

Phil.8901:

I dunno if it’s worst this DDoS on a Pro League match or the fact ORng Logo disbanded and Rom and Dainshee joined TCG (WTF??)

Something really weird is happening in this Season and the fact People can do this (I mean DDoS and kittening games or disband teams during season and join other teams) is an absolute joke.

It’s really impossible for a pvp scene grows in these conditions.

You know whats hilarious about this (if its true, i dont follow to closely just occasionally watched ESL games when out with the kids and ill check it out on my phone)

There was a huge thread about OE being kicked from Apex and i others made comments about the actual infrastructure of these teams.

ESL players came to the defense of certain things but once again just like this thread. People are looking for the easiest way in/out and these are not real teams and its not a real Pro league.

I know there isnt contracts and im not sure what ESL rules and other things are involved. But even as a H.S school athlete there were serious rules about transfers, eligibility among other things. Even when you go into semi-pro stuff or try to red shirt into college sports.

Here in GW2 its almost like kids playing and 1 says i dont like you anymore or i want to be on the winning team. So things just change, like spookie and the caed thing. OE and Apex etc etc etc

Everyone has there points about each topic but im really just trying to point out that the GW2 ESL league isnt very professional, the people in it/watching act more like children and to cap it off Anet/ESL league need to do a better job of setting up rules and regulations for actual structured teams. All of which is my opinion.

I disagree with some like necro struggling against Dh but this is your own personal opinion hopefully based on your own matches. I do disagree with a few of these though.

Ohhh i will fill in warrior on equal skill level.

Warriors struggles vs every class

jessiestiles.9437:

kdaddy.5431:

That is a different issue, i was relating a issue with dc in the match.

Not cheating, i watched the matches and this seemed to be the only match with this problem. Also if you have any issue you would just like any competitive scene take it to a official to go under review. I wasnt going to assume it was a attack but took it from a literal perspective.

The reason for thinking it was more than internet issues is you can see Frosty’s internet is fine before the game and during the first 3 minutes and for a long time after the game. It was only those 8 minutes or so in both games that his internet becomes completely unusable. It occured at almost the same point on the timer in both games. So there’s a clear pattern here. TCG was probably going to lose in both games. There’s your motive. Unless we are given evidence to the contrary it looks very much like sabotage.

I understand that but once again you dont get to decide that. Vermillion looked like they were going to win both matches until it happened.

First few things you have to say

1- Does TCG have a history of this happening?
2- Does this player have a history of internet complications?
3- Does the ESL league have the ability to look into what potentially happened as well as Anet?

Everyone is coming on here saying they “have” to replay when you can almost guarantee that the power above have looked into the situation. If they see it as a lets move on, you have to go off of that.

Making accusations and conspiracy theories because people dont like a team/players/ PvP system isnt how things work.

thank you,

kind of sucks they did that

Argilla.8340:

kdaddy.5431:

Faux Play.6104:

Injury is a poor analogy for this. It is more like someone from the stands coming into the field of play, tackling the player and not letting them play while the game goes on with no stoppage. I’m not sure any professional would want to compete in that type of environment.

kdaddy.5431:

suffish.4150:

With what happened in the vermillion vs. TCG match last night, I felt that I absolutely had to post in a thread like this because I am just unable to get over how much of a bad decision it was to just let that match carry on with the constant disconnects that vm had. If the result of that match stands then season 2 of the pro league is absolutely ruined for me, because that was the absolute most important series of the EU pro league when It comes to finals qualification and it was decided by a dc. Absolutely terrible. I really hope that the match is replayed at a later date. if they won’t let it happen with a different meta, then there is still next week to play it, have 6 games that week, I really don’t care. It will be a huge mistake for that match not to be replayed. If TCG win it as a 5v5 that is fine, but just don’t let a dc decide the most important game of the entire EU pro league.

Sorry if that sounded like me raging, but I needed to post something like that just to get rid of all the frustration I feel about that match. As for the OP, I think that having a 6th player in the match as a spectator would really help because it would limit the impact of a disconnect and allow matches to be fair which can only be a positive thing. If that is not allowed then I think that there should just be a reset of the game no matter when in the game it happens (maybe unless one team has more than a 200 point lead or something) and then if another dc happens then I think that the remainder of the series should be played on another week (keep it at 1-0 or 1-1 if those games were fine). It just stops me from enjoying the pro league if games are decided by disconnects so I hope the rules are changed.

A few things,

What professional sport eve allows for replayed matches?

Vermillion had a chance to grab a sub to jump in but they didnt have one available so what if this happened again in the next match?

As anyone who has ever played a sport said, you take it one game at a time. Injuries (dcs) happen and you live threw it and move on. No one owes anyone a rematch and no one should have a player watching in spectate mode.

If they can create a sit room where the player sees nothing and then ok im with you on a sub. Otherwise like any team in any sport trying to make the playoffs, you take it on the chin.

No its not

A person coming from the stands stops play for 5-15 min and the players go on as if nothing happened. The only thing that might change is the momentum and in the moment adrenaline.

I injury is a unexpected event which can dramatically change a person game/career.

This is esports so its a bunch of people sitting on computer and they will come back the next week. Losing a internet connection is the same as a player having a injury. Depending on how long the dc is, the amount of time missed, the teams ability to deal with the time loss of that player.

Its the exact same thing, there is so much that can be said. You got people crying here because of trash talking. Please stop that, if you do anything competitively you are gonna talk smack vs the person you are playing.

You got people talking rematch, you play when you are suppose to play. Apex/ zero counter play last year couldnt come up with 5 players so they had to forfeit. Vermillion couldnt get 5 players who could show up and people are asking for a rematch. WHAT?

I know this is a new generation of everything has to be fair and equal and we should all play nice with one another which is great for in game play.

This is supposed to be the PRO LEAGUES. These are suppose to be the best players on the best teams. Playing on the days they are scheduled, real talk. I was in a summer sponsored bball game. Between 32 teams, double elimination and in the first match the team we were suppose to play bus broke down and couldnt make the first match.

Guess what we didnt wait for them, please if we are gonna call this PRO LEAGUES can pretend that the word PRO stands for PROFESSIONAL?

We had 5 players, but one of us got ddos’d right after the 2minute mark, so whoever did it knows the ESL rules, get your facts straight before you say something.

Also if you rewatch vods there is a pattern of the dc’s, really easy to figure out

That is a different issue, i was relating a issue with dc in the match.

Not cheating, i watched the matches and this seemed to be the only match with this problem. Also if you have any issue you would just like any competitive scene take it to a official to go under review. I wasnt going to assume it was a attack but took it from a literal perspective.

did they take the spirits ability to run with you? i cant seem to find it, natures vengeance under natures magic spec line is is there but i cant find the trait to make them move.

Faux Play.6104:

Injury is a poor analogy for this. It is more like someone from the stands coming into the field of play, tackling the player and not letting them play while the game goes on with no stoppage. I’m not sure any professional would want to compete in that type of environment.

kdaddy.5431:

suffish.4150:

With what happened in the vermillion vs. TCG match last night, I felt that I absolutely had to post in a thread like this because I am just unable to get over how much of a bad decision it was to just let that match carry on with the constant disconnects that vm had. If the result of that match stands then season 2 of the pro league is absolutely ruined for me, because that was the absolute most important series of the EU pro league when It comes to finals qualification and it was decided by a dc. Absolutely terrible. I really hope that the match is replayed at a later date. if they won’t let it happen with a different meta, then there is still next week to play it, have 6 games that week, I really don’t care. It will be a huge mistake for that match not to be replayed. If TCG win it as a 5v5 that is fine, but just don’t let a dc decide the most important game of the entire EU pro league.

Sorry if that sounded like me raging, but I needed to post something like that just to get rid of all the frustration I feel about that match. As for the OP, I think that having a 6th player in the match as a spectator would really help because it would limit the impact of a disconnect and allow matches to be fair which can only be a positive thing. If that is not allowed then I think that there should just be a reset of the game no matter when in the game it happens (maybe unless one team has more than a 200 point lead or something) and then if another dc happens then I think that the remainder of the series should be played on another week (keep it at 1-0 or 1-1 if those games were fine). It just stops me from enjoying the pro league if games are decided by disconnects so I hope the rules are changed.

A few things,

What professional sport eve allows for replayed matches?

Vermillion had a chance to grab a sub to jump in but they didnt have one available so what if this happened again in the next match?

As anyone who has ever played a sport said, you take it one game at a time. Injuries (dcs) happen and you live threw it and move on. No one owes anyone a rematch and no one should have a player watching in spectate mode.

If they can create a sit room where the player sees nothing and then ok im with you on a sub. Otherwise like any team in any sport trying to make the playoffs, you take it on the chin.

No its not

A person coming from the stands stops play for 5-15 min and the players go on as if nothing happened. The only thing that might change is the momentum and in the moment adrenaline.

I injury is a unexpected event which can dramatically change a person game/career.

This is esports so its a bunch of people sitting on computer and they will come back the next week. Losing a internet connection is the same as a player having a injury. Depending on how long the dc is, the amount of time missed, the teams ability to deal with the time loss of that player.

Its the exact same thing, there is so much that can be said. You got people crying here because of trash talking. Please stop that, if you do anything competitively you are gonna talk smack vs the person you are playing.

You got people talking rematch, you play when you are suppose to play. Apex/ zero counter play last year couldnt come up with 5 players so they had to forfeit. Vermillion couldnt get 5 players who could show up and people are asking for a rematch. WHAT?

I know this is a new generation of everything has to be fair and equal and we should all play nice with one another which is great for in game play.

This is supposed to be the PRO LEAGUES. These are suppose to be the best players on the best teams. Playing on the days they are scheduled, real talk. I was in a summer sponsored bball game. Between 32 teams, double elimination and in the first match the team we were suppose to play bus broke down and couldnt make the first match.

Guess what we didnt wait for them, please if we are gonna call this PRO LEAGUES can pretend that the word PRO stands for PROFESSIONAL?

I have to disagree with your spec vs trait comment. All the builds before were the same as well it didnt change with the specs.

Eles were running 0-0-2-6-6 or 2-0-0-6-6. If you wanted fresh air it was 0-6-2-6-4

This went for every class. There was always 1-2 builds, even after this patch it opened up so many more potential builds since they raised the condi pressure. You started seeing burn guardians/ medi dps/bunker guardian. You saw shoutbow/dps rampage, you saw conjure weapons, d/d, fresh air, staff eles.

Depending what what the team wanted that player to do though there was always 1 APEX build.

Also id like to point out you are asking for anet to completely go over everything in the game which i doubt and company would do. They want people to buy HOT so maing core builds viable probably isnt in there vision for the game. Also having 6 out of 9 classes being used is probably a good thing to them.

Think about it, other ESports games like LOL and DOTA have hundreds of champions but you can dumb it down to maybe 20 or less in use. In GW2 66% of the classes are visible at elite level play.

I dont know when you quit but before HOT warriors always had a build. Recently it was shout bow and dps rampage warriors, before that it was hambow. Even back when spirit rangers, dps thieves and turret engys were running rapid.

Warriors could still use a banner with 2 stances which was the regen warrior which was back in bunker wars 1.

Atm warrior is by far the worst class. Many like myself try to push threw it and come up with unique builds that have success vs low level-mid level players. Yet when it comes to good level play and higher warrior is almost completely ineffective.

Ill give a example, i was on a 5 game winning steak. I had played 2 games with this thief named dustinnn with the account name of booms. He was incredibly good and i decided to run far when we were not winning mid. I cant with this fight vs a necro but i knew this thief would come plus 1 it. So i get downed and the thief comes out of no where and stuns back stabs the necro drops and kills him.

The next match hes on the other team and i tell the necros and rev on the team hes good watch him. He went on to win his 1 vs 1 vs them and plus 1 fights. The team lost the match and 1 player blamed me for it.

This is just a ranked game in t7 of diamond. Dustinnn, me and 1 other person was diamond and the rest were legendary.

What i was trying to say is thief is hard countered by DH and rev. Against every other class though he can still have a huge impact on matches.

As a warrior you have to play a 1 vs 1 condi roamer which you will lose to a condi mesmer, rev, necro, scrapper and will not beat a ele. If you are a high level player you will lose to any other class of equal ability.

If you play gun flame like i have recently, you will not do enough damage to change the outcomes of fights in equal number fights since you need other players to sustain for you to dps while necro, rev, scrapper will do almost as much damage and still be in the middle of that fight and have the sustain to take the hits you deliver.

So to answer your question you can have success on warrior if you are mechanically better and are better at understanding what will win you the fight and them not being able to not adapt to what you are doing.

No matter what you decide to do just try to have fun.

Raek.8504:

kdaddy.5431:

Just to give my 2 cents

TCG did what they were supposed to do. If we are playing football/basketball/baseball and your best player gets injured and go on. No one stops to say hey its not fair.

No one said last year in the NBA finals, hey cavs its ok we will wait for kevin love and Irving to get healthy so we can play. TCG did what they needed to do and i prefer the decision they made.

On one of the posts, you said have 1 player in spectate mode. I disagree since thats another pair of eyes to watch and chat on rotations, cant have that. Obviously they took a break to find a sub which they did not have. Once again that comes down to a roster issue which many of these video game ESPORTS have issues with.

As i know most of games have Pause mode.

In real sport injured player gets replaced.

Thou you tried to make a point.

I dont know how other esport games go maybe they are different rules.

In real sports a player does substitute but when a starter for instance like Vermillions top 5 player dc. It takes alot out, for instance a star player in basketball goes down. The team doesnt make it to the expected goal.

Kevin garnett in boston won a championship, got hurt the next year and team lost in semi. Then he came back and they got back to the finals.

Vermillion lost a player a player you cant replace. In HS the team i was on was projected as a top team in the state and potential nation. I had surgery before the season started and the best player tore his MCL. This was both our senior years. The team won 2 games after we went to states the previous year. We both had scholarships for playing in college taken away.

The dc Vermillion had was a game changing and potentially season changing. I might be a little to old being in my 30’s but to me this is what being part of a real competitive scene is.

Lordrosicky.5813:

kdaddy.5431:

Just to give my 2 cents

TCG did what they were supposed to do. If we are playing football/basketball/baseball and your best player gets injured and go on. No one stops to say hey its not fair.

No one said last year in the NBA finals, hey cavs its ok we will wait for kevin love and Irving to get healthy so we can play. TCG did what they needed to do and i prefer the decision they made.

On one of the posts, you said have 1 player in spectate mode. I disagree since thats another pair of eyes to watch and chat on rotations, cant have that. Obviously they took a break to find a sub which they did not have. Once again that comes down to a roster issue which many of these video game ESPORTS have issues with.

Any expecting helseth or those followers of his to have to sportsmanship to afk during a game are deluded and cant of interacted with them much in game. The french guys in his team have made repeated racist comments in gw2 pvp chat before with no punishment. Helseth himself basically has the role of gw2 bully and is lauded by anet who apparently support his type of behavior which involves demeaning and abusing anyone he interacts with on gw2.

So yeh. Anyone thinking these people would play fair are hilarious. Not going to happen

Even so thats what they do and i wont comment on that.

Im only commenting from the competitive PRO league aspect.

Lets just say we are on a team and we are competing and the other team has a dc. We could be respectful stand out guys. I would still say no we have to take this. In game chat would look like “sorry for your dc” but i would do the same thing.

If your playing for a state,district, national championship, world championship you have to go for it. In MMA if you see a guys eye is swollen, your going to attack him on that side of the eye.

Thats just how it goes sometimes, now TCG kind of being the thugs of EU. Every PRO scene needs it villains so i guess that what it is.

suffish.4150:

With what happened in the vermillion vs. TCG match last night, I felt that I absolutely had to post in a thread like this because I am just unable to get over how much of a bad decision it was to just let that match carry on with the constant disconnects that vm had. If the result of that match stands then season 2 of the pro league is absolutely ruined for me, because that was the absolute most important series of the EU pro league when It comes to finals qualification and it was decided by a dc. Absolutely terrible. I really hope that the match is replayed at a later date. if they won’t let it happen with a different meta, then there is still next week to play it, have 6 games that week, I really don’t care. It will be a huge mistake for that match not to be replayed. If TCG win it as a 5v5 that is fine, but just don’t let a dc decide the most important game of the entire EU pro league.

Sorry if that sounded like me raging, but I needed to post something like that just to get rid of all the frustration I feel about that match. As for the OP, I think that having a 6th player in the match as a spectator would really help because it would limit the impact of a disconnect and allow matches to be fair which can only be a positive thing. If that is not allowed then I think that there should just be a reset of the game no matter when in the game it happens (maybe unless one team has more than a 200 point lead or something) and then if another dc happens then I think that the remainder of the series should be played on another week (keep it at 1-0 or 1-1 if those games were fine). It just stops me from enjoying the pro league if games are decided by disconnects so I hope the rules are changed.

A few things,

What professional sport eve allows for replayed matches?

Vermillion had a chance to grab a sub to jump in but they didnt have one available so what if this happened again in the next match?

As anyone who has ever played a sport said, you take it one game at a time. Injuries (dcs) happen and you live threw it and move on. No one owes anyone a rematch and no one should have a player watching in spectate mode.

If they can create a sit room where the player sees nothing and then ok im with you on a sub. Otherwise like any team in any sport trying to make the playoffs, you take it on the chin.

Just to give my 2 cents

TCG did what they were supposed to do. If we are playing football/basketball/baseball and your best player gets injured and go on. No one stops to say hey its not fair.

No one said last year in the NBA finals, hey cavs its ok we will wait for kevin love and Irving to get healthy so we can play. TCG did what they needed to do and i prefer the decision they made.

On one of the posts, you said have 1 player in spectate mode. I disagree since thats another pair of eyes to watch and chat on rotations, cant have that. Obviously they took a break to find a sub which they did not have. Once again that comes down to a roster issue which many of these video game ESPORTS have issues with.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

kdaddy.5431:

Furajir.3815:

What’s your build?

I run

Arms-2-2-2

Defense-2-1-1

beserker 1-1-1

Beserker amulet. I dont do as much damage as a power or discpline trait line but i prefer arms over the other 2 trait lines. Im using rifle and great sword.

Volly still does around 1,300 to 1,800 damage and depending on who the gun flame shot does between 6-9 k damage. I got between 10-14k on the power trait line but you have to be more careful using that trait.

Consider arms 2-1-2? middle two does nothing for you per say and the probability of stunned foes is higher with engineers around.

Yeah this middle trait line is horrid but everytime you go into beserk mode you apply fury. Im also using rune of the pack so my precision sits around 68% base. When i enter beserk mode i have like a 83% crit chance and then you get the small 150 condi dmg plus all the bonuses.

Its not much but you apply 3 burn with gun flame and it helps with people who are low on health and try to run.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

hey kdaddy,
share your warrior build, play style with us could ya? XD

you’re not legendary yet?
late diamond ?

i.e. 30/35 diamond

ive been around t4-5 of diamond but my guild has been working hard at the SAB so im trying to help get more guild tokens ………………………….. We need fancy furniture!

Furajir.3815:

What’s your build?

I run

Arms-2-2-2

Defense-2-1-1

beserker 1-1-1

Beserker amulet. I dont do as much damage as a power or discpline trait line but i prefer arms over the other 2 trait lines. Im using rifle and great sword.

Volly still does around 1,300 to 1,800 damage and depending on who the gun flame shot does between 6-9 k damage. I got between 10-14k on the power trait line but you have to be more careful using that trait.

Saiyan.1704:

Why does replying to your own thread feels like posting on your own Facebook status when no one else has?

Yeah, lol i was having problems getting that 4th picture up. So i just made a new one under it.

I couldnt get it to show the wins ive had on warrior even though i edited it twice.

I really could of gotten to legendary by now but i keep taking 2-3 day breaks. I dont do bad on warrior but literally when someone with a big mouths dies its all ways the X class persons fault. Anyways happy hunting PvPers

It doesnt happen often but the people who cry in this game is incredible. I laugh sometimes but mostly i ponder on what i could of done different when the game JUST STARTED and they it was not me who died. Some fun pictures.

Hey they made it so you cant look at old brackets and they moved from team speak to discord. I earned those losses fair and square and deserve to see who beat me each time.

My goodness things be changing too fast

Hammerguard.9834:

Spirit Watch is a good looking map, they just need to make it funner and balance the orb mechanics. They still never fixed the fact that the orb doesn’t slow movement skills ever since they removed chill and cripple slowing movement skills.

Also, Temple defenitely does not need those pointless buffs back.

I like spirit watch, IMO all they need to do is move the ORB to the back and the cap point to the front and give the orb set skills.

Dahkeus.8243:

kdaddy.5431:

I just wanted to ask the question about the state of PvP. I see in alot of ranked matches that people ask thieves,warriors and guardians to change classes before the match even starts.

Before HOT and obviously the god D/D meta this was never a problem. If a team ran 5 rangers i didnt know if 1-2 were pew pew, bunker or trap. Depending on skill these classes builds did well.

Same with thief, you had the venom thief, dps thief, and i know of 1 bunker thief and he had success with it. People didnt like it because he didnt play the quote um quote thief role.

I could go threw all the classes but i truly feel this game took a giant step back in build quality. We all saw the mirror matches if you watched even 2 matches in ESL.

I just want to ask the question if people are having more fun with the new HOT builds or like myself forced to play similar builds as other people with the same class to stay competitive and not having fun with less creative freedom?

There’s a couple reasons for the lack of diversity, outside of balance changes and HoT:

1) MetaBattle. It used to be pretty tough to find an exact build that there was much of a consensus over. Back in the early days, at best you’d be able to get builds from what people ran in tournaments, but that information was less readily available, so less people followed it.

2) The new PvP League. With the new league, competition in GW2 PvP overall has gotten a lot tighter. With pips at stake, people are a lot less likely to risk losses by running experimental builds outside of unranked.

I can understand this but alot of the older builds had some give and take.

Guardian had the medi dps, bunker, burn burst. None were necessarily better then the other but it depended on what the team needed. I mean out of no where Tage came with a hammer guardian at the WTS. In WTS 2 we saw a ranger when people said it couldnt be done. Even with some imbalance high level players could make classes work.

I always felt you could see a unique build in the AG/ESL tournaments even with meta battle.

tichorum.2415:

It was a fun and funny cast with both Heurix and I writing #GW2PL tweets. The wink was all in good fun and not something that has a meaning by any means. It’s not something I’ll do in the future if that’s what you’re looking to hear.

Lol, my view on the ESL match ups might of seemed negative.

You and Heurix seemed a bit more lively and i felt it made it a little bit more enjoyable to watch. Thats just my opinion but i thought this was your guys better casts just because it seemed a bit more real.

Great job on it

Choppy.4183:

kdaddy.5431:

I feel that people who got really upset over it probably felt like a black person when a white person makes jokes about slavery when that persons family used to own slaves.

I do believe your comment is lacking a certain sense of proportion…. o_O

Anyway, it’s passed now. Regardless if people thought it was all in good fun, or a blow below the belt, it’s probably time to move on to more important matters… like how they’ll work 100 full hits into the 100b animation…

Its a extreme but i was just trying to show the potential frustration level of die hard players.

I mean this to me is the worse any class has ever been in GW2. I mean ranger had some low moments but there was always 2-3-4 players who stuck with it and made decent builds. After the spirit ranger nerf and then 1 who is currently playing on final form made it to WTS 2 as a ranger.

Necro got low but there was always 2-3-4 players and 1 in particular who constantly made it the best 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 class in the game at elite levels.

Right now no one makes warrior even look decent. I saw once tarcis streaming and this rev double dodged, use both elite skills and miss them both on his rev. Tarcis got this guy to 5-10% health and he went for the kill and the dude used glints heal and got back to around 80% health and tarcis died. Tarcis said well nothing you can do against OP Rev.

Rom has had a few matches the same way to the point these guys dont even play warrior anymore.

So here you have anet joking about how bad warrior is, people on the forum calling them out. Its no surprise that a heavy majority dont find it funny.

( I bet the developers are laughing hard though, next balance patch i expect them to nerf warrior dps and give small cd reduction and them say bam all done. Enjoy that)

I just wanted to ask the question about the state of PvP. I see in alot of ranked matches that people ask thieves,warriors and guardians to change classes before the match even starts.

Before HOT and obviously the god D/D meta this was never a problem. If a team ran 5 rangers i didnt know if 1-2 were pew pew, bunker or trap. Depending on skill these classes builds did well.

Same with thief, you had the venom thief, dps thief, and i know of 1 bunker thief and he had success with it. People didnt like it because he didnt play the quote um quote thief role.

I could go threw all the classes but i truly feel this game took a giant step back in build quality. We all saw the mirror matches if you watched even 2 matches in ESL.

I just want to ask the question if people are having more fun with the new HOT builds or like myself forced to play similar builds as other people with the same class to stay competitive and not having fun with less creative freedom?

JTGuevara.9018:

I can’t believe you guys are offended by this. Have people no sense of humor?

I’m more offended by the state of warrior itself and pvp than this.

I feel that people who got really upset over it probably felt like a black person when a white person makes jokes about slavery when that persons family used to own slaves.

Was it a joke? yes was it funny? In a ironic way yes.

Are people gonna get mad about it, of course. I agree with you completely, the state of PvP is horrible right now.

Some of the matches were great like PZ vs EZ PZ but some changes i would really like.

1- Class restriction
Make it 2 of each class, im sorry but seeing some of these guys pick up a class and just get destroyed in 3 sec because they dont know how to defend something is redicolous. I counted more then 5 times where someone went from 75% health + to down. A there was only 2 where these players main that class quote um quote main.

Allow teams to run 2 revs 2 necros 1 scrapper- 2 scrappers 2 eles 1 druid etc etc etc. Anet should fix the classes if they cant allow 2 of a class.

2- Maps and buffs
They need to bring back the buffs on temple of the silent storm. Seriously quit dumbing down the game. Also we have seen these 3-4 maps in play for 4 years now. Can we get 1-2 more conquest maps, this game is a conquest PvP. Quit trying to make mobas for moba players and death matches for death match players. ( I like both but this game needs to stand alone in what they want) People paid 50-100 bucks and it might be time to add a new conquest map.

3- Why patch update in the season?
I get that the finals match on the last ESL was a total fail since you changed the PvP scene without seeing who were the best teams in that meta. This is getting insane though. Your gonna have 3-4 teams on EU and NA side play for 2nd place and a small change to the meta will screw they guys. It be nice if the PvP team put the work in before you guys come out with PRO LEAGUE SEASONS/GAMES.

If anyone agrees or disagrees or want to add there own rule changes they would like to see. I assume there are some things i missed.

Lastly did Storm/tichorium wink at the camera at the end?

Deniara Devious.3948:

I know I will be flamed for this, but I think the most commonly used warrior weapons should not be buffed. In fact I would argue that Forceful greatsword trait is simply too good trait at the moment. It provides very good might stacking, 20 % CD reduction for spear/GS and also flat out 10 % dmg buff. The damage buff should be removed and it would still be better than many GM traits, while it is a master trait. GS has been the most popular warrior weapon for ages and GS/rifle and GS/hammer warriors are still pretty common combination in spvp. In WvWvW and pve GS is probably the most commonly used warrior weapon.

Gunflame damage is too high for its short cooldown and reasonably fast activation time. Tone down the gunflame damage by 20%, but don’t nerf any other rifle skills. Rifle will be in a good spot if warrior sustain is slightly buffed and other elite specs are toned down.

Warhorn needs helps as offhand shield + torch is clearly better for most circumstances. Condition mace/shield + sword/torch warrior is a fairly strong condition spec, albeit being selfish. Nobody is using mace/warhorn or axe/warhorn. And sword/warhorn is mainly used in pve for running together with GS. I don’t think anybody in their right mind would Sw/Wh+GS combo in spvp.

Here are some ideas to buff warhorn:
1a. Revert the quick breathing nerf and make it convert a condition into a boon instead of merely removing the condition
1b. Or alternatively make warhorn skills remove 2 conditions with quick breathing.
2a. Charge (warhorn #4) needs to have the swiftness duration increased to full 12-15 s, so warrior could have permanent swiftness without any additional investments. A melee warrior needs to be able to stick to its target or it is dead weight. Now so many professions have very high mobility, lots of teleport, stealth etc. This is all making melee warrior’s life more difficult.
2b. Call to Arms (warhorn #5) is too weak for 20 s skill. Merely giving 10 s vigor (after the vigor nerfs) + 6 s weakness is way too weak. It is mainly used as a blast finisher and cover condition. But what if warhorn #5 could be given a bit more offensive role e.g. also causing 2 seconds of 600 range AoE chill (max 5 targets). That could be used to mess up enemy heals and slow down fleeing enemies, but also defensively when warrior needs to flee.

Nerfing the shoutbow warrior was a bad move from Arenanet, because they basically killed the only valid spvp support build for the profession. Warrior can still dish out huge DPS, but all those builds are selfish or simply weaker than playing a D/F auramancer, druid, revenant, reaper or scrapper.

I would also do the following sustain changes to warrior/berserker:
1. “To the Limit” activation time reduced to 0.5 s and untraited CD reduced to 25 s. The total healing amount should be reduced by 20 % to compensate these changes and not make this heal overpowered. Now too many warriors run healing signet, but after these changes “To the Limit” should be viable in competitive settings and not be interrupted all the time.
2. Inspiring presence (tactics GM minor) also gives +20 % boon duration besides the current weak effect
3. Dead or Alive (berserker master trait) should activate even if the warrior is not in berserker mode and trigger berserker mode if it is not in cooldown.
4. Eternal champion (berserker GM trait) should give 1 stack of stability per 1 second or 3 stacks of stability per 3 seconds, because the current 1 stack per 3 seconds is just too little.

Warrior can be semi effective in low sapphire, but I bet any build (even pre-HoT) can work there. Here is my latest track record and it was only possible because I got lucky to get team mates, who knew how to rotate and enemy fell to my trolling at far (yes, I went to far and didn’t die there).

I have to argue a few points, in your own post you talk about how warrior could do alot better with a minor sustain buff and other classes getting nerfed.

Thats alot to happen

You also mentioned certain weapons needing nerfed and damage reduction. I posted about warrior DPS and my complaints about it. Do you realize that that guardian DH bow skill 2, rev sword skill 2 and enchanting daggers and staff 5 and etc etc etc, a number of other skills does more damage then warrior beserk great sword skill F1?

I posted about how i did less then 2k damage and everyone said warrior dps is fine. Cute, when other classes do more damage and dont have to set it up its a problem.

Gun flame does a ton of damage but do you realize what you are shooting into? Eles magnetic aura from a shout-overload-warhorn 4 and a personal from focus. Not including mesmer reflects by trait, engy has a ton and its crap, warriors shield.

Im seriously tired of people posting ohhh ive had success but yes there is problems. This class has the worst sustain in the game and even when fully geared out in either condi or damage gear/runes/sigils it still does less damage then other classes.

GW2 says, “if you play PvP and WvW you will play SAB”

no need to make a reward track

Atomic.5840:

Why do most players hate when warrior is in their team?

I’ve read many threads about “warrior is a pvp joke” and “warrior is not competive”.

But couple days ago I’ve seen how players just intentionally lose because they have a warrior in teammates.

So, what did I see from arena:
1. Tons of pve warriors with gs, sword/axe, rifles
2. Tons of precision+ferocity warriors without ANY sustain nor defensive abilities (like endure pain).

These guys are going into arena and feed all the time. There’s really no benefit from them in teamfight. But this is a problem of players, not a class!

Also, i came to metabattle and didn’t find one of the most viable builds: full condi warrior.

I’ve checked this build after one of “joke warriors” just stunlocked me to death from 100 to 0 hp.

This build is hammer + mace/shield and there’s 8 stuns/knockdowns.
If such warrior gets close – and he gets – he can stun one target to death while interrupting most abilities. So if you do not have 2 stunbreakers – there’s no chance at all.

Yesterday I had lots of losses on a warrior and i found that people just do not realise what to do. They expect that warrior should rush into a fight and receive all damage while these guys just autoattack from safe distance. I was winning 1 vs 2 fight while 4 other teammates died from 3 opponents without killing anyone. Is this a problem of a warrior?

The biggest problem for stunlock condi warrior is a scrapper with massive stability stacks.

So My question is – why do you dislike warriors so much? Because it is simpler to dislike unskilled players.

Yes it is true that many people just blame others. This goes with any class but where does this hate come from?

It comes from high level play. You get into legendary and push for legendary 2-3-4+ everyone sees that warrior is simply out matched in 1 vs 1 situations, team fights, support and mobility. I wont go into all of it since i have made a post in the PvP section and the warrior section.

Also 2 things about the hammer/ mace-shield build.

1-This only works against bad players
Reasons for this is because they wont fight off the point. You can catch bad players who only fight in the circle and lack stability or dont know how to dodge roll at the right time. Otherwise people will use range weapons/knock back-stuns, slowing skills to force you to chase and you will lose the fight due to being out sustained.

2- Its a very selfish build
Against other high level players you will lose a 1 vs 1 running a weapon set with no ability top run. You also lose out on the other condi dmg that you would get with sword-torch which means you are only really applying confusion-bleeding,weakness and maybe a torment or poison on sigil or rune. Also you will struggle in team fights since you are not helping with boons, rezzes, and even dps. The condi damage is all burst damage and when there is a ele around you are not applying enough condi damage to really effect a team fight when you have a ele healing-removing condi, a engy healing and removing condi, a ranger healing and remvoing condi……………………..

I know you want o make it a non warrior thing but when you reach that ceiling it becomes a warrior thing even to the GW2 developers who make the joke that warriors can actually kill somebody in PvP.

I feel like this would be the response from rangers and necros if they had to replace the pet or minion with a warrior. Ranger and necros be asking why are you nerfing us by giving us warrior help?

Fluffball.8307:

Filhoduhomi.7496:

Is an option, I have a including, sad to lose time and money commitment.

I was joking, ranger has historically been ignored so badly by anet that their joke for the April Fool’s update was to not even list an update for it. Warrior has historically except for very early PvP mode been Anets golden child.

I would agree but Rangers were apart of the AG/ESL just not consistently like the warrior,ele,engy and thief.

The reason why rangers were not a solid class was because they lost too easily to thief and mesmers on off point battles. Typically rangers fought off point and even more so when the Longbow got upgraded.

The reason why i would disagree with you on this is because in the hands of the right players necros, rangers and mesmers could still excel and you saw all of them in the WTS 2.

ATM warriors can not beat any class in 1 vs 1 and team fights against equally skilled players/high level.

People are writing on the forums of being legendary warrior players but the build is easily countered and other players only need to fight you once and make a small change to the build when they see you.

This wasnt the case before, you had guys like hiro playing ranger and winning in the AG tournaments and competing in the ESL and of course nos on necro as well as a few others. Hiro was stalemating the old d/d eles and could win 1 vs 1 fights against certian thieves and mesmers. Was it a little under powered, yes but it was still viable.

You cant name a warrior build that is top 4 with in a team concept. Yes if you play a gun flame warrior you will hit someone for 10k occasional. If you play condi you can stack 12 bleed and 12 confusion with some burns against average players and beat them. Once you start playing AG/ESL level players these players wont get hit with the big burst hits in 1 vs 1 and they already have a planned counter.

I have to say that thief is not in a great spot either but that is for another thread.

Actually toughness doesnt mean a whole lot in PvP. Boons like protection are far more important then toughness.

Right now the warriors shouts heals dont heal enough to make it usable in higher level play.

Ive played around with a banner healing build but you give very little support to your team other then regen which is good but ele/engy/druids heals are so much better i dont find it to be a decent healing build.

People are playing condi builds which are good at lower levels of pvp but isnt great at high levels. Ive been playing rifle warrior when ever there isnt a ele in a match. You can do wonders with DPS warrior when there is no support class on the other team.

Otherwise you are building a character who will struggle and be less effective against other tank/bunker/support classes.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

kdaddy.5431:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I’m not really sympathetic to either group of advocates.

• If the game isn’t fun enough without the 10 AP/day of dailies, maybe it’s time to take a break.
• Similarly, I don’t see why the game should cater to those who struggle to get every last AP or “catch up” to people who have been playing for 3 years.

I think it’s equally valid to have a cap as to not have one.

I dont think anyone is saying the game isnt fun enough without the 10 ap but the question is what is there left for me to do?

I don’t understand. You are saying there’s nothing left for you to do (except for the 10 AP). So what are you doing for fun then?

Regardless, I’ll rephrase my first point:

• I don’t think the game should cater to people who don’t have any interest in playing, aside from getting 10 AP/day.

Games evolve more slowly than the community does and deliver additional content more slowly than players run out of new stuff to do. It’s perfectly normal and even healthy for folks to stop playing a game after a year or more of dedication.

I can be honest, yes

I have already made the Legendary Back Piece from PvP.

I was at level 50 fractal when they first reset all of us back to 30. Which i knew a few people who quit when that happened.

I have a WvW ranking over 700 and did a ton of WvW before the gave people levels for it.

Ive been here from the start and i dont want them rehashing old events so new players can get the AP/skins/ ETC because once again they are catering to the only a select few players who missed something.

HOT brought new maps and gliding which was fun but they didnt bring any reason to actually explore it. The idea of the HOT maps are awesome but fell flat in the story line and events.

This game came out with so much content with the scarlett story line and it was epic. Every month with new missions, new boss to defeat and i epic final battle.

When you compare GW2 core to the expansion, i didnt get what was promised and they have been really slow in balancing PvP, they killed WvW, and have not introduced any new events.

In this huge rant im trying to say yes, a heavy majority of the people in my guild who have been playing this game from the start have taken huge layoffs or only come in for dailies. There is about 4-5 people in my guild with over 15k ap and 2-3 with over 20k ap.

When you do something 5-6-7 times and you dont exactly enjoy it but the things you do enjoy you have done 5,000 times. You either want us to log in for the 20+ minutes or you want them to find some other game to play.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I’m not really sympathetic to either group of advocates.

• If the game isn’t fun enough without the 10 AP/day of dailies, maybe it’s time to take a break.
• Similarly, I don’t see why the game should cater to those who struggle to get every last AP or “catch up” to people who have been playing for 3 years.

I think it’s equally valid to have a cap as to not have one.

I dont think anyone is saying the game isnt fun enough without the 10 ap but the question is what is there left for me to do?

For instance im almost at 27k AP and i really havent touched the HOT pve maps since the PvP leagues have been going on.

I know a few people who are are at 28-29k ap and they have guilds over level 40. They have 4-5 legendary weapons and have made at least 1 of the new legendaries. I can tell you that they do enjoy the game and they log in to see the new skins/gliders/ minis/ etc etc etc. (seriously they have almost all the minis even from the guild halls)

These 2 guys i know really get these done and they both pop in to finish dailies for the rewards and the AP.

They use to command on the WvW servers and they commanded in the HOT maps for events. I mean they have done it all and i just want people to know that its not that they dont enjoy the game but after 4 years of the core game. Then a very short expansion, there becomes very little for them to do.

This isnt a good thing for many reason

1- Maxed AP
What is left for these people to do in the mean time? Obviously there isnt many but its around 200-300 players that will log in every day for those 10 points and dont really have much left to do.

2-Down time
Atm and since the HOT release there hasnt been much to do. If a player doesnt enjoy the raids/HOT/PvP and doesnt want to do shatterer or claw of jormag for the 10,000th time. What is to stop a player who doesnt need dailies and doesnt want to do the other parts of the game anymore from finding another game to jump into? Once again its not many players but for a few who still enjoy the game you are cutting them off. Nothing to work for means these players have no reason to log in.

3-Shows Anet Has a lack of content
Im sorry but day by day anet is showing more of there cards. Stopping legendary work, Living Story still missing, lack of dungeons, raids only working for a small part of the community, the death of WvW.
Stopping the ability to gain AP from dailies truly means they have nothing left to give. They probably didnt plan 4-5 years ahead.

GW2 was a amazing game and i know its impossible to measure up to it. It ultimately will mean this games slow decrease in population. Its just frustrating that more and more things are popping up that the company cant deliver on.

They promised us alot and they couldnt deliver but now i truly feel that they are simply running out of stuff to give to the game.

Hansen.3264:

Why do highly skilled people make alt accounts?

Why not play legendary. From what i can se on twitch legendary ques are alot better now.

Making alt accounts make alot of less skilled people stuck with blowout matches and seems kinda counterproductive with the skilled player community whanted to not playing with theese low leveled people. Some will be carried and other will miss tier jumps and maybe get stucked.

I refuse to watch streamers on alt accounts blowing new people up. I would much rater follow and sup elite players playing tuff fights, winning and loosing and hear there indput on tactics , mistakes and what to change, than seeing them blow up mr random clicker in amber or ruby

There is a ton of reasons,

1- Que times
People are posting 10-15-20 minute que times and its because of this horrible pip system. Anet wants to put that carrot in front of us but many of us have the Legendary Back pc/glider and either dont care to play anymore or made a alt account so they can actually play.

2- Rewards/ Prizes
You have seen other posts about this as well. Alot of people who PvP alot got llamas from the AG/ what ever tournaments. Now they are just giving them out but alot of us already had 1-2-3-X llamas. So they are doing for gold/ dyes/ just more goodies.

3- Playing with other people
This gives alot of the high level pvp players to play with friends who dont PvP as much and gives them the best chance to advance in this league system. You can help your friends by having them in sapphire/ruby and forcing them to face high level players. They wouldnt win so this helps them.

The league set up is horrible, if you want to reward players then they should actually do that. All of us who play PvP alot and are decent at it have the legendary back pcs. Made it to leg 2-3-4 etc and do not see the reason to keep going.

The titles are cute but honestly when the game feels more and more dead what do you want people to do? I seriously had this match with 2 players, wont say there names or class but they were horrible and i told them they needed to not do what they were doing. They didnt and i lost the next 4-5 matches in a row. Next day instead of being on there team im fighting them and we had the worst comp ever and we crushed them. I dont want to play ranked with these people on/or against them for rewards/progression/ etc etc etc. You can see why others would want to make a alt account.

Riku.1093:

New screenshot. At least the last few games have been somewhat better.

Did you seriously run 2 shouts and 3 cantrips?

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Problem isn’t warrior damage. Problem is defensive traits. Gain protection when stunned.
Gain armor when hit.
Protection is more effective.
Etc etc

Ohh i understand this but i find alot of problems with how they updated warrior.

For instance they buff rifle which is great, im hitting people for 7-12k each time when they dont have reflects.

Yet all the rifle skills seem to miss if the ground is slightly higher in a area or when they are heading up the stairs, right below me, if they are strafing really quickly, among other crap.

Now brings up the other question, if rifle is doing X damage. The other 2 dps weapons like axe and greatsword, why are they doing far less damage? Against a ele like the picture i showed above i am hitting eles for 6-8k with rifle instead of 8-10 like everyone else. On great sword im hitting for less then 2.

Now that has nothing to do with boons.

Supreme.3164:

kdaddy.5431:

Supreme.3164:

kdaddy.5431:

The HOT expansion made everything easier. Bunker guard and shout bow warrior had weaknesses. Like guardian gave defensive shouts for condi cleansing and was a real bunker. Shout bow was a hybrid who could do some damage and clease some conditions.

Ele trumps them both hard by being incredibly hard to kill, applying boons, auras, heals and does ok damage.

Thief was made easier with d/d condi and staff dps. Its literally pick your spot and dodge and dps dodge and dps.

Alot specs dumbed down classes and then for rev and scrapper, they are nearly perfect. They do great in team fights and 1 vs 1. They have tons of blocks,evades,boons, the best passives in the game and do insane damage.

I truly do not know how you balance this now. They removed alot of runes and amulets. There have always been bottom tier classes but the gap separation has increased greatly.

Honestly anet has fallen down lately, the D/D ele era where it was obvious it was far superior then other builds. Then HOT came and the ability to balance the game has only gotten worse and worse.

The game can only get worst for as long as they keep listening to forum rants…to consider an aurashare ele , a far tougher customer than old shoutbow war…..it’s like I have been playing a different version of the game for the last 4 years where esl team were running with double celestial shoutbow…so much for " a timid hybrid build" and before that we had double hambow esl teams..kk

I was talking about the role it brings to the table. Also what terrible teams were running double shout bow? Also the hambow era was very short and when tournaments got real the cele rifle and d/d ele was still the 2 best builds out there.

Also you dont explain anything with this comment, you want to talk stupid team comps ok fine please continue to watch Radioactive when they were running double staff eles and 2 shout guardians.

Ohhh yeah and you must be the only person to play in tournaments and therefore you remember it differently then everyone else. Also what eles are you playing with/against that are doing poorly?

For fun i run sigil of life and with 25 more stacks of healing i will literally walk into a 1 vs 2 and laugh when they cant kill me on a decapped point. Please if you want to make it a actual debate actual use the words to describe why you disagree instead of just throwing out uhhhhhh yeah its not shout bow good. UHHHHHHHH L2P uhhhhhhhhhhhh

Pls do prove it how you walk into a 1vs2 human players and survive with the meta aurashare…oh wait..maybe it was you as ele bunker vs 2 ele bunkers that explain it -_-.
A timed moa+jade wind = dead..tell me more about your invincibility, or a slickshoes+chill to the bone or any other form of stupid CC lock and you’re dead.

Did I forget about the “timed” part so far? ..hmm guess playing against opponents that unload all dmg while you’re obby fleshed, must have erased any concept of “timed spike threat”

Balance in GW 2 is done based on biased rants..and this is what you bring upon yourself

Always ready at every meta to run to the forum to complain about the meta builds of the moment while everything else around the meta builds has been nerfed to uselessness

wow i will just do what you did.

I dodge the moa because he points his finger at me and boom they miss and i have my overload stun break ready when he uses jade wins and when they get me to 10k health i use my flesh skill with vigor and regen and attune to water back to full health.

Wow see what i did there, obviously ive proven once again i can 1 vs 2 a point vs any players.

This is what you do in all your posts. The hypothetical and your points are full proof and others are not. Wow very impressive

Did you not see how i beat you in a 1 vs 2 and you had a mesmer and rev. L2P

Right so real quick just something to think about. With the beserk trait line you get damage buffs or condi buffs.

The traits i have atm i have +20% damage on burst use, i get 7% for using beserk mode, and 10 for extra damage in beserk mode trait. Thats a 37% damage bonus with max damage amulet and a really high damage rune.

So i posted a pic, heres my problem anet. Scrapper/rev/DH/necro/ all do more damage with lower cool downs. I did less then 2 k damage and you seriously didnt upgrade warrior at all.

Is this class just suppose to be a 2nd tier condi class? Anet/ forum moderator i would like this explained on how my BIG BURST SKILL does less damage then the others basic attacks.

Supreme.3164:

kdaddy.5431:

The HOT expansion made everything easier. Bunker guard and shout bow warrior had weaknesses. Like guardian gave defensive shouts for condi cleansing and was a real bunker. Shout bow was a hybrid who could do some damage and clease some conditions.

Ele trumps them both hard by being incredibly hard to kill, applying boons, auras, heals and does ok damage.

Thief was made easier with d/d condi and staff dps. Its literally pick your spot and dodge and dps dodge and dps.

Alot specs dumbed down classes and then for rev and scrapper, they are nearly perfect. They do great in team fights and 1 vs 1. They have tons of blocks,evades,boons, the best passives in the game and do insane damage.

I truly do not know how you balance this now. They removed alot of runes and amulets. There have always been bottom tier classes but the gap separation has increased greatly.

Honestly anet has fallen down lately, the D/D ele era where it was obvious it was far superior then other builds. Then HOT came and the ability to balance the game has only gotten worse and worse.

The game can only get worst for as long as they keep listening to forum rants…to consider an aurashare ele , a far tougher customer than old shoutbow war…..it’s like I have been playing a different version of the game for the last 4 years where esl team were running with double celestial shoutbow…so much for " a timid hybrid build" and before that we had double hambow esl teams..kk

I was talking about the role it brings to the table. Also what terrible teams were running double shout bow? Also the hambow era was very short and when tournaments got real the cele rifle and d/d ele was still the 2 best builds out there.

Also you dont explain anything with this comment, you want to talk stupid team comps ok fine please continue to watch Radioactive when they were running double staff eles and 2 shout guardians.

Ohhh yeah and you must be the only person to play in tournaments and therefore you remember it differently then everyone else. Also what eles are you playing with/against that are doing poorly?

For fun i run sigil of life and with 25 more stacks of healing i will literally walk into a 1 vs 2 and laugh when they cant kill me on a decapped point. Please if you want to make it a actual debate actual use the words to describe why you disagree instead of just throwing out uhhhhhh yeah its not shout bow good. UHHHHHHHH L2P uhhhhhhhhhhhh

i agree

My guild team this season consists of 1 college student who plays on the soccer team, I and 2 others are 30+ with other crap to do and 2 are on vacation for past week for easter. The 5th is a mystery but we were in the top 50 (49) now we are in the 600 ranked team because we havent played for 2 weeks. The teams above us are 1-1, 1-3 and 15-40.

Oh well

The HOT expansion made everything easier. Bunker guard and shout bow warrior had weaknesses. Like guardian gave defensive shouts for condi cleansing and was a real bunker. Shout bow was a hybrid who could do some damage and clease some conditions.

Ele trumps them both hard by being incredibly hard to kill, applying boons, auras, heals and does ok damage.

Thief was made easier with d/d condi and staff dps. Its literally pick your spot and dodge and dps dodge and dps.

Alot specs dumbed down classes and then for rev and scrapper, they are nearly perfect. They do great in team fights and 1 vs 1. They have tons of blocks,evades,boons, the best passives in the game and do insane damage.

I truly do not know how you balance this now. They removed alot of runes and amulets. There have always been bottom tier classes but the gap separation has increased greatly.

Honestly anet has fallen down lately, the D/D ele era where it was obvious it was far superior then other builds. Then HOT came and the ability to balance the game has only gotten worse and worse.

Burtnik.5218:

Greatsword damage is in hb.. Use dat

If you look at the start of the fight, like i said the thief stoned. I used hundred blades and landed for almost 6k damage and then i used my burst skills to land 4k.

I dont want to play condi warrior anymore and all im trying to say is 3-4 other classes shouldnt do more damage then me when im using my burst skills and ive gone with a pure dps build and they are running hybrids.