Guild Wars 2

disagree, if your melting its because you dont have defensive skills in your build. Im running a zerker warrior with stances and i can survive for a little bit.

For the first time in this game zerker/Sin classes cant go running around freely. If your attacking a bunker and a zerker comes up and bursts you, you should lose.

People cried for high risk high reward game play and now that its here, the crying has begun.

Im using a shout guardian and its very bunkery, my friend uses staff ele and he didnt die in 6 games. A guild mate of mine made a mace shield bunker warrior and it was really good too. He used a defense banner with shouts so maybe its just you guys.

Id like to share my frustration before this patch with the builds before. For maybe a week i changed my warrior build from hambow to gs shield and axe. I ran a 4-6-2-0-2 build and i ran rune of the pack with the cele ammy. heres my frustration before.

I would be fighting a thief or mesmer for a point and im 90% dps and there some goofy condi bunker build. We would be fighting and then i would catch them with a shield bash switch weapons for the crit and go for a big hit. Or use the gs to slow them siwtch weapons and eviscerate. I have out played them by timing my dodges better catching them with a stun and laying down my biggest punch. I would take this mesmer down to 5-10% of there life. The would then use some escape ability run away for 10 sec heal and come back. I now have all my utility skills resetting they come back kill me in 15 – 25 sec.

Today and yesterday guess what if im using a zerk build and your using a vit condi build. Its about you avoiding my big hit and you constantly applying condi. If your zerk and im zerk its about who timed there dodge/stun breaker/heal better and landed the 2-3 big hits in a row. People who say there is no bunker builds obviously arent trying hard and for the first time in a long time cele is for a certain type of class instead of for every class.

I like this patch most cause seeing everyone on the forum squirm simply because they dont have meta battle site to tell them what build to use to be better then other builds for no reason. To me this have been the most diverse and realistic pvp has been ever.

Twonineone.3490:

kdaddy.5431:

I have to say this is how PvP should be, you have glassy players actually being glassy and defensive players/support players able to win team fights.

I don’t think you have played a “Bunker” build, ‘cause playing one of them feels you are playing a before-the-patch glasscannon build. I’ve tried a Shout Guardian and it’s a mess, I go down so easily with just against 2 condi builds.
I don’t say I want the PvP way of 2 years ago, when a bunker build could sit on a node and stay there all the time, because it was boring, but I feel that ANet have choose to “balance” the game just making all the professions REALLY soft. And I really dislike this new PvP.

The effect of this new balance, in PvP, is that the player that hits first, hits twice. So everybody with long range weapons and gg. About melees every fight will become a flashy mess where we will have 3 downed players vs 3 downed players that will try to kill the enemy with the downed skills…amazing…

AHHHHH actually i was using a shout guardian build and i was lasting over a minute vs 2 players trying to kill me. I used the rune that removes condi on shout. Im using the rune that gives toughness,* and condition dmg. Im using renewed focus and shelter and glass characters are dying to other glass characters before 2-3 can kill me.

Im sorry i played with my builds for literally 2-3 matches and found using a different ammy then cele is huge. I also ran into a bunker warrior using mace shield with shouts and he held greatly too. The best part about it is as a guardian i can win 1 vs 1 vs cele classes now since there not tanky for no reason, with my condi dmg.

I also run a bunker terrormancer which would of been the old 0-4-6-0-4 build and i crushed people. Lastly people saying they cant hold points just means your garbage. I won a 1 vs 3 fight yesterday with my warrior and i won 1 vs 2 with my necro. Im sorry but i always ran non meta builds before and this plays to my strengths. The majority of people in PvP were living off meta builds beating better players simply cause meta builds could do everything.

To me the patch showed alot about the current players. It showed you didnt which attacks to avoid since they nerfed vigor, it showed you didnt know your role since meta builds did everything, it showed your in ability to change.

I have a friend who plays staff ele and didnt die once in 6 games. I had another friend not die in 3 games using a bunker ranger. Maybe im wrong and were just better players but to me it good cause for the first time you cant use your meta build to beat us by simply using the stronger build.

Raven.3957:

Post patch build diversity IS worse because anet decided to KILL builds by removing traits that made them possible, and ensured that all the meta builds were untouched, ballanced, or buffed.

I thought we were all supposed to be able to play whatever we want? Why are you following in wow’s footsteps and simplifying the game over and over again. Why dont you just make it so simple a player only has to choose one trait line, one weapon, and one slot skill. “Are you gonna be a ranger that presses 1, 2, or 3?” “Are you gonna be an elementalist that uses fire? Air? Or water?”

Stop over simplifying crap.. seriously anet.. your killing this game. After this last patch im seriously about to quit before I ever get to HoT! Im tired of you making entire builds and characters of mine utterly worthless with your “updates”..

Id do anything to play the original buggy as’ gw2 again. In all of its difficult and diverse glory.

what builds of your did they kill? I was running a elixer engy before today and it got better. I was running a 0-4-6-0-4 necro before with staff and i did the same basic build and it got better. I was running a zerker warrior before and what to my surprise i was actually glassy for the first time in this game.

I literally went threw every class and changed a few things to either make them more glassy or bunkery. The only class that stayed cele for me was necro and to me every class felt like they should have. People had real problems killing my guardian, i could kill people very easily with my warrior/thief/ranger if they tried to ignore me. I stayed cele with my condi mesmer and i was still ok in team fights and i felt my necro actaully got better.

What were you using that got worse? Were you using a old meta build and now you actually had to use some skill and time other players attacks? Avoid getting hit by clones? im questioning if you actually tried to adjust or just came here to complain?

vincecontix.1264:

Please allow us to at lest substitute the lower tier traits for highers one. A lot of the option for the grandmaster traits are just horrible. In so many cases I would rather take a master trait.

i disagree, the only class i struggled with to make a good build was condi ranger but its not a bad build either. So sir i say once again i disagree

Every match i played if i faced a cele thief/mesmer i beat them. If they caught you with a big burst dmg the question becomes are you glass or bunker? If your glass you should go down since you got beat. I literally held a point for about 45 sec against a pure dps mesmer and a cele d/d ele. I hope you actually played with your runes and ammy before just saying there op.

On my zerker warrior i was able to kill glassy characters in 2-4 hits and i was also glass so when i got hit i went down fast too. Thats how its suppose to work.

I have to say this PvP patch is pretty awesome. I have 1 of each class and i really enjoyed them all except on my condi ranger but it wasnt bad either. I have to say this is how PvP should be, you have glassy players actually being glassy and defensive players/support players able to win team fights.

I would like to see some more trait option cause every class has the fall dmg trait which is useless but overall i feel the better players will stand out more with this which is fine to me. Even if lesser players run gimmick builds though they can be effective here. I ran my pure bunker guardian and i was great even against lich and rampage which was awesome.

I currently love how all the classes feel.

today i upgraded 2 camps and then suddenly the dolyak didnt have people protecting it. I fully upgraded 1 camp and still nothing protecting the dolyak.

Sidenote- when taking a camp i bunched all the guards together then all my attacks said obstructed which sucked.

Im finding alot more people ( lets just say it, engys and necros) doing the wiggle back and forth thing so when you use a range attack it says obstructed. I hope theres something in the exp for this

they probably havent added one since they plan to add at least 1 more class for now

choovanski.5462:

kdaddy.5431:

All i said was i was forced to use longbow against the MM necro, also necros when used properly are pretty good. Im not using a shoutbow so the condi removal can be a problem at times.

Let me go more into detail, i dont use double crit sigils. I use the 5% and gift of battle for might stacking. I use rune of the pack with the zerker ammy for as much dps as possible. I have around 2.4 k into power/damage and im running into cele shoutbow warriors who do just as much damage and more condi damage.

With my hammer im doing around 900-2k dmg on hits. When these double crit pvp players have this cele boon popping build they do like no dmg most hits then BOOM i lose 8k life from a fire and air crit hit. Im sitting here like this is a MM necro or its a scepter/focus ele.

Choovanski said he doing fine with shouts, which just means hes running cele with crit runes with a 0-0-6-2-6 build. All im saying is for a good 2-3 years i was able to run stances and play more melee then bow and that day ended. Just my opinion.

i actually run valk amulet with soldier runes and intelligence sigils, 00662 if you must know. i still have 2k power, but ive also got well over 3k armour. I don’t run cele because without the bow the condi dmg is pointless, and more power is just better. shout bow damage is poor without might, and it lacks any killer combos. hammer stun chain into shieldbash > final thrust is just beautiful.

I’ve a pal who i que with a lot who alternates between zerker greatbow with stances, and the wvw hammer GS classic. he can make it work, but im sure he runs fire and air. quite frankly not running fire and air on one of your weapons if your using zerker amulet is a bad idea, the benefit zerkers get from them is huge.

against something like minionmancer you just go for the stunlock, well with hammer you always go for the stunlock it never changes that’s why i love it. necro is not bad, but they have no stab and few stunbreaks so if you can stick on them with hammer you should be able to cc them to death. the beauty of the hammer is that your best offensive skills are also your best defensive skills, because a cc’d player can’t fight back.

my apologies

All i said was i was forced to use longbow against the MM necro, also necros when used properly are pretty good. Im not using a shoutbow so the condi removal can be a problem at times.

Let me go more into detail, i dont use double crit sigils. I use the 5% and gift of battle for might stacking. I use rune of the pack with the zerker ammy for as much dps as possible. I have around 2.4 k into power/damage and im running into cele shoutbow warriors who do just as much damage and more condi damage.

With my hammer im doing around 900-2k dmg on hits. When these double crit pvp players have this cele boon popping build they do like no dmg most hits then BOOM i lose 8k life from a fire and air crit hit. Im sitting here like this is a MM necro or its a scepter/focus ele.

Choovanski said he doing fine with shouts, which just means hes running cele with crit runes with a 0-0-6-2-6 build. All im saying is for a good 2-3 years i was able to run stances and play more melee then bow and that day ended. Just my opinion.

As a non shout bow warrior ive been running hambow since pre simply because i love seeing my character hit someone with the hammer and them falling, stil funny to me. Im struggling because each new update and patch has forced me to make my build 0-0-6-2-6 and sadly today i jumped into this pool. I still dont run shouts but i dont like playing bow. I used it before and like a helpful team boost but i mostly like using the hammer and as a melee character today i cant do much.

For instance against a necro MM today with staff she had her minion trap so i couldnt move and then threw her staff weapon skills down and basically for the rest of our fight i had to use the bow. Same vs a ele, mesmer and theif. There constant tele port skills make it for alot of weapons to just not be usable any more in pvp. I know alot of changes are coming but i would like to see a clash between melee vs ranger character cause atm there isnt.

Every person who uses a melee character has to use crit sigils whether its like stealing or air/fire. Im not enjoying the randomness of peoples attacks blasting me anywhere from 1-8k damage when im fighting the same person. Hopefully the changes to pvp change some of the forced gameplay but as i said in the title, im finally starting to struggle with having fun in pvp

Im on the fence about getting the Hot, if i did right now i would get the $100 one since i only paid for the $70 one to start so this is all the money ive spent on games basically for the last 3 years so i thank the GW2 for that.

The but here is there is no release date in sight. Ive read some post buy gw2 people and your gonna slowly bring out new info on all sorts of things which is great but i dont want to pay for a game right now if it isnt coming out till november. I dont know if you guys will have different packages of the game or new set ups. Heck what if my computer blew up and i never fixed it.

I would just like to ask for a around this time release date. You’ve talked about specializations, guild halls, and thats great but if i gonna spend money on the expansion i would at least like to know when the money i spent will allow me to see all these new things.

I wish there was a way to report what everyone thought of the post and it sends it to this guy. I for one am seeing alot more posts from people. I find mesmers and thieves to be the hardest to win 1 vs 1 against since they can go invisible heal and comeback and im still sitting there feeling like a fool.

Anet please just give us the option for a thumbs up or down on this persons comment

Today i had this 1 mesmer twice where the match started he ran out he died and he quit playing. I reported for lfg system abuse but theres a bigger issue. I quit queing and did something else but i had a friend who kept queing and he had him on his team 2 more times and fought him the 3rd time. Every match this mesmer went afk after doing 1 thing.

A bigger problem is one of the matches, we held our own as a 4 vs 5. We lost 500-380 and i dont know how anet would be able to tell if the match was good or bad especially since 1/2 the team didnt report this person cause they said there child woke up. My friend didnt report cause he could understand and then 2 games more later he reported since it felt like trolling.

I ultimately am just wondering if there will be a afk report button, just something you guys can look into? I only had 2 matches with this person but my friend saw this person for 5 games and im wondering if theres any other ways to report this?

RoRo.8270:

This is matchmaking in a nutshell my 1st 3 games of the day. My conclusion there is no matchmaking. I’d honestly love to see the devs solo queue for a couple weeks and stream it

Im not saying this is you but many people who solo que are really only there to test there own builds and ideas. So you see the guy running into a 1 vs 3 situation or a guy running to a point where 1 other player is there and there build is terrible for 1 vs 1.

I find most solo que people dont understand or dont make a build that will work with other players.

Zietlogik.6208:

choovanski.5462:

why would anyone want to join a loosing game where their team is already demoralised?

I actually like turning games around, me and a few friends do it all the time, you don’t have to always win to have fun.

Plus you would get a rank boost, just as a nice “thank you” for trying to be a good sport and help a team come back. Maybe instead of a rank boost, you could just get a nice “vonunteer’s chest” with some special loot in it.

you cant do that people would take advantage of the loot system, simply go into this que decap or cap a spot and wait for the match to end since your already getting bonus glory and now bonus loot with a match that will already be close to being finished.

Now of course that doesnt apply to you or your friends but there so many things that could go wrong such as a certain type of player as a replacment. A team with 2 thieves and 2 eles and the bunker player dc and then they get another thief. Also the skill cap. Certain players are frontrunners and when they get a lead they dont give it up which could leave the person coming in to getting talked down too because the player they replaced was better.

Sorry though this idea is very creative its a horrible way to take things.

Aomine.5012:

S/D thief, Mediation Guardian, D/D ele say hi to you
Well, with nodes restricting the area of movement, melee have a pretty good chance cleaving the node and hitting foes.

Obviously the d/d ele is a big one to figure out but the other 2 do it with burst attacks and sigil of fire and air. Im really trying to think of a way for melee charactes to have a chance against the range characters.

Like scepter focus eles shouldnt be able to kill someone with 8k with one hit when hes rocking both sigils and a 0-6-0-4-4 build. The same goes with the thief builds as well. The best players in the game also know how to fight you with range and yet prevent you from capping with knock backs /pulls/ and movement impeding skills and the whole time there ranging.

Seriously its not often you see a guardian who uses mace or sword. Currently most warriors are running strictly longbow in fights. Engys are literally all range and the fact that you cant do anythings against nades sucks. Mesmer and ranger are all range with a few skills outside the norm for either speed boost or invulnerability damage.

Atm only d/d eles are good in melee combat vs other classes, im just wondering if other believe good melee pvp players should be reward for catching range characters. If a sword shield warrior with a rifle is able to cripple you switch weapons stun you with the shield and lay down 1-2 melee attacks before you start using your utility skills for vigor and what not. Shouldnt he rewarded for timing and chaining his attacks to lay down a nice combo?

Too many times for me you hit someone with a nice combo and they immediately can use a stun break/run away skill and range you after you knocked them down. There is literally no reason to make a melee character in this game other then invisible thiefs or d/d eles. Not only that, its bad enough that range characters get the same amount of damage/ success rate of the op sigils and they can have 800-1500 range.

I find it nearly impossible for most melee classes without stealth to do any real damage. For instance Warriors hammer and greatsword arent used very much cause your opponent has to let you get in melee range. Thieves get to use invisibility and then therefore use crit backstab with double sigils to do there damage.

So my thought it to limit the sigil or air/fire to 1 per weapon set and just increase the base damage of melee weapons. I mean most classes use range from certain spots as it is. Rangers/mesmers/engys/necros/ele most of the time are sitting on ledges trying to free cast. Like anything with less then 350 range gets a damage boost. Im just wondering what peoples thoughts are on this.

knaive.9075:

Anyway so the general gist of what I’m hearing is that there is no real counter or weakness to Rampage apart from the fact that it’s melee (if you disregard its ranged ability, almost near-immunity to CC, gap closer, and then subsequent CC of its own), and the way to “beat” a rampaging warrior is to dodge, block and blind better; ie, burn all your survival if it wasn’t already on cooldown, and hope you survive the next 20sec. Though this only applies to professions that have those mechanics available to them.

I was hoping for more strategic discussion on how one should go about taking them down, but oh well.

Lol what are you looking for? If you use all your utility skills and he uses ramapage you got out played. Ive seen thieves and mesmers in the 1 vs 1 dueling arenas absolutely destroy rampage in 1 vs 1 situations.

Lastly, you say in this quote what you need to do to beat this. Ive literally taken no damage from a person in rampage by simply using longbow on my warrior. A few times i popped the invulnerability to ensure i didnt get hurt at all. Seriously ive ran into rangers who pop the take no dps and then range it so perfectly to the point they arent in any danger of losing the 1 vs 1.

Everyone here is talking about this vs lich form, lich from takes out many targets in a area because of its range. Rampage can only take out people 1 at a time. Im not really sure what to say because there are so many counters for every class and the fact that your builds cant do dps and condi dmg shows maybe the weakness in your builds especially for solo ques.

If i could share what happened in the fights, i fought a ele 1 vs 1 and when i went rampage he dodged twice and started running around keeping the distance and when i went back to cap the home node he attacked me and ported to a distance away from me. When i got out of rampage i had alot of condi on me and couldnt remove in time and that was it.

The engy i fought 1 vs 1 when he saw me go into rampage use his block skill with shield then went into mini form so i couldnt even hurt him for these 8-10 sec. He then dodged 2 attacks i was able to hit him to bring him to maybe 25% of his life but i had used my zerk stance and my elite skill to try and bring him down and i didnt. He then killed me quickly after.

If you dont see it as some unstoppable force you can see that you can do alot of little things to avoid taking hits from this melee form of dps.

Having played against team risk in the ToL, they best players in the game easily counter rampage. I myself love the elite skill but i also easily beat it. With longbow i first hit him with the skill 5 to get some distance. They will try and close the range because its all melee attacks besides the rock throw which is very obvious. SO dodge the next 2 big attacks. Next you blind and every elite player in the game in 1 vs 1 situations can roll this out against a rampage.

I once faced a guardian who just spammed blind with his next 2 attacks and used his scepter block skill and kept his distance. Im sorry if you struggle with dealing range damage within the circle but the best players in the game can literally stay in the cirlce or right near it to prevent decapping or capping and make rampage a almost non usable skill in 1 vs 1 situations.

Lastly rampage is easily killed with lots of condi damage. So necros,mesmers and thieves have the ability to easily stack condtions on a rampage and these 3 classes shouldnt be standing in the circle to just stand there anyways.

You cant just stand in the circle, you have to be able to do everything well. Fight in the circle/ fight out of the circle/ give support in the right situations. Rampage itself is best used in team fights.

Question how does this dude keep coming here making noise. He wasnt very good and he always ran meta builds and when he lost he blamed everyone else. I recall people telling me when he was on there teams for ANYTHING he would bark orders and if they lost any situation he would cry and tell everyone to L2P.

He keeps coming on the forum and people keep responding, its driving me crazy that a slightly above average player, announces himself as one of the best and chirps like a birdie. Please people let him make his post and ignore

ChoChoBo.6503:

EU and NA brackets, gotta look to the side menu to find NA though.

http://battlefy.com/arenanet/world-tournament-series-invitational-qualifier-cologne/5570cc42e81a10460082ae3f/stage/5570df566514e84800b8de7e/bracket

thank you

I cant seem to find these brackets for the pvp tourney. With 1 team getting DQ im curious to see the american, eu and china brackets. Just wondering if someone knows where i go to find them.

ChoChoBo.6503:

The problem here, is that you’re looking at this as a casual player, these tournaments you’re talking about have CASH prizes to them. Cash prizes attract and are normally meant for serious, hardcore players/teams.

And Anet/GW2 promotes these tournaments heavily, just not in game. For instance, your log-in client will show many of these posts when sign-ups are open, when they are happening and when the post-videos are up to watch. They also promote all these on Twitter and Facebook. It really isn’t hard to find any of these.

Instead of asking to change the competitive/semi-pro tournaments they’re trying to set up. You should ask to see if they’re are non-cash tournaments, which do pop-up from time to time. These are very small and player-run/hosted/created. You could, yourself host one if you wanted something casual.

you are right on most points but i think they should promote a in game type of casual situation for people who might be on the verge. Also a way for casual players to enter into solo tourneys and play with that group for that day as long as they keep winning. Kind of like in gw1, the ability to ask if everyone wants to stay partied for the next match. All in all you might be right but i wouldnt have the time or the ability to set up full tourneys for the casual which is why i brought it up. If im wrong i can accept that and it looks like i might be.

ohhh im saying from a casual perspective, me being someone who wants to do the tourneys i did find them but i have met many people on here who dont read the patch notes and dont check the updates. I know many people who dont even know that this game has a serious pvp team setting out there.

Im just suggesting for the future a way to promote the tourneys through the in game situations also easier ways to find these tourneys. Seriously the wall of champions in hotm has the 2013 list and thats it. Maybe if they had the champ and a match they won in the tourney it would get more interest from teh casual player.

Im sorry but very few people know about these things and how to enter them. The majority of people have no clue when there happening till the last minute or never figure out which ones lead to what.

Hate to bring it up but in gw1 you could watch some pvp matches. To me you should be able to watch the the 4 matches in china and the 4 matches from boston so anybody in game can watch some of the best players from each region. Also we should be able to read and see info on how to enter and compete in these matches. The EsL cup weeklys are a bit much if you ask me. Alot of us have jobs that would prevent us from playing every week or at the certain times. The people i know when we entered the ToL recently 2 of them took a day off from work to do it. Having the opportunity to compete for the CHAMPIONSHIP imo shouldnt be depended on a monthly long ranking system. Let the best play the best and winning teams compete again for the final spot.

There are alot of people who might want to get into something like team oriented games but they have no clue how to even find it. Its not like the weekly tournaments are on the updates and it doesnt share the time of when the teams should be ready. These things have to be found by the people playing the game, even in the top right of the game announcing stuff is a bit confusing to people when they click on it and there is no stream or video of todays events.

Id like to note me and my friends love joining these things because it gives us a reason to play the game for longer then dailies and a time for all of us to be on at the same time but its a problem when stuff like weekly tournaments and monthly qualifiers arent on the front page of the pvp page on the website/ in the game/ updates.

Maybe im mistaken and its easier then i thought and im just a knuckled head when it comes to finding this stuff. I just feel that your not making the info easily available to the pvp community in the game.

Fluffball.8307:

kdaddy.5431:

where are you going to train, seriously what boxer can you name is wrecking all around fighters? MMA has shown that guys like cung le, anderson silver and mirco cro crop absolutely destroy 1 dimensional fighters.

Which brings up my next point, they earned there black belts threw training and hard work. It doesnt mean there the best fighter but the fact is they put there work in to earn it. Someone coming of the streets might be able to beat them but guess what take the best 4 players you know and go up against the abjured, cunning stunts, radioactive, apex and etc and the result would be the same as you fighting a pro champion mma fighter who holds a title for what he does.

Most players will lose to the tournament teams because the tournament teams don’t care about titles and show how good they are… in tournaments.

Pro MMA fighters don’t care about blackbelts, many of them don’t even hold a rank at all. And your average tough guy with no training will destroy your average TKD or karate black belt.

Titles are fake. If you want people to know you’re good at something, be good at something.

Your comments are based on nothing, seriously nothing. You say most mma fighters dont care which is bull since most of these guys brag about being a brown belt in grace BJJ as well as people like ronda rousey being a black belt and a bronze medalist in judo as well as daniel cormeir being a olympic medalist in wrestling. Also Gsp started MA in what thats right karate as well as lyota machida. Joe rogan and mike greenberg talk all the time of these guys backround with martial arts and who they worked with. Guys from holland who worked with ernesto hoost, american kickboxers who worked with jerry trimble, guys like carlos condit training in china wish the monks.

You said you did MA for decades and say people walking in on the streets were beating people like you and others you know which shows the problem there is not 1 person who has been playing this game for 1 month who is gonna beat a player been playing this game since pre.

Lastly since your comments are horrible and are based on nothing, how did kimbo do against pro fighters? How about brett rodgers vs a old fedor? Its the very same thing here, the best players in th egame deserve recognition for time played/ games won/ tourneys won/ etc etc. Your comments all around are horrible and are just your opinion yet you act like there facts. All in all i find you to be a keyboard warrior at this point.

Fluffball.8307:

I just keep coming back to this thread… People needing some sort of visual proof they’re better than everyone else because they can’t just prove it with their skills like everyone else. Ha!

I’ve been training in martial arts for a couple decades and you see this all the time. The traditional guys with their black belts get all uppity when a boxer with 6 months training wrecks them in sparring. Cuz titles don’t matter, it’s the PvP match/ring/cage whatever that matters.

where are you going to train, seriously what boxer can you name is wrecking all around fighters? MMA has shown that guys like cung le, anderson silver and mirco cro crop absolutely destroy 1 dimensional fighters.

Which brings up my next point, they earned there black belts threw training and hard work. It doesnt mean there the best fighter but the fact is they put there work in to earn it. Someone coming of the streets might be able to beat them but guess what take the best 4 players you know and go up against the abjured, cunning stunts, radioactive, apex and etc and the result would be the same as you fighting a pro champion mma fighter who holds a title for what he does.

Ok so after some 4k matches in ranked maps ive decided the past couple days to do unranked matched mostly to do courtyard. I love this map and enjoy doing it. Also i enjoy the orb map, not a fan of skyhammer but ill leave it at that. Heres the problem i had i spent maybe 2-3 hrs playing pvp and i didnt get 1 courtyard match.

I would like to suggest that unranked be for stronghold, courtyard, orb and skyhammer and ranked gets the other maps. I might as well of should of played in rank since i didnt get to play the map i wanted to and its not like i was the only one voting for it. It was getting at least 3 everytime and one time it got 7 and i still didnt get the death match.

I was losing my mind with the fact that im doing the ranked maps in unranked. I feel this is also spreading the players out to much. Anyways i just gave up and decided i wasnt gonna get to play courtyard, it be nice in the future if you can give the map more chances of play being all ranked maps are getting voted for in unranked.

I disagree with the 5 vs 5 being the problem, this is the most fun ive had in pvp matches across all the mmos i have played. Also i dont know how many games you have played but the afk and player leaving thing for me is like 1-2 matches a day out of 10-15 so i dont find that to be a big deal either. Also the 10 vs 10 there is a platform to do 10 vs 10 and its in WvW so all you got to do is transfer to a server thats tier 2-3.

I agree that there is a certain type of builds people play because its the meta but you see the elite players making so called not meta builds super op but thats just cause there that much better. I would appreciate them limiting people to 1 burst of fire and air and not both.

HAHAHA i have thought about it but i know myself and i really enjoyed this game for a long time. The thing is if i start another game i probably wont come back to this game for like 2-3 years. In gw1 i was death leveling to get to 20 in pre and i killed the joy in the game and i didnt come back to gw1 till after i saw they announced gw2.

Im really hoping they announce something cause as you guys pointed out people leave and come back all the time which in my opinion kills the community a little bit.

this is my 2 cents and i know theres a expansion coming out and all these changes but just something i feel needs to be said as frustrated player. Theres nothing wrong with the builds design or the traits. There is something wrong with the goals for players.

There is nothing bringing people back and keeping them in the game. Getting to dragon rank is now easy, getting champion titles is easy, and after that there is nothing left. The state of pvp is drowning with daily reward earners and then taking off to do what ever. Adding new maps and build scenarios wont change the problem of after a few months of doing pvp theres no reason to stay other then its fun, complex and competitive.

People have suggested new game modes such as capture the flag, new maps for dm and thats great. I know outside sources are doing a great job with weekly tourneys but you have to make it available for those who either dont know alot of people or not willing to try and get 5 people who have the time to practice and the same time.

IMO there needs to be daily in game tourneys and instead of the ladder maybe leagues. Also upgrading the hotm area, the wall of champions still has who on them?

Ultimately with the time off of no new content i see the pvp area as a area full of afkers yaking over nothing with many not having anything to do with the hotm being completely neglected. I hope the expansion works wonders but as of now im wondering whats going to become of the pvp future.

Curunen.8729:

Liam McColgan.7689:

It really annoys me when you get idiots saying ‘omg why do you care, rank means nothing’ crap.
So why even post that? It’s hypocritical. If you don’t think people should be caring, don’t post said opinion. It’s pointless and a pretty brain-dead thing to do.

But for the others, who created this post and agree…..i feel for you.

No matter what people say, most of us play an MMO because its social, competitive (lol), and for the self fulfilment and bragging rights. No matter what game it is (CS, LoL, FiFa, DOTA, WoW, SC), people play online pvp to compete and have bragging rights over their fellow gamers. If you didnt care, you’d probably be playing a solo RPG like Witcher etc. Thats why nearly every MMO has titles, ranks, achievements, gear to aspire towards. To play an MMO and get good, a certain time investment is needed. Now most don’t mind investing that time because you get rewarded for it through said titles/ranks etc to show a) you are a veteran of the game and/or b) you have skill in a certain class/area/mode of the game.

If people were not competitive or concerned about their online egos, there would be no ESL or esports.

That’s your opinion and personally I don’t agree with this one point – I play because I enjoy the combat and having unpredictable human players as opponents. Of course it’s more fun to win, but that’s not the sole reason for playing.

You don’t get that unpredictability in single player games – and this is the reason pve in gw2 is also boring because enemy AI is predictable. There’s not many single player games where the enemy AI is good enough that you can play repetitively for a long time without getting bored.

The only “flair” I care about are skins which look good. I grind AP because I love the zenith skins. I grind gold because I like some of the expensive weapon skins. I don’t care whether another player thinks it’s prestigious or not.

Ranks still unlock finishers which provide new players an incentive to log on and spend time in pvp.

I understand your stance and the many who say who shouldnt be about ranks. There needs to be something to say about end goal in games. For the many after being bumped up to 80 and the fact that hrs and hrs were spent in matches/ tourneys felt cheated. Also being lvl since the patch bump, there has really been nothing for me to do in the game. Im not working towards anything, to be honest of my friends and guild members from the game they literally log on and maybe do a daily and leave.

Titles should mean something, playing the game and doing certain things should mean something. ANET took it away the day the bump happened. You can buy legendary s and get skins from buying gems and have tons of gold from farming. When the game first came out they gave us glory and pvp skins. They left the old pvp community in a complete confusion with many of us saying well if they were gonna make it so easy why didnt they do it earlier?

To end it all i understand people saying who cares about ranks but i would like for you to see it from the other side. The fact people needed 250,000 glory to level from 60-61 and the fact shark and phoenix finishers use to mean something. The Maruder/gladiator/ etc titles use to mean something. Today for many of us we go about the game in a daze because we enjoy the game but have nothing to work towards that is pvp related.

Ohhhh ok thanks i watched the break down of the bracket and for me its so hard remembering these guys names and what team there from is hard. You also had older players return from Little People Big world and booty bakery.

I wished we could of seen the scores and the points of the matches and to seee who did what in the match. My team played the cunning stunts and they rolled us and it was eye openly funny.

Question, was the dankening in it but went by a different name? Also i didnt see OE or Zoose in this tourney or am i mistaken?

thanks for posting where we could watch the matches i couldnt find where to go either

choovanski.5462:

http://youtu.be/90L5Rw1YdwQ
Example of good defiant stance use. Condi dmg to health would be a nice addition to the skill, but it’s still a hard to use heal. BlackTruth really is the only person I’ve seen to make the heal work, hopefully he inputs something of use here.

Regardless surge and mending are getting buffed by being transformed into a shout and physical skill respectively. I will be running surge on my shout warrior when the patch hits, and 16sec cd mending with the new physical skills buffs should bring zerker warrior back. I’m so pumped for the warrior changes I don’t care about the elite specification.

Its a nice vid and thanks for sharing but he knew the builds he was facing and knew when he wanted to use it. Which wouldnt be the case in 5 vs 5 random/tourney style.

sidenote they were funny

Random Weird Guy.3528:

kdaddy.5431:

Im sorry but when using a warrior i have only found 2 of its 4 healing skills useful on a couple of different builds ive tried

Beats the 1 viable healing skill that necros, engis, mesmers and guards have.

necro has minion master heal and feast on conditions for different builds and i dont use necro and also i engy have elixer and turret engy. I know a few people who use full elixer builds that work great. Mesmer builds can work with any of there healing if traited correctly for it or there play style. Warrior its heal sig for all of them. My friend has to run 0-0-6-6-2 and runs the banner for regen to trade off the heal sig for more condi removal.

ohhhh i see them but i assume that everyone is at least using one of the 2 since they made it so you can use both at the same time, got to watch out for people dodge rolling into you

choovanski.5462:

kdaddy.5431:

dude it looks like you just got outplayed

lol… you know who Orange Logo are right…

I do, it doesnt mean he isnt getting lazy or using a build that doesnt work. My favorite class is warrior and if i use a utility skills warrior and say im done with this game because the skills i like for my class are absolutely useless in pvp, what are you going to say to me?

If you look at the list he getting his with some normal attacks and we also dont know the dmg hes putting out or the cleansing hes trying to use in those moments. If OE came on here right now to say he full of it would we stop and say OE can say what ever he wants?

No you take each situation as its own and look at the facts given and make your assumption on what happened. This dude could be the best gw2 player ever but maybe hes just frustrated with the passive play style of dmg in the game. Him showing the dmg of attacks for *X k dmg doesnt help anything.

Ok i was trying some new things out and i thought wow it might be a cool stance build with it and i could run some sourd of dps build with it. Naw i couldnt really use this heal for anything.

It says that all incoming attacks heal for this *X amount of time and here was the situation. Me and other player were holding a point vs 2 nade engys and a necro. I thought it be perfect to use my heal skill when i got down a bit and cleanse the condi and use the skill. So i attempted it and it was a horrible fail.

I gained the almost 2k health instantly but they started restacking the condi damage and i healed for no more amount. I went from 6k to 8 k health on a healing skill thats suppose to give me health from incoming attacks. I personally feel that it shouldnt make you invulnerable to conditions but what ever condition damage it would of given you should be heals.

Im sorry but when using a warrior i have only found 2 of its 4 healing skills useful on a couple of different builds ive tried and i feel this healing skill in particular should be looked at.

Thank you

i won a match today where they were 4-1 and we were 5 solos and we won like 500-300 so it goes both ways. The system is to make it as fair as possible. People come in here and cry about solo vs solo only but people complained then too and everyone will continue to complain when they lose. All i can suggest is either getting a really good group people to make other players better or to find people to play with.

Running solo thief and mesmer builds and coming here to talk about how they lost 8 games in a row isnt a real accurate way of seeing how the matches went.

they were awesome when it took 250k glory to level up, now every smuck in the game has at least a shark finisher

dude it looks like you just got outplayed

I would actually like to see maybe 2 leaderboards, i feel there should be some monthly leader board for the grinders. They enjoy grinding games and they should be rewarded for that and i also feel there should be a leaderboard for the elite players of the game.

LIke they should have to play at least 10 games a week to be on the board and those who have the highest skill level on 1 board and a board for the players with the most points from the current lb

i dont have a problem with the premade thing cause it doesnt mean there good. I do have a problem with putting really good players with really poor players.

For instance today i had a thief whos build was all over the place, he tried fighting 1 vs 1 at mid and lost it and when he came to help me and a turret engy at far i realized he did no dmg. He was also the downed when we had the 3 vs 2 advantage.

Another example is i was in a match yesterday where me a ranger and thief took mid in a 3 vs 1 i told them to help home and they didnt. They sat at mid with me and when the zerg from far came they targeted them first, they didnt move to the corners or place them themselves in a good spot. They both died immediately, they both told me they didnt need my help and i replied i didnt say you needed my help. I said you play poorly in a 5 vs 5 setting. So we ended up losing far,mid and home was lost in the 1 vs 1 which is fine. I never blame people for losing a fight but i hate when people who dont understand there role/strength in a team fight/ weakness in a team fight which is what people with low mmr are.

For me that is far more infuriating, its like have wilt chamberlain and shaq oneal battling at the center position with high school kids surrounding them in a playoff game.