im not for them nerfing ele into the ground. Ive always ran staff ele and at no point has staff ele been the top of builds to play. D/D ele for some reason has gotten everything and i would just like to bring them back into place.
The thing that bothers me the most and everyone knew d/d got everything in this last patch. The havent done anything about the amount of blinds/burns some builds put out by simply just smashing there face into the keyboard. D/D ele puts constant blinds and burns on people without any change of play style. The most i can put on someone is 7 by pressing 3 for 2 burns dodge rolling into them for 2 and using cleansing ire. I cant stack anymore but you get 2 d/d eles and they put up the fire field at the same time in perfect spots on a point and bam there is 12 stacks on you if your not paying attention. I ranted a bit here but i really hope they dont kill eles because they couldnt fix d/d.
The only way to deal with these situations is by winning and acting like the bigger person.
Twice today i had some trash talking aimed my direction.
First on is this thief heading to my home on temple and he gets the decap and i get in there to prevent him from capping. I cap it while were facing off 1 vs 1 and he eventually wins. After he wins he says a few things like L2P and dont lose to a thief, your a bad warrior. They were up about 150 pts at this point and he threw some trash talking to a fellow guild mate of mine after he beat him 1 vs 1. Well it ended up we won trang and stillness fights and came back to win. At the end we said GG thief and there was no response. Felt good to me and my guild mate.
2nd one today we were blowing out this team and 1 warrior on the other team started raggin on his team mates and saying stuff like anet i can only carry so much. I responded with “what makes you think your so great?” He ended up in 2, 2 vs 2 situations against me and another person and lost both times. He began to say i was a garbage warrior and after the match he was whispering me to come 1 vs 1 him. I responded with im better then you theres no need. He went on a bit screaming different things at me. I responded with i beat you when it matters which is in the match, have fun. He didnt whisper me after that.
But i agree with you this happens way to much where people are just ugly and there is no punishment for the childish behavior.
Cele mesmer is currently not “best for any situation”
Ive seen more and more cele mesmers, whether or not its a good thing, i no its a copy cat from something. I will have to watch some of the Ag/ESL tourneys to see why but im seeing and hearing from more and more people who do it.
I dont know what the expansion does for the change of PvP but this meta is turning alot into the last one.
What made this new meta so exciting was the idea that combination builds were potentially back in place. Builds making other builds better but a few things have happened. Celestial and Vamp rune combo has changed it.
Ive noticed alot more cele builds dominating again. I saw a cele mesmer who could hold a point better then i could and i want to say he was running rune of the undead with cele ammy. He had a torch and staff and another build is the guardians with vamp rune and cele ammy. Running scepter and mace focus and we come back to the problem again.
Were coming back around to strong individual builds. Cele necro with signets, cele d/d eles with vamp rune, thiefs with vamp rune, guardians with cele ammy and vamp rune, mesmers with cele ammy and the problem is there isnt counters to these.
To me alot of creative builds and combinations are dead since these builds are simply better for every situation. The bunker guard with the dps warrior isnt being used as much. There hasnt been a use of a combination for like a wells necro or a dps melee characters in general. What vamp rune does is allows characters to escape dps damage and heal. With characters like thief,mesmer,ele and guardians where they have uinque skills that can change fights, it makes alot of other classes unusable. The thief can goes mist form pops a invisibility skill and gets out of combat and heals-(mesmer same thing) ele goes mist form can escape and with d/d they can literally out run any class in the game with the most boons in the game. Guardians arent as good as these classes since they cant run but still a cele vamp rune guardian has enough condi removal with condi/dps dmg to out do other classes. The ability to stacks burns and be invulnerable to dmg with renewed focus and shelter helps them so much if there going to lose a fight and go mist form- heal and then steal life from you which is a triple whammy. Its just a cheap way to get out of fights since there not traited for it and classes ability to heal and run make some players in the game impossible to kill at times.
I dont know what the fix is but were back to a meta where individual sustain that can put out decent damage is whats best for solo queing and team comps. This is just my opinion though.
ummm you do realize that alot of people have spent $200 for GW2 and the HOT expansion and you want F2P players to have the ability to have everything? Players who paid money for the game have to earn these things aswell by making gold in the game and earning certain tracks lines.
Im sorry but people who havent put a dime in the game shouldnt get everything the people who paid for it do.
Im sorry but alot of players held a 60+ win % in team que in the last ladder and a few of them were constantly playing premades. Solo que wont fix your problems in pvp
1- Reliable Streaming Platforms for top players, giving gw2 more viewers. ?
2- Breeding and practice ground for future competitive players. ?
3- Giving new players a glance of were they stand and how much they can improve. ?
4- Something to do for people who like to PvP with a tight schedule. (Some of us have lives) ?Solo Queue needs to happen, ASAP.
solo que was never fast, at the end there people either had 15 min + que times or the yolo qued.
Ummmm im sorry but alot of people came on here when solo que was dying showing the insane que times. Bringing back solo que solves nothing.
i have to say Blu was my favorite caster to listen too. No offense to anyone else, jebro was a close second even if hes from Eu
Another thing is making mesmer unable to use there shatter skills when stone or knocked down would be awesome. Nothing like catching a mesmer after he dodges twice, uses sword skill, blast blindness and uses distortion shatter. When i finally catch the mesmer with a stun/knock down or knock back they use distortion shatter and then escape. It bit unreal for anyone trying to be a melee class.
Lastly buff the ranger just a bit. Pet or in base attacks.
Mesmers don’t get stability for a reason.
Mesmers are also a mid range duelist (devs statement). Coming in close is only for bursts before duking out again and kiting. You’re wanting to lock and shut the mesmer down in close range, Why? because that’s where a Mesmer dies. Sorry, Mesmers tools are there to allow him to survive and get away again. Clones and shattering are also integral to the Mesmers offense and defense.
How about some pro tips?
- Kill the clones/phants, undermining the Mesmers damage and shatter effectivness. Melee cleave is great at this.
- Equip a ranged weapon and pressure the Mesmer if he wants to sit out of reach. I know, amazing concept, it works!
it was a suggestion i felt i needed to do. I currently run signets so either way is fine for me since i apply confusion and blindness on use of signet. Im just point some things out ive notice really frustrates people who are soling matching vs mesmers. Currently alot of blinds,condi dmg, with alot of invulnerabilites. If mesmers are super against it im fine with it but i feel we shouldnt nerf condi dmg for that exact reason.
You talk about throwing tips out there and you got all these people calling for nerfs on condi like burns and getting rid of cele ammy because d/d eles are op. Your destroying a huge aspect of the game. It would be impossible as a burst condi guardian/warrior/thief to catch a mesmer if they were to nerf condi and allow for mesmers to spam f-4 along with all the blinds/invisbility/invulnerability.
Side note on the bleeds and psn condi dmg, i feel that there in a good place since many of these classes can apply so much of it. For instance rangers have traps that can pulse with a spider pet and get up to 15 stacks of psn easy with 7-12 stacks of bleeding. Where as many other classes have to do 1 condi at a time unless traited a special way.
Sounds so much fun. Maybe they could buff burn damage and remove clones/phantasms from mesmers or make it so that they are unable to shatter when targeted by a guardian.
why would it be a bad idea for memsers to not use shatters F1-F4 skills when stunned or knocked down? Every other class has to use a stun breaker but not mesmers. Maybe this is something unique for mesmers.
Reducing the sustain of certain classes would make mesmers even more op atm. Right now ele/thieves/mesmers are the elite of tournaments and simply reducing ele dmg would force teams to run something else.
Im really hoping you dont reduce burn dmg anet. Burn guardrians for once is usable in PvP. Also the only problem people are having is the ring of fire D/D eles have and them running back and forth threw it.
A -1 to d/d fire skills in ring of fire and drakes breath to me is where we should start.
Another thing is making mesmer unable to use there shatter skills when stone or knocked down would be awesome. Nothing like catching a mesmer after he dodges twice, uses sword skill, blast blindness and uses distortion shatter. When i finally catch the mesmer with a stun/knock down or knock back they use distortion shatter and then escape. It bit unreal for anyone trying to be a melee class.
Lastly buff the ranger just a bit. Pet or in base attacks.
the 3 things I would have liked:
1. Warrior buffs
2. Thief buffs
3. A free pizza.
no ranger buffs and what kind of pizza?
Are we talking tournament wise or just for ranked/unranked matches? When i run a premade with some guild friends we run 2 thieves. We run 3 bunkers with 2 thieves.
We do a MM necro, Staff ele, and a d/d ele and when we are team speak it goes pretty smoothly against pugs. When we face other premades the matches are obviously much closer but once again this all comes down to skill level.
Thief is probably the hardest class to be good at in this game. With that you have to know there either gonna be great help or be the weak link. You can say the same thing about rangers atm as well.
lol i dont think anything is wrong with ele. Some tiny things change and there put back into place. I use to think that there blinds needed a timer but i would like small changes first. So if we tone down the amount of stacks D/D ele can apply with burns, i think thats a great starting place for them.
Do you not enjoy basketball? GW2 is like the NBA but your like a soccer player who only want to be on this side of the field with very little scoring.
Also alot of this sounds like your losing 1 vs 1. I dont know how you blame the game for this. You get 2 dodges and 1 more if you use the sigil. You have stated you use necro which means you should probably have 3 fears. Also you should have chill which should make it easier to dodge said skills.
Lastly no skilled involved? If thats the case why cant you just jump on a warrior and do the same? Especially since most people are going with sustain builds. Another question i have is have you tried a MM necro? It takes a awhile for them to die to anything.
For the new patch i would of liked to see that mesmers couldnt use there shatter skills if stunned or knockdown. To many times ive caught the mesmer and the smash the F4 button and then they move away with the staff 2 skills or the sword 2 skill. If they use a utility skill to get away thats perfectly fine but this is one thing that annoys me.
D/D ele skills ring of fire reduced from 3 to 2. Then drakes breath reduced from 4 to 3. Ive always ran staff ele and my skill 3 fire burn applies 2 and the 4 skill applies 1. Ive always found that odd.
Lastly for rangers pets to have increased stats so they do a little bit more of everything.
im sorry but i dont see the big deal. Everyone always assumes team speak and other things when premade. Me and my guild mates usually arent on TS because we got kids and there asleep.
Also been running with a group in a 5 man premade and on team speak. We have lost to 5 solo que players and the smack talk they send our way is like wow. Then we face another 5 man solo and we crush them and they scream the we shouldnt have to face premades.
Id just like to say i just want good matches and the 5 man teams dont matter to me. Its all about a competitive fun game. If i lose 7 and win 3 it wouldnt matter if every game was fun.
UMMMMM THIS IS A JOKE
Im sorry but did you watch this years WTS when the ORNG beat the abjured? They double killed the beast and and got a double decapped after being triple capped. Then once again there triple capped and they go for lord get it and get a cap. Are you serious right now?
No matter what sport it is the competition determines the enjoyment of the games. For instance people outside the U.S dont like american football yet thats our countrys favorite sport. You talked about the nba and guess what no one liked watching the spurs dominate cleveland by 15 pts every game in the finals.
Lastly not knowing whats going on is a big one. Most people who play PvP can see what skills are being used but random people watching might not know. Same thing applies in every sport. Why is that not a carry or double dribble? So your not allowed to hit the QB anywhere besides the stomach or its a penalty but every other player is getting crushed?
Saying you dont enjoy it just means its not your sport, i dont like soccer but i love the NBA and i really enjoy GW2 PvP.
The main differences between GW1 and GW2 ele are many. I used an ele in gw1 for at least 7 years, that game in terms of balance, fun and general design direction..will remain uncontested, it was a game designed with the old idea of MMO in mind, basically it was not designed to be a casual game.
The design differences between gw1 and gw2 ele are like night and day, the base design of the gw2 ele is the most awful idea I ever seen in a videogame, they tried to be cool, innovative..but they failed on every possible level
At this point any kind of change will amount to nothing as the core idea of the class is a total failure
It’s great to talk with a GW1 vet, it’s refreshing talking to an actual MMO player !
LOL im sorry but after playing WOW and CHAMPIONS ONLINE, with a few other games. GW1 was not up to par PvP with those games and actually all GW1 had over the over MMOs is great story telling and lore.
I actually quit playing GW1 to play Diablo 2 ladder,(nothing but grinding levels and gear) Please understand a majority of people dont like the trinity system.
Im not really sure what your looking for, if you run a pure dps warrior with greatsword and mace shield. I know a few people who run it and drop bunker guards/d-d ele/cele necro very quickly.
these players are also elite level players when it comes to there dodges and blocks. Also i run a power/condi warrior and though im not as successful against necros and eles i drop bunker gaurdians pretty quickly.
Also you just seem to be upset that eles are the universal jack of all trades class. I can understand your frustration but in the 5 vs 5 situation there just a little better then everyone else. Not necessarily op but still enough for people to feel its too easy.
I think because this game is not trinity people feel they shouldnt be forced into a type of role but the roles are still there.
Thieves and mesmers need to be fighting off point and more support and i think what bugs people is that d/d ele especially have as much speed as a thief, just as tanky as a guardian and can put out enough dmg to sway team fights. Obviously this is huge but it is simply 1 class and 1 weapon set.
Lastly if i may state, this forum and community is all over the place. 1/2 say the dmg is too high. 1/2 say the bunkers are too strong. the you get the post about condi removal and condi dmg going both ways.
In my honest opinion the few things that need to be fixed are the small bugs that keep happening. Some very tiny nerfs to d/d ele dmg and mesmers ability to blind and distort people.
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alright cool, if thats how people play mesmer and thief i can accept that. Im just wondering about the people free shooting though.
I thank you for the feed back and what your saying for 2 vs 2 situations and the process you go threw. I might have tunnel vision on this so i accept being wrong but i felt it was crazy to leave me in a 2 vs 2 when i can fight on the point and the thief or mesmer could of been fighting the engy or ranger free shooting me. Also my friend was at mid in a 2 vs 2 and on legacy isnt this where mesmers have a advantage in range and in invisibility?
Alright i guess im ready to drop my thoughts on it, thanks for the insight
Im seriously a bit confused about your responses. Im playing warrior and my friend is playing MM necro. We both fight on the cap points to hold and prevent the capping for the other team. You guys are sitting here telling me its ok if your a thief and/or mesmer to leave me to fight these 2 people on my own?
I refer to rangers and engys sitting from the edges free casting and you say for thiefs and mesmers its good for them to leave?
Me and my friend were winning every 1 vs 1 match up which is why we were in the games and your telling me that a mesmer/thief cant help at all with dps against a enemy?
The best part about your responses is you name your own situations to say its ok to leave. How can you help a team if all your good for is outnumbering fights? When you enter those AG and ESL tournaments the most important thing is winning all the even fights no matter the classes.
Also to chase, you dont know my MMR and there is no basis to what your saying.
I just want to get a few honest opinions on whether or not it’s worth it to max out/keep working on my ranger for PvP?
I feel like rangers are extremely useless and outclassed in every aspect in PvP. At first I figured I was just probably bad at PvP, but I tried sPvP with my level 31 warrior and dominated a few games without even knowing my build.
Has anyone had real success with rangers? Or should I move on to a different class? I really love rangers, but it’s just not fun being outclassed in every game.
If you go watch AG week 29 i think, there is a ranger on the team who wins the tourney. A necro from the abjured is helping with the play by play and they make jokes about the ranger being there but the dude rocks it out. He played great support with his range and took out the mesmer and then he was able to hold his own vs a d/d ele on a cap point. So if you play it right there should be nothing stopping you.
Good Luck
Yet this same team lost to abjured in a later ESL even when abjured had a sub that week. Hiro is a great player and I’m not saying Ranger is unviable, but it’s certainly suboptimal in this meta and that’s probably why we’ll never see it truly compete on the same level as ele or mesmer until things change for rangers.
that is terrible logic, are you telling me no one should play anything but 2 d/d eles, 1 necro, 1 thief and 1 engy?
Seriously they won 2 out of the 3 wts and i dont think losing to them is anything to be upset about.
Lets just state the facts, there is a ranger on a esl team and he isnt the weak point of the team. Is he the best player? Well hes definitely not the only reason there losing. So can someone use ranger at a high level to answer the person original question? The answer is yes. Saying rangers arent used very often in high end PvP in GW2 is doodoo. Please name me 5 elite level necros and the answer is you cant. Maybe personal skill is some what attached to this but guess what i saw this ranger play and I can tell hes at a elite level regardless of how most people feel about the class.
Ok thanks good to know, its happening so much now im getting completely frustrated.
Literally just now i was in a match with the same friend and we had a warrior quit playing because he couldnt do anything. We were winning at this point and he said this is B******** and ran off from a 2 vs 1. He didnt do enough dmg to hurt the guardians and he couldnt survive for 10 sec in 1 vs 2 fights.
So because he quit our other warrior quit, the score was 280 to about 320 and they just quit. And we were winning 275-250 earlier in the match, this expansion better come quick cause this is getting silly dumb.
I just want to get a few honest opinions on whether or not it’s worth it to max out/keep working on my ranger for PvP?
I feel like rangers are extremely useless and outclassed in every aspect in PvP. At first I figured I was just probably bad at PvP, but I tried sPvP with my level 31 warrior and dominated a few games without even knowing my build.
Has anyone had real success with rangers? Or should I move on to a different class? I really love rangers, but it’s just not fun being outclassed in every game.
If you go watch AG week 29 i think, there is a ranger on the team who wins the tourney. A necro from the abjured is helping with the play by play and they make jokes about the ranger being there but the dude rocks it out. He played great support with his range and took out the mesmer and then he was able to hold his own vs a d/d ele on a cap point. So if you play it right there should be nothing stopping you.
Good Luck
I really like where eles are right now. I actually think if the put a longer set time on blinds in the game in general we wouldnt have so many problems. Like a fight vs a mesmer/ele/guardian things go insane with miss and invulnerable. If we just put a system in where you can only be blinded once every 20 sec, bam things might be put back in balance.
Ok in theory im loving the new changes coming up but today i got hit hard. Me and a friend were partied and did some matches. We get a game with a thief who who was in the mid circle every time in the legacy map. There are engys throwing nades and rangers sitting at the top of the edge. Im playing warrior with hammer and shield and sword. My friend is rolling a MM necro and this thief is in the middle of the circle getting dropped instantly all game. We also have a mesmer who left every even fight, if it was 2 vs 2 get ready for you to be alone in a 1 vs 2.
Best part of this is we get this mesmer 2 more straight games and he complains about rotations, are you serious? We had all 3 cap points and he ran away from a 3 vs 3 and when we lost the fight he was at mid and it immediately got decapped. From this point we were doubled capped the whole way. All 3 of these matches were on legacy and on your paper anet these might of looked like good matches being we scored over 350 in all 3 matches. Me and my friend dont believe these are.
Which brings me to the upcoming system. If im to get to the higher ranks where i can lose points for losing matches, is there going to be a better system in place? Im usually not one to complain about MM since you win some and lose some but we had 3 straight matches with people who we werent sure they knew what they were doing.
Maybe im wrong and thieves are suppose to kill the target were going for instead of killing the players on the ledges free shooting us as we hold the cap point. Maybe mesmers shouldnt help in team fights. If thats the case ill take my cake back and eat it but if im right and this is the match making people will get. I for one will be very upset if there are unique skins at the higher tier levels and i cant get them, im wondering what im suppose to do in this case?
Yea I can see it now. Bunkers bunkers and more bunkers. How exciting.
As opposed to what we have now? WTS winners 3 cele + 1 soldier amulet? Logic! 3v3s would probably have teams run coordinated burst builds because… you know there’s no point to have to bunker on! Area denial bruisers like the insanely strong DD Ele would have way less impact because there’s no area to deny!
3v3s would, in a sense, grow this tiny, laughable competitive scene! 15 people can only form 3 conquest teams but 5 arena teams!
I’d list more positives but Anet has already shut this idea down! So whatevs!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
yeah cause the wts team only had 4 players and why dont you name the other builds people had from tcg and ORNG who beat the abjured and put them in the losers bracket.
Also the very team who beat the WTS team in boston and in cologne had a bunker guardian, lets listen more to a person who picks and chooses small portions of facts to support his case instead of telling the whole story.
i find it funny since it feels like a easy fix. Reduce fire dmg by 10% and then on d/d eles have there ring of fire go from 3 stacks to 2.
reasons for this is bad players can spam the ring and then other bad players roll threw back and forth. Also you dont want to kill burn builds for the guardian,staff ele and condi ranger. Also with the way mesmers and thieves are we dont want the meta to change to them being op again. For me this would make it so easy to fix.
wow really? rampage is a L2P thing. Why cant you just chill him and out run him. Or in the case of a mesmer or thief just out move him? guardian has shelter and 2 dodge rolls and then 1 block and your done. What are you doing in pvp? Do you just stand there and say hey he shouldnt hit me?
While I’m not advocating for another Rampage nerf, you’re arguments are a bit flawed.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rampage
-33% towards Chill, Cripple, and Immobilize.
Rampage also applies perma-Swiftness.http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dogged_March
Another -33% reduction towards Chill, Cripple, and Immobilize.
Applying these conditions doesn’t really help you out-run a Rampage Warrior that has perma-Swiftness and a Leap. As a class with high mobility you can totally do it, but play on a Necro and try to run away by applying Chill; it’s not going to end well.
Its why necros at high levels use plague and then all you do is press the 2 button.
Let me pick a class and simply put down how they can beat rampage
mesmer- invisibility, port, distortion or moa
thief-shadows step, invisibility,blindness
guardian- 1 of the million blocks and invulnerability it has
engy- going mini. shield for blocking, using the moa elixer(seriously a tool belt skills nerfs warriors elite)
ele-doesnt need explained
warrior- double endure the pain, shield for blocks
Necro- plague elite
ranger- though this class is harder but you have the invulnerability signet, block from GS, pet takes damage, (also if you run traps say good bye to the rampage warrior)
I dont know what else you want, Ramapage duration time reduced, damage reduced, stability reduced, attack range for 2 of the skills is please be right in front of me and your still not finding a way to win. Seriously the warrior unless shoutbow has some of the longest cool downs in the game and there is no attempt by the other players in the game to ajust. Seriously i didnt even mention the 2 dodges you get for the very obvious attacks coming your way.
they have servers you can set that up in
wow really? rampage is a L2P thing. Why cant you just chill him and out run him. Or in the case of a mesmer or thief just out move him? guardian has shelter and 2 dodge rolls and then 1 block and your done. What are you doing in pvp? Do you just stand there and say hey he shouldnt hit me?
hey pvp aside i hope things go great for ya
I play in both regions so this is my unbiased take on this matter:
top EU pvpers seem to have a stronger camaraderie and generally liked by EU players
top NA seem to be more flaky, have more drama, more emotional and limited interaction with the rest of NA players
It seems that Helseth and ROM really do have loyal following. I know Ostrich Eggs also had a following and the pugs in his team looked up to him when he solo queued. He was chatty and friendly while being extraordinary
Dude i can not tell you how crazy people got when OE was on there team. It was crazy, people would whisper me and take screen prints of OE being on there team or fighting him. Not to mention when the Abjured lost the 1st round vs the ORNG every comment to the right of the screen had some sourd of OE reference.
I think it would be great for the NA scene if he came back with a good team to compete. He definitely has alot of respect from the NA community for what ever reason.
Eu has from what ive seen 3-4 teams who compete at a very high level. Where as NA only has 1 but i think teams like team risk and 1-2 others of ours are really good. Also its there opinion and theres nothing wrong with it. It creates a competitive atmosphere between the elite teams.
Anet seriously needs to upgrade the teams to the top 8 teams instead of a losers bracket so we can see more players playing at a elite level. So we can see the 2nd tier of teams from EU and NA face off against one another.
I wouldnt since you complaint is a L2P issue as oppose to it being a problem. Anet cant fix crappy pvp players.
I dont have any problem seeing whats going on but i understand others will. I thought the “experts” who did the follow up needed to show actual key points in matches. There was a fight between the tcg and ORNG at mid in forest where a player got moa and they tried to take him down but the ORng gave him heals as he ran past them.
Also the abjured, when players were low you would literally see the engy or 2 ele switch to water or use the F1 soothing mist just to heal a ally running by. They tried to show some of those things but picked the worst fights ever to do it. The really need better slow down fight experts who can pick a significant fight in the match and point out what happened. It would really help new people coming in aswell seeing the different aspects of team play.
8 vs 8 was the greatest things for hot join. Me and some guild mates did the ticket 5 vs 5 game tournaments too but 3 of them preferred the 8 vs 8 over the 5 vs 5 from a fun perspective.
Thanks for posting that
That is the most disgusting thing ive ever seen for a game. I literally fell asleep at the computer when my que time got to 6 min and im stuck in the most boring place in the game. If i had woken up and still seen i was queing i might of gone insane.
No one should have to wait over 5 min especially if its a solo que. Seriously i dont care who it is. I swear at times its like your randomly throwing people together anyways.
5 MINUTES ANET
So lets talk about burning condition and how good it is…it simply kills everyclass in the game except signet necros.
So I faught this dd ele on point after 1 min i´m out of condi clear.
So let me show you how this ele killed me by looking at the combat log (17 stacks of burning) at the final tick
JUST MAYBE this burning condition is too strong and MAYBE is to easy to apply for some classes. and this burning even have diminishing returns after X stacks it seems
and yet it LITTERLY melts any class
How is it Rom did better against 2 of the best d/d ele in the game with no condi cleanses and you somehow you run into stacks of burning. Im seriously wondering why you think this helps your case. MAYBE its YOU
If anyone watched the wts, all of these people had stalemate fights in 1 vs 1 situation. Rom looked like he was gonna beat Nos in there 1 vs 1 on temple. Also Nos beat a cele ele 1 vs 1. Lets also mention wakkey and/or phataram lost a 1 vs 1 to the burn guardian. I hate to say this but this complaining about things on the forum is all of us not being good enough.
Seriously mad respect to the TCG,Abjured and ORNG cause they make the things people complain about on this forum look stupid.
People who play sports threw there computer dont understand. When you play a sport you have to fight at each level for minutes and plays called for you. After fighting your team mates in practice and proving who is better. You play against people and then you see all those people from the 6th grade and up. If your fortunate enough to make it to college it gets even more intense.
People here wouldnt understand if these guys said they were the best players at there classes. Many people come on this forum and talk about how unfair certain things are but then these players at these big tourneys do it with there classes and there builds.
People who buy this game want to be competitive with any build they put out there without putting the time in or understanding of how there ability/build/rotation works with in the team concept. These guys are being nice cause this is the Guild Wars community. A bit soft and dont like hearing anything towards another person or team.
If you ever play against elite people there silent vs people who arent at that level. When you play someone at the same level as you and your the cream of the crop, trash talking is what is suppose to happen. You call people nick names such as tin man or forrest. For the guild wars community its trolling but to me its the best players competing against one another and calling each other out which would only enhance there level of play.
Lastly anet can we increase this tourney to the top 8 teams. Would like to see the top 10 players from each region at least. Would of loved to see the tcg at boston and 3 of the other best teams world wide. Also no double elimination, this is the wts best out of 3 and there out.
I’ve practiced a sport more than 10 years, went to many international competitions, have many medals from regional ones. What you said is complete bull…t.
It’s not what players say its what they do that attracts people. You can have the loudest mouth but if you don’t have the skills nobody would care for you.
Having the skills is a given and in my comment its talking about the elite players. Also what sport did you play where there was none? I seriously need to know since i cant think of a sport where there wasnt people hunting down the top dogs. The Abjured in this very last WTS was fighting everyone on the fact they they had no heart.
Seriously after losing to the ORNG the stream filled with OE comments. The EU announcers started talking about how the NA PvP scene is noncompetitive. That is how real sports work. Im sorry where did you grow up that it wasnt this way? Seriously kobe just talked about how he and tim duncan had a verbal smack talking match during a game and he called it 2 old dogs barking. In tennis did you see pete sampras play and his fued with agassi? usain bolt and justin gatlin? Rondo rousey vs cyborg? Fedor vs the UFC? Red Sox vs yankees?
Back to my original point, keyboard warriors dont like a actual confrontation since they have never had to deal with the actual results of failing. The fact you bring level of play in is silly since that is a given with anything not to mention we are talking the best players in the game and in the title of this topic the best mesmer in the game. WIth that said who are the so called biggest names in sports?
Kobe-trash talker, floyd mayweather-trash talker, rondo rousey-trash talker, usain bolt-arrogant(proclaimed himself the best ever before he broke the wr) there are a few didnt talk smack without controversy but people talked smack to them so i have no clue what you are talking about.
yeah it sucks,
courtyard was my favorite map, i dont understand why people hate it. When on my thief me and another player always go around back with sr and kill the people trying to range and the 3 others do what they do.
On my warrior i run in there like a mad man trying to kill there zerg and if they dont separate they will die. With my ele i run in there like a lunatic and then immediately in mist form run out. 1/2 the time people will chase me and sometimes i can get a 1 vs 1 in a corner.
I truly dont understand why people hate it and compare it to WvW zerg fighting when there is serious tactics that can be applied in there.
Personally though i would like to see this expanded to 8 teams. Im from NA but there is clips of like 55hp monks and other Eu teams who can compete at this level.
55hp couldn’t compete as their standard roster due to the age limit if I’m not mistaken, hence why they merged with tcg for wts.
ohh ok thanks, i dont all the people who compete at the elite level for these things so its good to know. I just see these clips on youtube from the last TOL and im confused by why we cant have more teams since there are elite players out there.
i disagree from the stand point that the matches were so close and they did come from the losers bracket to win.(which in itself is a weird thing)
Anyone who played completely in sports can understand this. The ORNG kind of got screwed from the stand point that after beating the abjured and TCG they had to sit for a couple of hours watching these guys.
Also the tcg came so close to beating the abjured that your point has some merit but falls flat from the stand point that there are other comps/usable builds that arent cele. If this were like any real playoff there is not comeback for the abjured and then what would you say?
More people will watch the fight with the loudmouth who starts fights. They either want to see him get what’s coming to him, or they are cheering for him.
Only a handful of purists will want to watch two good guys with no “beef” engage in combat.
When drama is involved, even people who know absolutely nothing about the event will be inclined to watch ESPECIALLY if they were made privy to the prior feud.
Drama will attract more people and make things more entertaining.
Why do you think the Pacquiao and Mayweather fight was the biggest fight in history?
It’s not because Mayweather’s fights are fun to watch. Everyone knows his fights are boring… but the drama, the history, the story, the rivalries between fans.
Drama. Drama sold that fight.
LOL disagree, people wanted to see that fight since pac-man was the best in the game knocking out everyone. floyd,Pauly magglieto among others said manny had to be juicing since he was crushing the best boxers in the world. People watched that fight since it was the 2 best boxers in the world. (If you consider floyd a boxer) People wanted to see the best pure and simple. Michel phelps, usain bolt, etc etc. You watch the best because there the best and when they claim they are the best. Thats what makes sports special, When the New York Knicks are screaming Mj gets all the foul calls and the reporter asks what MJ thinks about that and he responds “So”. It makes for special moments.
Agree to disagree. If Mayweather wasn’t Mayweather nobody would want to watch any of his fights. No I don’t consider Floyd to be a boxer… lol.
You brought up basketball so I’ll use a basketball example.
When the Spurs were super dominant… nobody cared about the Spurs finals. Tim Duncan is a GREAT basketball player but he is boring.
Whenever the Spurs make it to the finals, the viewers drop. I remember the 2014 finals hit an all time lowest rating on record.
Tim Duncan is a nice guy, his team plays great basketball.
But…
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I bet you though… if there was drama involved between the two teams, ratings would have soared.
ummm this was a huge finals and people watched it. I think your talking 2007 when the spurs beat the cavs and anyone who watches basketball the NBA finals that year was the semi finals vs the suns.
Also id like to point out that tim duncan and manu dont get the credit that they should cause of the market they play in. WE are the market and back to the original point of the topic people dont want the best players in the game being arrogant. Im not saying i disagree with you cause actually im on your side but not for this.
Example i love some rap music since im 30 and i like that old school 80s rap but my parents hate it. If im doing something with them at like a bbq or dance i know there not gonna like that music. Same thing here, people call for nerfs because the players we just watched are so much better at it then we are. You play to the crowd you have and to be honest the majority of people who watched this are the same people who come to this forum to complain.
This is by far the best simply because of all around games. The only team who couldnt compete was china. The TCG won 1 against both the abjured and the ORNG and the best part was we saw all 3 teams who are elite play each other.
Personally though i would like to see this expanded to 8 teams. Im from NA but there is clips of like 55hp monks and other Eu teams who can compete at this level. So i would propose the top 2 teams from each area and then 2 wild cards. Also remove the losers bracket, i loved watching the abjured come back but it took them beating the chinese team to get some confidants and rotation issues down against the TCG to come into full gear. I would like to see best out of 3 games and no losers bracket, no 2nd chances and to me that would be awesome for the future.
great show and also like to say i liked the play calling but the experts fell a bit flat. Lastly i watched the first 4 hrs of this thing live and i really hope OE comes back to this game. The things people were saying i was laughing so hard. If he could come back and make a team that is competitive that would do wonders for this game competition wise. Eu has 2-3 teams fighting all the time. The abjured have no rival and there is no one better then that guy to make a some sourd of comeback.
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They did the same thing with rotations in the first game. They didnt stick to there guns if they went in with a game plan cause they all went to lord when they had a 3 cap and orng didnt have 350 and in the first match toker had a chance to cap far but didnt since he saw them going for beast and wanted to try and steal.
Lastly if people thought the abjured was this god like team its just cause the NA scene is full of people who dont want to deal with a team. The Eu teams 1-8 tend to be competitive from what ive seen on youtube. Where as here in NA the abjure roll threw every team. I dont want them to fall because we dont have a competitive list of teams and there not used to facing these situations.
Im sorry i disagree again
If you watched the wts which is still going on but after 4hrs and 5 in the morning im going to bed.
Otherwise what i was gonna say is you can see the polar opposites. The chinese team had a bunker guardian who the tcg avoided as much as possible and that guardian was in a stalemate vs a dps ele.
Thats how it should work, if players of equal skill are playing 1 bunker and 1 dps and its a draw thats good. You cant tell me dps and condi is too high when that all comes down to timing and targeting in team fights as well as good rotations.
Its impossible to understand what your looking for when your saying all dps is to high and the fact that bunkers are really good. You talk about people getting involved in the game and im sorry but Guild Wars 2 PvP is like the NBA. Not everyone will get in and understand.
People see ok shoot the ball put in the hole easy enough but didnt take into account all the other things. IMO people cling to mobas since they can be given a certain role and its easy to understand. Guild Wars 2 PvP means you have to people to ajust and change at any moment during the game. Making damage less wont change any of that.