I am a huge salt lord about this topic.
PvP progression is stale if you don’t care about reward tracks since the rewards are meh. Would rather have an exclusive title/finisher/weapons/armor to work towards and be able to show off rather than some dungeon armor/weapons or more worthless ascended mats.
-Glorious hero’s armor doesn’t count as exclusive armor, since there is an EXTREMELY similar armor set for the reward track which you can just farm for.
-And they look like crap.
-Leaderboards don’t show anything except that you play this game 10x longer than anyone else.
-Most games you can’t reach top PvP rank for a number of years (even playing religiously).
-And PvP rank is an “optional grind” since it doesn’t give you an advantage in the game just something to show off your progress/dedication.
The change basically catered to casual players, a good compromise would have been to include reward tracks, buff the rank points per win (like they did), and keep rank points the same. Possibly adding better rewards the higher you rank (for rank up chests). This would make it so that you are getting progression short term from reward tracks and long term from your rank.
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why is it when people go sky hammer farming ruined ranking, ummm im sorry it was 400k to level. 400k!!!!!!!!!!!! how many games of skyhammer is that please do the math since you guys were talking about that
People quit cause others got to rank 80 quickly lol? I’m going to hazard a guess and say it was less than 10 people.
ummm no i lost 3 guild members, 5 friends and another 8 people who i casually knew and played with.
Its a giant kick in the face to spend 1,200 hrs in pvp and for them to change the ranking system for the casual player. If this was a way to get more people into pvp, all i have to say is when you lose elite players to mass amount of noob players you get a bunch of the new forum topics.
Nerf turret engies- nerf lb warrior- nerf shatter mesmer- nerf good team players- why is there so many bad players- what about them turret engies-
Im sorry, anyone who watch the tourney. Hero Battle Tactics ran 2 turret engies and they faced the abjured and there 2nd match was 500-0.
2 things happened here, they beat a couple of teams who were average players( pvp patch) thought it was good enough. Ran into a old pvp team, those players who put 1,000 hrs before the pvp patch. Im pretty sure NA pvp field would be alot better with teams from fort trinity and galaxy princessess didnt quit.
Thanks for putting it up, i know hero of death from the grinn guild and ive seen you quite often in the ranked games so it was fun watching you guys. Also wanted to see how your guys 2 turret engys did against the abjured.
Thanks again
As i will continue to argue my point…
You’re the only one so knock yourself out. Other than others who are disappointed in the fact that “it could have be handled differently”, in the end, it just doesn’t matter.
I just want to make sure that that everyone knows that as a whole alot of pvp players didnt forget. Of course nothing can be done, of course complaining changes nothing but making sure everyone knows a few PvP peoples displeasure with it shouldnt change it. Its why i think the poster posted it but i could be wrong.
As someone who almost never records his matches I ended up recording this set and the set vs radioactive.
I thought I’d share the vods from our perspective in case anyone was curious since I found it really interesting to see different team dynamics, communication, and actually found it interesting to watch them at intervals to see what AG was communicating to each other compared to what we were trying to do.
Full disclosure, Foefire is one of my strongest maps because I play the 350 game, meaning we basically play for 1pt and a neut and lord rush. I know other teams know I like to do this and so I try and mind-game the lord play if they’re being overly defensive, but foefire vs AG was a good game of mind-games. The end was really interesting because I waited it out in stealth after being banner ressed and so when they wiped the rest of the team in base they thought it was safe and stopped the CC on lord’s body leaving me room to 30% to 0 in a about a second.
I know these vods are less relevant to anyone not in the matches, but if you’re interested in how teams communicate these are good to watch. Examples of good and bad communication in both.
My personal opinion, HBT lacked numbers communication and missed calls on when people peeled. Our strengths were that we were always calm and and no one blamed anyone mid-match. The team was also good about following out team tactics and thinking on their own when I am too focused in a fight to call a good strat.
AG was a lot better at calling numbers and movement, and made good efforts of zoning out HBT’s only really burst threat, but I think they over called some things like sending too many back to Lord the first time (although it was a safe, good call since they couldn’t risk a lord death at that moment) and some conflicting communication on what someone needs to do like on Kylo.
For anyone curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jCCjqAxltQ
Did you happen to record your matches vs the abjured? Your guys team is really the only one of the qualifiers i cant find? Much appreciated if you could, thank you
awesome video guys
i hope people see this post and make dishonor for over a week were you cant play ranked or unranked
We will just afk or jump down over and over.
There is no way you can force player to do something.
then why are you playing? You dont like the map, the builds, other players killing you? Why are you in pvp?
Sorry i just wanted to see hero battle tactics vs the abjured and the hail mary vs Boreal esports and i cant seem to find it on utube or here.
If anyone could point me in the right direction i would appreciate it
thank you
i hope people see this post and make dishonor for over a week were you cant play ranked or unranked
People need to let this go, it’s almost been a year now since it happened. It was a change for the better. Did higher rank players get screwed over? Yes, I was +60r when it happened, and it was rough. However, it was the way Anet handled it, if they would have just gave high ranked players something ( exclusive title, weapon, or whatever) nobody probably would have had an issue.
So yeah, it was a good change, just handled terribly.
Explain how its better and for who? How about add all the new things from pvp to pve but keep the ranking system, would that have been so bad? Also its hard for some of us to get over it, when you play with people for 1 year plus in pvp and then they just stop playing because there voices werent heard. Am i just suppose to not say anything when my friends are like wow, they really just threw us aside? I really love the gw2 lore and story behind the fights and find it to be the best mmo out there but i lost around 3 guild members and 5 people i use to mumble with who no longer play the game. It changes the playing situation for people still playing the game. Are you suggesting i have no right to complain?
Higher rank requirements were ridiculous to achieve, lowering the rank requirement brought new players into pvp because they are actually achievable now, without living in the Mists.
You have every right to complain. Like I stated, I was upset about it too. However, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Overall it was a better change, however it was handled poorly.
Im sorry you didnt answer my question,
1) who was the patch for?
2) it benefited who and to already reply didnt they get what they wanted when they made dungeons/bosses/world events easier? Not to mention making legendarys easier to make, the laurel system, asceneded weapons and armor for those bored in pve.
3) what did the leave for the serious pvper?
4) What needs did the many have to have that the few earned?If were gonna play he has what i want why cant you make it easier for me game, lets play the abjured rolled my team in the tourney so can we make it so they have to face my team 4 vs 5?
The patch was for the gw2 community as a whole, they wanted pvp to feel less disconnected with the rest of the game. They did this by adding the reward system, lowering the rank requirements, adding ways to level up in pvp, and also with the wardrobe. This gave a lot of meaning to players, since pvp progression didn’t halt their pve/wvw progression and vice versa.
If you want to sit here and complain about something that happened almost a year ago, be my guest. However, it’s not going to change anything, nor will it turn back time and revert the changes.
As i will continue to argue my point i will point out that everything you said was for the pve side of players. The PvP communtiy does feel like its getting jipped when it comes to everything. Pve better rewards, more money, no unique skins for the elite players.
Once again your point was it brought the community together yet if you read many of the pvp topics, its split between the 2 still. This class is op(pve warrior) old PvP players saying no its not, get better. Turrets are op(pve warrior) PvP players saying learn your role and quit trying to solo it.
They did successfully bring more people into pvp and in my opinion better games in ranked/unranked. They also did this at the expense of the serious pvp players. Once again they didnt need to change the levels. Im sorry people thought 150k glory was alot for a level but guess what people did it to get to the next tier of 250k. You and other people are spitting on the people who put the time in. They made it more accessible to the casual player which is making for uneven pvp games which another topic.
They insta-made everyone rank 80 with one patch?
I knew so many dudes who were grinding a ton to get to rank 80. Those people all quit because there was no rank system anymore.
It was maybe the strangest decision ever made. It seemed like someone who thought they knew everything about the game got giving free reign to just let their ideas run rough-shot unchecked over the game.
In fact that is what development has felt like for pvp on this game for 18 months or so. There seems no checks and balances on ideas at anet with some terrible ideas just suddenly popping up on live servers when nobody ever asked for them.
I have little hope for the expansion. It is like if ONE person (any of us) was put in charge of an aspect of the game it would suck. It is hard to find our own mistakes. Seems like collabarative development truely was just a PR exercise.
I don’t blame you for being jaded, pvp is still unfinished in my eyes. However, the bigger picture must be seen.
Anet only have so much on their plate in developing GW2, so pvp is what it is. For the most part I accept it. I support the reward tracks, matchmaking, current leaderboard systems, but there IS one thing I DO NOT accept & that is merging the arenas.
When SoloQ was taken out of the game in favor of TeamQ of unranked/ranked, it ruined pvp competition & favored teams over individuals. So now soloQers need a team(5 or less) just to compete and stay alive. People of all skill levels are affected by this, hotjoiners, solos, teams, pros, EVERYONE. Nobody can get a good game.
Of course there’s exceptions in skill, but for the most part, to go SoloQ is to go to A LIONS’ DEN.
THIS is the thing Anet needs to correct if they want a healthy pvp community. To do that, you need to restrict the teams to ranked just like before. It’s the ONLY way out or pvp is dead and buried.
I disagree with this aswell, according to some of the top PvP players in eu. NA has far more people in pvp yet our teams are not as good. Helesth and Blu talked about the solo que mentality of alot players and how its ruined competitive play in na. Blu went on to say that The Abjured would struggle when they do these money tourneys in eu because there community is far more competitive even though its much smaller.
You should always in my opinion run 1-2-2 or 1-3-1 to cap points to prevent edge attacks on most maps. It forces the other team to rotate for earlier and prevents the snowball effect from happening earlier. Also if you want win the 1 vs 1 matchups vs the engy you can typically fight them off points to get them to use there elite skill and if ther turrets there dead when fighting away from them.
People need to let this go, it’s almost been a year now since it happened. It was a change for the better. Did higher rank players get screwed over? Yes, I was +60r when it happened, and it was rough. However, it was the way Anet handled it, if they would have just gave high ranked players something ( exclusive title, weapon, or whatever) nobody probably would have had an issue.
So yeah, it was a good change, just handled terribly.
Explain how its better and for who? How about add all the new things from pvp to pve but keep the ranking system, would that have been so bad? Also its hard for some of us to get over it, when you play with people for 1 year plus in pvp and then they just stop playing because there voices werent heard. Am i just suppose to not say anything when my friends are like wow, they really just threw us aside? I really love the gw2 lore and story behind the fights and find it to be the best mmo out there but i lost around 3 guild members and 5 people i use to mumble with who no longer play the game. It changes the playing situation for people still playing the game. Are you suggesting i have no right to complain?
Higher rank requirements were ridiculous to achieve, lowering the rank requirement brought new players into pvp because they are actually achievable now, without living in the Mists.
You have every right to complain. Like I stated, I was upset about it too. However, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Overall it was a better change, however it was handled poorly.
Im sorry you didnt answer my question,
1) who was the patch for?
2) it benefited who and to already reply didnt they get what they wanted when they made dungeons/bosses/world events easier? Not to mention making legendarys easier to make, the laurel system, asceneded weapons and armor for those bored in pve.
3) what did the leave for the serious pvper?
4) What needs did the many have to have that the few earned?
If were gonna play he has what i want why cant you make it easier for me game, lets play the abjured rolled my team in the tourney so can we make it so they have to face my team 4 vs 5?
Just join a dueling server?
Cant when queing for ranked or unranked, it would be nice if they had a dueling area like a sumo platform for people to challenge one another.
Anet have an elitist balancing attitude. They won’t balance stuff unless it is played by the 30ish people who play this game on a serious 5v5 level with teamspeak and everything.
It is why they removed solo queue imo. Also why they wont fix turret engi. I used to think you should balance all games from the top, but I have progressed from that narrow mind set. Anet should achieve balance at all levels of play. As such, turret engi should be nerfed alot. If its not “viable” in their beloved esports scene then it shouldn’t matter to nerf it for the rest of us right?
I dont think they should change a build when most people find it easily beatable. If you find stance warrior op because you want to run a bunker mesmer should they change stance warrior? I will say if the team make up isnt right you wont win but if im in a premade and your in a premade and my team sees you got 2 turret engys. Where going grab 2 rangers, 1LB and 1sb with a thief to fight them off points with our bunker guardian and cele ele. My team is going to win since the lb ranger can hit you and you cant touch him. You dont have enough condi removal to beat a condi ranger and the thief catching you off points.
I hear alot of people from EU form teams all the time and they find NA laughable for not finding people to play with. That was what helseth said to blu on a stream they had. I dont know either way but my point is it isnt op in 1 vs 1 or in 5 vs 5.
Hero Battle Tactics vs The Abjured
Hero battle tactics ran 2 turret engys, watch what happened to them
I killed 2 turret engys at the same time with my condi ranger. Rune of the krait, shortbow/axe warhon. Axe warhorn bleeding on switch and psn on next 3 attacks. Pick what ever for shortbow. Fire trap/sharpening stones/I go burst speed here your choice though/ and entangle.
traits 2-0-6-1-5, Im sick of hearing everyone complain about turret engys. I admit i cant beat them on my thief or mesmer but if anyone would like ill share my pvp builds which i beat turret engys with.
join a guild who play for fun, all of the guys im in a guild with dont worry about winning or losing. Just the challenge of playinig other players.
People need to let this go, it’s almost been a year now since it happened. It was a change for the better. Did higher rank players get screwed over? Yes, I was +60r when it happened, and it was rough. However, it was the way Anet handled it, if they would have just gave high ranked players something ( exclusive title, weapon, or whatever) nobody probably would have had an issue.
So yeah, it was a good change, just handled terribly.
Explain how its better and for who? How about add all the new things from pvp to pve but keep the ranking system, would that have been so bad? Also its hard for some of us to get over it, when you play with people for 1 year plus in pvp and then they just stop playing because there voices werent heard. Am i just suppose to not say anything when my friends are like wow, they really just threw us aside? I really love the gw2 lore and story behind the fights and find it to be the best mmo out there but i lost around 3 guild members and 5 people i use to mumble with who no longer play the game. It changes the playing situation for people still playing the game. Are you suggesting i have no right to complain?
Rank means nothing………………Skill means everything. If someone quit because rank 80 was easier to get to, they probably were hiding their horrible skill behind their high rank they had to grind.
I don’t remember people quitting GW2 all together because lvl 80 was to easy to get to in PvE compared to other MMO’s. People were happy. I don’t remember people quitting the game after tomes were introduced allowing players to get insta 80 on new characters…….
Makes no sense…
Also, if they quit, I am pretty sure you won’t hear from them because they aren’t here….they quit.
Saying rank means nothing is ridiculous.
The point is, for me grinding rank meant nothing. For you maybe it meant nothing. For a ton of people in this thread apparently it meant nothing.
But so what???
To SOME people it did matter. And they removed the feature (in effect). What is the point in that? What harm was it doing to anyone to have a ranking system which didn’t just auto put everyone at rank 80?
That is the point. Why remove something like the rank system that some people played because of? It makes no logical sense. None at all. Their reason was that it took too long to rank up. Well who cares. Let the people who want to go for it rank up. If your not bothered then no problem.
It would be like removing dungeons because the devs/alot of people dont care about them. But SOME people do care about them.
Terrible comparison.
1) There are 100x more pve players.
2) The majority of which do dungeons on a daily. Anet would never remove such huge content from the game.The pvp rank patch changes affects a small percentage of the PvP community. The change affected <1% GW2 player base as a whole!
Here’s an example. If the GW2 population was 500, only 1 person left, if that.A lot of people were using PvP ranks as a skill comparison. The Rank could be confusing for many players. I’m sure Anet had their own reasons for changing it.
You mean like the grindy leader boards? Or people who arent good in pvp and still talk. Or the old solo que players who wont ajust to playing with a team. Maybe the people who cant beat the cheese builds like turret engy which by the way i cant beat on every class except thief and mesmer and i know people who handle turret engys easy with those classes. OR maybe the other million ways people compare ranks.
You tell me if its better, seeing someone whos a elite player trolling newer characters with the deer and dolyak finisher in unranked/ranked games or the player whos never used a thief,mesmer, or warrior with the dragon finisher complaining everything is op.
Heres the truth, people left the game because of the pvp patch and you find it ok cause it was a small group. I hate that notion because lets have you spend money on a game. Work really hard to get to shark/phoenix and almost dragon finisher and anet say well who cares about this small group of players. Lets tell them to go **** themselves. Also the people i knew from Fort trinity who had 5 level 70’s in premade and Galaxy Princesses who were all 68+ level premades in pvp left the game because they didnt want to pve. I hate that patch and i hate the fact we have people who say who cares about the players trying to achieve soemthing in the game.
Seriously, there was no grind for gear. No grind for bosses. No grind for anything, gw2 has become one of the easiest mmos ive ever played and yet this community was still like its too hard to get dragon finisher, make it easy for me and they did it. PvP was the one place i could get a challenge from a content and a competitve aspect. Now i either dominate new dragon players coming in/ or lose terrible to elite premades especially before these big tourneys for money. So tell me why shouldnt i care about that patch since a ruined a big part of the game for many?
Rank means nothing………………Skill means everything. If someone quit because rank 80 was easier to get to, they probably were hiding their horrible skill behind their high rank they had to grind.
I don’t remember people quitting GW2 all together because lvl 80 was to easy to get to in PvE compared to other MMO’s. People were happy. I don’t remember people quitting the game after tomes were introduced allowing players to get insta 80 on new characters…….
Makes no sense…
Also, if they quit, I am pretty sure you won’t hear from them because they aren’t here….they quit.
Im sorry thats just you, i also know about 10 people who quit playing the game and 5 more who dont play nearly as much. Im sorry but when you were rank 65(1 of my friends) and rank 72(a person from my guild) and your doing these ranked games. Ranked games with tickets and winning to get the titles and finishers exclusive to pvp. That means something, your idea that they werent good is 1 idiotic and 2 your other point about the tomes is exactly the point. PvP players had nothing to strive for since they “PvP” and not pve and they might have had no intersnt in pve.
When we see turret engys we attack corners. When we grab corners we fight the engys off points forcing them to use crates off cap circles. You need to understand how certain classes work to be effective. I wont run threw all the classes but when you do win a match up people need to know there roles. if you see 1 person fighting of point you need to be the cap holder and if you see someone in the cap you need to be the range support.
Lastly mesmers can easily be ganged up on so you need to target and fight as a team.
a whole bunch of things
1) watching some of the eu top players talking, there are tons of people teaming together. Everyone in NA needs to wake up and actually try to team with other people if they want to win.
2) playing against pre-mades doesnt make them good. When im in pre-mades were never on team speak together. We just like running around together cause if we lose no one gets mad and no matter what we can talk about the match.
3) Icaruk, your 11-14. Whats the problem with the match making? Your winning almost 50% in solo queing. Im not sure what more you could want as a colo que- uer when your playing ranked.
Seriously everyone needs to look in the mirror a bit, if you dont want to play in competitive games you need to go to hot join. If you want to solo que you need to realize you will face pre-mades. Also not all pre-mades are good, reality check.
i disagree, let the people run what they want to run. If people want to do dailies let them. If your there to pvp, fight and win vs anyone.
could be alot of things,
1) the teams have the same mmr but
2) no one else is queing so everyone is in a match and people queing are your only options
3) No matter how you want to put it, when teams of equal level play each other there tends to be a snowball effect. 1-2 bad choices during the match can change the score by 200 pts.
dude im so shocked you ran a 2-0-6-0-6 stance build without hambow against turret engys. Would of loved to see you run 6-0-2-0-6 with axe/shield stances vs turret engy.
Otherwise thanks for posting great match guys
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Im sorry i might be a little bit naive but omg what happened? I spent 3 hrs in silverwastes with the new vine wrath event. I got better loot in these 3 hrs then the last 2 months in pvp. The pvp community is getting ripped in the butt, we lost our unique skins, we lost the finishers since casuals can walk into pvp and get to dragon rank in 3 months.
Serious question about pvp, you want people to compete and stream these live fights and esports. Yet why is there literally nothing for the pvp community? You get better loot,skins,money in pve and random people can pop into pvp and get a bear finisher in 2 months. It took me all the way up till that patch to get to level 53 or 54.
Is there any ideas coming in the future about pvp rewards of any kind? I could not believe that i got 15 rares and 3 exoctics in 3hrs. Ive gotten many exoctics from the dungeon reward tracks but the only reason im doing it is because of the dungeoneer ap points. I have 8 level 80’s with all exotic gear and 2 with full ascended. I feel that the pvp community should get something more then loot being that pve players can get the same amount of loot in 3hrs that could do in 3 months in pvp reward tracks.
i agree your rotations feel like there spur of the moment instead of people knowing where they should be and there role on the team. Also not sure which one but your 1 bunker away to me. EU has had 1 pure bunker which hasnt been the norm for most pvp teams and Obviously the abjured rule na and if your seriously competing you have be able to stand on a point a little longer vs those teams.
Just my opinion, loving the team grind though
I thought it was “or” so i made sure to kill 4 lobbers and went back to the camp. I still have the thing above my utility skills and then the cinamatic starts and its gone. The other people in my party got it and i made it all the way to the cinamatic and im just getting frustrated but thank you ill watch for that now.
i like court yard, with my thief and mesmer i try to i start fighting them then i go invisible and go around the other side to attack them once they engage with my team mates.
I find it alot of fun and if you think its a zerg fest try not zerging. I know its other players mindsets but you got to try and change the tide within the match.
its a combo of the above, i had a ele who said he was pure glass. I said you new and he said first day in pvp. I said good luck. He ended up leaving the ranked match, it happens. Its like a pick up game at the park, some days youll play with good people and others there old guys who played in the 60s.
Ive done the pact assault to try and get the lobby dodger ap point and ive done it 5 times where i didnt get downed and we killed 4 lobbers. Am i missing something?
If your losing 10-500 that has nothing to do with team speak there just straight out better then you. Also if your losing like that your probably not going up against full premades or good premades.
Also i solo que alot and i have lost to some really good teams before but ive never lost 10-500 and anytime i lose 100-500 i take note of the teams/guild name.
Lastly team speak helps with counting heads and making sure you see everyone and knowing where one is heading but team speak doesnt make you win 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2. Winning the fight and capping spots wins the match. I know a few guys who solo que and still win 65% of there matches.
Hey i thought it was great to watch. Anet should make Abjured t-shirts and sell them and cut them in the profits because they are men among boys.
Side note for everyone else, the abjured rocked everyone they played. They played some of the best pre-made teams in the game too. So for everyone complaining for solo que and fighting pre-mades. PLease stop acting like 1 sided matches only happen to you. I look at every match as a nba game, you can hang with most teams whether there good pugs or a pre-made but it comes down to execution, being were your suppose to when you need to
AND RUNNING THE BALL ON THE 1 YARD LINE PETE CARROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For everyone complaining about solo please read all the posts
simply put there is a system based on your win percentage against the teams you plays rank. Im sorry but im willing to say the majority of you asking for solo que arent that good. Im also willing to say that your principles are much different then my own. Im sorry if 4 other people qued up and there good and im put in that group and we have to fight the abjured, ok bring it on. Let me have this chance, you literally have people on here complaining about fighting any pre-mades. Seriously what? You have other people trolling justin, really?
PVP is competitive, in what sport is the game completely fair? Seriously the same 4 guys win tennis every tourney, basketball has been dominated by 5 teams in the last 15 years. There is thousands of smucks playing this game and for some reason you come on here asking for a hand out when you can see they have a great system in place and is trying to get better.
Last note, no i will not wait any longer for ques. Ive lately had alot of 5+ min ques whether i solo or partially team que. If it goes back to the old days when we had solo and team ques ill do something else and at this point it might be wait for the expansion since theres nothing left for me to really do.
Im sorry i solo que alot and one of the biggest things for me and a competitor is the challenge. I dont expect to win every match and i dont expect every match to be equal.
Many times when playing a competitive sport you go up against a player at your height,size and athleticism but they seem to be a little better. How am i as a competitor not except this challenge?
Your complaining about pre-mades. Im sorry but not all pre-mades are good. ive fought many guild groups and pre-made teams and ive have beaten alot of them. You once again bring up your feelings saying “Even one match of premade vs. pugs is one too many if you ask me”.
That quote right there is everything wrong with a competitive setting. Im sorry you feel that way, i really am. I for one will never understand your mindset. Ive played literally thousands of ranked games and there has never been a time where i said man im constantly getting crushed. Ive literally had a 50% win rate no matter what area i have qued into.
The reason you found nothing i said valid is because you refuse to look outside your own box. If you are constantly losing badly why not take a second and go practice? Work on a different build thats more to comfort ability? I have literally carried teams by winning a 1 vs 1 on home running to far winning the 1 vs 1 there and holding that spot vs 2 for enough time for the 4 vs 3 at mid to win so i can spawn and protect home. Know one knows your level but you and ill im saying is it sounds like you want to be catered to without excepting any form of responsibility in a competitive situation.
You dont know what im talking about? Seriously?
Justin is seriously feeding you info saying out of 67 matches only 5 were pre-made vs pugs and the guy won 2. Yet you still complain, Being someone who has always been ranked in both solo and team que i find it funny because the best players in solo que back then were the exact same players in the top of team ques.
Seriously you dont get where im coming from? You have these people trolling for solo que yet you only have your feelings on how things are yet when presented actual facts you look away. Lets also mention most of the people complaining are around a 40% win rate plus which means there doing a pretty good job. The idea that anything competitive will be completely equal is a insane idea. Every sport has only 1 winner yet everyone comes on this forum asking for changes and why? Because i didnt win and didnt want to face a pre-made and i didnt blah blah blah. Did you take 1 sec to say huh maybe i just wasnt as good?
The answer is no and my biggest problem has always been the solo que mentality. Groups and pre-made very rarely talk smack. Its the solo que people who talk trash to there own teammates if they lose and its cause they only solo que. They dont team up with friends or guild mates. They dont want to and thats fine but what gives you the right to complain because other people want to? Not to mention the fact that some of the best players in the game solo que and still win 65%+ of the time and you still complain about a solo que?
My point is the top players in the game are the top players and for the rest of us there needs to be a level of understanding of what it takes to either win/ or just play to have fun. You guys are complaining which i find a joke. At the end of the solo que era i had to wait over 10 min a match only to face the best players in the pvp land. Now i get to face a whole different array of levels from new guild pre-mades to solo elite que-ers to straight up getting thrashed by apex gaming and the absurd. Its like playing in a nba season, 1 night ill play the knicks and the next the hawks. Yet for some reason many of the people complaining dont get that and complain for solo que. Its a joke
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I agree that its a bit unreal. Ive had alot of 5+ min ques lately for every match and i wish they would upgrade the hotm. Maybe a jump puzzle, a dueling area, crafting tables,mystic forge, black lions trade, a skins merchant. If they had these things i pretty sure no one would complain since there is something for everyone.
2 things
1- Dont worry about ranks or titles, anet made it alot easier to get to level 80 in pvp which has entitled some of the players.
2- Its just those players, there are very toxic people who complain no matter what.
hahahahah does anyone else feel like there are only trolls on the forum? People complaining non-stop about the solo que thing but werent any good and dont really have a right to complain in the first place.
ummmm i can beat those classes on my warrior so maybe step up your game
lol my guess is your not very good, also solo que was a long time ago. It be like players saying i won alot of games when there was paid tourney tickets.
LOL omg i am so thankful for anet getting rid of solo que.
1- The first reason is you can take a look at all the people making post talking about solo que play. Im sorry but i solo que all the time and i still win around 50% and ive seen some of the better pvp players when playing.
2- You can see from the solo que peoples post they are whiners, complainers and they let the snowballing continue since they dont know how to play in the team concept.
3- If you think you should be on top of the leader board actually try winning and carrying some people. Im sorry ive seen some of the better players streams when they solo que and they still win. Funny thing, even when the better players solo que they still tend to win vs pre-mades when they got pugs on there team.
4- The idea anet has some how cheated you, the constant complaining of a certain type of class being op, the in game trash talking when you lose. Solo que players who suck in team play was a bad solo que player but probably got carried by another player against other bad solo que players.
5- You have someone say lets see our mmr so i know when to quit to get it over with. Yes you are a solo que player and it shows. I hope people like you quit the game cause i rather lose 500-25 in a game were we all tried but just werent good enough then play with a solo que cry baby who doesnt know what it means to play on a team.
no solo que, solo que was really bad at the end with que times and also there was never a good mindset. People would join solo que and never have to worry about working as a team. If you dont like the ques why dont you just hot join? Im sorry but i solo que all the time and lately i have been having to wait over 5 min a match to only fight pre-mades. I still win around 50%. I dont know what makes you think going back to the old way is better being at the end of solo que before i was waiting for over 10 min a match. I actually was yolo queing.
Also i would also like to see that, people in 3 or more should go into ranked instead of queing for ranked. I like that idea. Gets more of the groups into the bigger moments.
Im sorry but when i get full groups of people we all like seeing turret engys. We target them in groups and we leave them alone on a point. Also our 3 best players witht here builds beat turret engys pretty easy. I feel for the new people coming in but id say 100% of the elite players entering these tourneys for money wish more people would play turret engy.
My comment about solo que players has to do with the solo que mentality and nothing about the que-ers as a whole. I also solo que a majority of the time and i expect to go into matches with either qued teams or new players in both ranked and unranked. Im sorry but everyone in the game and on this forum who was a solo que hero has negative things to say all the time.
No PvE is not where you learn your build. No WvW is not where you learn your class. You learn to fight vs other players in practice and work on your craft there. Unranked is where you go to test your skills as a new person/ cant deal with the competetive nature of ranked/ not good enough to play in ranked. Thats how it should be and just like here people take the idea of what they want it to be and say its law.
If you were a great basketball player in h.s you go to college. If your good in college but not great you stay in college. You never just jump to the pros and thats suppose to be rank. Unranked should not be toxic and its for the people who want to compete in a team setting. Hot join or practice doesnt help people with a team mind set of winning matches. You unfortunately have people who abuse the system since they dont want there leaderboard win% to be affected so they can talk about there win percentage and demand a leaderboard fix even though they play in unranked when they should of qued for rank.
Once again im not saying all solo que players, im talking the solo que heros. You will very rarely get full teams talking smack since they expect to win.
I dont think the leaderboard will ever be right because many people like you said que up in unranked when they only have 3 people of there 5 man team in unranked. I have mad respect for alot of these former number#1 leaderboard guys who are solo queing in ranked.
Hot join is a random join to try out new builds with the ability to leave or see what other people are doing. Unranked is for those new people to try out those builds in a competitive atmosphere. Ranked is for the quote om quote serious players.
If you play unranked assume to see new people and dont be a doush. I bring this up because i joined a unranked game and this very toxic guy on our team was hating on 2 players since they didnt know what they were doing. They said there were new to pvp. They were all doing this in map chat btw. I went to say to this individual that they were ok and he shouldnt be here if he was so good.
Hey solo que heros in unranked pvp be quiet,
solo que players attitudes in this game is getting a little unreal
First is the theme song from breathing fire
2nd choice is the feeling like the odds are too much and i have to be unstoppable
I think its fine, i find most people rush home as well. I dont know the people your playing against but i find spreading out pug players is better. 1 home 2mid 2far. This forces a good premade to make a decision. If your a good player you should win your 1 vs 1 or 2vs 2. Obviously if you play with players who arent as good it doesnt matter how you spread them at start your not gonna win cause there not as good.
I had a coach once tell a kid on the team he shot too much and he needed to run the plays. The kid asked why, coach said cause your a role player. Most people dont know it in gw2 but they are also role players and dont know it.