I dont know what the issue is but i cant play the game now after the new update. The most i can do is log in and the second i hit play play the game doesnt load. It looks like its trying to load but it never gets to my character selection page. Heck a GW2 page doesnt even pop up, i get a gw2 bar at the top but it stays on my desktop screen.
Is it my and my my computer? Is there something i need to download?
I see other people are having the same problem so just wondering whats going on.
Why people who have zero(0, null) knowledge and experience regarding Engineer’s skills, traits and design of the class, demand nerfs for it?
I vote for IQ test upon thread creation regarding what they want to complain about.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that people who have no knowledge on a matter are allowed to cast their vote and have an impact on such important matters such as nerfs.Why dont you tell me how I have 0 knowledge. Or do you always just jump into threads and spout random statements? Everything I said was correct and true.
Not exactly, im pretty sure a condi ranger can easy beat a turret engy 1 vs 1 as well as a power warrior whether it be hambow or axe/shield. Not to mention a bunker guardian can hold it at a stalemate.
Are you right, sourd of. I mean alot of people struggle with them but some dont. HBT vs the abjured on utube is a good match to see. HBT ran 2 turret engys and lost 500-0 vs the abjured in there 2nd match. Your acting like there some meta build which needs to be nerfed when actually only newer or solo que players cant beat them.
Now obviously some builds cant beat it no matter what they do but other fromt hat aspect i dont know what to tell ya to change your perception on the topic.
Lol i would like talk about pvp atm
3 days ago me and 2 other guild mates were actually on at the same time, i run condi staff mesmer, guild leader runs a power necro and 3rd player ran a bunker guardian with staff. We faced a what seem to be a 2-2-1 and 2 of them i wont name names but they were tagged together and were both running turret engys.
1st game was pretty close but we knew what to do to beat them leaving the 1 engy parked at our home and controlled the other 2 points. After we won they talked smack about my guild being crappy and were a crappy premade.
2nd game we face the same 2 turret engys omg yes!!!!! We triple capped them immediately since i ran far moa the turret engy and killed him, guild leader liched form with 25 stacks of might to kill the other. 1 of them actually changed to necro when we had a 400-80 lead. They again began trash talking my guild.
So if im to be honest turret need no changes, me and my guild mates dont run meta builds but we do no what they are and there strengths and weaknesses. We also know how to beat these cheese builds which for some reason are really hard for the average player to beat. Obviously we had a huge advantage from the fact we had builds that worked together as oppose to a bunch of solo players but once again we shouldnt nerf a build simply because solo players dont want to team up with other people or arent good enough to beat it 1 vs 1.
Lastly i cant kill any of the turrets on my mesmer since im condi so i caught him with a moa, i dropped a port and far and went mid and when he want back to cap me and the power necro took him out again. Its called team work its a 5 vs 5 game. Not your p/p thief vs turret engy or you mace/shield warrior vs turret engy.
Im sorry guys i disagree, I was in a 3 man premade and were all in the same guild. Me and 1 of them play pvp quite a bit but the other person was completely new and tried out thief cause it was the daily. We look at our team and we get OE and another engy so we have 1 ele,1 ranger 2 engy and 1 thief. We look like some great premade but we got smoked.
The new person in our group felt bad but at no point is his fault were player upper tier players when he just started doing pvp. Seriously its gotten to the point me and other people who are decent players in pvp cant take around new guild members in pvp cause they end up getting smoked even when in team speak.
Seriously give it a rest, not every premade team 3+ or 5 even is gonna be great. LOL none of you have probelms talking sheech at the end of the match after beating a so called premade.
If you enjoy the game you enjoy if your nit picky about everything you’ll move on and come back and move on and com back. People complain about everything in this game.
To me and for my money having played wow,champions online, age of wushu, d2 and some older mmos, this is by far the best mmo out there and its free monthly. The PvP is great from the aspect if you get really good at any build you can play at a high level with it even if its not the elite or meta. Ive played staff ele since pre and at no point has it been the best 1 vs1. Ive always been able to at least compete though which is all you can ask for.
The way i look at it, theres always gonna be a flavor of the month. Looking at this last wts finals you have to admit that the cele ammy got absolutely rocked. NA was 0-6 against EU who had 3 people run 3 different ammys not cele. People in NA are jaded with PvP and if your like them it probably wouldnt be worth it to come back. If you just enjoy a great game then of course with stronghold coming, a new class, and a new area it might be fun to dip in a little.
Just finished watching the pvp finals and it was crazy how it all went down.
Thanks to everyone who was in the tourney you guys were very entertaining.
Also like to say the announcers were great, i enjoy all the people who do the play by play for gw2.
Lastly NA we need to step our game up, I believe the tcg and cheese mode combined players to win this and wow did they. To say the abjured dominated NA is a understatement and i ultimately i think the biggest problem for the abjured heading forward is that NA lacks the quality teams EU has.
Just my opinion, thanks again for a great show
To my knowledge ive never played meta, my 3 fave classes
hambow warrior 4-0-6-4-0 with stances and 1 might shout
staff ele 2-0-2-6-4 with cantrips
condi ranger 2-0-6-1-5 with survial skills and 1 fire trap
So i guess ive always been a average player since i never changed it
PVP matchmakingt system is sooo bad idk how thats working but its rly bad
question, is it really bad match making or bad players?
Anytime you have 2 points and people run to the one they dont have to leave a spot free to take i question if they know how to pvp. Yet all ranked players do it unless there on team speak or are looking to play a role on a team. I feel the player base skill isnt too high.
I completly disagree with you, i agree some builds are just much better then others but your criteria to getting there is all wrong.
For instance i run a bunker condi ranger which is great for engies but i couldnt kill a good d/d ele or a good necro for my life since they remove condi so fast. On the other hand i can down anyone else by stacking the condis very quickly. Thats how classes are suppose to be.
You can run a a shoutbow warrior who removes condi and does good dmg wityh a longbow. For this simple point your argument is invalid. Also im sorry but if 3 people are trying to kill 1 he should die quickly unless hes the ultimate bunker character.
Also your utility skills are there for you to choose what type of player you are, whether you want more dps,condi removal, or support. It changes from every persons style of play which is a good thing. If having to many options is a bad thing please say you prefer the trinity system as oppose to this is whats wrong with pvp.
Ive lost (2) 5 vs 4 and won (3) 4 vs 5. The lst 5 vs 4 we lost was really bad. They had one terrormancer and 1 turret engy and they would zerg mid everytime after we cap sides to all die. It was bad, the worst part was we knew it was a 5 vs 4 from the start of the match. So the L2P trash talking to one another started getting bad at the end. Bad players lose winning players win it happens.
Also that isnt match making fault, the players need to take some responsibility for not know how to rotate or use the mini map. I honestly feel most of the people coming on here to complain need to look in the mirror.
Dear ANet, I would appreciate it if you guys give this some very serious thought…
We NEED to separate solo queue from team queue.
There are way too many games which end up being premades vs solos, and it is not okay.I agree, it can’t happen now, population won’t support it. But there’s no doubt there will be a huge influx of new players during HoT, so it can definitely be restructured then…
When HoT comes out:
- REMOVE hotjoins from game.
- Leave Unranked Queue as it is (Any sized party can go here)
- REWORK Ranked Queue into following:
- Add Ranked Solo/Duo Queue (Only solo queue, or duo queue—if you want to play with a friend)
- Add Team Queue (Only 5 man rosters)
Thanks for reading,
Ac
ummmmm no, there are alot of 5 man pre-made teams who arent any good or have 1-2 player weak links but there playing for fun. Why do a few people who arent any good at pvp get to decide anything? If you cant hold a 50% win rate at solo que maybe its you. Seriously some of these guys have over a 60% win rate solo queing and are complaining about fighting the abjured and dankening with all solo ques and your talking solo ques as if they was a good experiment anyways.
maybe it was 2 scoops of ice cream with a banana?
Question who do you want them to play? I face premades from guilds like cnk and gasm all the time and we were solo que players and we ended up winning alot of those matches.
Question seriously, would you rather them play a pre-made of very average players or 5 solo que players whos mmr are better then aveage? If you were making matches how would you make it? Just for rhetoric purposes argue it the other way?
These top teams have to play somebody and obviously the mm think there are only a select few who are capable of challenging there pre-made. Even watching the tourneys, the abjured and the dankening ran threw there first few match ups.
I just want to see what people have to say when arguing it the other way ……
Dont worry about it, no matter what you play people hate.
Oh you use the meta L2P
On my thief people told me not to use p/p then when i figured out how to make them good not great but good no one ever said anything.
You will be shocked by how many bad players are out there telling people how to play so take your time and dont worry about them.
are you sure he wasnt a bot? Did you see people attacking him and he kept running for the lord? I wont name names but i have killed people who didnt even put up a fight heading tot he lord.
It varies but in this very moment right now it’s longbow rangers. I could be running from blue base to the quarry in Legacy of the Foefire and sure enough as soon as I get in range they start spamming their longbow attacks with their quickness. AND ME AS A NECRO WITH A DAGGER AINT GOT MUCH TO BLOCK/DODGE/STOP ANY OF IT. And when I finally get in range to attack them most of my health is gone and I probably popped my heal skill half way there. Makes me wish I had that revenant wall skill thingy.
Also when wars pop their jug elite and you know how necros just have soooo much stability they can pop. Ya. YA THAT’S ALWAYS FUN HAHAHA not really.
See thats what i like about this game, every class/build/ weapon set changes everything. If you were a staff guardian or thief with lots of invisibility it wouldnt bother you.
i can understand the frustration but i feel like this is such a big part of team play. Knowing where your team mates are, there health, whos the target, should i rez should i not. These are all so important, which brings me to another thing i love about pvp here.
Everything is important from a player perspective. Knowing your build and knowing team mates builds is so important. You were on the wrong end of this but these fights are so important when you think about it now. When you get in a 3 vs 3 and 1 player from each team is down. There becomes a huge stress factor on how do we apporach this. The better team play/support wins these fights.
actually im the same, mesmer and elixer engies mess me up. I actually thought a engy was hacking because he has invisibility and rampage form. These 2 builds are not the norm for me so it hard to understand where there at or what there gonna do.
I ran into a bunker staff mesmer, i seriously killed myself by killing the clones in the cap circle.
funny, I’ve fought them about 10 times the last few days while solo queueing
hahahaha well i guess that means im not at your level but i actually wouldnt mind the challenge. I rather lose badly with a bunch of good players then win a match where everyone ran around mindlessly.
The horror stories of playing some of these matches.
Is everyone allergic to not just doing what they want back in the old solo ques? Like not zerging points? Having 2 cap points and yet all of your team mates run to the 1 red point where 2 of there players are waiting, seriously where do these solo que people come from?
Pvp as is is so kitten up bad, i cannot go solo in unranked or ranked just to face premades or 3manq’s, im forced to wait for people to come online to play with them, else pvp is just a waste of time.
If you cant win 45% in solo que in ranked or unranked i dont think it should make a difference for you. I know people winning 60% of there solo ques in ranked games. You want a cookie too?
If devs don’t nerf them, why not buff them into the meta in ranked and unranked, so I’ll have some incentive to “L2P” against “Unviable for ranked but totally easy button for nubs” build that should not exist.
And to those people say “stay ranged and use condi and L2P”, I am a sword dagger thief, the best I can do is short bow bounce them all day long until the match end. Why should I have to switch out a spec that is tested and true against all other builds in game to deal with one single spec.
Why dont you just ask a friend to help you with facing it? Its what i did 2 years ago when i was trying how to figure out how to fight turret engies. Have you even tried to understand them? Lack of mobilty, lack of condi removal, lack of stabilty?
Seriously why not just tell anet your build so they can make it the meta so you dont have to do anything?
Lol i just need to say i went into a dueling room today and that the majority of builds wont ever be seen in 5 vs 5. You have players with max invisibility and run away from the cap points like crazy.
lucky, i havent been able to fight these guys since they got rid of solo que
I know that there will be a level of toxicity in any competitive environment, but I also noticed that GW2’s gets worse the further up the ladder you go.
I don’t think that I’m a great player, but judging by the people I group with, my MMR is probably on the higher end of average.
On my second account, I have only done a small amount of matches. During those matches, there is occasional trash talk, but it’s all in competitive nature. The comments are mostly “playful” and typically not personal.
On my main account however, it’s a whole different story. Almost every match this is personal level trash talk. Sometimes directed at me, sometimes directed at others, sometimes you can’t even tell who they are talking to. Typically it’s the same kitten of players. The players who are in the top 50 or so and can’t seem to go a match without putting some one down. Comments such as, “are you a kittening kitten?”, “This guy is autistic”, “go kill yourself!”
“Yeah, but use your block feature!” I do and this does cut down on some of the drama.
“Well then, why do you care?”
It’s common knowledge right now, that queue times are a little bit long. I was wondering if this was due to a very strict match making system or due to not enough players queuing. I’ve had matches with first time ranked players and guys from Abjured, so the system can’t be too too strict. Because of this, I began to wonder if maybe it was due to a general lack of interest from casual players.My guild is huge on WvW. We field anywhere from 20 to 50 guild members a night in WvW. However, only about 5 of my guildies even venture in conquest. I decided to figure out, why? The response from everyone was pretty uniform. The PvP community is too toxic! I heard story after story of how they just didn’t enjoy spending the whole match being verbally abused. People told me stories of how they loved PvP, but as they did more matches, they began queuing into upper tier players that would belittle them, trash talk them, and say some of the rudest things imaginable.
Solution? Hold people accountable! I remember when GW2 first come out, people were getting hit with suspensions left and right, for verbal abuse. Now? I know certain people that get reported daily and I still see them day after day raging in chat and calling people “kittens” and “autistic.” The fact that these players are not being punished is giving the impression that this behavior is acceptable. My fear is that it will only get worse from here.
Thoughts / Comments?
Im sorry i have to disagree, the majority of trash talkers are average players. The best players in the game tend to group up and run threw people that arent grouped up. For instance if you run threw the leader board youll see people with 65% + win rates and i can tell you there not toxic.
The people your talking about is the average player who blames other average players for losses. Also that happens in every competitive pvp area in any game. Also i would also question what your guild mates did. Like for instance coming up with a build and going into a ranked game is the most frustrating thing for veteran players.
Simply put when people come into the game and are new to pvp, you need to join a hotjoin and practice first. Do a few unranked games where its not as toxic and move on from there. Im not 100% sure where your coming from, ive gotten it both ways. For instance people who didnt know me would say p/p thiefs suck and then i drop them and still talk sheet. You get talked to about anything you do,
Omg your using the meta way to venure out the box, wow hambow you must be so skilled, cheese build turret engy, bear bow ranger L2P
No matter what you do trash talkers will talk trash but knowing how to rotate and will cause less friction in the higher end matches.
Ive seen some people run some things that were crazy to me but crushed other people.
I saw this guy run a mace/shield, Greatsword with traits 6-0-2-0-6. I saw him trucking threw people left and right. It was awesome, now give it it was against mesmers and eles who were using other awkward builds but my thing is if your good your good. Builds are important but i think skill and timing is still more important.
I completely disagree with you, my favorite build is my 4-0-6-4-0 hambow warrior. I love partying up with 1 ele and 1 bunker guardian. No mater what map it is we hold down at least 2 spots. When my guild mates and i ran, we always went 1-3-1 and the ele would move from the guardian to the warrior. We held these points all games and when we were on team speak it was godly.
I can understand your frustration but the bunker guardian is still so useful being a ele cant hold a point the way a guardian can.
My ideal team for me is a warrior/guardian/ele for on point fighting and 2 other classes for range. I just would like to say i still appreciate the bunker guardian.
Hey i dont have a team but ill join ya if your looking to make one. Im NA though
OK on legacy of foefire we the score was about 100-147 and we had a ele quit. I wont name names but i can. He said you guys are fighting off points so ill guard lord. I was a thief who fought on points and 2 rangers who fought off. We had another ele as well and to be honest we were winning alot of the fights. But since he died in a 1 vs 1 at far he decided to quit seeing 2 of our rangers fighting off point.
There needs to be something, telling us to report them for botting or lfg system abuse is not what there doing. This guy is trolling pvp land and frustrating people. Me and my 2 guild mates were like wow really because from that point on it was 4 vs 5 and the ele trash talking his own team. Its February and there needs to be change and i dream of that day. I have dream ….. please anet
Just remove the personal scoreboard. In a team based game, personal scores mean nothing anyway. All the personal scoreboard does is give people a reason to rage (sometimes unjustly) at people with less points.
I disagree because for alot of people its for fun. Like when i had a hotjoin and everyone on the map had over 200pts.( 8 vs 8 ) That was fun for anyone who thinks scores actually mean anything shows there noobness. So there no reason to listen to them.
If you play serious tourneys for any game you know each game has its own entity. Taking gw2 tourneys for instance. The abjured got handled 1 game by tcg and tcg got hit hard twice. They had 2 really close games out of 5 when there skills are equal.
Also if you know how to play you know your role on the team. If your saying that everyone on your team is running around like chickens. Then maybe your a chicken should practice using your mini map.
All im saying you cant expect anything to be perfect and not to mention not all premades are good, not all players in a team are good and you might of been in a 2-2-1 premade. Lastly esports is based on a 5 vs 5. Not aveage solo players queing together.
I killed every turret i played that day
L2P
If you serious about pvp you dont care about the scoreboard just the team end scores. I understand your complaint but i honestly dont think its a big deal.
Example is your tim duncan and im manu ginobli. Were the best players on our team, we know it the other players know it. We win the match and score the lowest points, does it matter?
ever think your team mates were a premade?
Ive ran into people who were just like you crying in map chat and when i joined them they already had 3 people partied up. UMMMMMM excuse me you guys are a pre made.
Also you think about how long they might of had to wait? You dont want a answer/reply but there is so many things your not considering. Also snowball effects happen because multiple players didnt play well on your team and multiple players played well on there team.
I find your topic on how to beat them funny but im wondering why?
The NA teams are getting crushed by them but the best EU teams all have given them a run for there money. It easily could of been 2-2 in china but they literally got tripled cap and couldnt take any back.
If were going to be honest, the NA teams overall arent as good/creative as the EU teams and we have a ton more players but were just not as interested in gathering players together for serious pvp tourneys. Heck you still got people crying for solo que when they alone takes away from the “team community” experience.
You want a team to beat the abjured, have the next 100 best players in the game commit to playing with one another in pvp settings. Those guys are great at there builds, there not fighting the best players in the game just the best players signing up for the tourneys.
hmmm maybe if you elaborated on the skill level, to be honest when ive played some of the best players of the game they dont say much. There are alot of self proclaimed elite players who talk trash. I usually check them on gw2 score.
If there under 70% win rate i dont usually consider them elite unless they destroy me 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 or in the match score.
I think they should be able too. If people are new i always suggest practice first so they can get use to the map and what nots but im ok with new players coming into ranked.
I also like when people get matched all over the place. For instance when i play a crappy team and then im on the crappy team. Its like a pro sport, 1 game im playing the 5 time champion spurs and the next game its the knicks but thats obviously me.
I mostly solo que as well and ill share what i do. I run to far if im the only one to do so and since i win a majority of of 1 vs 1 i either take the point or they have 2 people come to it to stop me. If someone else runs far i run straight to mid and i hold that.
If your team caps 2 quickly look at your mini map and check to see who are runners(people who dont say between the 2 points to defend)Youll get people who run to the gate/monster/ stillness etc. You need to make sure you either stay on cap point if you dont have great mobility or stay between the 2 to try and hold both.
You will never get the high score this way but you will win more of your matches. You will occasionally get some idiot who blames you for the loss and your low score but this is how i deal with solo ques. My goal in solo ques are 50% win and when i get good team mates its around 70%. Once you adjust your playing stayle let everyone know if there was a difference or if you notcied anything different.
Speak for yourself only, i had to wait over 10 min a match at the end and to be honest it was some of the worst team play ive ever seen. To this day people still dont undertand there roles.
Some builds are meant to fight of point and others are meant to fight on point. Solo que imo stopped the growth of the pvp commmunity. You see people coming on here talking about people fighting off point. Yeah most thieves and mesmers are supposed too. Also many rangers and other hybrid builds are suppose to fight off point.
Solo que made was a not a good thing in the short run or overall but you can believe what you wish.
A: OP and needs Nerf? None
B: engi, ele thief, warr
C: everything else
D: None
See i disagree, me and all my friends struggle with a really good mesmers then thiefs and warriors but everyone to there own i guess.
If your doing ranked i suggest unranked or vice versa, depending on the day i find better players in unranked.
Im sorry i cant agree, every class has a way to remove condi with traits alone. FOr instance warrior trait has the remove 1 condi which is normally a shout so if you trait x-x-x-4-x. You dont need that shout, then theres cleansing ire so now that 3 gone plus a shout removal rune if you go shouts. Ele every time you attune to water or get regen or give regen to a ally. Necros remove condi like no ones business so im not sure what your talking about simply because these things ive taked about are traits, there not even part of your skill uses.
Ok i usually not to try and bring up this topic cause we have all said something about. Im curious when anet is gonna change it. Let me share what happened.
Yesterday me and 1 guild friend joined these 2 other rangers for a pvp match. Both rangers claimed to be in the top 200 on the leaderboard. They were both LB/GS rangers. So we qued together and faced a team with almsot a identical set. We had 2 warriors, 2 rangers and a thief. They had the same thing except 1 warrior 1 guaridan.
We then go on to lose 500-5. The five coming from my 1 kill, i got the kill far later in the match being i ran mid and the 2 rangers on my team also ran in the circle to cap and they dropped almost instantly. At one point one of them claimed they were hacking. I replied how, he said there thief killed me in 1 sec. I asked are you all dps. He replied with a yes and said this game mechanics are so messed up.
Let me end with that i dont like the idea of solo que. Let me also state i dont think there should be a requirement to play ranked games. There does need to be a change though. If what these 2 green rangers said was true about them being in the top 200 on the leader board and the fact they crumbled when playing higher tier players. I actually played 2 unranked games and the players in there were better then the guys i lost too 500-5. Im not sure how you change the queing situation but your having better players play unranked.
I have no idea what your overall plan is but atm this is getting really bad. Im not sure where to que to play the best players. I come on here seeing the topics of premades vs pugs and blah blah blah. Obviously we should care about these guys voices but when im with my guild we run into the crappiest premades. To the point were 2 of them actually feel bad. Im almost certain the guys we should of been fighting were in unranked. After playing 2 matches with the so called leader board elite im also curious when/ if a change to it is coming to the structure of the leaderboard?
Thank you
can we also nerf everything else in the game so no one can play pvp
I honestly dont think theres anything wrong with pvp atm. Since the might patch i can hang with the best with my staff ele. Simply its come down to dodging and landing the big hits for both sides.
Also i can beat anyone with my warrior 1 vs1 . I dont understand what else you want from pvp from a class perspective. This is the most balanced pvp situation ive ever seen.
If you want to talk skill level and understanding thats another thing. The classes themselves are fine.
LOL everyone needs to sttop talking about how he promoted himself ans stay on topic. I disagree cause everyone should have the right to try it. For instance i play 1 hotjoin win and unranked and win and i might want to play in ran. That person should be able too.
Also for those like myself, you just want to compete vs the best. Even if i lose i want to compete vs the best and see whats out there. I remember playing a long time ago vs a premade team all lvl 70’s and this was before the pvp patch. So me and my guild mates kept fighting them 3-4 games in a row. We lost all those games 500-100 or less but it didnt bother us because we all wanted the challenge.
Obviously everyone is different and they all react differently to these skill gaps but i think people should have a right to check them out and see if its worth it for themselves. Harvest has alot of games put in which im fine with for his points but ill point out you have the option to meet people and not solo que which would lessen your chance for pugs. I know personally that when i play with some of my guild friends even with 1-2 we have a much better chance of winning cause we understand where to rotate even without ts. This game was meant to be social and i understand you dont want to play with 4 other pugs and the simple answer to me is to find some other decent players to play with.
Im sorry but this pvp and thats a solid build and its good for pugs to play against and learn. Im sorry but i havent struggled against a turret engy in 2 years. My 3 fave classes for pvp is ham/bow warrior, staff ele and short bow ranger and guess what i dont lose to turret engys.
At what point do we hold the players accountable for there ability to understand there limitations and there ability to play with in the team? Instead of talking about a build that beats new players why not talk how to get new players to play within there lane.
Like Ray Lewis says, “do your job, not his job. He will do his job, stay in your lane and do what you need to do to win the game.”
Seriously how many games do you need to play to say ohhh i cant beat that build, ummmm dont engage then smart guy
What this guy said ^^^^^
im sorry, your complaining about how many skills you get to use in pvp. Its a bit silly because your talking the elite skill where 1/2 the people use the greatsword or the glyph. Im sorry but what do you want? Theres 3 elite builds, 1 staff, 1 d/d and 1 s/f. Seriously you have a choice, what else are you looking for? Your seriously complaining becuase you want more options?
Also this isnt gw1, only robots could play gw1. Alot of the gw1 fans obviously bought this game thinking it expand off of that but this game is so much better in every aspect other then lore, all im asking is you to take that game for what it was and see the beauty in this system.