Guild Wars 2

What do you think the reward for collecting every legendary should be?

It’s probably not in the collection, because it is unlikely that many people will be able to collection every single legendary. Not to mention there probably be new legendaries coming out later.

Is the gear soul bound on equip?

well you can craft a bunch of ascended gear, put the legendary skin on it, and put different sigil in it.

That’s what I did with ascended gear. I craft 3 ascended berseker greatsowrds and put different sigil depend on situation. and ya it’s kind of cost a bunch of gold to do that.

I got a bunch of account bound item for dragon’s reach part 1 and 2.

It says it is for ascended backpiece in the wiki

I’m wondering if I toss those account bound item away, will I be able to get them again if I redo the quest?

Those items are clutering my inventory, and I havn’t decided if I want to craft the backpiece yet.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

The spike is due to the collection achievement to obtain all 3 sets of ascended armor. It rewards you with a 200g exotic. People who were close or only ever made one type or armor are now crafting it again to try for this achievement.

what’s the 200 gold exotic?

Is it just a random named exotic you can choose from?

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

anzenketh.3759:

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

You have some of the old Transmutation tokens. How do you not have a level 80 yet if you’ve been playing that long. :-|

It could be his alt.

He says in the OP that he doesn’t have any level 80 characters. I just don’t believe him.

Maybe he bought the game a long time ago, played a bit, take a long break, and come back again.

Base on what people is saying if you opened exotic champ bag with lower level character. You still have a chance on receiving lvl80 exotic.

Is the Gilded lockbox you receive exotic?

Ayrilana, read what you wrote first.

Unless I’m mistaken, or you just wrote it too quickly without thinking…

Prices could easily increase as a result making you no better off than you were before. This is also neglecting the impact this would have on wool, cotton, and linen scraps.

You also wrote prices “could”. I probably missed that. So you aren’t so sure yourself.

Not saying it won’t have an effect. I think you are pushing the idea too far.

Stars.2179:

Ayrilana.1396:

laokoko.7403:

Ayrilana.1396:

laokoko.7403:

So Mr economist. Please tell me why silk price rise in the past week.

Increased demand for ascended armor because of the collections.

so mr economist, decreasing demand wouldn’t cause a change in price. So reducing the amount of silk needed won’t cause a change in the demand of silk.

Anyway I’m done.

You may want to double-check that.

We do not know the effect demand of silk in reducing the amount of silk need. If we assume the same amount of ascended armor is demanded, then yes, it will cause a decrease in the demand of silk.

However, this change might increase the demand for ascended armor, which cancel out the other effect and won’t decrease the demand of silk anyway.

let’s say we decrease the amount of silk needed by half. This person says ascended armor will still cost the same money because silk price will double?

That is kind of pushing it. That’s what this person is basically saying.

ya and dont’ tell me that will cause the lower tier cloth to increase, you can decrease the amount needed for that too.

Or just give us a way to farm cloth directly.

and I’m not really complaining about silk. I’m just discussing people’s logic… Either I’m really stupid, or some people’s logic just dont’ make sense.

Ayrilana.1396:

laokoko.7403:

Ayrilana.1396:

laokoko.7403:

So Mr economist. Please tell me why silk price rise in the past week.

Increased demand for ascended armor because of the collections.

so mr economist, decreasing demand wouldn’t cause a change in price. So reducing the amount of silk needed won’t cause a change in the demand of silk.

Anyway I’m done.

You may want to double-check that.

let’s say ascended armor now cause 80 gold. Your assumption is people would still spend 80 gold to craft ascended armor if amount of silk needed is reduced.

That is the most **** argument I have ever heard. You would be right if the whole GW2 economy revolve around ascended armor. But it don’t.

Ayrilana.1396:

laokoko.7403:

So Mr economist. Please tell me why silk price rise in the past week.

Increased demand for ascended armor because of the collections.

so mr economist, decreasing demand wouldn’t cause a change in price. So reducing the amount of silk needed won’t cause a change in the demand of silk.

Anyway I’m done.

Ayrilana.1396:

Labjax.2465:

Ayrilana.1396:

Labjax.2465:

I mean, aside from overabundance meaning it has no real sale value, how would that make it any different from the other level 80 mats. Orichalcum is perhaps the only other one that sells for anything past a silver.

You may want to check the prices again for cloth scraps and ore.

You know, you could just save time and try to tell me what specifically you think is incorrect about what I said with examples, instead of the cryptic, superiority nonsense.

Most cloth scraps sell for over a silver. Most wood logs sell for over a silver. Iron and Platinum ore sell for over a silver.

he said lvl80 materials. I presume he mean the highest tier. You guys probably just have some misunderstanding.

and dont’ bother telling me iron and wood are lvl80 material too because ascended material need them. I understand.

RiverSong.5067:

I think it is time to admit that was a mistake. I even think it has been a while since it became apparent. I’m not saying to roll it back, they probably feel it needs some adjustments but there are other possibilities.

I don’t think it is a mistake.

Ascended armor is intended to be a long term goal. And the gold sink is probably there to drain people out of money.

My solution for you is farm more, spend real money, or play the trading post. Or just try to be happy with exotic. If those don’t help, you can play another game. Because honestly, I doubt it is going to change.

Ayrilana.1396:

laokoko.7403:

Ayrilana.1396:

If the number of silk scraps is reduced, the amount of people attempting to craft the damask bolts increases which then increases the demand for silk scraps. Prices could easily increase as a result making you no better off than you were before. This is also neglecting the impact this would have on wool, cotton, and linen scraps.

Making it so that damask bolts cost the same as the other items is the wrong way to go. The reason why they’re so much more expensive is because of the incredible demand as they’re used for all three crafts. For the longest time, silk armor was the cheapest of the three to craft. I don’t remember seeing an uproar about that disparity. Now that it’s flipped some people are all like “oh **llz nah!”

So how about you post a solution.

For every topic you talked about things expensive, you just push all the problem to demand.

So how about a solution there?

I don’t see a problem so why would i need to post a solution?

Since there is no problem. Why do you say other people’s solution is wrong. You could just tell them silk price isn’t too expensive.

Ayrilana.1396:

If the number of silk scraps is reduced, the amount of people attempting to craft the damask bolts increases which then increases the demand for silk scraps. Prices could easily increase as a result making you no better off than you were before. This is also neglecting the impact this would have on wool, cotton, and linen scraps.

Making it so that damask bolts cost the same as the other items is the wrong way to go. The reason why they’re so much more expensive is because of the incredible demand as they’re used for all three crafts. For the longest time, silk armor was the cheapest of the three to craft. I don’t remember seeing an uproar about that disparity. Now that it’s flipped some people are all like “oh **llz nah!”

So how about you post a solution.

For every topic you talked about things expensive, you just push all the problem to demand.

So how about a solution there?

I probably dont’ smell really good…

1) If you (or your character) likes peanut butter do you prefer chunky or smooth?
chunky

2) If you are a US citizen (or if your character would be one if animated in our mechanical world) please answer the following: If I offered you $300 cash, and went further to ask you what denomination you would like your money to be delivered, what would that be? All 50s, all 20s, two hundred dollar bills and 5 20s? Want it all in pennies or quarters? Answer
All 20’s
3) I need to know you (or your character’s) favorite pizza toppings.
hawaian

4) If you (or your character) are a dog lover, do you like German Shepherds, Pugs, or Boston Terriers?
I’m a cat lover

5) Do you or your character prefer mathematics or the humanities?
humanities

Anyone know how long the events last?

Or is there anyway to do the events so the events change to the other side?

I thought a 10 minutes wait is enough for it to change. After doing like 24 times.

it’s probably not too bad. Some of the other investment are worse.

For example dwayna recipe went from 4000 gold to 100 gold.

I bought a bunch of keeper’s recipe, went from 1000 gold to 200 gold, I waited a few month and sold it for 1000 gold, and now it is 3000 gold.(well actually 2000 after I recheck it) All I can say Lol.

Rauderi.8706:

Well beyond old news. Those prices spiked with Ascended armor crafting. The forums have been griping about that and precursor inflation for months.

Right, that’s what brought silk price to 2 silver.

I thought 2 silver would be the stable price, but I suppose that’s wrong. I guess it was still on the climb.

Wanze.8410:

laokoko.7403:

I was away for a few month.

Came back and silk went from 2 silver to 3 silver. Is there a recent patch that increased the demand for silk?

Your post history suggests otherwise.

Right, I was away for a few month from the game. But I’m still active on the forum.

I was away for a few month.

Came back and silk went from 2 silver to 3 silver. Is there a recent patch that increased the demand for silk?

I think economy is doing good.

Some of the inflation(item spike in price) is probably intended… Most of the item spiked in price are more luxury items. Like Vol said it is more demand inflation targeting specific items. For example a few of the items used in collection achievement have spiked in price.

TheGrimm.5624:

As far as buying limited versions of the tools from an NPC, that can be done as well but the pricing is going to be the sticky part. The pick cost 1300 gold in current conversion. So its got to be inline with that. Good hunting gathering!

you mean 130 gold, not 1300.

I’m a bit bothered by the pick, because you never know if Anet will introduce new pick with even more advantage..

That being said, 130 gold isn’t a big deal. I look at the price of silk now and it make me puke. It cost a fortune to get a set of ascended armor.

Besides, the pick is only good if you are a full time miner, else you probably can’t even recover the 130 gold.

Just go buy the watchwork pick yourself if it bothers you that much. (when it is on sale next time).

I don’t know what’s the big deal. The hack you could buy gold in this game. And it cost like 60$ just for a set of ascended armor. 10$ isn’t a big deal.

CalamityO.2890:

laokoko.7403:

I think it is very constructive to tell the developer that we really hate it, and hope they just stop with have all this gated level unlock.

The thing is some people just think it is a hate thread and nonconstructive.

Hyperbole and rage isn’t constructive. Take a look at the guy posts from where I quoted from. And he is right. He gave a constructive and logical argument. With solutions. Most are just demanding that they get it their way. Some have actually tried the new system. They’ve invested their time in to it – to give an insightful opinion, to refute all the hyperbole and misconception. What everyone else wants…is the old system back. So hypothetically the game reverts back to the old system. Good, back to the other rage…releasing new, permanent content.

Right, and you are using hyperbole even more than other people does. Linking people who complain as hyperbole and rage.

If people don’t like the way game is design, they are free to express their opinion. You dont’ have to agree with them, because that is their personal opinion.

You act like people agreeing with anet are the one refute all the hyperbole and misconception. And anyone complaining is just raging and hyperbole.

Behellagh.1468:

Rogue.7856:

Yes I truly don’t see the problem in expressing how much we dislike something. I don’t want to sugar coat it… I absolutely hate all the gated content added, and it was already noted how much we hated the trait system and they clearly didn’t get the message. I want them to know that I feel its unacceptable to keep any of the gated changes and level locking story content. It’s unnecessary and limiting what we can do in the game.

But all of these changes aren’t about us. It’s about the new customer, one that may have never played an MMO before. I personally don’t have that much of a problem with the level gating IF play time it takes to get to 40 is the same as it was to get to 30 before. I’m all for removing info blocks for vets. Things like the map not having mat nodes or vistas.

But we as vets already know where to go to get find an actual TP NPC or buy gathering tools and salvage kits assuming we didn’t transfer the permanent ones over to the new character.

But stamping your feet every hour of every day isn’t going to get the bugs they’ve said they have found fixed and tweaks done any faster.

I thought all veterans should have lvl20 scrolls(or at least most of them should have enough). That is why I’m complaining and many others too, because we dont’ actually get benefit from lvl1-15 being faster.

That being said, if the developer intent to juts ignore us, and continue with it, posting more about it may be nonconstructive.

I obviously understand the developer have lots of pressure to retain new players, and keep china customer and publisher happy. I think some of this changed happen, because the chinese publisher may some how suggest some system may come to us too.

CalamityO.2890:

Nokaru.7831:

If we’re actually going to have a thread discussing the NPE, can it actually be full of constructive criticism and suggestions instead of just rage and hyperbole? This thread looks like it’s already going south, so I hope this won’t be the place to talk about it.

….to late for that. It already is!.

I think it is very constructive to tell the developer that we really hate it, and hope they just stop with have all this gated level unlock.

The thing is some people just think it is a hate thread and nonconstructive.

Bloodstealer.5978:

laokoko.7403:

Vorch.2985:

Obtaining 100% in all collections is quite an undertaking….you should expect it to be expensive.

I do not believe that it is realistic to assume that obtaining 1 of everything that has ever existed in any video game should be an easy feat.

quite honestly, I dont’ care about 100% collections, but some collections rewards are acutally quite good. I really just want the karmic converter, that’s why I’m interest in that specific collection.

I presume the 1000 gold the OP talked about is actually about that too. And actually the price have dropped some what so I dont’ think it cost that much now.

I think the OP are more concerned about the price spike. someone was complaining about it earlier on the BLTC. What used to cost 300 gold now become 1000 gold. That being said, I think those people are exaggerating, I dont’ think it cost that much.

To be honest.. it would not matter what items had a facelift in game and became a little more important.. it could be literally anything, and someone who likes to play the TP as part of their fun will take a stab at hoarding things in readiness for the update.. .. minis, dyes, etc etc.. all have seen price spiking of late not just the new craze for some exotic names things.. to not expect price spikes around updates etc is a little naïve though.. and of course it goes back to the OP not having to spend anything on them if he/she didn’t want to cos there isn’t any rush to be that special snowflake.
In a short space of time the prices will likely normalise again.. Mini’s are a decent example of that, cos prior to the update they began to spike by around 50%+.. now they are already dropping back to what they were weeks before and so will other items as more and more players obtain them.

I dont’ know, there is a bunch of games that dont’ have item change price as volatile as GW2 have. Actually I can’t think of any MMORPG does that except GW2. I think you are just talking about this game in general. Obviously other game have it too, but GW2 take it to the extreme.

zenleto.6179:

Ohoni.6057:

As has been detailed many times we will not be disclosing work in progress. I don’t know how to make this any clearer. As uncomfortable as this may be this is the reality.

Yeah, but as I’ve said, that policy needs to change. It’s like saying “I’m sorry, but we’re just going to be deleting all of your characters when they hit level 53, and there’s nothing to be done about that, I don’t know how to make this any clearer.”

It’s just a toxic policy, and you can never have a fully healthy relationship with the community until it is disposed of. I give you a great deal of credit for trying anyway, but it’s like boxing with both hands behind your back.

And on the flipside the community needs to recognise that there is a limit, or a boundary if you want, to how far they can go with expecting answers from questions. People may not be happy with it but it’s there.

I think the policy is in place so if there is any change, they won’t kick their self in the tongue.

I think the developer previously says they are going to rethink the level gating for utility and elite, but I think they changed that idea again.

Behellagh.1468:

Funny, I’ve always heard that players under level 80 and not kitted out with exotics if not better are entirely worthless in dungeons and WvW. At least that’s the attitude I’ve seen.

well you have better excuse to kick them now.

I think the problem is their whole idea of making everyone play together, and reuse material.

It puzzles my mind why Anet want new players and people with thousand of playing hours to play together. Obviously there is the point that you can’t find people to play with.

Nokaru.7831:

If we’re actually going to have a thread discussing the NPE, can it actually be full of constructive criticism and suggestions instead of just rage and hyperbole? This thread looks like it’s already going south, so I hope this won’t be the place to talk about it.

You mean like the trait change? We are carrying with even more unlocks now.

Do you think they need more people talking about they don’t want unlocks?

They probably make the decision anyway, and not sure if anything will change their mind.

I think a casual players should manage 1 or 2 of those skins just fine. those skins cost 50-100 gold.

Personally, I only unlocked the Halloween greatsword, just pick a few of the more pretty ones.

Getting a bunch of them is the problem. Those are for the hardcore.

If you are just interested in getting 1 or 2 of those skin, spend $10 on gems and convert it to gold would solve your problem.

If you intend to collect a “whole” bunch of them, you probably have to spend a lot of real or in game gold…

My suggestion is just pick a few of the really cool looking skins.

ColinJohanson.2394:

- There are some things happening at the wrong levels. Things like utility skills and elites are intended to come at approx. the same time they used to in actual game time, we sped up leveling for levels 1-15 and had them slide back in levels a bit to offset that pacing, they are not currently where we want them to be in the level up system. This was an oversight, and will absolutely be fixed.

Hope I an’t causing problems. Will we be seeing change to the levels utilities and elites are unlocked. Or the decision is final to keep the way it is now.

I understand design decision keeps changing in a games life cycle. So wonder if the developer changed their decision and just keep the way things is now.

ozmaniandevil.6805:

Meh, this doesn’t seem like a very good deal to me. 7 tickets seems like a lot, but it’s really not, considering the price of most of the skins (whether in gold or tickets).

Right, but I think it is mainly for people who “want” to complete sets.

Say a person complete a set with 19 skins. When the next black lion set release another 19 skin again, he only need to collect 12 etc etc.., It does make completionist life much easier.

I think the devs somewhat have pressures to bring the system to US GW2.

Consider other regions(china) have unlocks too, if they don’t bring it here, other region will be in rage(like they already have).

Eggman.1405:

laokoko.7403:

I don’t think there is a solution to this. I find others games with similar system suffer from the same problem. Unless they change the system where people can place a min and max bid, the problem will never be solved.

How would this help exactly if the bot is just going to +1c your max bid?

it don’t. but it is slightly less frustrating to keep 1 up the bots, at least I can go to sleep now =).

Say an item have a buy order of 1 gold. I can set a buy order of 1.01-1.30 gold. If no one bid against me I’ll buy it for 1.01, if someone keep upping me, it’ll automatically set it to higher price.

Essentially, it is kind of like what the bot is doing. But the bot still have advantage to do better decision.

I take it that the developer are maintaining that elite are still unlocked at lvl40, and other utilities are still unlocked at a much later level. Because they think lvl1-15 speed up should compensate it?

^ right, but if the bots placed a mass order say 10, it is most likely other people’s buy order will never be filled.

unless the profit margin is small enough, that the person no longer want to outbid.

Funny thing is having those bidders bidding every 1 minutes brought the buy and sale price closer. And thus make the price closer to equilibrium! Great for the economy! That’s what people say about flippers.

I don’t think there is a solution to this. I find others games with similar system suffer from the same problem. Unless they change the system where people can place a min and max bid, the problem will never be solved.

Vorch.2985:

Obtaining 100% in all collections is quite an undertaking….you should expect it to be expensive.

I do not believe that it is realistic to assume that obtaining 1 of everything that has ever existed in any video game should be an easy feat.

quite honestly, I dont’ care about 100% collections, but some collections rewards are acutally quite good. I really just want the karmic converter, that’s why I’m interest in that specific collection.

I presume the 1000 gold the OP talked about is actually about that too. And actually the price have dropped some what so I dont’ think it cost that much now.

I think the OP are more concerned about the price spike. someone was complaining about it earlier on the BLTC. What used to cost 300 gold now become 1000 gold. That being said, I think those people are exaggerating, I dont’ think it cost that much.

Right, anyway, I just checked spidy, and I think price for exotic hunter actually spiked after september 9th.

So I don’t think the spike is because of insider information.

And even if there are no inside information, someone will most likely found out before you and stock pile on the items.

Vesuvius.9874:

Does everyone here understand that the idea behind collections is to go out into the world of Tyria and collect things? and not, you know, simply buy them off the TP and cry about how everything is overpriced? If it’s overpriced, then go collect it like it’s meant to.

I presume the OP mean exotic hunter achievement.

In my 5000 hours played I probably found around 4-5 of the 34 exotic. Maybe if I played 100,000 hours more, I’ll get it the normal way.

Ok I’m exaggerating, if I spend 5000 hours “just farming champ bag” I probably get most of it by now. But that is just not realistic. You are better of farming gold and buy them.

mtpelion.4562:

laokoko.7403:

mtpelion.4562:

If you are willing to wait, place a buy order and it will most likely fill.

It will never be filled because people 1 copper up you and place 10 orders in 1 minutes. That’s what the OP is complaining. How someone is manage to do that, I have no idea.

The only way I see to combat it is place a much higher bid. If you eat away the person’s profit margin, they can’t 1 copper up you. Just like someone posted already (place order at sell price minus 20%).

If the price spread is wide enough for flipping, then the item isn’t at equilibrium yet and your offer may not ever be filled.

If the price spread is narrow, then your offer WILL be filled when the price fluctuates to include your offer.

When buying gear to use, I always check the spread and fire off a buy order and it always fills.

The demand for regular gear is pretty flat, so your buy offer will eventually be #1 again, given about a week or so.

If you are going for stuff with valuable runes/sigils, can be used for hot precursor forging, or is collectible, then you are going to be competing with everyone else playing the game and will probably never get an order filled unless you spend every waking minute camping it.

Right, but you are in denial someone could be using a script of sort. The thing the OP and me point out is it seemed to always be the same person because the person always place 10 orders and 1 copper up.

What you are assuming is there should be no profit for flipping. Well, at this rate, there probably will be no profit for flipping. Unlike previously, some items actually have some profit margin.

What stand out is the person is always placing 10 bid. The OP says exotic weapon market. I’m targeting exotic armor market, and it is affected too. I’m not sure if the other market happened too.

dekou.6012:

The previous system was much clearer in that you got the same thing every level. Now you never know what you’ll get. It’s similar to the trait revamp in that the new system makes aquiring trait points a non-linear affair and that’s weird. They should’ve just kept the 1sp/lvl system and given you one trait every five levels after 15. That’s much simpler.

I don’t think that is necessary true.

It is probably more of you are accustomed to the old system, that is why you find the new system confusing.

A new player probably wont’ even notice.

mtpelion.4562:

If you are willing to wait, place a buy order and it will most likely fill.

It will never be filled because people 1 copper up you and place 10 orders in 1 minutes. That’s what the OP is complaining. How someone is manage to do that, I have no idea.

The only way I see to combat it is place a much higher bid. If you eat away the person’s profit margin, they can’t 1 copper up you. Just like someone posted already (place order at sell price minus 20%).

I dont’ know if it is the work of bots, but I do find it hard to buy things that have a profit margin.

And as a joke, I would say the bots are making the price more close to equilibrium faster.

My take is even if bots are illegal, there are probably API who notify you if you get outbids, those are probably legal.

Worse yet, there are more than 1 bot which keep bidding on each other.

quite honestly, I notice the same thing. But if I outbid by a higher profit margin, the other party wont’ follow. For example I’m trying to get some dark matter, and bought a bunch of exotic with certain rune, what I notice only a few will get outfit, and the person placed 10 orders right after my bids.

Maybe the person is saying the same thing about you. Why is this person keep 1 up me….

All joke aside, it is possible that some bot is in the work. But so is possible another person is doing the same thing you are doing.

Instead of 1 up by 1 copper, try 1 up more.

Behellagh.1468:

laokoko.7403:

Behellagh.1468:

The permanent licenses are pure bait, always have been. They were awesome surprises when they first dropped but they are clearly white whale material.

In the original GW costumes, what we called outfits, cost $6.99. Outfits cost 700 gems or $8.75. It’s nothing like the ticket skin racket which is the only really costly skins in the game.

well, I just went and spent $8.75 to buy an ceremonial outfit.

The other stuff I want would cost hundreds of dollar. Those money I personally just can’t afford.

You mean keys then because unless you are buying all the armor and outfits or piles of minis there really isn’t anything a player can spend hundreds of dollars on.

A few ascended armor and weapon set, permanent hair license, hallowean chain saw, ghastly shield, legendaries.

Those just arn’t things you can get by spending 10$ a month.

Behellagh.1468:

The permanent licenses are pure bait, always have been. They were awesome surprises when they first dropped but they are clearly white whale material.

In the original GW costumes, what we called outfits, cost $6.99. Outfits cost 700 gems or $8.75. It’s nothing like the ticket skin racket which is the only really costly skins in the game.

well, I just went and spent $8.75 to buy an ceremonial outfit.

The other stuff I want would cost hundreds of dollar. Those money I personally just can’t afford.

Behellagh.1468:

laokoko.7403:

I think people spend too much time arguing about definition.

Obviously those people who real life money can skip a lot of grind to gain “things” faster.

For example “hey! there is some cool thing in gem store” I’ll just spend 10$ on it. Or you can spend 10 hours farming in game for it.

kitten those rich people =). I hope I’m rich so I can toss money around the gem store =(

As they spend $8 for their morning double shot mocha latte or $9 on a pack of cigs or stop by the pub on the way home for a couple of craft beers for a ten spot.

Nope, not spending $10 on gems.

ya I think the problem is most of the $10 stuff on gem store I can afford with in game gold.

But some of the other really expensive items, like legendary, or permanent hair license, or collecting some pretty skins will cost me hundreds of $. I can’t throw a few hundreds of $ around, and spending 10$ for me is kind of pointless.