Guild Wars 2

Nerf berserker builds? Sorry, did we just spent hundreds of gold and hours grinding multiple ascended armour and weapon sets for nothing? Why should we have our gear stat combination nerfed just so we can move to the second highest DPS option just so everyone can then move on to complaining about that instead?

Behellagh.1468:

Harper.4173:

Behellagh.1468:

So the OP is about how AP isn’t a measure of player skill but it’s the best elite groups have to initially filter the rift-raft.

My point, as the rift-raft, was it’s near impossible to do dungeons because everyone LFP are excluding my kind. Forming a group on my own had gotten me kicked because players who joined my group because they didn’t think I measured up to their eliteness and therefore hijack my attempt to get experience in a dungeon by taking my group for themselves. Or alternatively, quit mid dungeon because it’s not going fast enough for them, even though the comment says we will be taking it slow, screwing the remaining players over.

It’s the sense of entitlement that dungeons are only for elites and if you aren’t already, go home that I’m rallying against.

I do understand what you’re saying.
It’s hard to catch up if you’ve missed out on the start of things – when it was new for everybody and not easy.

A few tips :

Watch youtube videos that explain in detail the content you’re about to attempt.

Create your own group adding emphasis on the fact that you’re inexperienced or want newbie friendly runs.

Run with someone more experienced on voice chat so that they can tell you what and when to do it in real time ( this worked very well for a few friends of mine – drastic improvements all around).

Find people who are willing to teach and care about the community ( there are a lot of these self-proclaimed saviors of the community on the forums – but I rarely see them in game sadly).

Another note is that while I do understand your plight I can’t really agree with the fact that you’re calling us “entitled” in a negative way.

Yes – I am entitled to my own time in the game.
Yes – I am entitled to have fun in the game that I play.

It has nothing to do with you personally but if you aren’t the kind of person I enjoy playing the game with then yes – I won’t party up with you.

And no – nobody has an obligation to teach or carry others in runs.
Some people do it because they like to. Some people don’t.
Some people have done it and are now burned out on it. Some people don’t have the time.
Some people don’t care.

Each of them has a right to play the game how they want and with whomever they want – so if that person isn’t you I don’t think it’s fair to direct your hostility towards them.

Knowledge and experience are things that come with time. Time is a resource and it isn’t free.
I’ve been kicked out of runs – I’ve been new to content. I’ve sometimes asked people to teach me – I’ve sometimes paid some gold for that help.

Ultimately if there’s a will there’s a way.

You still seem to be under the impression that there is only one “right way to play” from equipment to tactics and anyone who deviates from it is doing it wrong.

So no, I’m not going to review videos showing me how to do that level. Just as I’m not going to slavishly follow a character build guide to “maximize” my performance. It’s your (the way of the elites) insistence that since I’m not playing it your way as the reason I’m being excluded from playing this content. I don’t want to play with elites, I don’t join their pugs. I don’t want to play with people who take a game way too seriously. But I want to play the content. At least in PvE, with the exceptions of dungeons, I don’t need to conform to somebody else’s playstyle, build out, equipment selection, simply to do the game’s content.

But I don’t want to be forced to equip my character a particular way, rearrange my traits, change my weapon load outs, simply to do dungeons. I want to do dungeons with my current character with their current items and traits and weapon choices. I want to watch the cinematic bits at least once. But I can’t find like minded players to join me during the times I play and I need to find other players because dungeons require parties. And I’m sure as heck not going to pay someway for the privileged to play with them. Have MMO players really sunk this low that it’s all about the gold per hour and not about the fun anymore? Guess it depends on hour you define fun.

And BTW, don’t have voice chat, or a headset, or a web cam and I’m not on any form of social media. I like my anonymity. If you can’t be bothered to type a message then you are playing to fast for me. Not an FPS player. Don’t have any gamer gear in terms of keyboards, mice or keypads. I’m old and slow and crappy at jump puzzles. Actually jumping in general. But I need dungeons to get badges to use toward a legendary or dungeon armor sets and that’s my quandary.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-Mentors-Noob/first – the option is here for you – we don’t even need you to be in meta gear and builds.

Behellagh.1468:

So the OP is about how AP isn’t a measure of player skill but it’s the best elite groups have to initially filter the rift-raft.

My point, as the rift-raft, was it’s near impossible to do dungeons because everyone LFP are excluding my kind. Forming a group on my own had gotten me kicked because players who joined my group because they didn’t think I measured up to their eliteness and therefore hijack my attempt to get experience in a dungeon by taking my group for themselves. Or alternatively, quit mid dungeon because it’s not going fast enough for them, even though the comment says we will be taking it slow, screwing the remaining players over.

It’s the sense of entitlement that dungeons are only for elites and if you aren’t already, go home that I’m rallying against.

I have made anyone welcome parties and that has never happened to me. If people are crying the run isn’t going fast enough they can just leave anyway, it’s not like I care. And if you want experience in dungeons you can always join the mentor guild in the dungeon subforum and get experience in any instance you want in a friendly, controlled environment.

Off hand axe works on a lot of arah bosses.

barely anything is posted on there so I only really pay attention to the chat box T_T

Someone sounds mad. Maybe you should take the time to learn to solo and then reap the benefits of it for yourself.

30/25 works fine in groups since it actually applies decent vuln unlike pure gs. I just want to see the actual dps difference between strength and scholar in the group situation.

there is no 30/25 strength rune warrior . RESTART THE CALCULATOR

Now that someone mentioned it … yeah. A lot of us in DnT use either inconspicuous anyone welcome or joke lfgs to get our groups. We are also more likely to join joke lfgs out of morbid curiosity too. Well I personally avoid the ping gear type of groups anyway, I’ve never been impressed by them. Plus in non descript groups it means I can take my condi warrior or my no-conjure-except-LH ele without some loser crying that I’m not letting him afk the dungeon with fiery casual sword.

The GW2 combat system isn’t dull at all. It’s basically the only reason a number of us even play the game anymore.

Zerkfreak? What even provoked that? Is that even called for?

ok guys pm me your twitter names so I can stalk you

Warriors can press 2 and gain a load of might, so yeah, they are the best might stackers.

Spend two seconds learning the ice elemental’s mechanics and you’ll realise how brain dead the fight is. Alphard, well the boxes are the whole mechanic so I doubt he is as insane to attack her in the open an get completely trash canned by the dagger storm. The golems, well I have a video on y YouTube of us using a low dps class comp, pulling them together and just killing them in the open. Like … they’re really easy.

Rampaging ice elemental is like afk faceroll, alphard is easy, 3 golems are easy. That’s a weird list of challenging bosses.

oh god don’t tempt me to log in to twitter

Harper.4173:

I understand what you’re saying – guildies are always better for me as well but regarding the carrying and pulling my weight and getting the party through – I disagree with you there.

I dislike carrying people – not that I can’t do it but I dislike doing it and don’t want to.
It’s a principle.
If there’s 4 of us and the 5th man is very bad and we have to carry him – I’d rather kick and replace.

If you want to complete content you should at least be decent at it and not rely on others to carry you through.
By carrying others you’re fostering this sort of behavior. People should improve themselves. Or at least try to.

Carrying them won’t help.

that’s fair enough. I honestly just think you’re setting yourself up for disappointment trying to get like minded players through the lfg. I mean the way I see it with dungeons, you have newbies who have never done it before, bad players who have done it before but continue to be bad, you have tryhards (“noob = KICK” types) who think they’re good but they’re actually nothing special, and then you have the actual experienced players – an extreme minority since most are playing in their guilds and it’s just rare occurrences like me who suffer from pug masochism – like I can say the amount of times I’ve laughed or rolled my eyes at groups being bad far exceeds the amount I’ve been impressed by their skill, getting experienced players is honestly just so rare. So I feel it’s best to just pug and have no standards, that way you’re not disappointed when they suck but then you’re impressed when they’re good.

Guaranteed t5 mat drop from elites, maybe a 25-33% chance of this upgrading to a t6 drop, done.

Imagine it – you do a dungeon and get 1.26g. In the dungeon run you cleared two sets of four elites, got 6 t5 mats and then two powerful bloods. Your dungeon run now gave you 2.26g + other loot.

The way I see it – just log on to a carry class and take on whoever. AP, “no noobs”, “experienced only”, it all means nothing – if noobs want to, they’ll sneak in and try to leech. You’ll get people with weird (i.e. they’re bad) interpretations of “experienced” trying to join your groups, you’ll get people with high AP who suck. I’ve had a guildie get some 18k AP ele who didn’t even know what FGS was, I had dungeon world records when I was <5k AP.

You’ll spend more time filtering out undesirables than if you just took the first four you got (maybe just make an “experienced, meta builds only” group) and then kicked people who sucked.

I dunno. If I want to play with experienced people, I play with guildies, pugs will never even be close to the calibre which we play at in guild so I don’t expect it. AP I just find a poor metric not worth using. There was a chance of us being able to show each other traits (the topic was about being able to save builds) but a bunch of people started crying saying there would probably be trait checks so ANet decided against it.

The way I see it though – if you’re actually experienced it doesn’t matter who you get, you’ll be able to pull your weight and get any party through. If you’re going to sit, waiting for experienced players it just shows you’re not as good as you think you are and you feel you need carrying.

The only thing mesmer punishes is the people playing them by giving them unreliable class mechanics and zero DPS.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Brace yourselves, P2W is coming!
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Suggestion-Put-P2W-in-GW2/first

Look out for that 20% damage sigil for the poor guy who drops a lot of money into the gemstore.

Wrong thread pal. :P

Will you drop 1000 bucks into the gemstore to get top notch damage?
Are ou ok with people clearing everything faster than you not because they’re better than you but because they’ve spent more money?

Well I’m used to bad players fgs #4’ing walls and not even needing to learn mechanics clearing content quicker than me, so it wouldn’t bother me. Though to be honest I’d probably just cough up the money for the damage sigil if it was considered game for records/fast boss kills because anything which makes my numbers bigger is worth getting.

You should be using rush off cooldown, when you run out phase 3 aoe you don’t blade trail or throw axe + impale, as mentioned dodge in to him. You whirled away once so when whirling in to him always click the skill instead of aiming with your mouse. Pre stack adrenaline so you open up the fight with berserkers power, push him before actually attacking, consider using dragon breath bun when killing transition grub then switch back to dps food so you get 200 power and your deeps food. If you want to go even harder, kill a grub before you even attack, but the amount of times lupicus just resets randomly just makes it a waste of time unless pushing for a record. Use hylek poison or med kit after going out of phase 3 aoe so you have swiftness and don’t need to eviscerate back in (taking ticks of damage makes him heal, don’t do it). Also, try conditions. Although I haven’t put too much effort in to it, post patch I have a 5:25 berserker lupicus and a 5:15 condition, both which I haven’t uploaded. To maintain might with strength runes you just do your regular rotation. Typing from a phone so probably made a bunch of errors and it means I couldn’t format my post nicely but I think I covered it all.

You mean “I find it more fun”. I don’t find killing everything fun.

I miss these days T_T

He’s not complaining at all. And he’s not being forceful saying that people should play the game his way either. The chance of getting a fully organised meta group is honestly just extremely slim when most of them just play in their own guilds.

Axe #5 is still worse than auto attack hitting lots of targets. Off hand axe can be used for easy bosses like giants, abominations and hunter/crusher though.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

No GS bashing?

Why would someone be paid to put together a guide and then bash a weapon which some people are going to insist on using? They didn’t even bash the completely useless warrior rifle.

literally everything is easy if you fgs it, why even say that

the best pugs are the ones that recognise me off the forums and give a little hero worship. second best are the ones I quietly carry and then either at the end or after lupicus express their gratitude for my effort helping the group – they make it all worth it to me. on the bottom end are organised groups I can afk faceroll the bosses with, they completely bore me to tears.

That’s cookie. I’m in Brazil’s hotw video though.

I should start making build videos with my beautiful British accent

They don’t need to tie reward to the amount of events completed in the dungeon, just give trash mobs loot tables that don’t suck. People kill the risen and destroyers in COE because they drop t6 and moldy bags. Make it so elite mobs either have a higher chance of t6 drops, or they drop 1 or 2 dragonite each. Or maybe just guaranteed t5 drop with a chance of t6.

either I’ve not done dungeons long enough and forgot but the only times I remember the camera being an issue is the end of aetherblade fractal, a certain LoS spot for Frost in CM and … That’s it?

can someone tell me when laar became such a badkitten, I feel like either I’m missing something or she released a massive amount of pent up rage about forum crybabies

Improving your individual experience =/= improving the game.

Draaq Cz.9642:

I never use potions because I don´t need them. Is that satisfying answer? :-D
I can survive any dungeon without being realiability to team – yes, rangers can be glass like but it is matter of proper build, armor and skills.
Potions need crafting (money sink), buying from TP (money sink), merchants (money sink) with very poor effect not worthy of mentioning.

Money sink? It’s literally 1 silver for a potion. Get a stack of them and it’s literally 2.5g for your next 250 runs of whatever path you use it on.

FrostSpectre.4198:

Well, the AP is used by the “Elite”, who are really “Elitist A holes”, not even close to being real elite.
As they are I think it’s ok, but as you pointed out, you can’t attain the APs since you with your play style.

This also points out how idiotic decision it is by the community’s Elitist A Holes to use AP as skill indicator.

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Dungeons, ANet just has to update the content with mobs and stuff that are impossible to skip or win with only berserker gear.

So for ANet:

• Make completition require all dungeon events to be done, no skipping allowed. (Kill the solo runners)
• Re-design the content of the dungeons, so that it’s impossible to win with only Berserker gear. (Even if this violates the “play how you want”, but group event content should always require cooperation)

What is wrong with soloing dungeons? It has no impact on you and it’s only a small niche of people who even do it.

the problem is I would have to look through four accounts to find anti stack posts :’(

this reminds me of the good ol days of us all ganging up on tafu threads and any other casuals who dared to enter our sanctuary. Shame most of the people then don’t post anymore though

I hate him

Mac.3872:

maha.7902:

Mac.3872:

The reason I am against stacking is because it is so kitten simplistic. I`ve been a hardcore raider for years and to me this game is just childs-play, with its lack of strategy and thought required. Its hard for me to understand why ANYONE would fervently defend such a basic game design.

Each to their own I guess.

I’m a hardcore raider so I think I’ll start playing the most casual MMO ever released with no raid content

Am I not allowed to play casual games too?

im saying it’s completely insane to go from a hardcore game to a casual game and then complain that the content is casual.

Nick.6972:

Yes, but of course. And Liadri was badly designed too.
Right?
It’s more engaging to watch the boss soak all the damage while you sand right next to him as spam your auto attack.

Why is liadri held up as some shining beacon of good design? I just did the orbs, ran to her, mashed keys and killed her. Is this some sort of super exciting challenging content? I’m not saying I want Mai trin to let me auto attack to death, I’m saying her mechanics are completely inconsistent with 99% of the game and there’s no in game documentation explaining this – in addition, the cannon phases are extremely tedious. This is why it is badly designed, not because I want to afk it. It’s not fun, inconsistent and it basically discriminates against necromancers.

A trait which locks you out of summoning phantasms but their contribution of dps is added to your actual weapon skills (so basically double your damage on weapon skills). There, Mesmer doesn’t suck anymore, mission successful.

Mac.3872:

The reason I am against stacking is because it is so kitten simplistic. I`ve been a hardcore raider for years and to me this game is just childs-play, with its lack of strategy and thought required. Its hard for me to understand why ANYONE would fervently defend such a basic game design.

Each to their own I guess.

I’m a hardcore raider so I think I’ll start playing the most casual MMO ever released with no raid content

KarlaGrey.5903:

Point was that GW had immense build variety, and builds that fell out of flavour could always be replaced by other, unless the entire zone/encounter or key skills were nerfed. But even then, past builds are evidence of the sheer variety it boasted at one point in time, something GW2 cannot do now, and could not do in the past.

Remove any attack type immunities from gw1 mobs (destroyers immune to fire attacks etc.) and the respective builds built around that. How many builds does that remove? Remove hero builds because you do everything in gw2 dungeons 5-man with real people. How many builds do you have now? Sounds to me a lot of this diversity was just tailoring to specific mob types, which gw2 mostly removed, and I don’t think it’s really that interesting having to shift builds because you’re going from fighting mob type 1 to mob type 2. Here’s the thing – anet simplified traits (70 points down to 14) because players were dumb and weren’t picking up minor and major traits like you are meant to – there are people in the game who would literally stick 18 points in to a trait line. So if you want any sort of complexity, this is not the game you are looking for.

Goon for Hire.7150:

maha.7902:

Goon for Hire.7150:

Laar.5476:

Doing damage is an exploit, why else do you think Arena Net introduced Nomad armor, the ultimate armor for real dungeon runners who don’t want to exploit by doing filthy, filthy damage.

I see the solution now: it’s to force everyone to wear Nomad armor, just like the elitists tried to make everyone wear Berserker armor. That way no one can do any damage, and we can all do dungeons the way Arena Net intended.

Oh, grow up.

Look, I get that this forum’s regulars are pro-stacking and tend to flip their kitten when it is brought up. But this goes beyond reasonable, straight past ridiculous, and over to the extreme side of sad. Please stop.

I love it. The OP can vomit his crybaby anti stacking bile and nobody says anything, but the moment someone makes a post on his level they’re called sad and told to stop. I hate this forum sometimes.

Our fault, is it? Last time I checked, it’s mostly the pro-stacking players flaunting thinly-veiled insults and making a mockery of anyone who’s not agreeing. Feel free to complain to them about the sorry state of this forum.

Edit:

I know this seems like a "let’s just be friends idea, but you deal realize that giving them hugs would involve a ‘taboo’ bit of stacking they are strongly against. “Play How I Wants” are adamantly against hugging for obvious reasons!

Hug Boon: Be friends with others for the good of the community! Affected
targets recieve Healing Tears granting Full Health, Stability, 50% reduced
damage and a 50% boost to combat efficiency.
Cures: "I hate elitist/stacking ‘zerkers’ damage-over-time debuff.
Range: 30
Duration: 1 Minute
Maximum Targets: Infinite
Instant cast-time with zero cooldown
(This Skill may not be used while beating a dead horse.)

Cost to unlock: 1 skill point and basic understanding of game mechanics.

Case in point.

The reason we respond like this is because there have been a stupid amount of threads like this before where the OP can resolve their problem quite simply by making their own no stack group, and because whenever people offer supposed solutions they’re completely unfeasible and would either require rebuilding the game from the ground up or impose completely insane restrictions on melee play for no reason than their own personal gratification – I.e their ideas are not good for the health of the game. Imagine a friend telling you a joke – first time you laugh. They carry on doing it for months on end – the exact same joke. You will get to the point where you either ignore or openly condescend to them. This is basically this thread.

Nick.6972:

Promote active gameplay without stacking, such as Mai Trin, and people start whining everywhere.

No. People whine about Mai trin because the cannon phases are boring as hell and you can’t even block let alone dodge some of the attacks and the game makes absolutely zero effort to explain this to you. Mai trin is just plain badly designed, just how making spider boss projectiles unreflectable is bad design, you’re seeing projectiles, you put up reflect and it just goes through. The two examples are both not explained and lack consistency with the rest of the game.

Esplen.3940:

The way I see it, as a Mesmer in PvE:

In PUGs, I work really hard to make sure everything goes smoothly and get blamed for everything that goes wrong.

In coordinated groups, I work really hard to ensure everyone else does good dps.

In Open World PvE, my Mesmer hits extremely hard but I feel like I could do more on my Warrior… with a lot less effort. Actually, this is true in almost every scenario except during projectile destruction or reflect because Feedback and untraited Wardens are so good.

Keep in mind, I’m wearing full Assassins with Ranger Runes + Berserker Trinkets and Assassin Weapons (all ascended or legendary) on my Mesmer, whereas my Warrior is wearing Exotic Berserker everything with Masterwork Berserker Trinket.

I’ll just tell you now your Mesmer does not hit extremely hard and never will

rfdarko.4639:

If you don’t like corner-stacking bosses, do fractals. When I got kinda bored of the fgs meta I started doing fractals on my mes and I have a lot of fun.

lol Mesmer

Firstly, most players who set AP requirements are bad and looking for a carry, actual experienced players can pull their own weight and don’t need to set requirements. Secondly, make your own group on the lfg or join the dungeon mentor guild and get in to contact with a mentor. So you have two choices – sit here and complain or be proactive, learn dungeons, get groups and have fun. I know which one I would pick.