It’s not really that hard to maintain reflect as a guard, and every class makes use of active defense. The only strength they have is untrained wardens and that’s as simple as switching a trait off then chaining phantasms.
Yeah Mesmer is in a bad place, and thats why a few of these tear-filled threads are good to make sure the devs notice, but how many of you here play the class for a statistical advantage over other classes?
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Exactly. We play the class because it’s fun, everything else is noise.
When by playing one, our group is basically 4.5-manning a dungeon, well let’s just say I don’t like leeching. Wvw veil botting was extremely unsatisfying too. So who cares? Judging by the state of the subforum, a lot of people.
I enjoy Mesmer? But it doesn’t mean the class is any good. It’s not perfectly fine in pve, it’s dps is outright abysmal in practical situations and they are just not wanted by decent groups, lacking aoe potential in wvw where aoe is outright crucial is an enormous deficiency, and throw the names of random PvP ers I don’t even give a kitten about around, but mesmers are still trash. This is like me saying oh, well sanderinoa is a good pve Mesmer, but it doesn’t mean the class doesn’t suck just because someone can play it – it’s not even worth taking mesmers to arah which was like the last dungeon they were considered decent for, you’re better off taking a guard. Maybe if anet see a drop in Mesmer play they’ll actually do something with it, the class has just been ignored or nerfed up until now so it’s not like anything we’ve done before has helped in any way. If anyone wants to know how to play Mesmer, despite having wrote a guide for the class in the past I’ll just forward them now to the re roll build because it’s not fair advising someone to play a class scorned in every single game format.
How do you know that? Open world events scale dependent on the number of people, and remember that in zergs it will be full of gs mesmers, bearbow rangers and zero dps cleric heal guardians. Now put one optimised berserker player, or even 5 (so the event doesn’t scale up) and I’m pretty sure if it’s like the arah giants they’ll blaze through it like its nothing.
You will pretty much only ever get kicked if you antagonise people in your party, and I know this from experience if people have annoyed me and I’m trying to get a rise out of them. There was one group I joined where a guy was teaching his guildies arah p3 and he got annoyed for rushing ahead to magecrusher (they killed hunter crusher before I joined) so after a few whispers I just escorted everyone else through the skip as it was their group, not mine, so I follow their rules. We kill lupicus (can’t remember if I had to solo… Hazy memory) and then at the end the guy whispers me again asking if he could add me and apologises for his semi-aggressive attitude earlier in the run because he tends to get tryhards sabotaging his runs, but he felt I knew my stuff an he wanted to run with me again some time. So… tldr you will only get kicked if you annoy people.
I feel like anet should just be done with it and delete the class because it’s so bad. It’s literally dead weight everywhere no matter how well you play it.
Thrown out of the PVE dungeon meta, extremely fringe in the PvP meta, relegated to veil duty since forever in wvw. Mesmer is complete trash and I can’t believe I sold 2000g worth of strength runes while they were a lot cheaper to craft mine. It’s literally a piece of **** class that leeches off everyone else’s success.
Why is active damage mitigation a problem? Shouldn’t a game reward situational awareness? And what bosses nullify builds? The only ones I can think of are bosses with extremely short condition duration like alphard or frequently purge conditions like alpha – but beyond that no bosses nullify builds at all.
Here’s my suggestion – rather than complain, go and play GW1 if you want your precious build diversity back. It’s a waste of time trying to hold a conversation with you if you are literally just going to blank everything I say, and you would be much happier playing a game you enjoyed.
It doesn’t really. But that doesn’t change the fact that there’s build diversity, you’re just looking for excuses to claim there isn’t, when there’s multiple options for each of the five classes I play.
I’m playing high level fractals and I don’t see no difference.
Regardless of that, it’s not about gameplay, it’s about variety of builds. and even if as some claim, there were only few meta builds in GW1, even that number was bigger there than it is here.
Your traits don’t change your play style, you base your traits around your play style. If you go 30/30/0/10/0 it means you’re not interested in being able to provide more condition cleanses, stability or have faster cooldowns on consecrations or longer uptime on shield of the avenger and that you’re more interested in just dealing damage by taking more damage modifiers, vulnerability on blind, renewed blind on kill and so on. If you go 0/0/30/30/10 it meas you want to give up literally every single damage modifier and just take trait lines that increase your own survivability, most likely taking AH in valour, and then mostly weak traits in honour which do negligible support. You have 10 in virtues which opens you up to taking one good support trait but no more. You could always try to compensate your lack of damage by taking unscathed contender however. If you were to take 15/15/0/20/20 however, while you would give up some damage modifiers, you would be able to get yourself some nice larger symbols on your hammer auto chain, two support traits in virtues and some damage boosting traits in zeal an radiance. You don’t see a difference because you are purposely trying to not look for one so you can justify it in your head that there’s no diversity.
A guildie told me it just has the same mechanics of the arah p3 giants … and I solo those while waiting for my path sales to fill, so sounds easy peasy.
So, say, leap of faith and whirlwind would just cancel if they had any collision with something? Seems like quite a reasonable change if they went through with it.
Wait for a balance patch. Would be nice if they would do something to end the conjure weapon craze though. The only thing I can think of is requiring it to have a target but then you could just target some random trash mob in the next corridor and rush like usual anyway, so I dunno.
I wouldn’t suggest having a teacher who just made you watch them. I’m a believer in learning through experience, so if that means getting point blanked in to barrels at belka, pulling drakes near the abomination and getting your face kicked in over and over again by lupicus, so be it. Anyone can watch a soloist but you only actually learn once you’re doing something yourself.
Unless you’re able to dodge all of the life suck and drain (every nec solo I’ve seen sponges a few hits because anet thought having a class with like zero defensive skills would be cool) necro solos I can’t see being on par with say, war or engi :p
I am. I also refuse to use ice bow/fgs on ele for playhowyouwant reasons too. But it’s k because I don’t take ele in to organised groups so I’m not stepping on anyone’s toes :p
Their groups have no effect on you so just leave them be. The sad thing is you actually think you have some sort of moral high ground, but you don’t when you’re trolling people who simply want to play with others like themselves. Whether you like their standards or not is irrelevant, I don’t join those groups either, but writing LOL and then leaving the group serves no purpose.
You’re really over thinking this :/
Don’t mind Maha. He’s the ever present PvE meta Whiteknight.
Funny thing is almost every spec is perfectly viable for dungeons including Necro. It’s just the pugs blindly try to copy the meta speed runners, so players who have no interest in figuring out how to properly build their characters themselves see that the speed runners disallow necros due to lack of their precious efficiency, and assume wrongly that Necros can’t dungeon period.
Is the fact that I think compatible people should play with each other and not try to contact incompatible types either through grouping with or trolling actually something bad? If that’s what you’re trying to argue, then mind = blown.
Does soloing suddenly mean it doesn’t count as a dungeon anymore and is therefore not dungeon meta?
It’s very niche still. It’s better against heavy armor bosses only, and in solos only. By no means is it dungeon meta…
It is still dungeons and so has a fringe use in the dungeon meta as a whole. Or I repeat, does the fact that it’s optimal but niche suddenly mean it isn’t a dungeon build?
The two minute one involves fiery Greatsword spamming – though IIRC lupicus has 1,450,000 HP so just divide that by however long the solo took and you can get the dps of it. It’ll probably clock in around the 10-12000 DPS mark or something. The key thing to note when watching lupicus solos is that you’ll notice it’s might stacking and reflect classes which will score the fastest kills – rangers, thieves and necros are pretty weak in that department whereas engineer, warrior and ele have pretty huge might stacking potential so they’re a lot faster. Guardian has reflects, an the glaring issue of Mesmer dps being terrible because group fights are too bursty is a non issue while soloing since you can’t burst giant hp bags down, plus it can reflect a lot versus lupicus. Of course it depends on the fight, if there’s no reflect then guardian and Mesmer will lag behind a bit more.
Stop caring about whatever crap pugs use, it will save you so much pain and frustration. And to be perfectly honest, a condition player performing clean rotations will probably out dps the average pug anyway.
It’ll take you 3 days if you go full hardcore and barely sleep. I recommend paying a trustworthy friend a couple hundred gold and paying them to map for you while you sleep or something, it saves yourself the pain and while they will be bored out of their mind at least they will be getting something in return.
Their groups have no effect on you so just leave them be. The sad thing is you actually think you have some sort of moral high ground, but you don’t when you’re trolling people who simply want to play with others like themselves. Whether you like their standards or not is irrelevant, I don’t join those groups either, but writing LOL and then leaving the group serves no purpose.
You’re really over thinking this :/
Maybe I’m sick of white knights thinking they’re doing the community some great big service by trolling berserker groups (or in my case, joining my path sales and kicking me from my own instance). You play how you want, let them play how they want. It’s not that hard. And before the obligatory ‘well all the groups want berserker’ comment, it’s as easy as making your own no requirement group. I’ve made non descript groups that have filled in like a minute flat and used my condition build and nobody ever said anything.
I have played an average of 2-3 hours a day for the last 2 months and earned about 150 gold. That is 20 months of playing for the cheapest version of a precursor (Kraitkin).
What the hell are you doing that only nets you 150g ? You should run dungeons. And fine a really good bunch of people to run them.
Because I do that every night on the week-ends for 4 hours and in two weeks I get that amount.
some people don’t have four hours every night to play.
I have about an hour or so of free time during weekdays and only one day that is free during weekends.
I try to get my AC run every night (at lest a path or 2) during weekdays and that gets me 1.5 to 3 g per day. If I do my math right, that means I will forever be chasing that carrot on a stick due to the crazy price in TP rise.
In true, back when guild wars 2 first come out. I was able farm and save up money. I was able to make one Legendary and have brought two more per for about 20g and 60g. These two are still in the bank. I just don’t have the money and mat to make them:(.
If they did something like the black moa chick (in guild wars one). That means, one day I might be able to get that carrot on a stick (it did take me 2 years to get that black moa chick)
Solo arah p2 or 3, wait for buyers until you almost have to leave, finish path collect gold. Best case scenario you make ~28g, worst case you make like 2g in that hour.
Might and vuln will be occurring incidentally from rotations, traits and utilities so there’s no way not to factor them in. An easy way to figure out the dps a class is capable of solo though would be to look at a boss solo YouTube video and divide the boss HP by the number of seconds taken to kill – that’ll give you some nice dps numbers which can give you a vague idea of what a class is capable of.
Their groups have no effect on you so just leave them be. The sad thing is you actually think you have some sort of moral high ground, but you don’t when you’re trolling people who simply want to play with others like themselves. Whether you like their standards or not is irrelevant, I don’t join those groups either, but writing LOL and then leaving the group serves no purpose.
I have my own means of dealing with these elitists. Look for their “Heavies only, 5k ap 45 AR” groups, notice it is usually only 1 warrior lonesome, join, type in caps, “LOL” and leave. Then be glad you wasted their time for being a kitten.
I did a level 28 fotm with 15 ar on my freshly made 80 guardian (leveled primarily from pvp (level books), dailies (pvp) and about 5 runs of AC towards the end.) I’m no “pro” dungeon runner but I’ve never had to sit through such pain in a long time ever since I retired from doing 48 daily. Even when I did a those few runs of AC I had level ~60 green gear and was pulling my weight and often theirs, it’s pathetic. People assume gear and AP or playtime makes a difference when it really has no value.
Part of this however is a fault in the dungeon encounters, where stacking cleaving dps is the go-to but I just find it sad when these elitists in their full asc gear are still dying to trash mobs. Bring your ranger, bring your engi, innocent until proven stupid I say.
So you respond to people being kittens by being a kitten yourself. Why yes, how dare people try to play with people who meet their standards, if someone makes an LFG saying newbies only I will join, type LOL and leave because they’re being kittens excluding experienced players like myself.
I do agree, it is kinda ridiculous. I understand “sex sells”, but there comes a point where it is irrelevant?
Was it really necessary for the Light starter armor to look like a cheap prostitute? Did they REALLY think it would make a difference whether or not someone plays the game? Really? REALLY?
Personally, I was turned off from making human/norn female characters because of how obnoxious the armor is.
I don’t know what prostitutes you’ve been looking at if that’s honesty how you think it looks. Hyperbole doesn’t get you anywhere, y’know.
Well you see, that can be taken offensively so I’m going to report you to modbot. Reported in the trashcan, gosh that is a new low. I should stop posting and get round to watching the legend of korra again or smth
I would dig up keyz/brobal’s numbers but I’m on my phone atm. The tldr is that camping sword is like only 400 dps better than staff, so it’s not really very high deeps at all
Can’t have a guild wars 2 discussion thread without completely random and pointless references to berserker stats and offensive builds, can we? 0/10 at least try to be original next time
