i just love to put down 1 enemy go cnd and switch to SB and spam #2 with 4-5k aoe dmg which take down 3-5 more ppl
with your wvw spec you have to be very careful with torment runes and rotation skills as it can leaves you vulnerable with no stun breaks (wvw perspective)
d/p- i use it as get away weapon set as it gives sealth on demand
as you saw in the video the average torment stack was 4 as it’s hard to put 10 stacks on moving target
i take condition duration food as it does more dmg than another 100+ condition dmg as it puts your duration on 10 sec max and not 8.75 seconds
i run 0,0,30,20,20 build dire/rabid gear with caltrops so my rotation will be
cnd>skale venum>dodge(caltrops)>sneak attack>shadow strike>steal>shadow strike>infiltrator signet>cnd>dodge(caltrops)>sneak attack>shadow strike>dodge(clatrops)>withdraw(+2 torment)
its very fast rotation which your enemy wont know what hit him so usually i do it below 50% hp after he uses all his cleanse skills and ended with 14-16 stack bleeding +11 stacks torment = op!
also if i want to secure the hit i use body shot but it’s more complex rotation
I remember your older thread.
It’s usually not cool to reply to just correct a spelling mistake, but the word is “role” and not “roll”.
thanks
i am not from UA or EU so…. but nevertheless thank you
lately after all the patch (cough nerfs) and the upcoming one while its been harder and harder to fight against all the meta conditions/signet warrior/PU/HGH etc… i found myself looking at the thief roll as resemble more and more to a sniper roll.
sniper – looking for the weakest target, easiest, dangerous etc and try to take them out as fast as possible and retreat for another positioning for the next target
from wvw perspective i mean as our only weapon viable is the d/p (?) or d/d which is solo target and our SB as our blast finisher with group play.
if anet sometime in the future will buff the p/p set to more reliable and not just unload boring spam
so here are my suggestions:
1. vital shot – currently only viable on condition set so why not use it on power set.
open it to 2 skills – the first one bleed your foe and the second one do more dmg . with this both specs can do use for it and reduce cast time to 0.25 as now its 2 skills
2. body shot – good for sniper as it immobilize but as the dmg now for p/p is low you can benefit it but only in group fight as it cost too much initiative and give low duration of immobilize so its like cripple skill
3. unload – instead of just spam this skill i suggest we make it more interesting.
split it to 2 skills : the first will just unload 1 shot of 5 bullets (not 8 ) won’t be channelled and will cost 3 initiatives and maybe do bleed 5 stacks for 3 seconds and will be blast finisher .
as now the meta revolve around conditions. and after trying to win against signet warrior who can heals 800 per seconds so i need 10 bleed stacks to even start to do something to him (also d/d ele hgh engineer etc
the seconds will be channelled for 3 seconds will cost 3 initiatives and do sniper shot which pierce and do more dmg the longer you stay channelled (1 second 50% dmg, 2 seconds 100% dmg, 3 seconds 150% dmg) and the range will be 1200 (and maybe trait which increase it to 1500)
skills 4+5 should stay more defense roll
with this set of skills the thief can act more freely from afar will have to choose wisely and should not spam as the p/p set is hight initiative cost but which benefit the user.
so the sniper have now the ability to go stealth with blast finisher+ BP look for a target and shot it the more time its stay channelled . the ini cost will be high so no spamming and will be acting more like kill shot . and its high risk high reward set like all other weapon set of the thief .
and also have the ability to go condition high ini cost with BP+unload +sneak attack which cost 9 ini and can put more pressure on the target
TL;DR
pls anet make the p/p set more interesting to use and not just unload spam. so maybe add sniper roll to the p/p set
pls pls pls pretty pls stop make 1vx videos as now anet will nerf the d/d set
start making video of you dying to moa or spider etc
thanks
(gg)
i wanted to create hybrid build which some consider weaken. but can yield high Sdps.
it can be used for wvw group fight small or big (take feedback or null field) and also roaming alone
so here is 2 examples
the first:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsaWlwzKqHWzgGb9IipHBnvBckKYalewbXYuB-j0BBYfCiUGgkIBK/pIasVhFRjVbDTFjIqWIgRLAA-w
this build at start seem weak but when the fight goes above 20 seconds you can reach 20 stacks of might by switching weapon sets, interrupt, and healing skill easily while stealth with PU trait and almost 2.7k armor is your defenses so your power can reach 3.6k with 50% crit chance and 94% crit dmg along side with 1.4k condition dmg
second one bit more aggressive as your condition dmg and spike dmg with shatter goes bit higher on account of toughness
its theory craft build and havent tested yet
your contribute comment pls
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finally small scales fight again (not like last week zerg fest)
pls if you see 1v1/2/3 pls dont zerg it …
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my impressions:
- Increased the base rate of initiative gain from .75/second to 1/second. → good as you nerf the gain from traits below
- Shadow Return on Sword. Renamed to Infiltrator’s return. Added a 1/4s cast time. → first it was stun break and got nerfed now adding cast time combine with huge vigor nerf it will break this set. maybe at least improve the power of the skill or conditions clear to be more appealing
- Pistol Whip. Reduced the after cast on the first half of this skill by .25 seconds.→ so evasion is 1.5 sec, stun is 0.5 and after cast is 0.25 so basically the skill does 0.17 base dmg unless you catch someone with no stunbreak or dodges left. so nothing change as before it was 1 sec stun with 0.75 cast time which is the same 0.25
- Deadly Arts VI – Sundering Strikes. Increased the trigger chance from 50%. Remove ICD. Decrease Vulnerability duration to 6s.→ nice so basically with fury 0.33 chance to trigger it.
- Critical Strikes VI – Practiced Tolerance. Increased conversion from 5% to 7%.→ not much a change its about 360 hp (2%)
- Critical Strikes 15 – Opportunist. Increased trigger chance to 50%. Increase cooldown from 1s to 5s.→ very bad you gave more 66% chance (30→50) but increase trigger by 500%???? am i getting it wrong?!
- Critical Strikes VIII – Signet Use. Reduced initiative gain from 2 to 1.→ so we see less the fast BS HS combos. maybe give 33% reduce recharge as now also vigor nerfed and initiative also so maybe more use in signet for defense mode like restore more often endurance and more often stun break and aoe blind
- Critical Strike X – Critical Haste. Increase trigger chance to 25%.→ nice
- Shadow Arts V – Infusion of Shadow – This trait functionality has been changed to “Gain initiative when you enter stealth.” 2 init.→ bless change no more d/p perma stealth. but i hope this wont kill this weapon set as the ini use is high or maybe ppl will go with 10,30,0,0,30 build as in tpvp
- Acrobatics III – Vigorous Recovery. Reduced Vigor duration to 4s from 8s.→ other classes also have almost perma vigor. if we supposed to be the fastest and hard to catch class so why nerf it. basically you making ppl to use certain build with certain weapon. d/d with stealth, s/d with dodging.
- Acrobatics IV – Assassin’s Retreat. Increased swiftness duration to 20s.→ never used it
- Acrobatics IX – Quick Recovery. Reduced initiative gain from 2 to 1.→ so now we need more skills management and as for now its bit hard to land clean cnd on good opponent. guess we wait and see
- Acrobatics X – Assassins Reward. Increased healing scaling by 35%. Moved to Grandmaster Tier.→ not much a change with 300 healing power thief had around 80 per initiative so it gives with 4 ini skills 320 and will be now 430?. not much a change and maybe nerf
- Acrobatics XI – Hard to catch. Moved to Master Tier.→ never used it as thief must need control of their fight and this is random skill with kind random location drop. so very dangerous to the thief play style. i would change the skill to gain stealth and ignore the disable and increase recharge to 45 seconds
- Trickery 5 – Kleptomaniac. Reduce initiative gain from 3 to 2.→ same as above. so maybe increase dmg from mug a bit
- Trickery IV – Flanking Strikes. Move to Master tier.→ why so now he have less ability to dodge, to regain initiative combine with less dmg?!
- Trickery VII – Bountiful Theft. Reduced vigor duration to from 15s to 8s.→ same as above
- Trickery VIII – Trickster. Move to Adept tier.→ never use i
my conclusions:
thieves have to manage more their initiative points and be punished if they miss more than once cnd. also they must check their endurance more often as they can be wide open for 5+ seconds if they abuse dodges.
s/d got nerf bit more but still useable (in pve) but you wont be able to stay in the fight always so you must restart the fight and all over again. thus wont be any good against bunker build
welcome change to d/p perma stealth set. so maybe goodbye
s/p got back
p/d still trolling and fun to play
d/d same as before
all in all more nerfs than buffs and still no any sort of group fight contribution
i guess all over again thieves must learn to adapt and still will be the most qq class
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i didnt say you cant handle engi. i said its more hard to deal with and also good condition necro burst could be a challenge if he manage to burst you and fear you.
fist i would like to state that i love blackwater/osicat builds and surly my play style need to be improved a lot.
but the main difference between blakwater/osicat build are the condition clear on the torch so fighting against engi wouldn’t make any difference at all with his mass conditions and so i want to do more conditions burst on him and to be able to stun/daze key skills and also you can shatter more to do more daze and confuse control and to create faster clones and phantasms as your skills already rechard every weapon swap
and if you add to the build perplexity rune it can be close to cheesy build
so far after dueling against power spec classes the fights were easy to medium
against condition engi/necro/mesmer the fights were medium to hard.
roaming with small group its very easy and rewarding build as most of the fight you want be attacked as you are hard to catch and you put lots and fast condition
when going zerg i have to bring my staff unless i am backline punisher
have you try to play with it?
i am thinking of another build of fast condition burst with more boons on you and heal and will post it soon
the reason i change to trait line from 20,20,30,0,0 (blackwater/osicat) is to get another controlling condition which is confusion which makes the fight a lot shorter.
i can make more video but in this video i want to show how this build works and not how am i a great player (as i am not yet )
the first fight if you consider examine the dmg from where his hp went up to 85% came from bleeding about 6k, confusion 3k, poison 1k and direct dmg was 2k~
the second fight is trolling with stun
the third fight you right is hard to tell but the thief got involved in the middle and he is BS and not condition. and he only manage to to the final BS and couple more AA hits.
confusion is condition?! and i didnt even use perplexity so thanks
gangbang by me? (the group play was trolling
and look again as the dmg was done mainly by bleeding, burning, poison
confusion was ticking 3-5 stacks which is bit low but nice add
thanks for your feedback
here is the vid)
here is video of the build and fast explanation
fighting against guardians 1v1
these days if hard to find roamers to fight after the new wvw tournament
oh i forgot to mention this build is for wvw roaming alone or small group
and you right after the tournament patch wvw become more zergy
hi
i return to my mesmer and came up with this build (checked the forum but havent seen ppl post it)
i would like to hear your thoughts on it
pooff and gone buid:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQRArf8alwzipXUzgGb9Ii5DBHaGgn3V6Budh5GA-jUyAItBRTBgpFgUFIqDQOsIasVzioxqux0xER1SBAzaA-w
main purpose is to do fast massiv condition attack burst to put my enemy on defense .
the most dangerous conditions are : burning and torment
and the most common and easy to pull out are : bleed and poison
combine it with 3 stun/daze skills to control your enemy and confusion
trait choose:
dueling 30: crit chance is high so i’ll get vigor which enable me to dodge more and to create more clones , my fantasm have fury so with 73% crit chance they will inflict bleeds and when they are killed they cause confusion
chaos 15: along with confusion they will inflict another random condition bleeding and weakness are the most important
illusions 25: when i shatter i inflict confusion, gain might, my phantasm gain skill cd, and i gain illusions skills shorter cd so i can use them more during fight
so every trait here has a purpose to do more and faster condition dmg
runes: you can switch to the cheesy perplexity runes.
defenses: i have good armor which can handle high burst, i can use more often distortion, and got block with scepter every 8 seconds and can dodge more often
weaknesses: condition dmg so you can take food that mitigate the duration, and switch skill to mantra of resolve or take phantasm disenchanter and also low speed movement.
combo use and dmg dealt:
starting with sword/pistol the usual rotation 4,5,3,2 to inflict bleeds stacks which can get to 10
switch to scepter/ torch rotation 4,5,3
punish with scepter 2
and switch again to sword/pistol to do another rotation 4,3,2
so the target get 10-12 stack of bleeding 7 seconds, -10,500 dmg
burning 4 seconds, – 3,700 dmg
poison 7 seconds, – 2,100 dmg (cover condition)
confusion 3-8 stacks for 4-7 seconds , – 1,100 per skill or dodge uses
torment if blocked 5 stacks for 11 seconds – 13,000 dmg if moving
vulnerability as cover condition,
weakness (random) as cover condition
so total dmg after 11 seconds will be 30,000 dmg
so against good condition remover the fight will be around 1 min as after he uses his skills to clear condition you can put them all over again after 12- 15 seconds with new rotation combo. and also against target who use food as the dmg will be half.
and against low condition remover you have 3-4 condition cover your bleed burning and torment
even when your enemy will kill your phantasm you can create more more frequently.
most fights will ended with 2 i duelist and 1 i mage and against tanky target you will end up running after them
thanks
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i like to use #4 torch and run to my target using #2 scepter thus ending with burning and torment condition when they below 50% hp thus most of the time the enemy already used his condition clearness skills
i like to watch melee classes just standing knowing if they move they would die
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another point ppl sometime forget
thieves are the only class who can put the enemy forces on defense mode.
from wvw perspective i can choose backline target do fast massive combo which put the target on 0-25% hp which result in 1 less enemy is attacking my team. and all over again, look for another target as i dont have skill cd. in 10 seconds i usually take 3 -5 targets out of the battle whether by down them or make them disengage
any other classes like warriors have skill cd
i think all the nerfs made the thief rethinking how they can benefit the group play style than to do 1vx alone
and thats why i love gvg – why group most of the time take thief with them. they know that the thief can harass the backline and push them to play defensively and can take care of himself