Guild Wars 2

Fast playstyle, squishy yet very deadly in the right hands.
Initiative, so I don’t have to wait for cooldowns. One can use the weapon skill that fits when you need it/want it.

Plus I also always play a “rogue/assassin” type of class, and even tho thief is not an assassin, it’s the closest I get in this game.

Plus, dodging with other classes just doesn’t feel the same after playing a lot on thief :P

This is from Part One for Elementalists: “Stop, Drop, and Roll: Dodge rolling removes burning and chilled”

That’s only two condi clears tho (one being our stolen item from them).

If we get a similar thing, let’s hope it removes ANY condition

I read the entire thing, and since they talked about Ele so much, they also mentioned somewhere in there that one of the elementalist traits/specialization w.e is a condi clear on dodge.
So, maybe more classes are getting it, or that was aimed for ele’s

Hey Hollts. Thanks for the roaming session last night with [ROAM] ;-)
Was great fun until I had to go (just before you changed to your necro)

Anyways, I liked the video, and as others have stated, you have experience from other classes which is great and smart gameplay.

Keep it up!

Cya ingame

First off, press 1 for autoattack, 2 for cluster bomb, 3 for…

Just kidding :P

Well, shortbow is used because it really is awesome!
In public events it’s very nice, since it tags a lot of enemies with your Trick Shot (autoattack).

“Just a poison field”, heeyheyhey. Poison is a very powerful condition! It makes your enemies heal 33% less effective, and if you shoot your cluster bomb (number 2) in the choking gas field, you AOE blast for 3 seconds inflicting weakness to the enemies in the field (weakness makes 50% of your enemies attacks deal 50% less damage and he can’t critically hit you).
Cluster Bomb is the games most spammable blast finisher, so make sure you use it. See a big AOE field somewhere? Blast it! Get AOE retaliation, AOE heal, AOE might etc etc. It greatly helps your allies around you.

Yes, disabling shot is to stop people chasing you (inflict cripple). Funny thing is you can actually use this skill while facing the other way of your opponent.
And it’s a nice little evade frame (time it nicely and you got yourself a free dodge)

Infiltrators Arrow is mostly used for it’s shadowstepping, but you also blind 3 enemies if you shadowstep in their faces.

I thought trolls only existed in fairytales until I read this post.

Oh I was so wrong!

Welcome back.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/PvP-Guide-for-new-Thiefs-in-Ranked-Arenas

Have you read this?

Yesh:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bountiful_Theft

But he can’t steal from downstade tho :P

Power, precision and ferocity is always good (berserker stats).

But it doesn’t have a huge impact on your playing experience in the lower levels, just equip whatever matches your current level.
But yes, more power is better.

Check out www.metabattle.com for what traits etc you should use. a lot of points in Trickery gives you more initiative
As for P/D, it’s more of a condition set really.

Check out this:

The left is ascended and right is exotic with ascended trinkets
(it’s also with pack runes on both pictures and an exotic berserkers rifle, no food, no traits placed)

Very minimal difference IMO

Beldin.5498:

Ascended armor gives you around 1,8% more damage and 5% more defense
for a cost of somewhere around 400-600 gold i think.

You could also take a look here :
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet/

Thanks man. Okay, so damage wise it’s not that much, but a little gain in defense.
I wouldn’t say it’s worth it (?).

That spreadsheet is noice, but from what I could gather they only compared berserker armor, and I think the difference in celestial is less then berserkers compared to each other.

Hi guys!

I’m just wondering about this.

I’ve heard that the difference isn’t really noticeable, is this true?
And is the cost so much more on an ascended armor?

I’m planning on using this set on my Engineer in WvW roaming.

Hey!

This is a WvW issue (maybe PvP and PvE as well)

I don’t know if this is mentioned before, but I couldnt find a topic about it.
Not a big deal, but I play with Infiltrators Signet (IS)on my build, and when I die and want to change to Signet of Shadows (SoS) for increased movementspeed for obvious reasons, it puts the signet on recharge, even tho IS was not on cooldown
(I may have used it in the fight that caused me to die, but 100% sure IS was off cooldown.)

Switched to SoS and it was like 20 seconds left on the CD.
Happened several times

mango.9267:

It is possible to permastealth using D/P and utilities, but it serves no purpose other than hiding in a keep or tower or something.

CnD’ing repeatedly isn’t really permastealth, since you have to wait for stealth to end before CnDing again. But yes, that’s still possible to do.

It’s very close to perm tho, if you time it right. When the stealth icon flashes really fast (the millisecond before it goes away) you can CnD and re-stealth. Guess you knew that tho.

But as others have said, what’s the point of being in stealth all the time, besides hiding in keeps etc or trolling activities :P

It’s hard to find a medium armor which isnt a “coat”…

this is my thief. it’s hard to find a medium armor that isnt a coat and still looks good! pretty happy with my “assassin” look.

Hi!
You should set up your build on a build-site like: gw2skills.net

That way we have a more understanding of what you are talking about and we can comment on that :-)

Zero Day.2594:

mompen.7952:

They have a “thief-y” hood :p

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whisper%27s_Secret_Hood

Plot twist, thief NPCs are getting a rifle, thief players aren’t getting anything.

Yeah, thought it was the whisper’s hood. kitten ed those npc’s tho! I’m just happy with whatever weapon we get

They have a “thief-y” hood :p

Intellesting.

Maybe :-)

When playing with a fellow thief of mine, we both blast in a smoke field, and the cap is around 12 secs. In shadow refuge it’s around 18 secs of total stealth. Haven’t reached any further stacks then that

Okay. So not by stowing it. Thanks for the clarification

Hi!
I’m just curious, regarding weapon swap sigils.
Will these take effect if I manually stow my weapon (every 9 sec because of IC) in combat?

I liked it! Dat outnumbered fight at the end DOH!

You like sword cleave, and inf return etc, but miss blind. What about playing S/P? its our least played sets, but has great damage potential

I think it looks okey, but with all that valk gear and your critical chance is pretty low (you will fail to critically hit your backstabs 50% of the time), so maybe take hidden killer? I got around 80% crit chance, so then hidden killer isn’t necessarily.

www.metabattle.com, press roaming (if thats your thing) and there ya go.

Zero Day.2594:

mompen.7952:

Welcome!

You should read through this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Advice-List

Heh, thanks for advertising.

NP Zero, like what you did there :-)

Welcome!

You should read through this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Advice-List

If you want a really balls out build :p

DecieverX’s build: (I quote him)
“Figured I’d throw this up here. I’ve been getting a lot of PM’s in-game lately about my 5/6/0/0/3 setup and the sheer damage I do, so I’ll post a newly-modified miniguide here for easy access for aspiring assassins.
This is truly a build meant for the assassination-style people out there.
This is focused towards WvW where the damage on CnD and Mug is higher to usually get folks with < 3k armor at 50% or below.

WARNING: This build is extremely binary without long and arduous practice and very vulnerable to counterplay if your target is left alive beyond the initial burst. This build is also one of the single most difficult builds to play effectively in the game due to the timing required to execute the damage smoothly before allowing for counterplay efforts to kick in due to the sheer number of button presses at very precise timings in a very specific order at very specific distances.

So, here we are with the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAoY8alsMpxpVOxzJ8PNRLhs9oVf86tuPCA-T1CBABHfCA2TPAGPAgV0Mg1+DAcQFyS5HjKBTRDDDHpAdU/JAACwNbzAwNv5Nv5NvZpAiYZE-w

Tips, FAQ, and Details
Why 5/6/0/0/3 vs 6/6/0/0/2:

Because simply, 6/6/0/0/2 in order to deal equivalent damage, requires wind-up time. 5 points in DA and 3 in Trickery lets you immediately utilize another 10% damage modifier from the 5-point trait in Critical Strikes called First Strikes, which gives you 10% more damage when above six initiative.
When using 6/6/0/0/2, a CnD will put you at 6 initiative (not above 6), and is often preceeded by a gap-close heartseeker, shortbow 5, infil strike, etc, thus requiring a wait period during stealth which can extend beyond the stealth duration before you’re able to stab for that modifier. While this nets more damage, especially with revealed training, I find it very inconsistent to use and easier to counter due to the wait period. Pulling off everything before BV even expires from mug landing makes executions much easier.

Why Valkyrie:
Because this build doesn’t use Shadow Arts, despite the WvW setting. Valkyrie, with more health, makes you less prone to dying to conditions, and gives you more power via sharpening stones while making you overall more resilient to burst damage. ToTC also gives you a perfectly-timed access to fury, so your sustained DPS doesn’t drop by much either after your initial burst.

Sigil of Intelligence on D/D? What?!
Yup, because there’s a very often overlooked player here: The Signet of Shadows active. The difficulty of the build and playing it right comes here with this choice. Using a long-distance engage via IS, you can get in range to use the active of SoS to blind your target from about 900 instantly, putting you in combat. This lets you hot-swap to your intelligence dagger set, granting you three automatic critical hits on your next three attacks, letting you perform a Mug (1, despite the inability to crit), critical CnD (2), and Backstab (3), all while utilizing the effects of Assassin’s Signet, and in all likelihood, Executioner.
But Flanking strikes lets you get more damage, no?
Yes, but the might helps compensate for it, and the fury and swiftness from Thrill of the Crime are invaluable. The benefits of the swiftness are especially useful, seeing as you can therefore escape better as SoS will be on cooldown.

How come you chose S/P as an offhand set?
I did so because of the shortbow having forced auto-attack problems after using Signet of Shadows from range, and even one attack would thus cause the Intel Sigil effect to get wasted before using backstab. I also like having the increased mobility via infil strike, head-shot lets you enable a guardian by removing aegis/getting into combat from range if SoS is down, and black powder allows for more secure stomps against classes with CC effects during downed like guard, ranger, and warrior.

How do you set up?
I prefer to pre-cast BV and Assassin’s Signet unless the foe has aegis, in which case I’ll either use Dancing Dagger, or headshot to remove it. I’ll then engage as normally with the rest of the signets used, followed by a weapon swap, steal, CnD, and the stab.

I lose a lot to guards. Why?
They’re kitted out to deal with this kind of build better than most classes due to their access to blocks, stability, aegis, protection, etc. Fighting a good one is very difficult and one of those things I mentioned at the beginning about counterplay.

Why not Signet of Malice?
You need condition cleansing and a good heal somewhere. Plus free stealth. Not really worth the 5 might IMHO.

This build is really stupid; it’s so vulnerable!
Which is what I said in the beginning. This is truly THE assassination build. It’s meant to kill an isolated and unprepared target, and leave. If you want a skirmisher for “1v1 me bro” l33t pr0 ski11z du31z, look into P/D perplex or anything built around Shadow Arts. This build is not designed for that."

Yes. /15characters

Engineer P/P works, but that’s a condi set tho.
Seems like they are reworking condi stacks for HoT, (increasing bleed stacks, at least for PvE) so maybe condi will be more viable for PvE.

SB is one of our best mobility weapons, so get used to it ^^ Doesn’t feel clunky for me at all. AA is nice, bounces and does OK damage, you got the games fastest blast finisher, AOE poison and AOE weakness if you blast in the poison field.
Yeah!

As for P/P I can’t really provide any help as I rarely play it. But someone else might help ya

I wouldn’t say so.

Dodge inside of SR. Out of endurance? Switch to SB, and press #3 at the edge of the refuge (untarget enemy) for more evades (require some timing DOH as the evade frame is pretty low).

Tristan.5280:

mompen.7952:

It’s fun to play against good players. But /laugh-ing at someones corps is just childish, even tho he 1vs2 you (3).

Well, maybe i deserve it. I chased him with a very squishy build. I cannot expect to beat class that is my direct counter, expecially if he is a skilled pro player

Do you know what weapons he had?

A SD engi should on paper at least have an equal chance of beating him as he has to beating you. With rifle and great burst from SD you could burst him down as fast as he could burst you. But it all comes down to who get’s the first shot.

It’s fun to play against good players. But /laugh-ing at someones corps is just childish, even tho he 1vs2 you (3).

sigil of impact is nice paired with basilisk venom (you do 10% more dmg while they are “stoned”). D/D build with assassin’s signet (15% extra dmg for 3 next attacks) makes some nasty backstabs. Haven’t tried this for D/P, but guess it could work.
Force as you mention.
Sigil of the night if you wvw roam. 10% more dmg increase at night (always have one dagger in backup that has this)
Bloodlust is nice (take this on your shortbow. 25 stacks increases your power by 250 when you have killed 5 enemy players with SB equipped. Run with the zerg for 2 mins, you got your stacks).

Idk man, just some tips

Premier.6872:

nassaya.7109:

This my space charr it’s an alt but she needs to look good.

I know the helm but what is the rest of the armor that you are using?

Looks really good though, nice

I know these at least:

Shoes: magitech
Chest: Heritage (Hall of monument)

I also have a Charr. And a human thief. I play both at a regular basis.

Sometimes I want to be big and scary (and lets face it, charr thieves is not overpopulated, so it’s cool to stand out from the crowd), and sometimes smaller is nice (human male). I dont know, it feels like the human is more “fluent” and fast, compared to the clunky charr.

But I like both, so I can’t really help ya :P

^ bump bump bump.

Sticky sticky sticky

a true zerk build is short for “berserker” (power, precision and ferocity stats for your armor) and balls out on your traits (normally 6/6/x/x/x (where you put the remaining points wherever you want) or 5/6/x/x/3.

The best damage output, but as a thief, as said, you’re squishy as hell. Little self-sustain.

The next tier will unlock as you lvl up.

You can play with D/P if you like, in fact, you can play with whatever weapons you like/find fun to play. Because this is a game, and you should have fun playing it.

D/P is nice, since you have blind on #5, and interrupt on #4.
If you care about dmg, D/D power has more of it, but less utility. But again, PvE encounters doesn’t really require you to bring any utility. Just go balls out on damage, lol :P

As other people have stated, getting used to dodge enemy attacks will be a smart thing to do, because thieves are very squishy. Other classes can withstand getting hit a few times, we can’t. So playing condition builds with a lot of thoughness and health will make you lazy :P

I thought shadows embrace didn’t remove torment?

I use pack on “my” D/P build, works like a charm. The extra precision and fury/swiftness proc is very nice :-)

Sir Vincent III.1286:

mompen.7952:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

mompen.7952:

ll Wrath ll.5961:

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If you don’t want to set up your traits where stealing gives you invisibility, all you have to do is use basilisk venom so you turn them into stone when you steal, use #5 immediately, then use #1 right away. If done properly, you can do this before the venom wears off.

Did you mean this? cast basilisk, then press #5 (cloak and dagger), press your steal button (WHILE doing the cloak and dagger animation), which insta ports you to your enemy, you hit cloak and dagger, and then you can proceed to backstab.

He said

ll Wrath ll.5961:

I set my traits to give me stealth when stealing.

So clearly he meant he trait for Hidden Thief.

And if you read what I quoted, you will understand what I meant. He proposed a solution if you don’t use hidden thief, but the way he wrote it made it look like he ment: BV, steal, cloak and dagger after the steal, not while stealing, and then proceed to the backstab. I just clarified that it can happen a lot faster

Ah, got yah! My bad.

Np Vince, I still love ya

Thanks for the answers and ideas guys. I’m sorry I wasn’t more clear on what type of gameplay I was looking for using the build in.

I mostly play wvw solo roaming, or with a fellow thief friend of mine.

I was also thinking that shadow rejuvenation paired with healing power from celestial armor would be nice, and a pain to take down.

What runes would work with said build, divinity? I can post my idea to a build editor later on, on my cell right now.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

mompen.7952:

ll Wrath ll.5961:

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If you don’t want to set up your traits where stealing gives you invisibility, all you have to do is use basilisk venom so you turn them into stone when you steal, use #5 immediately, then use #1 right away. If done properly, you can do this before the venom wears off.

Did you mean this? cast basilisk, then press #5 (cloak and dagger), press your steal button (WHILE doing the cloak and dagger animation), which insta ports you to your enemy, you hit cloak and dagger, and then you can proceed to backstab.

He said

ll Wrath ll.5961:

I set my traits to give me stealth when stealing.

So clearly he meant he trait for Hidden Thief.

And if you read what I quoted, you will understand what I meant. He proposed a solution if you don’t use hidden thief, but the way he wrote it made it look like he ment: BV, steal, cloak and dagger after the steal, not while stealing, and then proceed to the backstab. I just clarified that it can happen a lot faster

ll Wrath ll.5961:

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If you don’t want to set up your traits where stealing gives you invisibility, all you have to do is use basilisk venom so you turn them into stone when you steal, use #5 immediately, then use #1 right away. If done properly, you can do this before the venom wears off.

Did you mean this? cast basilisk, then press #5 (cloak and dagger), press your steal button (WHILE doing the cloak and dagger animation), which insta ports you to your enemy, you hit cloak and dagger, and then you can proceed to backstab.