Guild Wars 2

Cool video. Makes me wonder tho, why should I even bother playing my thief again, warrior are apparently the kings of burst, with little risk (you makes it look easy tho, since you are a good player) with this build I don’t have to think about ever healing, and no need to cloak and dagger for stealth and backstab for “high damage” (5-7k, depending on squishy or not) this build chains that dmg easily really fast.
This isn’t a QQ-post, I am leveling my warrior in this very moment, gotta test this out! Lol

Hey man.

After the update, do you still use travelers runes? I used to run your build when I got sick of D/D, and wanted something else. People don’t really expect the life leech, pretty funny.

Do you sometimes feel “cheap” running this? I mean, you are an pain in the kitten with this setup, haha.

WouterCloots.2504:

Your build isn’t cheese. Perplexity is (still) broken though. Personally I don’t think engineers are that easy to play, but indeed, when you get to know all the skills and combos it becomes a strong class. I use the same utilities and the p/s, and yes most classes are not hard to beat. But when you face a really good Necro or a Lame-Build-Warrior or maybe even some pro Elementalist, it can become hard to beat ‘em. Maybe you fight easy-to-average players. Also, condition engineer -wich I think you’re playing- became better imo.

My conclusion:
Being invincible looks pretty weird, engis can be beaten easily (when done right) and we take lots of damage. Maybe you’re playing this lame traits setup like older decaps, but then dumb easy traits to stay alive, and take no damage. (I don’t think you play like that, right?)

So just being invincible? -Nope, not possible at all. (Think about that Burst Mesmer/ 1-Shot Warrior / Fresh air ‘Burst’ Elementalist playing like a pro)

PS: kitten guy, all people saying that engineer (and ele) is the hardest class to play. U god ? In this other topic you also said: “I cant relate to that, I never go down”
-_-

My man, I am by no means God :P And that “I never go down” thing was just a joke.

I can’t even remember how my build is set up, but yeah, it’s condition based.
I think I just copy-pasted Yshis’ or something (http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQBYE2CZUjFZ2qfsRAA-w this is what I remember having, the last 4 trait points I don’t remember).

I just find it amazing that engineer has an answer to almost every situation, love it!

Banumiel.1926:

60 hours is an anecdotal experience. Pugs dont care… What is your server?

I am on Far Shiverpeaks server.

Hi people! I ask this because atm I feel invincible on my engie, (in WvW) and the thing is, I lvled that guy through crafting. I have about 60 hours of pure gameplay on him.
Maybe my build is “cheese”, and a easy-mode: I have pistol/shield, full rabid armour, perplexity-runes (maybe that’s why?) and run with tool kit, bombkit, elixir gun and supply crate.
I heard that engie is a easy class to play (nades), but hard to master. And I do agree that in the start it was a little confusing with all the kits I could equip, and learning the combo-fields, but once you get a hang of that, and know what all the skills in the different kits does, it’s awesome! I know what to press, and what to do in different circumstances. After playing a thief for a good time, they never bother me, and the rest of the classes goes relatively OK. I’ve tried, running kitteny towards Necroes, to beeing melted in seconds, so that’s the only class giving me problems with all those conditions.

TL:DR: I’m a noob on engie, and “own” all that walks except the occasional necromancer (I don’t own everyone tho, but I feel very confident running around, and I don’t really fear anyone).

Is my build cheese?

(don’t get me wrong, I’m not posting this to appear as an eliteist or anything, just curious about your opinions on my take on the class so far)

Thanks

Hey there! I would use SB (short bow) as a secondary weaponset, it’s good for kiting your enemy(s), apply poison and blastfields, but IMHO the damage won’t be enough as a primary weapon

I never get downed, so I can’t really relate to this.

J/K, I do agree.

A little OT, but:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80! I am posting from my frand’s account!

What’s up with this? :P

I have tried it, and it works very well paired with executioner. Havent tried eagles yet, but thats another damage bonus

I think they ninja-fixed it

edit: oZii, a well known Elementalist just made a guide with that food, and I don’t think he would add it if it was bugged.

I don’t know if most of you knew this, but I find this food interesting:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Seaweed_Salad

Nourishment (30m):
60% chance to gain Swiftness.png Swiftness (10s) when you kill a foe
+10% damage while moving
+10 Experience from kills.

We thieves don’t stand still much, so maybe this will help us increase our DPS while flanking the opponents?

Let’s say you pair it with Runes of the eagle, which gives you +6% permanent damage, and executioner, you deal +20% damage while the enemy is under 50% health.

That’s a 36% constant increase in damage.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Aikijinx-s-Life-Absorb-Build-Pictures

Here it is. I’ve tried it, and it’s pretty cool.

Interesting. I’m gonna test this out later. But I do share the same thoughts as Lygon has, that having travelers was ment to free up a utility slot, and not having an passive signet in the build. And it’s a good alternative for those who doesnt want to invest in the strength runes for might stacking, as it can be expensive for some

This is my opinion:
I wouldn’t use travelers runes anymore, because they got nerfed. Get used to use Signet of Shadows, and switch it out before combat.

The might-stacking build with valk-armor actually works great for me, see the “balanced d/d build” in the thief forums.

As you might know, critical damage-focused builds got nerfed, so we have to find the damage somewhere else. So far might-stacking with strength runes is per now a good replacement.

14 hp part of the video was quite fun.

Good job! Good job.

ozmaniandevil.6805:

I’m curious about whether or not traveller runes are a good set also. I have a set in my bank, and I can’t decide whether to sell or use them on my thief. She is for WvW roaming. I still need to choose her weapon set since the patch. Any ideas on that?? My poor thief is just lollygagging around DR waiting for something to do.

I would check https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/balanaced-d-d-build/page/2#post3940560 ; here is the D/D thief discussed as proposed by Omri.

Depends on what weaponset you like tho. Whatever you go for, stay away from P/D Condition-spec, hehehe. It’s just cheap IMO.

I personally think that travelers isn’t as appealing as it was, unfortunatly. Sell it at TP before the price drops :P It could always change back, but I don’t think that will happen in the near future.

@Dee Jay: Because I was wondering if people were still using travelers runes after the update. Guess I could start a new thread about it..

Are you guys still using this set? I threw it on the shelf for Strenght runes and the might-stacking (60g wasted. But I did expect this tho).

I miss the feeling of not having to switch out SoS all the time..

Thank you for your response flow.

I feel that 25% increased movement speed is a must, or else I feel like I’m running in mud up to my knees, lol. But as you mention, I have Spectral Walk. And I can equip the signet that gives me +25% movement speed, and just change it out when I’m entering battle.

I will check out those runes.

I tried this build and changed some points to Spite for Close to Death. It’s truly an advantage that I’ve played thief a lot, the most are melting with this setup. I didn’t buy me a new armor-set tho, I went with full zerk on all armor and trinkets. I still have a good chunk of health tho.
But maybe jump into some Valk armor-sets?

And I ment to have Golem as my elite, chose the wrong one ;-)

I don’t have the math to prove it, and i suck at math, but I’ve read in these forums that it isn’t worth it. At least not for a GM trait.

Maybe par it with signet of malice for more sustain, idk.

Ohh! That I didn’t know. It would be a little OP when I think about it, if it really would reset all those skills (venoms, signets, traps, tricks and deceptions) after stealing :P

Still, kinda interesting tho. It’s always nice to, lets say, Shadow Step or SR reset

I havent been focused alot on the DA traits, as I’ve normally been using a x/6/6/x/x setup, and kinda forgot about those traits.

Improvisation actually restores all skills of one type (venoms, signets, traps, tricks and deceptions after stealing). Awesome? I think so!

I’ve read about people having their SR reset 3 times in one fight, etc.

What are your experiences about that trait, is it worth it over the other Master-traits?

I would also use S/P in PvE, because of cleave and pistolwhip.

Shortbow in your offhand :-)

Mice.8921:

mompen.7952:

Do you think this will work with a mixed zerk/valk armor set?

I was thinking of using head, chest, pants valk, and the rest zerker, or do I loose out on a lot of defense that way?

that’s exactly what I ran (and still do) with traveler’s runes and sigils of fire/force…

I’m thinking of changing my gear up a bit now though as I think I might need a little more defense than that…

I find although I’ve lost of initial damage on my thief for WvW roaming, the new bloodlust sigil is pretty sweet and I’ve thrown in a sigil of blood…

I never had the patience for stacking bloodlust, but now with 5 stacks per player kill, its quite sweet…

Blood gives you extra dps but also….
Assuming you spend 3 seconds in reveal and 2 seconds in stealth to position a backstab in a normal fight… XI in shadow arts is giving you 600 hp (from 2 seconds in stealth) which is the same as 120 hp/second… Sigil of blood (with 300 healing power from shadow arts) heals for 480 and with the new power scaling hits for 453 + 7.5% of your power (pretty substantial)…
As it triggers once every 5 seconds its adding 88 hp/s to your rotation…. it make’s a difference…

I think with the crit dmg nerf, there isn’t going to be a “standard” thief build for a while now…

Yeah, I changed it to all Valk now. Doesnt seem like I lost that much damage vise, because of all the might stacking.

I have to check out that sigil of blood, thanks! Since I’m kinda struggling with survival atm, at least by following the exact traits as proposed here. I miss the heal (XI) in SA…

Omri.8196:

mompen.7952:

Do you think this will work with a mixed zerk/valk armor set?

I was thinking of using head, chest, pants valk, and the rest zerker, or do I loose out on a lot of defense that way?

You wanna squeeze as much vitality as you can, believe it or not its your best friend now. The crit damage nerf may have pushed people towards condi meta even more, and here vitality serves you best.

Allright, thanks. Tried it yesterday, and alltho I got some nice backstabs (12k on uplvl, and about 5-8k to toughies and squishies) I feel like I miss Shadow Rejuvenation in DA. Maybe its a L2P issue, but I feel like one heal (Withdraw) and Shadow Refuge isnt enough. Then again I miss feline grace, which is nice to get those mights up.

I also switched out Superior Sigil of Lightning for Superior Sigil of Battle (Gain 3 stacks of might (20 seconds) when you swap to this weapon while in combat. (Cooldown: 9 seconds)).
I start with SB, get a few hits, switch to D/D with Force and Battle sigils (thats 3 mights after switching), use Infiltrators Signet, 8 mights (? not in game right now), C&D ;stealthing 10-12 might, backstappph, and etc.

Any tips regarding my survival issues? Seems like people now know better how to fight us (and thats a good thing, maybe less QQ?) I find it hard to land a C&D at good players ^^

Do you think this will work with a mixed zerk/valk armor set?

I was thinking of using head, chest, pants valk, and the rest zerker, or do I loose out on a lot of defense that way?

This is for small guild groups in WvW, but mostly roaming, since I’m a loner.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vQAQNAoYWjc0UcbNN+2wfbCZSR2oNQKePch6h7sOfIA-zkCBoLBEnBiUAkmGiKAI7pIasFSFRjVvATXiIq2boIa1kBwfMA-w

I like the close and personal style of dagger-dagger (also playing a “theef”).

With this build I would have 3.5k attack (with food buffs), nice thoughness, alot of HP (at least for me, since I normally run with 12-15k on my theif). I make up with the loss of Critical Chance with the Deathly Perception in SR.

Was thinking of the newly buffed Ogre-runes for this. Thoughts?

And/or Sigils, for the sake of matter :-)

As the title says.

I have travelers rune for the 25% speed-bonus, and find it nice as it free’s up a slot for me.

But are the stats as the runes are now really worth it?

1. +8 to all stats
2. +5% boon duration
3. +12 to all stats
4. +10% boon duration, +10% condition damage
5. +16 to all stats
6. + 25% movement speed

The new superior rune of the Thief looks interesting:

1. +25 Precision
2. +35 Condition Damage
3. +50 Precision
4. +65 Condition Damage
5. +100 Precision
6. When striking your foe from behind or the side gain +10% damage.

I guess I can slot SoS for the 25% movement speed, and just change it out infront of a battle. But then I loose 25% movement speed while in battle, and sometimes also I get jumped, and are forced to play with it.

I’m looking for a runeset that gives me as much presicion as possible, as I dont want to jump on the condition-meta (if possible).

Playing D/D for the sake of matter. Can also change to P/D power-build.

Volrath.1473:

Carpboy.7145:

Very very squishy. Try this

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vYAQNAoYVlsMp8plOx7JsPNhs9onqQii7BTlUNVXhoC-zUCB4fAYLLakgIaEFIUBg5oFRjtNoIas6aYaXER1kCYrFAA-w

This is the only D/D build I would play IF I was to play D/D. It was my spec for a long time but not anymore…

What are you using now? Curious ;-) D/P?

Question: Does dagger training also work with one handed dagger setup?

@Carpboy: Thanks, will look into that. Was thinking of not relying on SA so much, but a more DMG oriented build. But that doesnt look so bad.

@Thaddeus: Thanks for your inputs. The reason I chose Executioner for Hidden Killer was of the synergy of both the signet, and the fury I get when target is at 50% health. And I thought that I was gonna C&D off targets to heal up a little, but maybe the build is a tad too squishy yeah, as it seems both of you think of.

And I meant I like Long Reach, as in I don’t want to change it out ;-) Grown to like it! But I guess I can run a few meters and then steal. But I like the added surprise I get from it..

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vYAQJAoYlsMp0pNOx7J8PRhs9onqQeirgT5Vos0UQTtEA-zECBYfBkoAkKAIzURM7UYtMsIas6aYKXER1BAQA2ZdGArX9q3+qX9QIgRLAA-w

Main thoughts on this build:

Traits:

• Long reach for an unsuspected steal
• Mug, well… Explains it self. Nice dmg boost, C&D precast and a 13sec poison.
• Dagger training – because I only use daggers (SB offhand)
• Furious Retalitaion + Executioner both trigger when enemy is at 50% health. A nice dmg boost (20%) plus a 20% increase in Critical Chance.
• Shadow’s Embrace for condi clear

Skills:

• Hide in shadows – because
• Shadowstep – because
• Assassins signet (pop that when foe is at 50% health, you get another 15% increase in damage the next five attacks
• Shadow refuge – because

I have some questions:

• Dagger training worth it?
• 10 points in SA enough? I could loose Long Reach (which I dont like) and go for Infusion of Shadows or Cloaked in Shadow for blinds
• Assassins signet – switch with Roll for Initiative or Blinding Powder if not spec’ed 20 in SA? It’s a nice DMG boost tho..

And generally any advice/concerns, please feel free to share

Thanks for reading

Edit: This is for WvW roaming. I’m a loner :P

Nice to see someone else playing P/D and not focusing on conditions, and thats not the “meta”. I play a more defensive/tougher build tho.

I see myself using SR more aggressive using a P/D build for leeches (and of course its a nice “oh kitten” utility, and I like to troll others with it, cast it in front of an escaping player etc, but thats another story.

What rune would you imagine you using when the update hits live?

I also play P/D atm, but without perplex.

One can always criticise one others gameplay watching a video, and I saw alot of dodges where you really didnt need to. But if you dodged to gain swiftness, thats another story I guess ;-)

Cool vid, keep it up.

I laughed my way through that post OP, got to see the vid when I get home from woerks.

Seems OP on the paper tho.

Snap crackle and popsicle.

I kinda expected this, so heres the proof.

Hello fellow theefs, I mean, Thieves!

(If a thread like this allready exists, I’m sorry. I couldnt find it anyways)

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could write down a summary of what the different classes allows you to steal, and the attibrutes of said items you steal does.

New thieves will learn this (and maybe you also learn something) to learn what this awesome F1 skill does, what the item you steal does and what combos you can execute after activated the stealed item.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Steal/Creature <- This is a good place to start!

Elementalist:
Stolen item:
Combo(s) you can execute:
Benefit(s) from combo:

Engineer:
Stolen item:
Combo(s) you can execute:
Benefit(s) from combo:

Guardian:
Stolen item:
Combo(s) you can execute:
Benefit(s) from combo:

Mesmer:
Stolen item:
Combo(s) you can execute:
Benefit(s) from combo:

Necromancer
Stolen item:
Combo(s) you can execute:
Benefit(s) from combo:

Ranger:
Stolen item:
Combo(s) you can execute:
Benefit(s) from combo:

Thief:
Stolen item:
Combo(s) you can execute:
Benefit(s) from combo:

Warrior:
Stolen item:
Combo(s) you can execute:
Benefit(s) from combo:

Share your knowledge, and I will update this post on the go! :-) Also, if theres something else I can add regarding steal, please don’t be shy ;-)

Yeah, I think I’ll just wait then ;-) lol ^^

I’m also thinking about this. I’m not sure what I will put in the SoS-slot, but anyways:

Currently I have ruby orb on my armor, anyone know how much I will loose damage-vise?

Noob question – I can’t seem to find these runes on TP?

Edit: seal of beetletun, found it

Same here. Thought it was my internet, even tho I have a really fast internet. So kinda “comforting” I see you guys with the same problem.. It’s nearly unplayable for me! x( From Norway, EU, btw.

Hey!

I’ve just started lvling my Engineer, and I have a 80 necro and 80 thief as well.
I think this will turn out to be my new “main”, since I love the diversety of the class and its not as easymode as my other two classes.

Anyway, I went with “red ring of death” on both my necro and thief for zerker gear.
I now got enough laurels to purchase a new accessorie, and just want some inputs on what to choose as an engineer. Maybe something that will work as a type of “hybrid”, since I dont want to lock my self into one build.

While we at it, I also have no idea of what build I’m going to run, and would appreciate some inputs on that as well :-)

Thanks in advance!

/My ingame nick: Kennyneer (hook me up!)

9/10
Cool Shaman look! And, you have the same weaponset as me, hah!

Here’s my Necro, chillin’ (see what I did there?) in the Shiverpeaks

In game name: Sïthis
Secondary class: Necro
Student

See you ingame! My server: Far Shiverpeaks

I just beat him as well. I don’t know if it was only luck or what, but I got very happy when I defeated him, lol.

First off, choose the elite skill: Boast.

I faked all the time until his boost (elite) came up, (dont fake while his boost is up, you take more damage. either drink water, belch or actually drink). as soon as his boost is down, you can start faking again. And I know, sometimes he sees the fake too often… Anyway, when you are low on health and you have to drink (water and belch on cooldown), activate Boast, and drink as many drinks you need until either water or belch is up again. This way you only take aprox. 1000 dmg instead of 2000 pr. drink.

With a bit of luck and good timing, I finally beated that wiseass!

If people have a hard time fighting against mesmers who use clones, I suggest the following: turn off in options “show npc names” and turn ON allways show player names" or something, cant remember exactly what it says since im at work now.

This makes all the clones of the mesmer have no name over their heads, while the real mesmer always have a red name above them.

This has helped me a lot

Interesting, gonna try this out later. I’ve been all conditions (lopez-build) until now, gonna be nice to mix it up a little with some direct damage and siphoning.

Excited!

I actually did, on all armor-pieces and on my jewelry.

Was thinking of maybe buying the “ring of death” ascended-earring… 35 laurels. I miss only 5 now But I dont know if I should save them or not.

Did my first P1 CoF yesterday, died only once with my stats (zerker), so guess I did okey. Gonna try more later today!

@Stiv: Thanks for the tip(s)! Will test it out Specially the mug-thingy. sounds interesting!

I just bought some green stuff, and alltho I look like a complete kitten my stats has gone up a little at least compared to what they where

So guess I’ll go farm for tokens then!

one last thing, is there a good laurel-backpiece or something that fits zerker I could buy?