Why the hell do people care about AP points?
I am pretty confused about this. Before it was said that after Year of Ascension it would become significantly harder to get the backpiece. But instead it got easier now because you can farm an unlimited amount of pvp tickets per season now and you no longer have to cross divisions.
So instead of a minimum of 2 seasons where you need legendary+ diamond you can do it in one season just grinding along even if you have 100% loss rate.So everyone should have access to AP but not the legendary according to your logic that spans a few threads?
It was Anet who said it would become harder. But instead it got faster and easier, despite already being 1000 gold cheaper for the final stage than the PvE equivalent Ad Infinitum.
They clearly changed their minds.
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I cannot understand why on earth they would change this. And even worse how people can possibly justify that this is a good idea.
Seriously just delete wvw and have every1 go to pve land where every1 is a winner zzzThere should be no “teaming up” this is a 1v1v1 no matter what. The new scoring system directly entourages a 2v1.
Bad bad bad change. I hope it gets revert next patch. I really do.
The old system encouraged worse 2v1s. If your only complaint is that it will encourage a 2v1 on the top server then its no argument at all.
Vayne’s correct.
Cash Shops or variants of ‘Paying for extra content’ are the future of current gaming. I would even extend it outside of MMOs or Mobile Games, some recent shooters have iterations like Loot Boxes that have a similar reward system. Currently playing Titanfall 2, I can get random cosmetic rewards on a whim, but they recently introduced new ‘Prime’ Titans that I can pay a bit of cash for that give me an alternative, different cosmetic look to my Titan which carries different voiceovers and executions.
We are getting away from Subs folks.
I’d dispute that. In fact I would say the PC market is somewhat pushing back against the practice. The decline in GW2, the severe pushback against the current swtor xpac which is blatant price gouging in this vein.
Its all leading to more niche games which do away with these anti consumer practices. Enhancing this will be Amazon’s platform which will make it easier and easier to develop online games with good netcode and synergies with social media.
It says in the patch notes that this was something the players wanted. Sorry, I never remember this topic being brought up.
Seriously, how can you guys be so shortsighted. It really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how this is going to change things.
It has been suggested many times and discussed.
So your solution would be to open Blackgate I suppose.
I very much doubt server chat could be done with linked servers. The closest we have is team chat.
Scoring in WvW cannot be based largely on PPK because it is a 24/7 gamemode, and there aren’t always people to fight for points. You cannot simply look at your server, but gamewide across all servers. Structures can always be captured, lost, and upgraded they don’t go anywhere therefore it makes sense to make them the larger factor in scoring. PPK can already make a bigger impact on scores thanks to skirmishes and with bloodlust you can add more points, it can make a huge difference in a very short amount of time, literally hundreds of points in minutes can be acquired thanks to PPK and bloodlust.
What he said, in addition I don’t feel that a server should we rewarded for ignoring objectives and spawn camping for instance which would become highly beneficial if PPK were the primary source of points.
Before the silly change to increase PPT to T3 objectives PPK was reasonably balanced with PPT and that didn’t happen.
It wasn’t a silly change, it was a logical change, what sense does it make for a tier 1 paper keep/tower to give the same amount of points as a tier 3 upgraded structure. PPK is still a powerful tool because it can add a ton of points very quickly, PPT is timed and progressive.
Logical doesn’t mean good for the game. It was discussed in detail when the change was made. Greater PPT for T2 and T3 objectives leads to bad gameplay.
What exactly is bad about it?
It encourages all servers to be YB.
There is no reason a server with a 2.0 kdr with mass amount of kills should lose a match.
Actually there is a reason. It’s called PPT. There are three ways to win. Be good at both PPK/PPT, be amazing at PPK or be amazing at PPT. Anet provides this variety to accommodate people with different play styles and experience. It’s good for the game in the long run.
Being amazing at PPK will not result in a win for the reasons stated in this thread.
Scoring in WvW cannot be based largely on PPK because it is a 24/7 gamemode, and there aren’t always people to fight for points. You cannot simply look at your server, but gamewide across all servers. Structures can always be captured, lost, and upgraded they don’t go anywhere therefore it makes sense to make them the larger factor in scoring. PPK can already make a bigger impact on scores thanks to skirmishes and with bloodlust you can add more points, it can make a huge difference in a very short amount of time, literally hundreds of points in minutes can be acquired thanks to PPK and bloodlust.
What he said, in addition I don’t feel that a server should we rewarded for ignoring objectives and spawn camping for instance which would become highly beneficial if PPK were the primary source of points.
Before the silly change to increase PPT to T3 objectives PPK was reasonably balanced with PPT and that didn’t happen.
It wasn’t a silly change, it was a logical change, what sense does it make for a tier 1 paper keep/tower to give the same amount of points as a tier 3 upgraded structure. PPK is still a powerful tool because it can add a ton of points very quickly, PPT is timed and progressive.
Logical doesn’t mean good for the game. It was discussed in detail when the change was made. Greater PPT for T2 and T3 objectives leads to bad gameplay.
Scoring in WvW cannot be based largely on PPK because it is a 24/7 gamemode, and there aren’t always people to fight for points. You cannot simply look at your server, but gamewide across all servers. Structures can always be captured, lost, and upgraded they don’t go anywhere therefore it makes sense to make them the larger factor in scoring. PPK can already make a bigger impact on scores thanks to skirmishes and with bloodlust you can add more points, it can make a huge difference in a very short amount of time, literally hundreds of points in minutes can be acquired thanks to PPK and bloodlust.
What he said, in addition I don’t feel that a server should we rewarded for ignoring objectives and spawn camping for instance which would become highly beneficial if PPK were the primary source of points.
Before the silly change to increase PPT to T3 objectives PPK was reasonably balanced with PPT and that didn’t happen.
So, the brave new pvp selling point of the expansion was dropped from the get go, and now we’re finally seeing be put down like a lame horse.
But is it the game mode’s fault? Or simply a apathetic community and lack of investment from Anet?
Lack of investment from anet. It was never what anet initially advertised it to be and it was a poor moba hybrid, there have been other moba hybrids that worked better.
Commanding, have tried it and dislike doing it.
- The new rating system is similar to Black Ops 2 league play (the only similar reference I personally know). based on your wins and performance, your skill rating increases, and vice versa
Its also very very similar to Overwatch and from what I understand LOL.
Also here’s a link to the anet announcement, dunno why there’s no sticky on it:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/upcoming-changes-for-pvp-league-season-5/
Forgot to say finally mmr will be reset, this is a great thing.
Why isn’t there a sticky in this forum linking to the announcement?
It just does. Same kittenty matchmaking, just visible elo rating, same terrible leaderboard system, same terrible rewards ( i dont need ascended gear as pvp player, no way to get a legendary even if youre top tier), same terrible balance. Also competitive is dead. Not even gonna bother.
Sorry I don’t get this, its a huge change. The reward track has been completely divorced from matchmaking and rating which is as it should be. There are exclusive rewards for being at a higher rating as well as progressing along the reward track quicker. Its pretty much a copy of the Overwatch ranked system and from what I understand also LOL but it is a superior system so that is a good thing. This will bring me back to spvp. Well done Evan and the team.
Plus the ability to earn ascended armor is great IMO given I do not only play spvp.
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Wouldn’t be better if whole WvW divided into 3 factions instead of servers which named of corresponding pve order (order of whispers, vigil, durmand priory) and allow everyone that 1 time only free order change. Ladder ranking system(guild or personal) based on contribution to your order.
Yes it would have been better. My feeling is that early in development this is probably what they planned to do but then scrapped it.
Why are Aussies on SoS – is ping somehow better there? What is considered good ping for Aussies playing NA or EU servers?
Aussies in mmos without a server in Australia tend to nominate a server to congregate on so they will have other players in the times they are playing. IIRC at launch it was SOS and maybe IOJ.
honestly probably BG, since their coverage is stacked 24/7, but it’s closed. id say Mag, TC or JQ are your best choices. JQ just closed so you’ll have to see.
JQ just closed! Anet really are sitting on their hands regarding population calculations. Next thing BG will open.
I come to the wvw forums for interesting discussion and I’ll see are pipe dream reworks or stuff for gw3 rofl. Nobody has a clear idea what wvw needs.
Plenty of people know what WvW needs, an alliance system similar to the battlegroup proposal that anet themselves developed and told selected partners about.
Hmm this does sound like a legitimate problem with tonics.
Well that was a nothing article, I thought it was leading to a good conclusion but no. And it said nothing really about the polls being an illusion of choice at least not in any detail beyond a cursory mention about the polls being too directed.
Found out last night that epidemic can be used off siege since they now take condis. It definitely needs to be nerfed.
You must be some sort of god to see the animations of a single person in a zerg of 50…
WvW is never only about playing in a zerg, please remember there are roamers as well as smaller skirmish fights that happen.
I doubt they would make a change for only a small segment of the population.
I hate to break it to people but as much as I love WvW I bet that even if it went away GW2 would continue to thrive with the content that it has now, and continue to add to as time goes by.
Look at their latest quarterly results, GW2 is not thriving.
I do not understand this change at all. First they introduce skirmishes to reduce the effect of nightcapping, and then they do the exact opposite by letting upgraded objectives tick higher. Another week, another totally random update…
Its 1 sign they don’t have an overriding vision for the mode and devs who understand how to develop for it.
Interesting info, sorry if I missed it but there’s a lot to take in, have you adjusted for CPI?
Thanks WvW Team for this, hope we keep getting more updates like this in WvW.
Yes cause we want changes that the majority of players will immediately turn off and not use.
It doesn’t it makes strong sides stronger and weaker sides relatively weaker. What they should have done is reward servers that capture T2 and T3 keeps more points purely for capture but keep the PPT the same.
Its another change that shows they don’t truly think all the implications through.
Ya that’s a fairly smart conclusion. I would like them to consider this after 2 weeks of the present changes……supposing they do have the effect you outlined.
Consider this kind of logic though:
We should approach ideas from the scenario that we have relatively balanced teams to begin with. From that kind of approach…..I understand what anet is doing here and im curious to see what it achieves.I mean you can’t get a good change if you are always compromising every component of the change to meet existing demands….can we agree with the logic on that? Hopefully we can agree at least from a theoretical perspective.
Sure I can agree on that but they should make changes to even up the teams first before changes like this.
Pretty shocked by this as well. Clearly not the right move.
I understand they want to reward defending, but this is not the way to go about it.
If this change is about rewarding defenders then its nonsensical. A reward for defending has to be direct like a drop.
ESO has been f2p for 7 months.
pretty sure its b2p with an optional subscription.
Regardless, it’s still a terrible game.
Just to clarify on the weekend ESO was free to play just for the weekend and no its not terrible, combat is not as fluid as GW2 but its RvR mechanics are miles ahead of GW2 because they have devs that know what they are doing.
Does anybody here see the logic in this?
I don’t see how this improves WvW at all. How, for example, does this tweak make weaker sides more competitive (in PPT terms, ofc)?
It doesn’t it makes strong sides stronger and weaker sides relatively weaker. What they should have done is reward servers that capture T2 and T3 keeps more points purely for capture but keep the PPT the same.
Its another change that shows they don’t truly think all the implications through.
Apparently it may have been due to a dash skill on the tonic.
Unsure how this will play out on a longer period but as for now i can see it’s not a good idea as it might favor the already dominating side. Just keep everything paper and hold your t3s.
This is pretty much spot on, it will just enable the dominant server to get bigger wins.
That’s indeed a problem but what incentive you have to attack T3 objectives when you can capture paper ones and have the same effect? I think the ideal would be if the upgrades on objectives reseted with each skirmish, making you have to work toward upgrading them if you intent to make them T3 for the points.
How about extra points for capturing a T3 keep but PPT remains the same.
Unsure how this will play out on a longer period but as for now i can see it’s not a good idea as it might favor the already dominating side. Just keep everything paper and hold your t3s.
This is pretty much spot on, it will just enable the dominant server to get bigger wins.
i havent played in months and i was wondering how WvW right now?
Worse
Where have you been? They have already said they scrapped it all (relatively speaking, we dont know if anything was even being worked on) and decided to drop lots of small changes instead. Which they technically have done.
OK so it was just a big lie then. They hadn’t done anything for a whole year with that large “bulk of programmers”, and WvW has never been their focus at all. They just have the same minimal team barely getting anything done.
Thanks.
No.
They worked on a plan, it got leaked to the playerbase. The bulk of the playerbase rejected it. They moved on with a modified plan (linking), while examining other options.
I don’t recall seeing a poll on battlegroups. In fact IIRC the leak at the time wasn’t even about battlegroups, I don’t recall them being mentioned until Tyler admitted that they had been a plan at 1 stage.
As I said in my post, there was no poll, the leak came pre-polling that Anet implemented.
As I said the leak was not about battlegroups.
Where have you been? They have already said they scrapped it all (relatively speaking, we dont know if anything was even being worked on) and decided to drop lots of small changes instead. Which they technically have done.
OK so it was just a big lie then. They hadn’t done anything for a whole year with that large “bulk of programmers”, and WvW has never been their focus at all. They just have the same minimal team barely getting anything done.
Thanks.
No.
They worked on a plan, it got leaked to the playerbase. The bulk of the playerbase rejected it. They moved on with a modified plan (linking), while examining other options.
I don’t recall seeing a poll on battlegroups. In fact IIRC the leak at the time wasn’t even about battlegroups, I don’t recall them being mentioned until Tyler admitted that they had been a plan at 1 stage.
Where have you been? They have already said they scrapped it all (relatively speaking, we dont know if anything was even being worked on) and decided to drop lots of small changes instead. Which they technically have done.
OK so it was just a big lie then. They hadn’t done anything for a whole year with that large “bulk of programmers”, and WvW has never been their focus at all. They just have the same minimal team barely getting anything done.
Thanks.
Probably not a lie, their work was just scrapped which is pretty poor from them. I imagine a lot of work was done on the battlegroup design in that timeframe, then from whats been said they panicked and went in a different direction at the last minute.
What is Maguuma’s goal in making this kind of ridiculous game? In all WvW time I have never seen this kind of low level atitutu, this is certain that capturing the castle is part of the game, plus doing respawn kill, that is too much. Any acceptable explanation for this kind of attitude?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
This………. plus kdr, nothing else matters.
Whats funny is that when we had YBs keep 2 days ago that at the beginning of the ocx timezone YB and FA were 2v1ing Mag hard so YB could get back their keep and I guess so FA could win the skirmish.
You are incredibly wrong.
FA and YB don’t talk to one another and we certainly don’t 2v1 any other server, EVER.
Apparently you aren’t in WvW 6-8 hours a day and it shows by your post and lack of knowing what is going on in the short time you are on and into PST daytime when most are at work in the U.S..
Ad hominem.
Whether by accident or design YB and FA both hit Mag hard at the same time, ergo a 2v1, it doesn’t require talking to each other.
Whats funny is that when we had YBs keep 2 days ago that at the beginning of the ocx timezone YB and FA were 2v1ing Mag hard so YB could get back their keep and I guess so FA could win the skirmish.
So the enemy has held our keep for almost 2 Days now, Its so seiged up, not sure we will ever get it back.
I have played WvW for a long time, never seen someone take and defend a keep for such a long time. Normally, take it, defend it for maybe a Day, then let them have it back so there will be more fights. You dont wanna be so dominating that the other side simply stops playing. What fun is that??
So wont be playing this week, We are so out numbed, its no fun. So I guess they are just gonna have fun with no fights.
Thanks for killing the fun this week, enjoy your easy week my friend.
YB have done this to other servers so no pity.
I call BS.
Yak’s Bend doesn’t ally with and pay for their own players to move to a linked server with the promise of moving those same players back to their original server, if possible.
Now it’s not two servers against one. It’s now four and three servers against one in ANY tier.
Manipulation is easy if you can get the gold and they can and do.
What does this have to do with Mag sieging up YB EB keep?
Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?
Remain deathmatch but be round based, best of 3 or 5 rounds.
Yeah, I’m observing this right now and Mag’s behavior is pretty bad. Spawn camping is horrid for the game mode. Does nothing but lower participation across the board. Hoping folks from BG and JQ see this and give them the same treatment in the future.
You must have seen YB doing this to JQ, the only reason this continued so long is due to wanting to give YB a taste of their own medicine.
The grindy nature of most aspects of the game.
So the enemy has held our keep for almost 2 Days now, Its so seiged up, not sure we will ever get it back.
I have played WvW for a long time, never seen someone take and defend a keep for such a long time. Normally, take it, defend it for maybe a Day, then let them have it back so there will be more fights. You dont wanna be so dominating that the other side simply stops playing. What fun is that??
So wont be playing this week, We are so out numbed, its no fun. So I guess they are just gonna have fun with no fights.
Thanks for killing the fun this week, enjoy your easy week my friend.
YB have done this to other servers so no pity.
JQ/TC have Sea/Ocx coverage better than Mag
You’ve been told many times, JQ has no ocx guild with sox leaving. Mag now has 2 ocx guilds that run regularly in knf and sox and another couple that run occasionally. With JQs sea I think its mainly pugs now led by Cloudfly or Sfeee from GE.
We actually haven’t won every match up, in fact before the last relinking we had lost 3 straight weeks.
The week before the relink BG won
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