Guild Wars 2

Certain exotic pearls give you far more profit for about the same effort in a shorter period of crafting time. However you need to bankroll it pretty heavily and expect to sit on them for awhile. The rare market right now is flooded with people doing exactly what you’re suggesting. It’s still cheaper to buy commonly dropped rares to toss into the toilet than it is to buy crafted ones, simply since crafters are working off tight margins and drops are basically all profit.

Masterwork 80’s are between 924 and about 1380

penatbater.4710:

buy green high level weapons, combine in MF to get rares, then sell the rares :p

I do this, it’s hit or miss on any substantial profit over doing other things, but it is a good conversion rate overall.

it might not be too far down the road that you might be able to craft ascended gear, would be my guess. Then by all means you’d be able to sell it on the TP.

Orrian jewelry boxes are actually a fairly good deal. Certainly not the best, but if you happen to get a charged lodestone, then it’s pretty nice. Cooking too, doesn’t have a bad return rate, if you gather the materials for it. I wouldn’t say dyes are worth it though.

Considering you can boost your karma per jug up to %95, you can easily nab 100K in about a week, just doing dailies.

I would say chef and jeweler are the ones that are fairly worth investing time and money into. Making food and using it can save you some money, same with rings and accessories. Food stuff is pretty easy to come by and it’s mostly cheap if you gather it yourself (lot’s of stuff is bought with karma too). Not to mention the all your can eat achievement you can get while leveling up the craft. All that is best if your gearing a couple toons also. Obviously there is the option of just going straight to ascended stuff.

There may be a day down the road they introduce some really nice recipes also (like Wintersday and Halloween), where there is a window of opportunity to make some extra money before the market bottoms out.

JakHammer.7094:

Has there been any study done comparing Master kits to the 250 use Mystic Kits?

It would seem they should have identical returns, but I had a very disappointing return rate on about 60 rares – around 80% ectos, after using up all my free BLSKs and getting expected returns on 220 rares.

All i use are mystic kits. When i’ve mentioned master kits, it’s always been mystic kits that i refer to. Although i haven’t tested using master kits, supposedly the return should be identical.

Rajani Isa.6294:

If we could get a statement, one way or another, as to wether or not this will ALWAYS work on any mining node it would be great.

Hmm, unless i’m missing something, they haven’t said anything about a higher type of materials ever being introduced. So the worry that something is always going to work seems a bit misplaced.

Vol.5241:

Mystic.5934:

I don’t see it as a convenience until they release the other 2 tools as well. still gotta go run back and buy sickles and axes. might as well buy picks while you’re there.

Well it’s a limited time item.

When they release the other two tools you will regret not buying this pick

Pretty much this, if i was a betting man, knowing how the gem marked exploded immediately after this was released, i’d say it’s a sure bet we’ll be seeing more of these in the future.

It’s not that i don’t believe you, it’s just that i’ve tossed about 600 bows in the forge and not gotten crap. Sometimes i don’t even get an exotic back.

Tommyknocker.6089:

Kurow.6973:

I don’t know about anyone else, but personally, after the BLC molten ticket experience…I’m really turned off from spending any more $ for ANet.

I agree here actually. I won’t spend one stinking penny on a RNG lottery, but the picks (thankfully) were not just a random chance.

I agree as well, which is why i won’t be buying the dye packs either.

Go here:

http://www.gw2crafts.net/

Pretty much everything you need to know including costs based on current prices on the TP.

Gamblit.5041:

lordkrall.7241:

Gamblit.5041:

You can buy it unlimited amount of times.

So it is not the same then?
You still have to run back there every time it runs out of charges?
So it is actually not even remotely the same?

No, you are paying 20-22 gold for the same item that you already had.

If you don’t want to spend 1 extra minute to travel around, can always buy tons of them and stock on an alt or two.

If you take into account travel costs of having to go there every time for another set of picks, that’s something. Plus NEVER having to haul around a couple stacks of picks is pure bonus to me. 30 bucks seem reasonable to hand off to each of my 3 main toons.

Definitely not everyone’s cup o’ tea, but from the looks of the gem market, it seems to be a big hit.

It does cater to some people for sure though… I certainly run around the low level areas for dailies since it’s pretty quick and since gathering is very often part of dailies. There are times i run out of picks in the middle of nowhere, it’s going to save me some travel costs too.

Everything i’ve read throughout this thread is true. All my casual playing friends RARELY log in, mostly due to the less than rewarding gameplay overall. It’s mostly an issue with the economy, but it’s also for the things mentioned in the OP.

There is definitely a nitch group still playing the game. People that really want to grind out legionaries (which BTW is the only end-game content). I think they are moving in the right direction with stuff like the super adventure box, so there is hope.

Yeah i figured that was the deal. You see it all the time over there and here as well when games are made overseas that don’t have publishers in the US.

You might be able to confirm this yourself with some very basic research. For example, DLC for other video games that are made here and sold over seas have the same type of thing going on. If it’s 20 USD, it’s 20 Euro. Given the US tax system, i wouldn’t doubt if US companies are charged an export tax for virtual items, not to mention the wildly fluctuating exchange rates.

I do know it’s possible with partially crafted items to make some money. Things like Ori Blades sell well and have a fairly small, but profitable margin at times. Also, bases for inscriptions (not the actual inscription) have a similar margin as well.

lordkrall.7241:

munkiman.3068:

Rarity or not, buying it is playing unknown odds. The only saving grace over the nightmare that is the chests and the fused skins is that you can actually sell it on the TP.

Haven’t this however always been the case with the dyes? Since release the dyes you got from the packs bought in the store have been completely random.

I think it says specifically what you get (as far as rarity), i’ve never bought dye packs, i’ve only opened the ones i get from chests. I wouldn’t buy the packs either, but then again i’m not that big into collecting dyes. Besides if i want a specific color i’ll buy it off the TP.

Yup, i’m actually proof of one of those people that got both backpacks and a ticket, but it took 267 chests to get there. I’m not particularly happy with what my odds turned out to be, which is why i won’t be buying keys anymore over these kind of item offers. Very similar to why i won’t be buying the dye packs either.

Rarity or not, buying it is playing unknown odds. The only saving grace over the nightmare that is the chests and the fused skins is that you can actually sell it on the TP.

I’m having the same issue selling off my now 3rd vision of the mist. The highest buy order would give me a total loss of 40g, so it’s going to sit there till i can make at least 4g off the sale.

I hope it sells for you, however it doesn’t look like a fast mover, so it might be awhile.

Zumy.6318:

I got 8 precursors so far. My theory is that some accounts are blessed with pixel luck due to some coding erros or sth like that.
I get 10 times more rares than any person of my guild in Wv3 too.

I suppose this could be true, since i get better luck on my Guardian then i do on any of my other toons. Or, it’s just random.

Ok, well i didn’t bother with these, but as that’s the case then it too is bad and they obviously aren’t listening at all or simply don’t care. Put a chance at one of the 3 exclusive dyes plus another random dye or just one of the 3 exclusive colors and leave it at that. It’s getting tired and old already with this “buy this item for a chance at getting something you want” garbage.

Zumy.6318:

Vol.5241:

-perma BL salvage kit (5000 gems)

I’d pay. And it would be worth it.

4000 would make more sense only since that’s the max buy and i too would totally pay for that, but imagine what the ecto market would do at current salvage rates. I already make 4-5 g burning through 2 kits, if i could do that all the time, i’d flush the market of cheap rares alone. Crafting might actually be profitable!

Yup, seemed pretty clear to me as well. Like i said that would be the ultimate taboo to put an item in that only worked for a limited time.

Yeah, i wish i hadn’t tossed my extra gems at the conversion to gold now. Thing is with the shop, it seems like it’s always going to go up once they have items like this appear every so often. I’m wondering what the cap actually is, or how many gems are actually available.

Umm if they tried to pull that, making the unlimited use only work for a certain amount of time, i’d be entirely done with this game.

I was already invested in buying keys and getting at least a few other things i actually wanted back, which is what kept me going till i got a skin. I won’t be doing it in the future though. I’m sure i spent more money on this game at this point than i did on my release ps3. I think the pick is a good deal, however i already blew all my disposable income on keys.

TheDeparted.8013:

I don’t own a ranger or Kudzu, but I would think people wouldn’t want a super obvious flower field screaming out “Hey guys, move out of this aoe” in WvW.

I’m assuming they want the field to show up as arrows hit the ground which is already to late. There’s already red rings as soon as the skill gets cast anyway.

Corvax.1675:

I have to agree here. As much as I like crafting and the crafting system, it is increasingly tedious to find a recipe as the list of craftable items grows. It’s all fine at the beginning, the colour sytem helps, but… I really wish there were separate tabs for refinement items. I also wish that the ingredients were grouped by the type of the end product, at least in case of armors and weapons. (e.g. all type of sword hilts under “swords”).

I agree and these are good suggestions. I’d also like if they went back to being able to craft the required items right in the recipe window (assuming you have the mats). Not sure why they took that highly useful option out.

I seriously don’t understand how one person can get that lucky, while everyone else is toss G down the toilet and getting nothing.

Totally worth the 10 bucks. Forget the gold to gem conversion.

Milennin.4825:

I’ve always wondered what kind of people would put their Legendary for sale on the trade post…xD It just seems silly to me, to put so much effort into getting one, and then selling it for gold. What do you plan on doing with that much gold anyway?

I would have taken the 1200g buy listing, if i crafted one just to sell it. I mean what would i need more than 1200g for anyway? Another legendary?

Sad thing is, we’ll prolly see the fused tickets as rewards for the final battle of flame and frost…

No you are wrong, actually. Even if you could get an exotic for 1g (which you can’t) that’s 1600G. You can’t even craft one for 1g unless you farm all the mats and use BLSKs to salvage every rare you get as a drop, but even then, that’s a lot of kits and tools. At around 2g, which is a steal, you’re talking 3200g.

The only extremely remote possibility would be getting super lucky with the forge and upgrading thousands of masterwork items to rare, then to exotic. I don’t think there’s even enough stock for that, not to mention the fact that you have to get really lucky.

Ahh this explains why copper went nuts. When someone posts these TP “secrets” and use specific items like copper you’re going to see exactly what you saw. The market takes time to earn decent money by watching trends, you can’t just make money with lowball buy orders on fast moving items like copper. Silly that.

I agree the variation is pretty small. I’ve done hundreds if not thousands of salvages using both BLSKs and MSKs and the BLSK are far and away the best kit to use for salvaging rare or better items. The MSKs on average yield about %10 less ectos than items salvaged.

276 chests, finally got one…

Syeria.4812:

Pandemoniac.4739:

Charismatic Harm.9683:

If your argument is that there are substitutes for those items, I’ll agree….there are. There are also substitutes for weapon skins too….LOTS of them. A substitute is something similar, but not exactly the same….right?

That’s not really the argument though. The argument is that THESE skins are not available anywhere else. I see that as a good thing….a VERY good thing, in fact.

All weapons skins are not substitutes for all other weapon skins.

This short bow is really cool looking in my opinion:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/gallery/image/4387-fused-shortbow-skin/

What skin would I go buy that is similar but maybe not quite as cool? I don’t see anything on Argos Soft that has the same flame forged industrial look to it.

The destroyer bow is flame forged but organic looking.

The avenger’s bow is sort of mechanical looking, but it’s too shiny and sleek.

But your own argument was that items that are not the same, but somehow potential substitutes makes those items different from the skins people are so concerned about. There is one way, and one way only to get the Tiger Charr backpack, and there is no perfect substitute for it. The difference between the Tiger Charr backpack and the Plush Charr backpack is essentially identical to the difference between the Fused Shortbow and the Molten Shortbow.

Other than the Harvesting tools (which are arguable no better than using ori tools because of the extremely limited uses), everything else from the boxes can be purchased, crafted or otherwise substituted, equally or better than what it’s worth to use a key for. There is always the chance at getting the permanent stuff or the backpacks which are both worth a good amount of gold, but you might as well just trade your gems for gold, if your just going for the items to sell, since it might take you 100 bucks or more to get one.

The last bit about achievement points is actually in the works, but if i remember correctly it was part of a discussion about laurels and trading in those points for them.

The scenario would be. Germany player buys gems with cash then trades gems for keys, there is a direct monetary value there. Then said player proceeds to open chest, with the sole intention of a change for a skin. All of which would have to be provable in the Germany courts i imagine.

Vol.5241:

Rashka.7304:

At 864 rares (38 exo back) and 1608 exotics, no precursor yet. To quote Obi-Wan: “In my experience, there’s no such thing as luck”.

1608 exotics? ok buddy

Funny, even at the lowest priced exotic, you could have just bought the legendary for that kind of money.

The porting is pointless for the most part, not to mention the fees they have to pay on every sale… Why bother? It be one thing if it was already a console game going to PC/MAC…

I think simply put, you put in 4 sigil’d weapons and get back one. Put in 1 sigil’d weapon and 4 non, you still have the chance to get one back, it doesn’t have to increase your odds. I don’t see how it would actually affect the precursors at all since sigil or not you supposedly have a chance at one.

LinseyMurdock.4165:

As a quick note, the higher the level and rarity of the things you are throwing into the forge, the better your chances of getting a Legendary Precursor.

I guess it be nice to not toss 4 sigil’d weapons into the forge only to not get one back.

The only time it would get complicated would be a mix of sigil and rune’d armor, but the return on that is pretty random anyway.

I think if you already have the materials anyway, it wouldn’t be a bad way to boost your wallet. But , yeah trading skill points for G is pretty much not a good goal choice.

I met my wife online and got to know her through playing GW (we’ve been together going on 7 years). We still to this day play together in GW2. Good to hear we aren’t alone Congrats!

Ethros.1453:

No, you are still missing the point. Runes/sigils within the gear are irrelevant in the equation. The rarity of the item (white, blue, green, gold, orange) those are the only thing that matters in the process. You cannot however get an item better than exotic quality from the mystic forge.

That’s certainly fine that you say it’s irrelevant, I’m actually thinking it shouldn’t be. Which is why i brought it up.

Charismatic Harm.9683:

munkiman.3068:

Pandemoniac.4739:

munkiman.3068:

Since there is an exchange rate, you could say that gems have a value, which in turn translates to in game gold. Just because you gamble with chips which can be traded for money, doesn’t all the suddenly make it not gambling anymore. Not that i really care about the whole gambling argument, i’m just pointing that out.

I don’t particularly care about the gambling argument either, but I think the fact that the conversion is one way (gold can’t be converted to cash) would be an important legal distinction.

I don’t doubt that there have been plenty of legal discussions over this and I would imagine ANET isn’t to worried about it, but in this case a key cost $1.20 usd and you can clearly attach a monetary value on it. According to the Germany law argument that constitutes gambling there, even if all you are winning is pretty pixels. I’m no lawyer, German or otherwise, but if it is possible to get sued over it in Germany, maybe they should just pull the keys from the store there.

I think it’s the addition of the second layer of purchase, the fact that Gems do not have to be “purchased” with real money, Keys do not have to be purchased with Gems, and that Keys are not the only things in the Gem Store that can be purchased with Gems that gives them the legal grounds for them to fight a lawsuit regarding this, or any matter associated to it.

hmm that might fly here just fine, but i’m not so sure based on what our Germany friend posted. Basically if a Germany player bought 150 gems and then bought a key with those gems, and someone could prove it without a doubt… Not sure that’s worth being tied up in red tape over. But then again, this is all theoretical since i have no desire to research the gambling laws in Germany. Anyway, enough crazy, semi-off-topic talk.

Pandemoniac.4739:

munkiman.3068:

Since there is an exchange rate, you could say that gems have a value, which in turn translates to in game gold. Just because you gamble with chips which can be traded for money, doesn’t all the suddenly make it not gambling anymore. Not that i really care about the whole gambling argument, i’m just pointing that out.

I don’t particularly care about the gambling argument either, but I think the fact that the conversion is one way (gold can’t be converted to cash) would be an important legal distinction.

I don’t doubt that there have been plenty of legal discussions over this and I would imagine ANET isn’t to worried about it, but in this case a key cost $1.20 usd and you can clearly attach a monetary value on it. According to the Germany law argument that constitutes gambling there, even if all you are winning is pretty pixels. I’m no lawyer, German or otherwise, but if it is possible to get sued over it in Germany, maybe they should just pull the keys from the store there.