Guild Wars 2

Mind wrack needs a 20% nerf straight up no discussion, IF we’re keeping the current rate of clone generation. Then other builds need some buffing to bring variety to the meta.

Mesmers constantly drop targets, spawn clones and abuse culling. Shatter is a low skillcap effective build thats all reward and little risk. Good shatter mesmers are too strong in 1v1. Hoping to see a significant mind wrack nerf with the upcoming aoe changes so that all these mesmer scrubs start using their brains for once

After thoroughly testing cleric’s gear on my ranger I gotta say it just doesnt work. At least not without double ravens. Cleric double raven bm tank works in spvp because you still have 13k burst.

Sb builds come down to high precision skirmish build and bm bunker condition build which I use. Axe/torch/sb, birds, apoth gear, LR and entangle on lower cd has a huge tank, plenty of condi dps and utility. U can shift from long to short range.

Cleric usually goes along with full evasion vigor tanking which means gs/sword/dagger which means melee which means ure dead in wvw. The only prob is not enough burst damage unless u sport double ravens.

Power sb stopped being effective after the qz nerf.

absolutely nothing has changed yet. same specs dominate 6 months later, with more d/d eles facerolling everywhere. im hoping the aoe nerf is coming soon because it would make many, many other specs viable.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Well I am excited about the new map, however ranking and rating, not as excited only because I do not have a dedicated team.

I am more or so wishing that they add some build diversity if not that this patch then soon. I play a thief and personally I am getting really sick of either having one REALLY good build or a few meh builds. It’s pretty stupid imo. And I know its not just thieves that are like that.

build variety is a priority imo…multiple viable specs per prof make ANY map or game mode fun.

but yeah, im very concerned about the lack of 1v1 team ranked for solo players. im not touching the free tourney format with a stick. it just needs to die.

whats the point of this build? wouldnt a power necro with knight’s gear do way more dps and still have decent survivability?

nice, but lack of lich form in group play is epic fail imo. also, youre not aggressive enough with your life transfer. you should be going in there and hitting it on every CD.

glad to see power necro is strong cuz i plan on rolling one. condition bots are for kittens.

also was it just me or is there a concerning lackage of Sigil of Superior Fire?

they still havent gives us a reason to go back to the old maps. when is that coming?

unless there’s a non-paid 1v1 team ranked, ive no reason to do spvp. leaving free tourneys as they are currently would be an epic fail.

targeting through all the clones is indeed bad design, and often i lose track of my cursor. engie turrets can be just as bad.

it’s not nonsense OP. youre either new to the game, you havent tried other profs, or youre simply blind to the problem.

ive sunk about 100g into my ranger, getting just about every piece of exo armor. ive been playing my ranger since BWE1. i play paids on my bunker ranger and do well there.

but when i log onto another character in WvW, it’s like im playing a whole other game. every prof is on a whole other level in WvW compared to the ranger.

it also depends what your definition of “contribution” is. to me, being able to roll with a group of 5 people and crush a small zerg of 20-25 players is contributing to WvW. soloing camps, giving a boon here or there, or immobilizing people isnt really “contributing”. my guardian alone can dive into a zerg, down 4-5 players in one sequence, and get out safely. warriors can do the same. eles, necros and mesmers can do it from 1200.

the ranger does not have a place in my definition of contribution. hes a good duelist, and just below average in every other area. top ranger players in WvW will tell you the same, and im getting pretty sick and tired of the blind fanboyism. dont you want your prof to get better? just advocate for it.

they promised their priority is creating a greater variety of viable builds. im curious to see which way this patch goes. it should be the “big one”.

do you guys think the AOE nerf is coming this month? it will change everything.

point is, mesmer needs more viable builds. everyone is facerolling shatter because they can.

the only prof that has little to nothing to offer is the ranger. all others have very good contributions to large scale fights.

a few nice changes but nothing significant at all. rangers are bottom of the barrel in WvW, about the same in PVE (pretty good), and very good in tpvp with a few viable builds (traps and bunker).

if you use GS in WvW, you wont be able to get any personal kills, period. its damage output is paltry, #5 is extremely unreliable due to wind-up, #4 cripple roots you and misses most of the time. so offensively, GS is next to useless. ive been using it WvW for months.

GS role in WvW is for running, tanking, or chasing people down for your team to kill. if youre glass cannon LB, GS would be best choice as a second weapon for swoop and #4. you can do a bunker build for lulz (no real purpose) and GS would be essential. finally, GS with sword, SoH, muddy terrain/traps/entangle is the best chase in the game. you can also do trap/entagle bombs using swoop to get in or get out.

my suggestion is that GS gets a bleed for every first attack of its #1 chain. it would make a great condition/defense hybrid weapon.

DaisyRogers.6837:

Most opponents have no idea what a melee ranger is capable of.

honestly, not much. ive been playing a melee ranger in tpvp and wvw for months now. it works in spvp. it can work for tanking a few bad opponents in WvW (wont get u any kills). but in most situations you will get instagibbed the moment someone lands a lucky immobilize on you.

anything works in pve, if thats any consolation. sword/dagger is part of pvp builds and used for defense mostly. equipping that in pve would gimp your dps by a huge margin.

i guess SB with knight’s/berserker gear and piercing arrows might be ok. but id rather do LB for barrage, which does huge damage. the build with the most dps that ive tried out is something like 20/30/0/0/20 with LB/x, cats/birds and 3 traps.

what can ranger offer over a warrior? well, the build i described can do similar amounts of damage to a good warrior, but what the ranger really brings is utility. traps/barrage can CC, Healing Spring + SoN can give your group 700HPS if you have +healing gear, some pets give decent boons…thats about it.

so in short, SB/sword/dagger would be a bad choice for PVE.

concentration training doesnt work. pet boon duration doesnt change at all.

in wvw, i use 0/0/20/30/20 build with apothecary gear and altruism runes. with food, i have 65% to boon duration. i use stalker and blue moa for might and protection, sword/horn and shortbow (for proccing sun spirit). my utilites are Healing Spring, Stone Spirit, Signet of Renewal, Sun Spirit and SoN.

on myself i have perma protection, between stone, rolls and the moa. everyone around me has protection more than 50% of the time. horn with my boon duration gives perma fury and perma swiftness. stalker + Healing Spring gives 8 stacks of might.

i pop SoN when we’re pushing forward against a zerg. it can live for a long time. spirit + HS = about 700 HPS for your group (as long as they stack on you). walking spirits is absolutely essential. spirits just dont work without it.

i see the guardian as a defensive boonbot, while the ranger is a much more offensive boonbot.

on paper it sounds amazing. in practice, it’s decent but with many flaws. stone spirit will die quite a bit. you dont have many escapes so youre kinda restricted to very organized groups or zergs. for some idiotic reason, pets give boons on a very small radius, and you cant ask people to stack on your pet when theyre fighting or running away.

reason why eles and guardians are infinitely better support profs is because their boons and heals are fairly mobile and on a low CD. rangers do have some interesting things to offer, like long protection, perma fury and swiftness, and slightly better condition clearance on a longer CD.

stone spirit + 75% boon duration = almost perma protection for the group.
sun spirit is ridiculous with condition damage. 2k burning every 10 seconds, works best with SB
the other two spirits i find next to useless. i mean perma swiftness in combat is ok but most people have swiftness up all the time. signet of renewal for my third utility.

im an experienced ranger player in both tpvp and pve. i also feel lost in wvw, and ive made multiple posts about it. the ranger (and probably the engineer as well) contribute very little to the WvW environment. dueling or even skirmishing is not satisfying to me.

rifle warriors laugh at our 1200 damage, mesmers and thieves laugh at our dueling capabilities, eles and guards laugh at our support capabilities, necros laugh at our condition builds…

why dont you try a spirit build? with boon duration runes, you can give your group a lot of protection. and Spirit of Nature and Healing Spring can help you win a push against a zerg.

Jazenn.7526:

Jarul.8635:

Swoop + Entangle / Mud, that’s the role of a GS ranger (as I see it).

Yep I run these skills. Clerics gear. Pet does most of my damage as I catch opponents with immo/chill/stun/cripple.

cleric’s gear is overall a terrible idea on the ranger. it only works in spvp where you can access to double raven (unless you have white raven in WvW as well, which case it’s cool).

i run something similar with gs/sword/torch, but i use apothecary gear. u can actually kill stuff this way.

that being said, sword/gs with reduced cooldowns and SoH is the fastest thing in the game.

barrage and piercing arrows have hit way more than five for me.

regardless of balance, most of us will agree that shatter mesmers are not fun to play against. so change them.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Biggest thing to take away – the format is moving from 8 teams to 2 teams. Other changes will also be coming. Watch for the blog.

can you also completely take 8v8 out of spvp, maybe just allow it in custom arenas?

pve beastmaster synergizes much better with conditions. you dont really need to put points into traps, just go all the way into wilderness. maybe 10 into skirm for pet crit damage. heal on crit usually doesnt make a difference, but you may choose to get it if you dont want to slot signet of wild.

natural healing + heal on crit OR SoW does the job in most situations. but having all 3 is useless in situations that instagib the pet.

just a warning though. you gotta make sure youre doing enough damage on your own and helping your team in other ways because your pet will often be dead in dungeons, regardless of your skill.

daggers and short swords stab, arrows pierce, hammers/maces crush, long swords and axes maim and lacerate. techincally, it all causes bleeding in some way, but in games it likely just means exteriorly, meaning lacerations and such.

one, single change would make GS an awesome and BALANCED weapon. for those wanting to try, a full berserker + GS with pets and quickness does very decent direct aoe damage. but GS is reduced to a mere escape weapon for condi builds (if that)

add 1 short bleed per 1st attack of GS #1 skill. why this works:

- thematically, it makes sense that a large weapon that’s slashed around cuts and bleeds targets in its way
- synergy with condition specs. stacking 3-4 bleeds with #1, along with maul would give about 7 stacks of bleeds, which is very reasonable. this is enough to support other bleed combos such as x/dagger, axe/X, and SB.
- currently, the only viable build in spvp that includes the GS is a bunker build, and GS is used almost solely for its defensive utilities. in wvw, the only use for GS is as an escape tool on long range SB or LB builds. this small change would make GS a strong choice for condition builds as well, thus greatly expanding variety and not upsetting balance.

problems? the only situation in which this would be OP is for trap/entangle condition bombs on tightly packed targets. solution: simply make the bleed a shorter duration so the user is forced to stay on the GS and spam #1 if he wants to keep up bleeds via GS. GS would not be the best bleed stacking weapon.

just to bring us back on topic, no one here is saying that rangers cant duel or get kills or that they arent fun. OP states that every other prof wipes the floor with the ranger in terms of WvW contribution/role (support, anti-zerg capabilities, burst, long range dps, etc.). other profs and respective specs are feared in the hands of good players. in the hands of amazing players, rangers are average or subpar in most WvW situations.

arrownin.3128:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLyQyHSD9k

Spirits aren’t terrible. I’m not even a good Ranger PvPer, and I found that they are AMAZING support for your team… don’t be mean.

sorry, i fail to see what this demonstrates. except for the part where you run around with a small zerg with SoN out.

d/d eles cant really touch bunker rangers. u can dodge every burst chain, and with steady bleeds/burning and pet damage u will eventually win.

whats the point of this thread? WoW at least has/had a much more active competitive scene. GW2 isnt even close yet.

Chopps.5047:

One of my favorite builds is runing spirits in WvW with rune of altruism, warhorn, stalker, and red moa. What’s wrong with that build? Boon duration in nature magic is nice because in a zerg you get like 1 minute of speed from people around you, don’t even have to slot run speed.

Plus, it’s awesome running around with a bunch of pets. Slot 2x health, aoe on death, and run with you. The aoe on death punishes people for killing them. Oh, and be sure to use the secondary on the spirits. I can run away from 20 people with a frost trap, stone spirit, frost spirit, and muddy fall.

Plus…dolphins underwater!

The issues with spirits don’t make them impossible to use, they just limit their utilities. The problems are not this bad and the devs are well aware of the existing problems.

thats creative, good for you. but think critically…why would you run that setup? you cant give anyone heals, you can do perma fury for your group with horn + red moa alone. the 5 stacks of might are nice, but dont even compare to 20 stacks that a guard/ele can give with their boon duration setups.

worst of all, youre giving up slots that you could be using for traps (which can be aimed and placed to actually slow down a zerg).

most of us found the last spirit “buff” to be more of an insult, and we’re a little worried that devs arent taking the spirit fix seriously. like a broken record i will once again state what the problem is:

- the boons themselves are not worth slotting spirits for. little bit of protection, burning and swiftness is vastly outweighed by traps, signets and survival skills. i will never slot a spirit for these boons, which are on a 10s CD anyway. i think protection lasts about 3s and it’s still RNG.

- RNG mechanics are the bane of all MMO’s and games and need to be kept to a minimum. supporting your team needs to be an on-demand mechanic, like what the ele and guardian can do. but obviously not to the same extent if spirit actives remain.

- spirit actives cast too slowly. you cant react to burst, trap someone or burst someone down in a skill-based game when important skills take 2 seconds to cast.

- even if spirits were on-demand, with better boons and instant actives, they would need about 12k HP, if not more.

so far we got:

- 25% HP increase (when spirits get one-two shotted anyway)
- +15% to RNG, which doesnt make any difference at all because it’s still RNG in the same ballpark, and the internal CD sucks, and the boons suck. so, zilch difference

suggestions:

- each spirit needs to give two boons
- actives need to be near-instant (maybe 0.5s)
- in current aoe-heavy meta, double or triple the HP

this is assuming there isnt a spirit revamp underway. please stop ignoring this profession, a third of it is not utilized. u know who u are =P and please start communicating with us to prevent the same threads popping up every day/week. give us some indication youre hearing us. you cant keep ignoring these threads and issues because they will always come up from different players until the problem is dealt with or until you communicate that youre working on some fix.

i understand the philosophy is to make small changes, but please…you dont have to CRAWL around every single major problem. spirits are SO BROKEN that a more ballsy change wouldnt hurt, at least try buffing the HP by 100% and see what happens.

yea i dont actually use a condition build in tpvp. im talking about wvw. given the way the gear is setup in pve, you just do way more damage going tanky conditions. and most people dont have access to double raven.

there are different builds that make traps look kinda bad. any bunker-themed ranger spec can crush trap rangers and most other specs 1v1, usually 0/0/30/10/30. then you can go cleric’s or shaman’s. cleric’s for double raven, shaman’s for bleed stacking.

iCryptik.1496:

Ways rangers can contribute.
1. Easily flips sentry’s/camp’s solo.

every prof can do it faster, except for thief maybe. no joke.

2. Looking for mesmers that are setting up a portal bomb and knocking them back/CC.
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lolwut?

iCryptik.1496:

3. Bursting high priority targets.

uh, thats what thieves and warriors do. rangers have the worst burst in the game, not to mention it’s pet-dependent

iCryptik.1496:

4. Taking out enemy siege with guard.

guard is an exploit. regardless, nobody willl LET YOU do that. not sure what servers u play, but ive yet to see someone allow me to destroy a siege without melting the pet.

iCryptik.1496:

5. Group AOE heal, conditional removal, and a water combo field.

the funny thing is, the spammable and traited Virtue of Resolve does this way better. and you dont even have to stack on the guardian for that, like you do on the ranger for the HS. also, direct 2k+ heal is much more important than the silly regen HS gives.

iCryptik.1496:

6. Generally annoying the other zerg with a pet bear chomping on someone’s ankle.

lolwut

iCryptik.1496:

To make a thread stating rangers contribute absolutely nothing in WvW is asinine.

they contribute nothing because, technically, youre gimping your server by not rolling the other profs. if you wanna get technical.

Saintly.8062:

I admittedly don’t play at a very high tier, so please correct me if I am totally off base here…but how would it not be significant to have small teams controlling/defending supply routes, as an example?

no worries! im talking about a higher level of play where profs need to not just be fun or “okay” but also make a demonstrable difference in zergy encounters. in these situations you need strong abilities, utilities and elites that can swing the fight in your side’s favour. ranger does not offer this.

nope, the consensus is pretty much that rangers, necros and engies are bottom of the barrel in wvw. the latter two offer significantly more to wvw scenarios, mostly anti-zerg tactics.

2 leap finishers on gs/sword/x builds, u can leap over your healing spring 3 times healing for 6k if youre properly specced. i also like to run frost trap on my tanky builds for the armor.

but that doesnt explain why they designed the warrior’s rifle to do just what you described.

jkctmc.8754:

There is a much faster way to apply bleeds. <grins>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iw7azGH_-E

half of those are the cat’s bleeds, and no one will stand still for you in pvp. not sure if youre joking.

i actually run a tanky bleed stacking build in spvp. SB/axe/dagger/cats with improved condi damage. that would be the fastest way to apply bleeds. if you know what youre doing, you should never be wasting utility slot on QZ.

LB feels off mostly because it misses moving targets past 900 range. LB should be a sniper weapon, with a slow fire rate but hitting reliably for more. LB projectile speed needs another 30% increase, and then we might be getting somewhere. it’s the worst weapon in the game.

SoH is a waste of a utlity slot. it make sense for a prof like the thief who needs to get to a place quickly, dump all their burst, down/stomp someone and get out quickly. ranger has no use for the increased move speed. it badly needs other utilities to do damage or survive.

other signets havent been touched, and other than sic’em, shouts havent really be touched either. still waiting for things that will surprise me and make this prof interesting Jon. you made it sound like you were working on a serious project there, instead you gave us crumbs, twice now. youve done nothing to boost the ranger in the meta or in wvw. same 1 or 2 builds are being utilized before and after your patches.

achensherd.2735:

We’re the jacks of all trades and the masters of none.

this is actually another misconception that i’ll use as an example if you dont mind. rangers arent actually the jacks of support. rangers cant really support the team in any significant manner, likely because spirits HAVE BEEN BROKEN SINCE RELEASE.

secondly, no one defined the ranger as a jack of all trades. people just say that to make themselves feel a little better. every prof should be able to do everything well, and specialize in something that others cant do as well (stealth, mobility, burst, etc). ranger lacks this, utterly. there is absolutely nothing the ranger can do as good or better compared to another prof. nada.

did you just pick up the game yesterday or…?

- pets cant hit much because theyre easily juked, even without swiftness up. specializing in pet damage and durability does nothin for u there bud. my jag lands about half of his stealth + QZ + Sic Em combo on a moving target, if the target sucks and cant dodge roll. if dodge roll twice, you pretty much nullify pet burst. not to mention that if you have QZ and sic em slotted, youre seriously gimping yourself.

- pets dont really count as contribution. no one is dumb enough to ignore them and a few aoe’s will melt any pet, regardless of spec

- ranger has access to invulnerability, stability and quickness. okay, so you gonna pop all three to down one person? what kind of an argument is that? you could just get a thief to do it unseen, or an ele to mist form stomp untouched. the most important stomp is a stability stomp, which can be spammed by warriors and guardians. you plan on popping your elite every time? i didnt say ranger was the worst stomper, but it’s the second worst after the necro.

- spirits provide one boon every 10 seconds, each lasting a few seconds. BY RNG NOT ON DEMAND. assuming that your spirits are somehow ALIVE, youre getting swiftness, burning and protection once in a while. if youre in the range to make use of protection, then your spirit is likely dead. swiftness is pretty useless, and so is burning. not to mention youre WASTING UTILITY SLOTS. therefore speccing for spirit only gimps you and everyone around you

- yes small teams exist sometimes, but unfortunately they dont define WvW even a little bit. smaller engagements are generally a huge waste of time (because youre not really putting any points on the board or doing anything significant) and just for fun. small organized teams can wipe out entire zergs, but believe me brother, they dont use rangers =P

- rangers dont provide healing to anyone in an efficient manner. you can huddle by SoN every 4 minutes i guess, lol. guards and eles can heal their group for 6k+ in a matter of seconds on a short CD. cripple meh, vigor meh, rest meh meh meh. try: feedback, timewarp, multiple water fields, shadow refuge, virtue of resolve, empower, shouts that give 2 boons at a time on a low CD, clear conditions and heal you, permachill or multi-fear bombs by necro, the list goes on. you obviously cant differentiate between which types of support make a demonstrable difference, and which dont. the only type of support by the ranger that makes a demonstrable difference is traps, which can ever so slightly slow down advancing zergs. i would slot SoN if its rez wasnt bugged, if it was on a 3 minute cooldown, and if it followed me by default.

Forzani.2584:

I find it sorta funny how much people whine about a computer game. People come on these forums all pumped about their Rangers and gasp say they are having fun ..what a concept.
Then the whiners speak up and say wtf you talking about ? Rangers are gimped. You people that say you are having fun playing the class are doing a disservice to Rangers and preventing them from getting fixed.

If some of you are that miserable playing a Ranger, why keep playing it ? Change to another class, quit the game or just keep playing your Ranger. Suggestions are good but the whinning is tiresome. If you insist on being all emo and negative at least keep it to yourself and stop trying to drag everyone else down to your pity party.

Obviously things could be tightened up with the class. Fairly new game kids. Give it a little time.

a lot of whiners are passionate about their class because they love the game, and are trying to guide the devs toward the needed changes. also, many “whiners” are better than you with the prof and have been playing the prof since BWE1, and have basically mastered what there is to master.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Trap build ranger with Flame Trap, Frost Trap, Signet of the Hunt, Healing Spring, and Entangle, run with group/zerg. You provide the combo fields and long range support, the group/zerg pulls off the combos.

Congratulations, you contributed something to WvW.
/thread

funny enough, i specialized in this build. it’s garbage. with the aoe spam goin on now, people get free of entangle in under a second.

/continue thread

PVT/knight’s/berserker gear is ok, but you wont have enough sustain to fight a good mesmer, thief, or ele. two will ruin your world.

i rolled cleric’s with raven and owl, using my tpvp bunker setup. as i mentioned, u can tank 10 scrubs, but you cant really kill anything. with two ravens, the build would rock pretty hard. but that extra 4k burst is necessary.

this leaves us with a tanky BM condition build, which is great cuz u can tank a few people while doing decent damage

Serraphin Storm.2369:

No profession out ranges a rangers pet. Ranger have one of the fasters stomps.

pets cant hit much. quickness stomp isnt bad, but you also dont have any stability unless youre specifically using RaO to stomp someone. fast stomps and long range pets contribute nothing. stability, stealth and invulnerability stomps (guard/warrior, thief, ele/mesmer, respectively) are much more powerful.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Pet are able to take out siege equiopement like no other class via pets.

explain. whenever i send a pet onto a wall, it gets melted in seconds. u living in a fantasy where everyone ignores your squishy pet?

Serraphin Storm.2369:

For tower defend spirits are great.

explain. im not sure what you mean. spirits dont contribute to defense in any way.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

I also want to add that zerging is not the best use of man power in wvw. A good thief can zerg surf and virtually shutdown a zergs momentum. With that said a good ranger can shut down a zerg surfing thief.

zerging is the way of WvW. 15, 20, 30 people it’s a zerg and it’s how people roll. rangers cant assist in zerg extermination like other profs can. rangers cant really shut a thief down, maybe a bad one. this is mostly due to culling.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Ranger can do support very well.

care to give some examples? the only way rangers can support is by using traps to to cripple and chill. it hardly makes a diff. rangers have no other viable ways of supporting a group.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Ranger are not one dimensional they can do much of what the OP said about the other class. I love taking camp solo I dont know if other classes do it better. 5 ranger taking 5 different camps at the same time is alot better use of manpower than one team of 5 capping camps.

ok, at this point i think youre just really new at the game. taking a camp solo is not really an achievement of any kind. my guardian can do it in about 60 seconds. and im not saying rangers are one-dimensional. im saying they cant make a visible difference in zerg warfare, like most other profs. im also saying half of the ranger profession is broken.

ahhh very nice. i thought it was a ranger build for a sec, was ready to roflcopter out of the thread. love warrior LB. high skillcap, greatly underrated, very fun to play and makes a difference.

slingblade.1437:

I’m not saying they’re the best or anything, but to say they contribute zilch is just not accurate.

my reasoning for saying this: it’s zilch because it can be replaced by something that is way, way better. i basically summarized the builds that rule WvW. while ranger is a decent duelist, mesmers, eles and thieves are on a whole other level because they can do way more burst and drop aggro on demand.

id be ok with the ranger being as is, if we could actually bring some decent support for our team. this is the perfect opportunity to actually fix spirits so that we can play support, like the ele and guardian can. SoN, while powerful in spvp, is useless in large open world engagements. not to mention its long CD. the rest of the spirits arent even worth slotting.

in conclusion, not only is the ranger mediocre at what it does best (skirmishing), but its missing an entire ROLE (support).

Omega.1473:

There are problems, but we do bring 1500 range which no other class has and we bring Guard + Jaguar/Raven which is a nightmarish combo that can down enemies who are not expecting it. Combine those two traits and we can pick apart or scare away sieging groups pretty decently from on top of a wall.

ok, i tried it all. the LB cant hit a moving target past 900, thats a fact. so 1500 range is only useful for barrage i guess, but even then it’s better to just pick up the trap trait and spam traps to keep the zerg away.

ive also run a maxed out jaguar build with sic’em, QZ and guard. it’s great fun dropping a clothy from a distance with my stealthed jaguar. but honestly, these are very bad players, and all you have to do to avoid the pet burst is dodge or zig zag. bottom line, it’s a gimmicky build that has zero effect on a zerg