As if SoR needed help to smash BG.
The problem with thinking like this is if you win you will be at BG’s mercy on week 7 since they will be in a position to determine who wins the league. Mock BG all you want, but there’s a very strong chance it could cost you.
Match will be decided in week 6 actually, JQ vs SOR vs TC.
That’s assuming people even care about the first prize dolyak finisher, heh.
Am sure the achievement hounds on each server would love it but the seasoned longtime commanders and guilds of JQ / BG / SOR who showed up week after week, day after day for WvW long before any sort of carrots were in play could care less bro.
You keep showing up and essentially agreeing with me without even realizing it. The hardcore WVW players only want a good fight, we’ve established that. Week 7 is more important, if SoR and JQ go undefeated until week 6 and assuming SoR wins Week 6 then BG will be in a position to either let SoR win the league or force them into 3rd for the week and cause them to tie with JQ. If SoR loses week 6 then BG still gets to decide who wins overall in week 7, only difference is that there won’t be a tie. If BG loses every match to SoR, but beats JQ then they can tie for first if they win week 7.
Cool, enjoy your gold dolyak, bro.
As if SoR needed help to smash BG.
The problem with thinking like this is if you win you will be at BG’s mercy on week 7 since they will be in a position to determine who wins the league. Mock BG all you want, but there’s a very strong chance it could cost you.
Match will be decided in week 6 actually, JQ vs SOR vs TC.
That’s assuming people even care about the first prize dolyak finisher, heh.
Am sure the achievement hounds on each server would love it but the seasoned longtime commanders and guilds of JQ / BG / SOR who showed up week after week, day after day for WvW long before any sort of carrots were in play could care less bro.
TC so close to BG, keep it up TC…… i know you guys can get 2nd place…….. Don’t forget all the guilds BG lured away with gold from you…..
WoW SoR rlly going there? Ok what guilds are you talking about? BTW your 2vs1 tactic didnt go unnoticed. Get TC to push BG more with no chance to win the matchup, while you push BG at the same time and try to get some extra points for SoR?
Sadly 2vs1 will never work with TC in the mix (no offence TC) but they’re not JQ and dont have the numbers to successfully 2vs1 all week. Can’t see TC falling for your tactic SoR, But you carry on trying to get TC on your side SoR while you take their stuff LOL
We don’t need TC on our side to demolish you. It hasnt even been 24 hours since reset and youre 6,000 points down already.
It’s quite remarkable to see what happens when papa JQ isnt holding your hand against us. All BG is good for is their naievety in thinking that they can win this thing, when all along the reason they won last matchup is due to JQ realizing we’re the bigger threat than you.
pats on head
clam down bro… some of us were at bar celebrating victory, chilling , relaxing etc…
cant sit in front of computer 2 weeks straight …
They feel they have something to prove this week, it’s hard for some of them to get over a defeat. All the animosity is unnecessary and counterproductive, the more we hate each other the easier it will be for JQ in week 7.
Can’t blame them. BG stabbed SoR in the back last week while working against JQ. Now BG is getting a taste of their own medicine with TC and SoR working together.
Doubt it. TC don’t really play that way.
Skeletal Lama is a JQ troll, just ignore him.
They did nothing i promise you, there are less people in WvW because most of the PvE players have their achievements finished.
Ya, I think you’re wrong. For the past year every time we went into WvW the “server” we were on if you scrolled over a guildie or party member was Anvil Rock. Today it was Borlis Pass. Tier 1 in the past has always experienced server lag even when WvW was losing interest a couple months back especially in EBG. Today things were not just noticeably better they EXTRAORDINARILY better. Also maps were queued all night which throws out your theory of less people.
Also noticed “Anet” tagged characters following zergs and large battles around. Am sure they are there to log the encounters and going over the stress numbers in their followup meetings.
These forums amaze me because of the general ignorance of the people that post sometimes I think it’s willful but can’t really tell alot of time.
I’m sure the wow forums has it’s own problems there are quite a few ppl lobbying for their class and against others on here as well except they don’t do it very well or maybe this place is just so barren so no one really cares.
Forum posters are but the vocal minority, nothing more nothing less….add to the fact these games are based off server vs server so it’s no secret a bit of trash talk is gonna happen for all sides which adds to the entertainment value.
but ya know if you don’t like what I’m saying just take it with a grain of salt don’t mean to ruffle feathers but people should know what is actually happening
My time in World of Warcraft hardened me to the nuances of online forums and the myriad of characters that post there. It’s not for everyone.
If you think these forums are bad, go take a look at WoW forums. One would think after 8++ years in existence of balancing the game the rants would die down. In fact a new player who is thinking about playing WoW for the first time whom takes a quick visit to their forums may come out of it feeling like it’s the worst online game ever and not a single soul plays it.
I am on Blackgate epic rant snipped
Based on the above, you are clearly not enjoying yourself in a video game. Might I suggest you simply log off for a bit, least to WvW and simply take a break?
Or it’s cause you’re just not in the big 3 match anymore.
Trading JQ for TC probably doesn’t make a huge difference population-wise at this point on reset night. I’d be willing to bet TC can fill all 4 maps for the first few hours at least.
If reset night has better lag than the other nights had they probably fixed something.
Anet programmer guy did state small incremental changes but yea, sounds like they are on the right track.
Rejoice!
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Official-state-of-skill-lag-and-server-optimizations
Notable quotes……
We’ll be going through almost every skill in the game over the coming months and optimizing them one-by-one. This in itself will make an extremely large difference, that when that patch note comes through, expect a very different WvW experience.
•What exactly do these server-side optimizations do? •As pointed out above, they will mostly be noticeable with latency in skill execution in heavy battles. I mentioned WvW being a benefactor because that has one of the most consistently dense battles going on. That’s not to say that this won’t be noticeable in other parts of the game; it most definitely will.
•Though server CPU usage is the biggest factor here, there are other optimizations as part of the changes going on. Bandwidth is another thing that plagues players with slower internet connections. That is something that we’re actively rolling out changes for, with the next set of changes coming at the end of October.
•Removes the bottleneck in almost all of the game systems. Most of what goes on in the game is processed on the server, including combat, skills and movement. When this bottleneck is relieved, the changes will pretty much speak for themselves. A common example goes back to skill usage where in heavy battles, you press and skill key, but that skill never fires or your auto-attack skill fires instead.
So what am I working on besides ensuring player skills are efficient? Well with our two week release cadence, I work along-side our shiny new Technical Design team and Living World teams to ensure their content is efficient. I’m also constantly exploring other ways to improve the game, which led me to something that I literally just finished wrapping up today. This change will go directly into testing early next week, which will then help us determine how significant it is and when we are comfortable enough to push it to the Live game. I’m really optimistic about this change in particular; seeing massive drops in server load .
And this is why it’s very important for Sanctum of Rall and Blackgate for Jade Quarry to come 3rd if we want any chance.
I’m glad to see how little faith SoR and BG have in their own servers =) so what you’re basically saying, is that because JQ is stronger than both of you, that your ONLY chance to win this season is to 2v1 JQ every chance you get
Nope. People are saying because of the SCHEDULE given to us by on high, the only way to make all 7 weeks still mean something in terms of competition is to not allow JQ to score well in a SoR-BG-JQ matchup. Any other result will give JQ an easy win for the entire season one.
This ^^
And this is why it’s very important for Sanctum of Rall and Blackgate for Jade Quarry to come 3rd if we want any chance.
I’m glad to see how little faith SoR and BG have in their own servers =) so what you’re basically saying, is that because JQ is stronger than both of you, that your ONLY chance to win this season is to 2v1 JQ every chance you get? I’ll take that as a compliment, though a server having to openly try to force a 2v1 on the forums kinda shows you how weak they are don’t you think? Do you honestly believe that BG or SoR deserve to call themselves the “top” server if they continuously rely on each other to try to keep JQ in third? Even after an entire week of this failed logic JQ is still right on your heels. Kinda shows you who the true number 1 server is doesn’kitten
JQ has the EZ mode league schedule, no one can deny this and in fact long term JQ players would agree as well. If you don’t see that by now, you must be a new transfer to T1 in which case, welcome to Tier 1 bro!
So that now that BG and SOR have shown that they have zero honor or sportsmanship what’s first place really mean? GG E-Games lol right. I was fine with the 2-1 at start because it was pretty balanced overall after the weekend, this is certainly a completely different thing. Either way as the only non transfer server to be in T1 since start we wont give up.
Relax. Your offshift non NA timezones are still at work/school getting ready for their prime time just as you are ready to goto sleep. The ppt will reverse itself soon enough.
And this is why it’s very important for Sanctum of Rall and Blackgate for Jade Quarry to come 3rd if we want any chance.
Pssst, Blackgate oceanic & sea are oblivious to this chart and the long term strategy for leagues.
That said, every commander is gonna do their own thing as the posters here while vocal will always represent the minority when it comes to influencing the masses in a 24/7 battle.
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This was such a great matchup until SoR gave up.
Play to win SoR, don’t play for second. This is a disgrace.
This JQ guy is desperate for the finisher prize…. love it!
SoR is leaking PPT
There was some guy with a commander tag on auto run in a corner wall of EB soaking up queues for a good half hour earlier. Guaranteed he’ll transfer off if SOR finishes 3rd this week which is always a good thing.
JQ… can you get Agg off SoS and back to JQ? That 35 man “skill” group they run is really annoying…
Sorry we don’t want them anymore.
A poster from another thread described AGG perfectly.
AGG = Glory chasers
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EU PvDoor guild complaining about being outnumbered.
So says the guy who has already been on SOR, JQ, and now BG all in the past 2 months as it’s obvious those who transfer this many times amongst the 3 in this short a span is looking for a server with the least amount of resistance and PvDoor capabilities.
IF BG don’t win leagues where will you transfer next? Tarnished Coast?
Who in the world is commanding jq on ebg? Like kitten are you doing man, make up your mind.
LOL that must have been Molasses Muscles. hahaha he’s…an ok guy. Bet he’s a new commander or something. I dunno…
I remember MM when he was on SOR. He definitely preferred tagging his Commander icon on EB map over all else so it must have been and still is his favorite. Don’t know if he changed or not, but he rarely if ever spoke on TS so the rallians that chose to follow him just chased him around and did random stuff.
endless commander rant snipped.
Roll one and show those how it’s done? These sort of rants remind me of my days in WoW BG randoms when players there barked about not having healers, etc. Stop griping about others play and roll one yourself………..
Here is a funny commander rant, starts at the 1 minute mark
Choo, come out more often
SG had a blast fighting you in open field
Choo plays right now? I see a grand total of 3 Choo tags on teamspeak.
Or was this just a ……..
Why do the EU SoR guilds talk so much trash in this thread ? Only amateurs need to belittle and disrespect their opponents. Act like you have been there before or better yet just show a little class.
Who’s talking trash? oh yeah were being provoked by moaning individuals with “EU pve door this EU stacked that”. Those players don’t even likely play during EU if they did they would understand no one is pve dooring anyone during EU in this round.
I ask the same to you what gives a group of players the right to belittle and disrespect their opponents over players from other nationality? Not all servers treat other player from different time zones as second class citizens. no one moans about Asians and they too are not on the same continent as you.
I give respect to those fighting us in the bl’s without question and give credit when it’s due not to those who come onto a forum to QQ about how kitten it is that were playing on an NA server.
Maybe you should have gone to BG …………………..
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Skill lag on the most recent BGBL garrison fight involving all 3 servers let me run through around 30 SoR players and around 40 JQ players without even getting hit.
All 3 servers are definitely getting lag. As soon as one moved off and the skill lag went away though, we stomped the other
Yep, was in that battle too, lots of fun. I misclick leaped, got separated from the commander and found myself alone in the middle of 15 BG stacked to the side with sporadic JQ and not one of em targeted me, am sure their frames per second grinded to a halt during that mess, lol. While everyone is gonna deal with a couple second skill lag, my hardware at least allows me to keep moving in times of need, as I watch many of them literally frozen solid like statues, hah.
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OP, Computer specs please starting with your cpu.
This was recorded 1 hour ago in EB. JQ helping BG taking SoR’s keep.
http://www.twitch.tv/risenfall/c/3123151
If anyone in NA time (especially SoR/BG) wants to collaborate on streaming let me know or PM me in game. It would be fun to see what happened on the other side.
I’m new to streaming and plan to do it more often. I ran this on my 13" macbook pro so I limited the resolution/quality to save on fps :-(
Any reason JQ decided to hit SoR instead of BG (who is in first)?
When a forum commander comes and states he targets <insert random server> 70-90pct of the time, well, expect a little bit of payback.
Besides, the illusion of 2v1 will cycle 24/7 regardless of who posts what when a matchup consists of 1v1v1
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I thought SoR was only in it for the fights?
I thought BG only wanted fair fights?
Perceived easy time for JQ and both SoR and BG give up what they constantly try to make everyone believe on the forums.
Cheers
so you mean BG and SOR shall give up fighting and give JQ their throne of first Season?
wow, you really think you are something, eh?Pretty sure both BG and SoR were saying JQ was going to win before it even started. They already gave up before it started.
So you’re saying we should let JQ win without trying to stop if we think JQ is going to win, right? Yes or No, is that difficult to answer?
Don’t mind those guys, believe they are just frustrated they can’t start their door karma train on a Monday like they were able to do last week. They burned themselves out.
It’s just sad that it’s come down to this because of how the schedule turned out.
Should not have burned yourselves out karma training doors last week man.
No disrespect to MERC on JQ or Tarkus by saying this, but its a fact that keeping the pressure on them non stop doesnt allow then to move around maps and obliterate SOR or BG keeps. .
Pressure or not, with the popularity of leagues (queues) it’s near impossible to move maps on a dime if/when <insert commander + his forces> feels like it anyways.
There’s no question as to whether or not BG and SoR are working together against JQ, we can take it as a compliment though.
Sucks when you can’t pvdoor to victory like you been doin the last few weeks, eh?
SoR or JQ should never complain about anything. You have such stacked numbers during anything but NA timezone you guys should be ashamed of even thinking of complaining.
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This is not just with zergs though if you would all listen to what is being said. This is flat out all of the map. It happens in small 1v1 or 2v2 fights too. The game physically cannot be played as is. Period.
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Agreed, don’t need to have players around.
Sometimes I feel skill lag soon as I zone in. Other day I was escorting a dolyak and even they were lagging with the 2 second freezes inbetween their slow walks to their destination.
@Icarus
If this game were 15 bucks a month, many would quit in droves due to the lag. Lag is the #1 killer of online games.
That said OP, roll a staff guardian and spam #1 key, one of the few classes that can deal with it, haha.
From my experience, BG and SoR ALWAYS double team JQ.
If JQ wins it’s because of their use of strategy, it’s because of dedication and proper gameplay.
Good one Slim!
sor please stop running from fights while running a map blob <3
tell me something new that bg doesnt do..
He is now on JQ.
LOL! Stealth.8150 abandoned ship fast!!
Keep in mind that calls by only one server to try and institute a 2v1 on another usually backfires in that it kitten es off the people targeted and also makes the second party to want to spite you. We’ll try and show respect if you do – keep the vitriol to the minimum please.
Dont worry, SoR is a much better fight so we will keep fighting each other and leave you guys to your stacked queues and your pvdoor while we have some fun.
I find it funny you talk about our stacked queue’s yet Everyone has queue’s right now. Every single Tier 1 server is stacked compared to the rest in Gold League.
our ques are 5 minute max. how about yours?
I would call BS on that but it’s really not worth the effort. I mean every server claims they don’t have queue’s but the simple sizes of the groups we have been fighting. Don’t discredit our intelligence please. To answer your question it varies our queue’s are buggy I’ve had guildies get in instantly and then some wait hours. It also depends what guild is on what map for us as some guilds such kitten and SG and HzH have larger pug/guild crews that thus lengthen queues.
He said we have 5 minute queues. Which is quite true depending on the timezone. For instance, right now we have a 5 minute queue on two borderlands, no queue (and outmanned buff) on one borderland and a 30 minute queue on EB (which was about an hour during early Oceanic but dropped off during late oceanic/sea). Although keep in mind Anet have actually admitted the queue system is broken.
Your home BL musta been outmanned you guys owned your garrison less than an hour all of OCX/SEA timezone
and my assessment was… we had alot of PvErs trying to get their achievements and not help at all.
Can’t even use the PvE excuse as every server is dealing with that. In fact when I hear someone on chat complaining about same after a fight that goes wrong, I feel like slapping em through my monitor, haha.
none of u just noticed how is it impossible to play thief in wvw since league start cause of insane lag? i cant land a cnd or avoid to be melted cause of healing skill/stubreak delay (or just wont work at all).
all i can see is that bunker classes/spec have a much easier life…
i really cant play thief anymore in wvw.. lag just kills me in seconds… on my warrior on the other hand seems much easier and that sucks since i love thief playstyle
This ^^
Thieves rely so much on timing (getting in position for backstabs or whatnot) any sort of skill lag becomes a deal breaker with that class.
The amount of lag I’ve experienced all weekend has been far worst than any other time in Guild Wars 2. My question is, how is it we’ve had these fights before and haven’t had this much lag? I’m roaming right now. Not even CLOSE to the zerg fights, and it’s taking me 20 seconds to cast my heal fighting 1v1.
Other than the massive queues and lag, this season 1 has been incredible so far.
The queues were expected on the first weekend announcement of leagues and am sure will die down once the “newness” wears off for the pve majority crowd.
Just a hour ago I had insta queue to JQ BL so obviously it wasn’t stacked with player activity. Saw a Dolyak and escorted it to Bay…let’s just say you know it’s bad when even the Dolyak was lagging with nothing around it, he literally had 2 second pauses inbetween his slow trot towards its destination.
MMO Game performance > All
You know it’s bad when even the Dolyak’s have a pause to their gait as they trot up to their destination.
Due to the favourable draw that was handed to JQ, I propose that we keep them in 3rd place whenever possible, to try and make the league closer and more interesting
Once the weekdays start, their stacked SEA will kick in
SoR is either lacking the common sense to do so or is blinded by hatred.
We don’t because our past experiences with 2v1ing JQ always results in BG golem rushing our T3 keep while we’re inside JQ’s keep. Happened twice today in BG BL, that’s why we 2v1’d BG garri with JQ(wasn’t a golem rush, but equally annoying).
If you are on a BG borderland you helping to attack us so why should we not take our things back?? The simple fact is that if SoR want’s to win then JQ needs to hit last place at least 1 time and 2 times if possible.
We have no choice, but to respond to you attacking our borderland with force. Same as you would do to us.
I can see where you are coming from. That may have been a bad example, however I still would rather 2v1 with JQ, simply because our past experiences 2v1ing with BG has always ended badly.
But then you will take second place. BG is the kingmaker more then any thing because of our weaker numbers and your recruitment.
IF we start felling slighted we can push JQ to win or SoR.It is up to you to pick if you want to win or not. By attacking us we will only look to making JQ win more easy for them. After all you need us.
pssst, whisper your sweet nothings to the BG who took SOR garrison on reset yesterday.
Front line melee classes are the grunts of most any MMO large scale battles so it’s obvious you gonna notice them first since they alongside guardians will be the first wave you run into.
That said, those warriors, particularly in tier 1 are traited largely for survivability so they don’t become instant rally bots taking the initial spike damage so they won’t be bursting you down if you catch them one on one. Maneuver and focus the backline where all the squishies and dps are.
A lot of crying about warrior mobility recently. So I will clarify. War has to use a greatsword to have pretty much any mobility. Greatsword is literly a 1 trick poney. You have to stun/immobilize your enemy and prey to the heavens there stupid enough to stand there while you hundred blade and not stun break blink bow hop hit immune mist fear etc….
This ^^
Finally a response by someone who has actually played a Warrior class past level 5, well done sir!
Warrior, in my mind, is the best profession by far for getting the WvW achievements. Just go GS S/WH with PTV and a defensive set up and hop in a zerg. It’s the best profession for getting to the capture circle and surviving through the capture. It’s the number one profession in the game for fastest WXP when zerging as a result also.
Thief in full solder gear and with dagger/pistol+short bow will tag more and move faster for zerg tagging,and with stealth will never die if zerg get wiped :P
It’s still not going to give better WXP overall, though.
Best WXP has and always will be Karma Trains. Nothing else compares…………..
Ok so I understand there is going to be lag from time to time. There will be skill lag everynow and then. Especially in a big Zerg v Zerg. but there is something really wrong now. I get worse skill lag then I ever had and there is no one around me. no zerg nothing. this started to happen before this league non sense. Anet needs to check their servers!!!!!
They more than likely don’t have the time, resources, and possibly finances to fix the lag issue because if they had any of the above such an obvious problem would’ve been long since fixed as the fact it is a problem has been officially acknowledged.
Do what other MMO’s do, minimize calculations needed for combat, in other words dumb it down.
Problem with Anet’s engine is it carries a ton of variables. Look at the AH and peruse over the huge selection of runes and sigils for one. Every one of those sets have triggers, get hit for this pct causes this, You hit for this much triggers this. Now factor in a mass of players with their own traits, runes, sigils, food buffs, dodge rolling in a mass pile and the server has to keep up with all those calculations and send it back to the player in real time? lol is my only response to that, it’s pretty obvious why the server has difficulty keeping up.
Once the “newness” rubs off a good chunk of the PvE crowd will go back to slaying dragons for their queen.
Am sure queues will improve with each coming week.
It sucks but really it’s the first weekend, be patient. No one expected this many players to all of a sudden be interested in wvw after a year into release.
If the same thing happens next week I will jump on the bandwagon and bash Anet as well right along with ya, hah. Hopefully Anet has a quick solution in place going forward and gets the 5th map up and running by next weekend.
Right now this is a big problem.
It’s not just the queue. When you do get in, the quality of team-play has gone through the floor.Normally our pugs are reasonably tight disciplined, mostly on TS and nearly all aware of how to play the game. But right now, they are just running around hitting things, attacking the sentries, doors, wildlife, anything. When the enemy comes in sight they scatter and run. They clearly haven’t the faintest idea.
Out of a zerg of around 30, there were 5 of us on TS trying to direct the fight – total waste of time.
I can see the opposing servers are no better off, I’ve chased people through the middle of the enemy zerg and stomped them with enemy players just scattering out of my way – and I’m playing a mesmer.It’s a mess.
Newb players to WvW are gonna go through growing pains like we all did. I doubt you were “All Star” material the first day you set foot into WvW.
its actually fun here on fa. the pve players are lost at first, but we go them all in ts now and they seem to be having a lot of fun. some people that never played pvp in this game might have a rough time at first, but we help them with builds and all that and now they love it.
Cool. Never know, one of those newb pve players may soon find themselves addicted to WvW and become a Top Commander on your server.
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I have seen an increase in up levels. Start by banning them from WvW League play.
No further discussion is needed, I think everyone agrees.
Don’t like increased player presence leading to queues aye? The new map hopefully will be introduced soon…………
Soon being, 2014?
These achievements are an awful idea. My server is ranked 17th in EU and we had queues on all borders at 3pm, wtf. People like me who play WvW everyday can’t even play WvW because we get stuck in a queue everytime we want to play.
Am in same boat, it is what it is. Hopefully they will have the new map up in the next week.
They said it comes in 2014, which is after the league.
They did? Link to that announcement?
No further discussion is needed, I think everyone agrees.
Don’t like increased player presence leading to queues aye? The new map hopefully will be introduced soon…………
Soon being, 2014?
These achievements are an awful idea. My server is ranked 17th in EU and we had queues on all borders at 3pm, wtf. People like me who play WvW everyday can’t even play WvW because we get stuck in a queue everytime we want to play.
Am in same boat, it is what it is. Hopefully they will have the new map up in the next week.



