With the amount of PvP ruined threads that have been popping for nearly 1.5 years, i doubt this is the thing that will cause PvP to be even deader than ever.
Also this patch seems to mostly benefit people that realize play all modes. Just like the supposedly greatest MMORPG evAR, if you are to believe the crap that people say on this forum.
Rank dragon, and now i have less equipment then i had when i was rank 10, amazing stuff, also i need transmutation charges to use skins in pvp, is this a joke?
What does rank have to do with anything? You log in and re log and you get your items.
IF they truly are accountbound, then I don’t see the big fuss.
It’s a relatively small amount to spend for something being unlocked FOREVER.
Yes, PvP in the past did not reward anywhere near the amount of gold/SP that other forms of the game did, but that is hopefully going to change.
The only people truly with a stake here are those who are new to the game, as they will have little money/hardly any SP to spend on these new traits and amulets. Some may say, “well, they should focus on the core of the game first”, and they wouldn’t be wrong, but I think any kind of system that limits build diversity, no matter how small, isn’t the correct approach.
tl;dr: It’s not that expensive for people who actively play, but for new players it’s going to suck a bit.
Amulet are account bound. Traits are not, but since a lot of people seem to believe gw1 was the great CORPG ever and it had a worst system, I am sure after the initial QQ it will be fine.
Traits are not account bound, so if you play multiple toons either go do PvE or are you screwed.
It will limit build diversity as much as any game with an unlock system will, so it is not setting any real precedent other than that players in NA/EU are used to the old system. Since I am assuming these changes are more for the Chinese market, it wont impact them as much as it will impact the players here.
Hahahahahahahhahahah
They are adding gold cost to SPvP amulets?That’s a terrible idea.
That means the million~ PvP’ers that left, the players that didn’t have much gold because PvP never gave gold… those guys are going to have even less will to come back, I mean since GW2 is a game largely won or lost by playing the right top-tier/cheese specs…Holy kitten.
Sure more unlocks is more incentive to keep playing the game, it’s almost a decent idea.. but turning next to everything into an unlock just discourages people from coming back….
Old players coming back isn’t the intention here. the goal is to bring in the majority of the fanbase aka PvE side to attempt PvP. There is literally no reason to bother trying to please the older players since it cost more and since they are usually the first to make a big QQ thread and storm off for good.
It seems all these changes are mainly to have a solid foundation when the game launches in the biggest market in the world, China and significantly less about bring back players like yourself into the game. Even at sPvP peak, I doubt it was high enough for them to be actively marketing to bring them back.
tl;dr
they are not trying to bring you back. They are trying to big it up in China. We were just along the ride for it.
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Cool story bro.
That’s why most speedruns always consist of 2-3 ele’s. But yea, underpowered.
There is no such thing as underpower or weak or unviable in PvE. Almost anything goes short of walking around naked
So please keep your PweE comments to yourself.
Well with the removal of Town Clothing, they probably will never introduce Swimsuits or the School Outfit.
Seeing as if they do release them now, they will be armor skins since we no longer have Town Clothing. And they don’t want people running around in Swimsuits or School Outfits cause it might “break immersion” (you know, the immersion that Anet already broke?)…
So expect them never.
this is an example of someone who doesn’t know anything. if this person did, he would havr realize that all the crap he just said is the exact opposite of what anet said a few weeks ago.
so ignore this guy.
I have been doing this with QQ about dragon and today I plan on doing it the rants aboot pweper ruininz ma pvep.
No point theorycrafting. Just 24 hours left.
Uh, the new patch introduces a new map.
Also, TotSS was added after release and is a map favorite for many people. Skyhammer is a different story.
New traits, runes, sigils, amulets count as ‘new content’ for pvp, for me at least
Not really. It is 30 traits. Hardly like a new weapon with traits per class. That would be a feature we could expect after 6-8 months of literally NOTHING.
Runes and sigils are changed for consistancy. Dont expect too much there. There is no new map except in hotjoin. Doesn’t really count. Will just make people hate queuing even more when they have to go back to player vs point for tournaments.
And 2 new amulets but then they stop you mix and matching amulet and jewel so there we go
anet has never made any indication that this is a content patch. Colin even made it clear that
Feature = new features.
LS=new “content” (whatever that means to them).
Apparently they are going to announce something big on tuesday who knows what that is. (probably Pve related).
To be clear: before tomorrow’s patch you should open all of your tournament chests, spend all of your glory, and use all of your PvP crafting materials.
Think X armor doesn’t fit your character’s appearance? Craft it anyways and put it in your locker.
:)
How can we use all of our crafting materials without glory? Legit question
You should have thought of that 4 months ago. In any case, they wont do anything about it, so give it a rest.
Feature patch has nothing to do with content.
I am playing guild wars for years now. And the best thing about guild wars was that you could quit for a few months and it did not impact your account a lot. And now when I had this break in gw2 I noticed yesterday by chance “use all your glory, materials etc. or it will get wasted”. Because of bad design thousands of mats will get wasted anyway but what if I would miss that message like many will I pressume. All the stuff players got in months of playing will be lost because they went on a break … like they did many times before …
Your honor,
Relevance to Guild wars 2?
While it is nice you played guild wars 1, the truth is this is not guild wars 1 and it will never be guild wars 1 for good or mostly bad.
It’s nice to see someone play the trusty “it’s a different game” card, but is it also a different company? This isn’t the anet I remember.
Oh ya, that is the same kitten bioware fans tell themselves when they cry over their spilled milk.
It is almost like what you remember doesn’t mean anything. I mean if it was random that would be true, but considering the 4 month warning you don’t have a point.
Just to add things change, companies change, people change, the sooner you realize that the better it will be for yourself.
I am playing guild wars for years now. And the best thing about guild wars was that you could quit for a few months and it did not impact your account a lot. And now when I had this break in gw2 I noticed yesterday by chance “use all your glory, materials etc. or it will get wasted”. Because of bad design thousands of mats will get wasted anyway but what if I would miss that message like many will I pressume. All the stuff players got in months of playing will be lost because they went on a break … like they did many times before …
Your honor,
Relevance to Guild wars 2?
While it is nice you played guild wars 1, the truth is this is not guild wars 1 and it will never be guild wars 1 for good or mostly bad.
I need to see what the lesser trait changes and skill changes are first. No idea what looks good for the new GM traits until I see what it will work nicely with. Also, they have a major announcement tomorrow along with the patch. I am super hype for tomorrow.
What lesser trait changes? I thought only 40 new GM traits were being introduced, plus some balance nerfs to all 8 classes as usual…
Players will after fork out gold+skill points for new GM traits or get them for free doing certain PvE related stuff. Please Dulfy get the guide out fast to make it fairly painless.
The new amulets cost 10 gold to unlock.
New runes 5 gold.
New sigils 2 gold.AFAIK you after pay gold to unlock those, no other way.
So pay 1st, create new builds 2nd.
You have to admire Anet’s attempt at getting players to break out that CC. Well it might work on me tomorrow.
So, because I just started pvp and I was really excited that the arah set only costs 15000 glory, I won’t be able to get it now.. And I was really close to having that set unlocked I.y wardrobe for pve!?
Man.. Way to kick a guy when he’s down.
Unless you are a new player, you had all the chances got get the gear. well that was your option and you did not exercise it. Also getting the arah set was actually easier than getting most of the sets.
One of the devs implied that during the summer they are going to be releasing more costumes.
I think one of the reasons for the change in costume is to give more reason for people to buy them and what better reason than the new system. Since they are probably easier to make (since you only need 1 armor for all classes vs the current system).
Also don’t expect the school outfit until fall. back to school.
To be clear: before tomorrow’s patch you should open all of your tournament chests, spend all of your glory, and use all of your PvP crafting materials.
Think X armor doesn’t fit your character’s appearance? Craft it anyways and put it in your locker.
:)
Except there is no way you can use all the PvP materials. Whether you open chests or craft gear, you will have to salvage, thus you will get materials.
Please create a npc to trade them.
That has been asked for since the announcement of glory removal. If there wasn’t an NPC added by now, there won’t be one by tomorrow.
One area that I do have a question about is this: What about former players who are coming back to the game post April 15th. What are you going to do to their items? How would they know they needed to get rid of the game?
I asked this before. What if I played pvp a lot and had 2k chests and a tonne of mats saved up. Then decided to take a long break from gw2 uninstalling and playing another game. I finally decide to come back and open my bank to my surprise all of my pvp chests and mats are gone. Was I hacked or screwed over by the Devs? They treat this game like p2p and expect players to login every week. There were times in gw1 I took a couple months break and didn’t have to worry about missing out on content or losing my loot
1. This is not guild wars 1.
2. If you choose to quit the game, then you made the conscious decision to Quit. That is your problem.
3. Every MMO company wants you to login to their game every day. A lot of the changes recently have been done in that spirit.
Just like the LS if you don’t participate you miss out.
Every change in a MMORPG is going to negatively impact someone, the fact is they have a 4 month warning and if you not do something about it in four months you probably wont do it EVER.
That has been asked for since the announcement of glory removal. If there wasn’t an NPC added by now, there won’t be one by tomorrow.
One area that I do have a question about is this: What about former players who are coming back to the game post April 15th. What are you going to do to their items? How would they know they needed to get rid of the game?
Screw them. Going to the forums is mandatory.
Much love,
ArenaNet
Hey if you quit a game, the game doesn’t stop because you decide to quit. I know right, time moves forward.
On the other hand, did they say anything about it in-game?
If let’s say you quit the game, which is what this is all aboot, then having it in game wouldn’t matter.
With that said, it was on the client after you logged during december. The point being it was announced (glory removal), if you can play an MMO you can probably go to the official site. The official site are all tools necessary to play an MMO.
That has been asked for since the announcement of glory removal. If there wasn’t an NPC added by now, there won’t be one by tomorrow.
One area that I do have a question about is this: What about former players who are coming back to the game post April 15th. What are you going to do to their items? How would they know they needed to get rid of the game?
Screw them. Going to the forums is mandatory.
Much love,
ArenaNet
Hey if you quit a game, the game doesn’t stop because you decide to quit. I know right, time moves forward.
. Also, they have a major announcement tomorrow along with the patch. I am super hype for tomorrow.
Nothing more fun to watch than optimism slowly turning to anger and QQ. A wise man once said “expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.” This is especially true for guild wars 2 or any MMORPG or any game made by Bioware and Bethsoft or EA (proper) or activision or sega or ubisoft, valve games, crapcom, microsoft, actually almost any game company that is not nintendo and sony and project CD.
Ele – OP (although no good people left in this game to truly play ele and make it work)
Is that what you tell yourself to help you sleep at night? The biggest problem with the elementalist is the fact that the other 7 classes can do everything the elementalist ATTEMPT’S to do, but 10 times better.
Also if everything is OP or very OP wouldn’t that make the classes that are only OP, weak by comparison? OPness is very binary especially in spvp since there is only 1 game mode, so you are either OP or you are not OP.
Hello frands! Vee Wee here #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!
If you had trouble killing a useless decap Engi with both Warrior AND Thief, then maybe you should work on your Warrior and Thief skills! Thanks for reading!
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I need more frands in my life.
stone heart ftw.
no elementalist for sure. non bunker. bunkers=worthless.
lol so how do you play spvp if noone cares
I know you are trying to be clever, but what you said is not in anyway relevant to what he said.
The fact is hot join means you can join and leave at any point you so choose. if you have an issue form a team and go tpvp. or cry a river both work.
they wont fix it even though they know its broken, they just going to replace it with ladder system so if i were you i would stop caring bout leaderboard.
I suspect the people whining about leaderboards probably already know that. I suspect atm there are very few things to complain about BEFORE the feature patch, so why not complain about something insignificant.
Ele will never be the class to play for killing multiples while soloing unless you are vsing noobs, which there are a lot of. Sounds like you want something OP to play? If you want to be good at killing multiple targets play a mesmer.
ehm, not sure if serious or… xD
Mesmer = not many AoE —-> focus on single targets
Elementalist = almost no single target skills —-> guess what? —-> yup, focus on taking down multiple opponentseven better: with double dagger 90% of our offensive spells are PBAoE, specifically intended to deal with multiple foes at once.
Unfortunately “something went wrong” along the way and Arena Net decided to suppress this aspect – originally clearly part of the intended design – and only the overall mechanic remained while the original effectiveness has been completely removed.
I am looking forward 15april patch to see if I can get back some of my original fun from Elementalist…. crossing fingers.
I hate to break it to you but you pretty much just agreed with his assessment. It doesn’t matter what the d/d was meant to do, the fact is it can’t kill multiple targets at least in it current state so he was right.
The elementalist was meant to be a lot of thing, could have, should have, if none of those things matter in reality.
^ascended is account.
your friend either has to suck it up and do pve and level crafting or find another scepter.
Crafting takes ~1 hour to get from 1-500.
The time it takes has NEVER been the problem. It is the cost. If the player is PvP only, short of breaking out that CC said player has no chance of being able to afford to craft to 500. Then combine with the amount of work needed to get dragon ore and stuff.
Or keep Hotjoin for people that want HOTJOIN.
I mean it is almost like people have a preference that is different from yours. The people that want to PvP are going to eventually get sick of hotjoin and move on up.
So no hotjoin needs to stay mainly because there are different types of players and catering to the few (you guys) has never been a recipe of success.
Whats fun about hotjoin?
Whats hotjoin about?Serious questions. I don’t see why we can’t motivate people to do queues. Queues that have MMR (so when populated, create balanced matches), no auto-balancing, etc.
Hotjoin is a separate gamemode atm and it’s a real crappy one at that.
I wont pretend to speak for the people that enjoy HOTJOIN.
The good thing for people that like hotjoin is, it probably wont go away just because a bunch of self important players think it should (you would be an example of that). Its existence doesn’t negatively impact yours in any meaningful way other than you hate seeing other players having fun.
Everyday you have threads of people whining and kittening how other players (HJ heroes) are ruining their Tpvp or SoloQ. for whatever idiotic reason they can come up with for the day and now you want to completely force to subject themselves to the typical “hardcore” PvP rants that flood this forum.
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so i have 8 classes = weapons + armor is total somewhere around 70 total transmutation charges I will have to use to get back the same gear I already am wearing!!!!!!!!!???
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WOW that does suck for you.
Or keep Hotjoin for people that want HOTJOIN.
I mean it is almost like people have a preference that is different from yours. The people that want to PvP are going to eventually get sick of hotjoin and move on up.
So no hotjoin needs to stay mainly because there are different types of players and catering to the few (you guys) has never been a recipe of success.
I thought they implied they were not going to bother fixing it, until all the backend stuff (Justin’s work) is done and ready to roll out, a little after the feature patch.
kitten !!
Someone just got served!
^ascended is account.
your friend either has to suck it up and do pve and level crafting or find another scepter.
Honestly, rank is not that important. The more you spend time in Hotjoin they more you get used to playing like a hotjoin. The best thing to do is just learn the maps in hot join, learn your build, watch a few videos on soloQ tactics play for a while and then move on up to TPvP (assuming you are solo queuing for it).
Rank has very little to do with. The fact that you are here speaks more about you than the hundreds that play this “PvP”.
tl;dr
rank means kitten. Learn the maps, your build or research other builds, watch videos on tactics, play soloQ for a while then move on up to TeamQ. You can do all of this before rank 20.
Apparently, if you keep the mats until after the patch it would be like they never existed. So keep them.
Some work was done to address this issue. Once the feature patch is released you will need to play a few matches in order for the achievement rank to match parity with your actual rank.
hi new person I have never seen on the forum.
S/D bunkers will be totally broken again imo.
Aside the fact that they used to heal 2-3 times the normal thx to signet bug, we’re forgetting that soothing mist has been changed to regen every 10 secs.
No ICD on cleansing wave + soothing mist+ dwayna runes= ridicolous cleansing capabilities, and they’re even adding regen to trident ( and reducing armor of earth CD so won’t be really mandatory to bring CD reduction trait).
Eles back then were not only able to contest a point vs multiple opponents for ridicolous amount of time, they were also godly in teamfights ( condi removal, heals, boon stacking) now they will really be able to come back and become the ultimate support class, perfectly fitting bunker guards.
Sigh…
OMG support, is that suppose to be a good thing?
Guess I’ll have to find myself a pretty staff for my ele. <3
I wouldn’t be making shopping plans for a new staff just yet, with arenanet anything can happen.
Eh, the skin can also be used on Necro, Guard or Mes, it’s not like it’d be a waste if it was only played on the Ele for a week.
you are taking what I said too literal.
Anet’s really shady with their statistics. Remember when they included WvW players as PvP population?
Do you know which other companies are shaddy with statistics? So it is not a new phenomenon, also not a new one people complaining about information that doesn’t suit their narrative.
Guess I’ll have to find myself a pretty staff for my ele. <3
I wouldn’t be making shopping plans for a new staff just yet, with arenanet anything can happen.
I still don’t know what will make staff ele OP in patch? 20% more healing to allies, everyone can put sigil that do same as that grandmaster trait, don’t forget that everyone except ele and engi geting big buff in sigils that will work now without shared CD and all classes can have 4 except ele and engi.
Stone heart can prevent some crit, but you still take normal dmg and condition, ele with low armor and low hp can’t just take dmg and stand in earth.
It means elementalist wont be as hard countered by thief and it also increases survivability by virtue of having less damage. It has nothing to do with that terrible healing skill trait and more to do with the removal of the nerfs to traits. In any case the bunker ele would be in a better place on april 15 than before. This is all theorycrafting so it might not worked as planned.
Anybody with a brain can see guild wars 1 had more PvP stuff, considering that it was in fact a PvP based game initially until they decided to slap from PvE which was meant as a tutorial for PvP. Ironically, the PvE became the show.
The question is, why does it matter at this stage? Are you saying this because of what?(I question the purpose of this topic, is it to state the obvious or what?)
But the main sucker punch was the one pvp mode since launch and pathetic pve content. Funny how it takes 2+ months for any serious update to the game. Other companies usually take less time to implement a patch than anet does with gw2.
The main sucker punch was the hype behind it, imo. If they didn’t hype it that much, then there would’ve been less rage. But then again, gw1 was very popular pvp-wise so most people expected no less of gw2.
Exactly, it did not live up to expectations with one crappy pvp mode based off a pvx mode from gw1.
From a business stand point, it made literally zero sense for Anet to focus on PvP considering that even in guild wars 1, the PvE was the thing that was generating money. Guild wars 1 might have started out as a PvP game, but it certainly ended up as a PvE game.
Argue your “business standpoint” to anet who wanted to utilize gw2 pvp as an esport. Be sure to be very detailed on how they should, would or could make the game more profitable for nsoft.
Obviously, you are assuming I care whether or not guild wars 2 becomes an esportz right? If guild wars 2 becomes an esport good for them but I suspect if that was the case it would be driven entirely by the Asian Markets not na/eu, but like I said I don’t care.
I don’t care about esportz but that doesn’t mean I wont attempt to point out major flaws on one’s argument.
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also # silvermember I assume suggestions like #1 etc are “unreasonable” or “insane” are simply because you feel Anet would never do it?
You misunderstood my comment about #3, Evan has already said that the current system is simply a stepping stone for what you are asking.
no.2 just seems so needless and pointless. The ones that don’t know the difference between hotjoin and solo/teamQ probably shouldn’t be in solo/teamQ in the first place, so the name doesn’t really mean much.
no.13 is just a recipe for disaster in terms of more in balance. Just imagine some of the PvE amulet making it into PvP and there is very little Anet can do to balance those things.
no.1 The whole point of rank was to act like levels, adding infinite levels really doesn’t add anything considering the benefits stop at 80. Since rank means almost nothing, personally more resources should be spent on more important things. And assuming it is added, they will have to add more benefits because inevitably people will start making QQ thread as usual demanding something that means nothing.
TL;DR
I don’t remember explicitly using insane but if I did it should only apply to #13.
Anet probably doesn’t want to publish the notes because they know it will be terrible and so they are probably waiting till release date when all the QQ generated will be drowned out by the positives.
They are quite predictable in that respect.
back to topic
We can all agree that bunker will be nice thanks to the new trait, but personally, I would rather have zero specs that a million bunker spec.
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A lot of you suggestions seems to be more of a personal preference versus what the developers want for their game aka useless rank, while another bunch of them are things they are coming to the game down the line aka build saving.
Others like 13 leads to more trouble than ever before. others like 10. are only an issue because Arenanet couldn’t balance a chair on a flat surface if they tried.
priority for condition clearing defeats the purpose of covering conditions, the problem seems to be how easy conditions are spammed so why not do something about that instead.
The only reasonable sane suggestions are 4, 5, 8,9,12, 15 (but only 1 per rally and if multiple people are hiting the highest damage overrall during the fight and down gets the rez).
Keep stealth moves, but remove cut movement bonus to -50% of the normal combat speed but include a trait that reduces it to normal combat speed but put in in one of those defensive lines. Or don’t cut movement speed but any damage dealt breaks out of stealth and you cannot be under it for more than 7 seconds.
If LE affected stone heart, it wouldn’t be fair for other 7 classes.
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Source?
/seemstoogoodtobetrue
It’s called Watching RU. U should do that in the future.
Guild wars 1 might have started out as a PvP game, but it certainly ended up as a PvE game.
LOOOOOOL. Are you serious? Please…
GW1 PvP = one of the best PvP ever seen.
GW1 PvE = :-|
I think you miss understand what I meant by that.
What I meant was that although guild wars 1 started as a PvP focused game (as in the whole existence of PvE was to be a guide for PvP), later towards the end it became more PvE driven in content or the developers were focusing more on the PvE side, since it was the thing driving sales and making money as compared to the PvP side.
Also I love your are you trying to be clever, but what you clearly failed to realize was that what I said had nothing to do with how good or bad guild wars 1 PvP was. But i suspect you did not read what I said but was simply looking for a reason to attempt to be clever. How did that work out for you?
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Good for you. Moving on up in the world. You have the patience of a saint for having to deal with these forums for months.
Anyways, good luck.
Anybody with a brain can see guild wars 1 had more PvP stuff, considering that it was in fact a PvP based game initially until they decided to slap from PvE which was meant as a tutorial for PvP. Ironically, the PvE became the show.
The question is, why does it matter at this stage? Are you saying this because of what?(I question the purpose of this topic, is it to state the obvious or what?)
But the main sucker punch was the one pvp mode since launch and pathetic pve content. Funny how it takes 2+ months for any serious update to the game. Other companies usually take less time to implement a patch than anet does with gw2.
The main sucker punch was the hype behind it, imo. If they didn’t hype it that much, then there would’ve been less rage. But then again, gw1 was very popular pvp-wise so most people expected no less of gw2.
Exactly, it did not live up to expectations with one crappy pvp mode based off a pvx mode from gw1.
From a business stand point, it made literally zero sense for Anet to focus on PvP considering that even in guild wars 1, the PvE was the thing that was generating money. Guild wars 1 might have started out as a PvP game, but it certainly ended up as a PvE game.
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