Guild Wars 2

Thedenofsin.7340:

silvermember.8941:

The fall of the elementalist and the rise of the warrior and necromancers are the DIRECT result of listening to the so called PRO.

That is not true. I recall, during a SotG way back, Chappy distinctly saying they were watching the elementalists because double ele was the meta, and double anything is a sure sign the profession is imbalanced.

I also recall, during a SotG (prior to the HS insanity) many high ranking players saying Warrior was actually in a fairly decent spot, but other professions were imbalanced.

I also recall Zombify stating, prior to the Dhuumfire patch, that Necros were in a decent spot, and could use a couple of small buffs. When the the proposed Necro changes announced, he stated they were out of whack.

Please don’t derail this thread with misinformation. This is about the Mesmer SotG, nothing else.

I was talking about beta slick. Everybody was whining how OP the elementalist was. The bunker ele that was “strong” was the result of the nerf from bwe2, since we had no alternatives.

Anyways, thank you for attempting to play though. It is always nice to see someone attempt to swing and miss.

also just because I don’t agree with the circlejerking doesn’t mean I am derailing, I am simply providing another reason why listening to the crowd on this forum is a bad idea, not always but some times.

Lupanic.6502:

Constant.7498:

Lupanic.6502:

Nothing more will come. They said the posted patch nodes are not complete but only small things are missing. The problem is, that our (sPvP feedback) does not count. They also told us that the do trust metrics and hidden numbers but not good players at this forum like sensotix. So they ‘fixing’ a classes based on sPvP feedback. Tell them Mesmer is bad in PvE. Maybe this will helps. We scream since month about the warrior and thief. Since 2 month about the decap engi and nothing found its way to the patchnotes. Not one bit. So Mesmer will stay out of the sPvP meta and we see in the next 6 month still guardian/warrior/warrior/ranger/thief tournaments over and over and the decap engi will decap the soloQ as well.

This is the type of comment that WOULD make the dev’s not listen to players feedback, and if you honestly think the dev’s do not listen to our feedback then your just plain ignorant.

Comments like this is why I don’t like to visit or comment on the forums much.

I am developer by myself. I know how they feel if they read my comment. But look at the truth. Look at it.

Name me one point in the next patch that is clearly based on our feedback. Most of the things are against our feedback, our requests and our needs.

Please post one point that is based on the feedback.

Many many real good player (not like me) posted in this forum or in the classes / balance section what the sPvP player wants/need. Nothing happend for 6 month. Ok maybe it takes resources and time to create something and collect our feedback. Now they create a bug feature/balance patch and NOTHING is for us.

So what do you think should I post?

Come on sensotix, your feedback is great. Devs will surly look at the mesmer in sPvP and bring him back into the meta? See they nerfed the warrior…. oh wait they buffed him with sigils…. but they nerfed the thief so he will not pw you all the time… oh wait no they did not. But the nerfed the decap engi so that this spot in team will be free for mesmer…. oh no they don’t.

Anybody can claim they are a developer because the concept of proof doesn’t exist.

Assuming you are in fact a developer, you seem to show a lack of professionalism and you probably are not an MMORPG developer. One of the most important things about professionals are, they don’t make assumptions about other people’s job UNLESS they have been in a very similiar situation and I honestly doubt you have been, but I digress.

The reason why they don’t seem to listen to the feedback given here, is probably because the feedback here only represents a very small but subset of the total players in the game. With that said, JUST because they don’t do exactly what you want doesn’t mean they don’t listen. The fall of the elementalist and the rise of the warrior and necromancers are the DIRECT result of listening to the so called PRO.

We get to keep all our skins according to the quote below according to the support page.

What about my PvP skins?
PvP skins and PvE skins will no longer be mutually exclusive. This means that any skin that you unlocked for PvP will be available in your Wardrobe after the character wearing gear with equipped PvP skins visits the Heart of the Mists. In addition, any skins that were in your PvP Locker will be unlocked upon arriving at the Heart of the Mists.

source [url] https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/46419166-Wardrobe [/url]

Sarrs.4831:

Lotus.1682:

Except for now, they are gonna force you to use transmutation charges to switch looks in PvP instead of it being free like before. I hope they reward some of these charges through PvP rewards because otherwise I for one am not gonna spend the already kittenty amount of gold I make through PvP on gems just to switch to an armor set that I have already unlocked..

Have they explicitly confirmed this? I figured that it would only be necessary to spend Transmutation Charges to apply a skin to a set of gear with actual stats.

Since PvP and PvE are skins are being combine you are going to have to drop some cash or use gold or do world completion for some free transumation stones, in any case. You are going to have to pay.

I doubt a lot of PvPers are going to be happy about it, but I suspect Anet is doing it for the majority of the players that already spend money on the game than the small PvP population.

LordByron.8369:

That trait and PvE are not good.

due to
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unshakable

It is almost like they’re modes other than pve, weird huh?

jmatb.6307:

I am 100% convinced at this point that Anet has no idea how to fix the PvP problems without poking the cash cow too hard, so they’ve literally thrown in the towel.

Sorry folks, if you like challenging, skill oriented, PvP find another game. Nothing like that here.

Thanks for sharing, but since you quit why should any of this be of any significance or concern to you. After all gw2 is the worst game ever and I would think you will be playing those other better ones to care.

Alissah.9281:

They also mentioned something like: “existing characters will have all opd traits unlocked, but the new ones will be locked. Characters created after the patch will have all traits locked”.

… Does this mean I cant create a new character to fool around wih in pvp… But have to get 8 character slots, and unlock all traits on each profession and NEVER be allowed to delete and recreate one with different race/looks, because ill lose all traits?

That better not be the case…. I have alot of lvl2 haracters that are just there for pvp, and i occasionally recreate them :/.

It probably means you have to buy it.

While I agree that the trait is terrible, I think the problem with have is we are looking at it from a purely PvP standpoint while Anet is also looking at it from another standpoint that doesn’t actually matter PvE. Like power block has no use in PvE while this kittenty skill only seems to have use in PvE.

RaZaC.1963:

So the only good major trait is one that hard counters thiefs? Great post Sensotix really constructive and all.

Now that we know the release date for the feature patch, he has to change his focus to something else.

DanyK.3842:

silvermember.8941:

There is your communication.

DanyK.3842:

This is a massive nerf to my ele build (14/14/14/14/14). Thanks so much ArenaNet!
On a more serious note I hope they won’t make me do PvE to try out the new traits in PvP, even though they probably won’t be viable and will lean heavily towards support.

you can buy it they said, Which is probably why they introduced gold into the PvP.

I have to say ever since I get 30s for a tourney win I am a GW2 millionnaire. Money is no problem for a PvP player, money cost? Bring it on!

That seems like a more personal problem buddy . If you don’t want to PvP to get more gold that is all on you.

There is your communication.

DanyK.3842:

This is a massive nerf to my ele build (14/14/14/14/14). Thanks so much ArenaNet!
On a more serious note I hope they won’t make me do PvE to try out the new traits in PvP, even though they probably won’t be viable and will lean heavily towards support.

you can buy it they said, Which is probably why they introduced gold into the PvP.

Pyriall.5027:

silvermember.8941:

If you haven’t gotten the memo, they are trying to make sPvP and PvE more inclusive. So you are going to be seeing more PvE based rewards because they want to attract those PvEer to do PvP and the reverse to a lesser degree, since they are so few in the first place.

With that said, those rewards are terrible. At best if the current rewards stay they should be for the end of a tournament or soloQ win and not for ranking up. That is just silly.

Just wait for the new reward system. IT’S GOING TO BE AWE$OME!

It is going to be awesome for me by virtue of the wardrobe being implement anything else is just gravy.

If you haven’t gotten the memo, they are trying to make sPvP and PvE more inclusive. So you are going to be seeing more PvE based rewards because they want to attract those PvEer to do PvP and the reverse to a lesser degree, since they are so few in the first place.

With that said, those rewards are terrible. At best if the current rewards stay they should be for the end of a tournament or soloQ win and not for ranking up. That is just silly.

Why would they write something when they know it would be met with a barrage of insults for something that is entirely not their fault. The PvP devs don’t set the schedule for the companies’ plans, the highers ups do. I don’t blame them for not posting, people treat them like crap, which sometimes they deserve, but some don’t know where to draw the line.

So it is better just to let the player get angry and get it out of their system until Friday’s Ready UP, where they might be impressed or further kittened off.

The same reason why every company don’t openly share their plans either for marketing reasons or because they are not entirely sure.

Or it is part of a drinking game they have every friday night where they go through the forum and take a shot whenever someone makes a post relating to the feature patch date or threatens to quit due to it and stuff. This sounds better than the first two.

lobo fett.4705:

can we please get some kind of statement from developers?

It might be safer just to assume THEY are not going to announce it on a forum thread but instead making a big post on the official site. It is also safer just to assume they wont do it until either the end of seasons or the feature patch, since ACWXP is a feature.

clint.5681:

Silvermember I have never really seen what your purpose in threads is besides to argue with people who hold a different opinion than you. Can you explain to me what it is?

The most important thing to realize is, I only post on this forum when I m at work aka I have absolutely nothing to do.

Attacking someone’s opinion is the essence of an argument. Also you only see me attacking people’s opinion because that is what you look for. I just recently got a 2 day ban for essentially telling a dev that his excitement over the feature patch balance was no different than the developers of Aliens marine colonels being excited about their game. I also enjoy mocking the imaginary balance this game supposedly has, but I digress.

With that said, I am not a particular fan of the popular mentality that this forum has, the problem with populist mentality is they tend not be grounded in realism or disregard the consequences. I like to think of myself as a realist or maybe I am just a pessimist or a fanboy pretending to be a pessimistic pretending to be a realist. The point being I think a lot of points or opinions are made in a BS bubble that completely disregard reality, so I generally attempt to pick them apart. Obviously it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things, I just do it.

jmatb.6307:

News Flash

Fanboys, GW2 is nowhere near as good as it gets.

Their story is terrible. SWTOR’s 1-50 class stories roflstomp the crap out of GW2. FFXIV and WoW are also better by far.

Their PvP is terrible. MOBAs are the best, Smite, SWTOR, FFXIV, WoW are better.

Their PvE is terrible. FFXIV, WoW, SWTOR, even Rift is better.

Their RvR still doesn’t hold a candle to Dark Age of Camelot.

Their Event system is buggy and terrible. FFXIV does it better, way better.

You paid 50 bucks one time for the game.

You get what you pay for.

Edit: only reason I post on the forums is because I was lied to and want to help the ignorant mass of people who play this game find a real one that is worth the only thing we run out of – time.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. You seem angry, here is my gif from me to you.

brannigan.9831:

A few quick points. I personally know about 10 other players that don’t post here that basically hold about 90% of the same views about pvp in GW2 as I do. I am sure there are many other people like that post here some that know more then 10 people. To act like this board is not in general an excellent indication of what the player base wants is ludicrous. Also, I personally believe that a straw poll of about 300-500 people would be very accurate. This game would be lucky to have 5k -10K players playing pvp for at least an hour a week. They would never tell us that data but I would love to see how many players play at least an hour a week. IT IS NOT MANY for a game with over a million players logging in regularly. So 300-500 is actually quite a lot given the small pvp player base. Those comments by Allie have basically destroyed any faith I had left in this game. What do you expect from somebody that has a rank 20 pvp charcter after a year and a half. For pete’s sake they have added accelerated rank point weekends so many times that literally like 20 hours of pvp and possibly less.

1. Anecdotal evidence is useless in science is useless in any form of debate and scientific explanations.
2. Having faith in a product? Just WOW.

garethh.3518:

Dahkeus.8243:

Lots of angry gamers…probably because they’re realizing that GW2 is as good as it gets. Otherwise, you’d wouldn’t be on these forums.

If you really want to make a point that ANet will hear, play another game and ditch the forums. Until then, it’s clear that the competition isn’t holding your interests. =P

PvP’ers have been leaving this game, constantly, since launch.
Only a few hundred people in all of NA play GW2 TPvP right now.

If Anet hasn’t gotten the memo by now, that what they are doing is bad… I think they are a bit too dense to change.

Guild wars 2 is not the first MMORPG that players have left and it wont be the last. Guild wars 1 for as good as it apparently was still had player leaving. Players leaving doesn’t really mean much in the grand scheme of things, especially players in a game mode that doesn’t even generate income for them.

The reason why Anet hasn’t change can be seen in Ncsoft’s quarterly reports. For all the noise PvPers make, the overall game isn’t really being affect by the outcome of sPvPer, thus it doesn’t matter much for them. It is in their best interest to get the paying customers from PvE to PvP to grow it, than to keep the current “loyal” PvPers dont spend as much as their Pve counter parts and because they (anet) knows that there are no good alternatives short of leaving the genre to play fps or mobas. A perfect example of what I mean is you. You apparently left the game months ago and yet here you are almost everyday posting on the forum for a game you apparently have zero faith in. You might call it putting Anet in their place but I see something else.

TL:DR The recent changes seem to show their focus on bringing more from the PvE side than pleasing the loyal PvPers given the fact that they will stick with the game.

Phaeton.9582:

Do you even play guild wars 2?

The OP is one of those people that can’t seem to move on and the forum is the only place where for a brief moment in time the OP can be relevant. It reminds me of tales of former H.S star Quarterbacks from small football towns across America that did not amount to much after leaving H.S; so every year, the quarterback don’s on his old letter jack and walks around his old alma mater trying to relive that brief moment when he was the town’s star.

In this case, the OP and others similar to him/her, sticking around and stating the obvious is important to him/her. On this forums, the OP and others are like stars and apparently spending 60 bucks on a game is totally worth spending a year when OP apparently left in a trail of glory mocking the game, instead of moving on.

Those are all just terrible.

I mean I can see why they ended glory due to the future wardrobe coming for the PvE side and they are trying to minimize the damage done, but this is ridiculous.

KarateKid.5648:

TooBz.3065:

I think ANet makes a lot of money on the gem store. Why offer things of value when you can get money my offering things of less value.

From a business perspective, if you can get 1 guy to buy the same item 4 times, you’re better off than if 3 people buy it once.

Agreed – to some extent. But the only things APPROACHING price-value equity on there are bank, stack, etc upgrades (and even those are too high-priced IMHO). NOTHING right now compels me to buy at current prices.

If they don’t wanna add new items (coding), just bump those prices down a bit.

I don’t suspect it will happen until people spending RL money (not gems from gold) slack a bit, though.

They thing a lot you people seem to fail to grasp is that Anet doesn’t need everybody to buy things from the cash shop. They only need a few to buy from the cash shop, that is how games with cash shop make their money. The few generates most of the income for the majority.

Vol.7601:

Norn female ones are pretty darn good.

It’s a shame though that I find Norn females too..chunky.

I was excited about norns until i saw them run, so I promptly erase it. Theoretically, they could be more interesting if we could control their proportion.

Pyriall.5027:

Allie Murdock.8152:

Thanks Lordrosicky.5813 for understanding.

Before you guys continue to react over this, please pay attention to the entire post.

“However, we are not where we need to be yet, so we are continuing to investigate other ways to handle this issue.”

This should mean something to you.

I really wish you wouldn’t say things like this. Before you go insulting players, how about you take an honest look at your past history when it comes to statements you are now highlighting. We know you said; “however, we are not where…”, but that is the problem. You say things like that ALL THE TIME and NOTHING IS DONE. What is so hard to understand about that? Someone above me put it best, you guys sure do investigate a lot of things, but boy do you fall short in fixing them.

They say that all the time because no system is ever perfect. They say it because they don’t want to give the impression that You (player) believes they (Anet) are padding themselves on the back while the problem still exist.

They say that all the time because it is the only thing they can say without people responding they way others have been responding, example look at the response after the OP.

They are lot of things Anet is responsible aka balance but in this case they have no choice but to say what they have said.

They was never a patch planned for today. They even told you a month ago just to be as clear as they can possibly be. So that they wont be any doubt in your mind.

1. They never said the 18th was going to be when the big patch was coming.
2. Even if you manage to misinterpret their intentions 1 month ago they specified that the feature patch wont come until a later date.

They are alot of things to be kittened off at, the removal of glory instead of simply keeping it until a new system is in place, but whining about the feature patch not being out today is not one of them.

Also you are probably going to be waiting a lot more longer, so sit down and relax.

cerberus.1937:

Malcastus.6240:

I had 60+ when they mentioned removing them. .

oh poor you those 60 boosters must have been tough to use try being dedicated to something like pvp before passing off what people are losing as nothing, or better yet be happy when they delete a year and a half worth of your pve effort then you can have room to say people are crying over nothing.

point is you don’t care about boosters doesn’t mean other people don’t so feel free to talk about boosters all you want but don’t try to walk in here and tell everyone that they are crying or unjustified saying you had 60 boosters compared to people that had over 600 and constantly earning more

What makes you think we don’t care about boosters? We all do, the difference is some of us probably already use theirs and we believe it wont be fair for us that listen to them.

In a way all of us are being selfish. I personally don’t mind if we get something for boosters but they better refund all the booster I have used since the announcement. Think of it like this, if I am going down, I am pulling you with me.

sephiroth.4217:

Justin ODell.9517:

I can’t wait to delete the old PvP servers!

Chaith.8256 is right though, a lot of those changes were in response to what the playerbase wanted at the time.

lilz shorty.1879, I respect your critical approach to the subject, but I have to disagree. As a counter-argument, consider the reverse. Would you prefer we remain more (or completely) static and not respond to changes and player feedback? Yes, being agile can have its downsides, I believe (and hope you will soon™ agree) the benefits greatly outweigh the costs.

Really DoYourBestBear.6810, really? It’s not funny when you do it. :P

Your WvW developers do exactly what I highlighted. Which is why I’m trying to get into PvP now but even that’s hard with all the rank 60 people who like to abuse you for soloq at rank 27

LOL no. A lot of people that WvW wouldn’t agree with your assessment, it is until only recently that WvWers have been getting nice things.

After a certain point, rank stops correlating to skill and becomes more of a function of time spent.

Dosvidaniya.3260:

Allie Murdock.8152:

Countless,

Yes, I did say that. I also said in that post that we are investigating ways that we can get proper metrics to reflect the majority of the playerbase. If you knew the amount of players that actually played PvP in our game, then you would understand why a strawpoll with 300 votes is not sufficient.

That’s not to say that we don’t talk about it internally. We talk about it quite a lot.

If the issue was as simple as me making a strawpoll, I’d do it; but it’s not. A very, very small percentage of our playerbase even visit these forums, let alone vote on a poll.

That is not how statistics work. I really am starting to wonder if actual mathematics is used at all in design decisions. No offense to you Allie; it’s not your job to know the math. I just dislike the perpetuation of the misconception of sample size and population. I also dislike how some of the “math” (in regards to loot and luck) in this game doesn’t make any sense.

Yes, there are reasons why the strawpoll can be called into question. Population size is not one of them.

The mathematics of probability proves the size of the population is irrelevant unless the size of the sample exceeds a few percent of the total population you are examining. This means that a sample of 500 people is equally useful in examining the opinions of a state of 15,000,000 as it would a city of 100,000.

• http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

Actually, its funny you are claiming to know more about statistics and you prove how little you know.

TAking a strawpoll here only gives information about a subset of gamers that visit the forums, it doesnt provide a good sample of the PvP population at large, unless you believe the people here represent the whole PvP base, which that would be wrong.

Statistics relies on RANDOM spread, that would be like taking the opinion of 300 that read Fortune magazine and claiming since they all voted against the minimum wage increase that must mean every american hates an increase in the minimum wage.

I am totally sure they are going to change their plans at this stage, given how for months you people have been complaining how the rewards are terrible.

Phantom Master.9582:

lordkrall.7241:

So they should basically never ever change anything whatsoever after the release of the game?

Older players still have all those things from the “good old day” and unless they stop playing they will always be ahead of new players.

Are you serious bro? What the hell do we have from the ‘’good old days’’ you speak of? We were never given anything! Some lucky players used to have a team when paid tourneys existed and those TOP 50, lucky players got a title. I don’t think we were only 50 to do PvP at the start of the game.

I won’t play this game as often as I used to play it, I don’t feel like giving alot more of my life to this game. I played around 4.1k games (not all TPvP tho), and I’m still only rank 51 when I should be close to 60.

I have a life, a girlfriend and I have to study. I don’t feel like playing as much, please just don’t be a greedy prick. If you deserve to be rank 60 from 4k+ games, I do to.

It is called progress. just like how price cut screw over loyal gamers that bought the product early, sometimes to improve you most discard the old. If your skins or ranks were being taken from you maybe you might have a point. But at this stage there is very few people PvPing that worrying about screwing them over is less important than having more players.

Also being loyal means what exactly? There is absolutely zero reason to be proud about being loyal to a company. A lot of “loyal” players have been asking for better rewards and improvements, the way i see it they took one side of the loyal fan’s opinion over another.

Chaith.8256:

Malediktus.9250:

Why you need so many infinite lights?

However, some PvPers (not I) hold the opinion that suddenly all the unlocked PvP items will become sellable skins, and the Infinite Light skin retails for like, 850g.

Anybody that thinks that is what is going to happen I feel sorry for them. At best they will make it account bound and then end the transmute to white to unbound it. Doing that will completely destroy the market and anet doesn’t intentionally do it.

Stand The Wall.6987:

If pvp went f2p then it would most likely attract the crowd that will not pay for the pve side.

This. And why would they spend money? Also what would the they spend money on.

The type it will attract wont spend money on the game and enough to justify it. A lot of people here are looking at it from their prospective not Anet’s. Ultimately, they will only do it if it is worth the money. The best thing they can do is try and attract the players that currently play or bought the game than chase after some nonexistent market.

It seems to me that PvP as been relegated to a check box item.

Biggby.6034:

silvermember.8941:

DanyK.3842:

silvermember.8941:

why would they spend time making a f2p version that wont interact with the paid version for very little income gain?

Look at it this way: Imagine LoL having a b2p PvE side which also unlocks some skins for the regular Moba if you buy it. Riot would make more or the same amount of money, not changing the game but expanding it. Now GW2 already has PvE so they can just add an account version that does not include PvE and makes some of PvP pay to get, like skins. This would get them more players overall into their PvP, making the already existing players more motivated, bringing in potential customers that downloaded the game for PvP, liked the combat, read the lore and want to engage in the living story. There’s nothing bad about the idea aside from the time and resources invested.

LOL only works because you can sell champions, which is the essence of the game. So you can’t use LOL as a reference. What could they sell to f2p players? that is worth it. In any case you still havent given an incentive why they should do it

I mentioned how games like LOL involve unlocking characters in the original post and made suggestions for monetization that could get free players to spend at least as much as the current box price to have the basics of pvp, or the entire game unlocked. After that arenanet would be reliant on skins, custom arenas, finishers, and pvp players spending money in pve, as they currently are.

I agree that they probably need to be expanded upon that and would love to hear your suggestions, however if all there talk about esports is to be taken seriously I would hope they have ideas/statistics about what would be necessary in terms of funding. My point was more that this is the only way I see for them to reasonably increase the number of people playing, and having that increased player base would be necessary for esports.

I doubt anet cares about esport enough to destroy and kitten off the majority of their players. And given how the game now or soon gives gold they going to significantly inflate gold on the tp.

So far non of you are giving any decent re ason why they should kitten off the pve side, create hyper inflation, dedicate resources for that f2p pvp. The only justification is cuz esportz and I don’t think at this stage anet really cares that spvp is not at that stage or wont be, hence the limited resources. U need a reason that Benefits them not the few pvpers on average in an mmorpg game.

DanyK.3842:

silvermember.8941:

why would they spend time making a f2p version that wont interact with the paid version for very little income gain?

Look at it this way: Imagine LoL having a b2p PvE side which also unlocks some skins for the regular Moba if you buy it. Riot would make more or the same amount of money, not changing the game but expanding it. Now GW2 already has PvE so they can just add an account version that does not include PvE and makes some of PvP pay to get, like skins. This would get them more players overall into their PvP, making the already existing players more motivated, bringing in potential customers that downloaded the game for PvP, liked the combat, read the lore and want to engage in the living story. There’s nothing bad about the idea aside from the time and resources invested.

LOL only works because you can sell champions, which is the essence of the game. So you can’t use LOL as a reference. What could they sell to f2p players? that is worth it. In any case you still havent given an incentive why they should do it

why would they spend time making a f2p version that wont interact with the paid version for very little income gain? For a game mode they cant monetize.

I think their goal is to attract new players NOT new PvPers. They will make more money on the PvE side of thing than on the PvP side of things considering you cant monetize PvP too heavily without it being a problem. Hence why they are no f2p ONLY PvP MMORPG. The pvp acts like a checkbox

Malediktus.9250:

you dont have to time much with retaliation, guardians have a pretty high uptime by just using their standard skills
I spent roughly 4760 hours of my gameplay with guardian so I know well about the class

They also have low hp. It is part of their defenses.

With your logic all boons are passive play qhich according to his highness is automatically bad.

You might want to keep them for precursor crafting since apparently it requires a lot of vision crystals, but that is just me.

saVdoom.2067:

Can’t… I don’t play anymore nor have the desire to get rid of 400 glory boosters i got…

Cool story brah, but you really did not have to take the time to come tell us that you quit. Reminds me of people that graduated from H.S but still go back in their lettered jacket.

I wanna try the thief after a 8 month hiatus i.e Level in PvE never played it again.

Any recommendations for PvP in terms of tips, setups or just guides.

They will probably refund it like they always do. Now we don’t know for sure if the PvP to PvE conversion will happen in the feature patch or not, but htey will refund it based on previous instances.

Are you so desperate that you clingy to non information like this?

I hear Mike O’brien and Colin likes the sandwichmaner, I guess that is also confirmed.

milo.6942:

silvermember.8941:

milo.6942:

silvermember.8941:

milo.6942:

Guys the answer is right in front of you, it’s not complicated at all. To balance pvp means to affect the builds of pve players. Pve players currently fund the game. Ergo, don’t kitten with the revenue stream. Of course then the most obvious question is why don’t they split pve and pvp balance? I don’t know. I don’t buy the responses given that it’s to help not alienate pve players when they visit pvp… just guessing but I’d lean towards there not being enough programmers and qa staff to support what amounts to a near doubling of skills. Notice also how 2 years into the game there are only a handful of new skills.

I always thought it was to prevent something like what happen in guild wars 1, but I guess that seems to logical a reason for some.

and what was it that happened to gw1 that they are trying to prevent?

Certain skills became entirely different from their PvE counterparts.

Yes… and pvp & pve did great… I just finished saying in my last post that it’s a poor reason unless there is something else behind it

I would hope by know you realize that what is good for you, might not be good for them. So whether you agree or not isn’t really that relevant. Also PvP and PvE doing great is not relevant since the game had bigger issues that the separation of skills.

milo.6942:

silvermember.8941:

milo.6942:

Guys the answer is right in front of you, it’s not complicated at all. To balance pvp means to affect the builds of pve players. Pve players currently fund the game. Ergo, don’t kitten with the revenue stream. Of course then the most obvious question is why don’t they split pve and pvp balance? I don’t know. I don’t buy the responses given that it’s to help not alienate pve players when they visit pvp… just guessing but I’d lean towards there not being enough programmers and qa staff to support what amounts to a near doubling of skills. Notice also how 2 years into the game there are only a handful of new skills.

I always thought it was to prevent something like what happen in guild wars 1, but I guess that seems to logical a reason for some.

and what was it that happened to gw1 that they are trying to prevent?

Certain skills became entirely different from their PvE counterparts. Functionally different, to the point it could have just been easily named a different skill.

milo.6942:

Guys the answer is right in front of you, it’s not complicated at all. To balance pvp means to affect the builds of pve players. Pve players currently fund the game. Ergo, don’t kitten with the revenue stream. Of course then the most obvious question is why don’t they split pve and pvp balance? I don’t know. I don’t buy the responses given that it’s to help not alienate pve players when they visit pvp… just guessing but I’d lean towards there not being enough programmers and qa staff to support what amounts to a near doubling of skills. Notice also how 2 years into the game there are only a handful of new skills.

I always thought it was to prevent something like what happen in guild wars 1, but I guess that seems to logical a reason for some.

Also telling the CEO isn’t really going to help your case since the amount of hardcore PvP is an insignificant number. I think PvP only exist at this stage as a checkbox item or for legal reasons aka bait and switch.

Morderger.6298:

I dont like this “pvp doesnt make money arguement”. If this were true, then the top free pvp games wouldn’t get so much development and updates. Look at LoL and Dota, these games aren’t making money off pvp? They dish out tons of money for tournaments. Do they just print their own money then?

Anet just dropped the ball on this. Tons of people would pay for pvp if it were actually worked on like living story was. They need to removed the Hotjoin servers so people will actually use the Custom Arenas and then maybe more people would be in Solo or TeamQ. Which would maybe make thier MMR system worth something by having more then 3000 people play pvp.

Truely Custom Arenas- like ban traits or classes
More skins
More finishers
Rank Boosters
New Races
Custom Guild Cloaks
Map Editor?
Game modes?

I dunno its kinda early here, but I’m sure people can come up with 100 ways to make money off pvp.

PvP doesn’t make money for the amount of work they have to put into.and all of them require a lot of work all your examples are of MOBA not MMORPG, the expectations for things they have to sell are a little different. I don’t play MOBAs, but it seems they make money from selling champions and other random stuff.

The other problem is that because the population is so low, they don’t want to put in the resources but at the same time the population doesn’t want to play PvP because it is lacking resources aka the Wii U. Guild wars 1 the game that apparently had it all, could not generate as much income as the PvE side, what makes you think this game can?

your list shows exactly why they can’t make money. All those things you listed require a lot more work than you seem to think. New races requires voice work, armor design etc the easiest things on your list are not significant enough to generate. Also selling game modes? Nobody would be that stupid and it will be a terrible decision. Map editor? Apparently you seem to think it is easy to make especially with the engine Anet seems to have.

All you manage to do is how why Anet wont be able to make money off this mode.

Dahkeus.8243:

Evan Lesh.3295:

This still a problem? I haven’t heard any complaints since I increased the tension on 9/27/2012.

No. Your concern is appreciated, but keep focus on core features and not trivial slider stuff like this please! =)

Except that, THIS is HIS job. You are focusing on the wrong person. I guess any red tag on the PvP forum is responsible for PvP balance.

Raph is Chilled.8304:

silvermember.8941:

Since when was PvP skill related? It has always been about OP builds rolling over every other class.

this.
ANET how can you still dish out scarlet crap if such a statement cannot be considered false?

1. Maybe because PvE marks money.
2. Maybe because the LS team is not the same as the imaginary balance team this game supposedly has.

The point being the team responsible for scarlet has no business with the terrible balance this game have in PvP.

Pyriall.5027:

silvermember.8941:

Pyriall.5027:

silvermember.8941:

According to colin they are more people PvPing now that ever before. The leaderboards only show people that care to leave hotjoin, which a lot don’t.

They include WvW in the “pvp” population. In prime time, just in hotjoin there may be 5-10 full servers. That’s it, 5-10 full servers during prime time with 10 minute queues.

Except that he wouldn’t have said it in a PvP ladder thread, so unless you can read minds or have more information, why don’t you show where in this quote it says it includes WvW. Let me remind you, that they was nothing added in WvW in december that would have driven up the player numbers unlike sPvP.

Here is the quote and link. [url]https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Collaborative-Development-Ladders-Seasons/page/3#post3699860 [url]

ColinJohanson.2394:

I will add a fun fact: When rewards were updated in December, PvP saw a 40% growth in player numbers that has stayed solid ever since, the largest single jump in player participation in any game content type as a result of an update we’ve ever seen. This growth was almost entirely players who didn’t play PvP before, who suddenly became interested once it was rewarding, and I’d argue it’s not even that rewarding yet. To discount rewards as meaningless might be true to you as a player, but we consistently hear very different feedback from other players, and they make this very clear in their actions. We need to make sure players who truly care about prestige and being the best are catered to, and we need a way for players who aren’t that yet can become excited and invested and someday potentially become part of the first.

This would be the part where you show your work. Admittedly, the ever before part might have been from somewhere else.

Better than sifting through posts, I’ll ask the question here again to Allie. Do you guys include wvw in your pvp population?

So you are saying you make up the claim? In any case, Anet has also said something similar about increase numbers in WvW, but that was months before he made this comment.

Since when was PvP skill related? It has always been about OP builds rolling over every other class.