Guild Wars 2

I pick them up occasionally in Char starter area. If you do a full sweep of Ascalon you will get around 3 Chili peppers. They need Karma vendors for Chillis and vanilla beans.

I ran into a guy recently who had these icons and I asked them what they were. They were something like “spirit of owl” or something like this. He said they were a Norn consumable you could buy from an NPC in Hoelbrak. I went to Hoelbrak and searched all around with my human character, couldnt find then. Then thought maybe only Norn could use them so I switched to Norn char and couldn’t find them. I suspect maybe he didn’t mean Hoelbrak and maybe meant Wayfarer or somewhere. Anyone know where I can get these?

Vinny.6924:

They will slowly go down over the next few months. Never see them as low as 4s again.

They were key components in crafting the triforge which could immediately become ascended and pei ple did not want to wait for laurels.

Also the price before was extremely low to begin with because t6 dust is used in hands down the mosy recipes in the game. It was already an undervalued item.

In short. Yes sell now as prices will drop in my opinion.

They are key components in alot more things than triforge. The triforge isn’t even noteworthy here. There are things that I use every day that require T6 dust. I essentially need around 30 T6 dust every day and I don’t have time to farm Orr etc.

I bought “The Legend” for 480gold, then decided I didn’t want a legendary. Held onto it until I sold it for 640g. You might say I made a big profit from it, but I didn’t. Of the 160 gold increase, 96gold went to Anet via the 15% tax. Anet made more from this trade than me. It is Anet that is driving up the price on precursors.

The side ones are 10 second runs. The one right back at the rear is a nightmare for me, unless we have a (helpful) mesmer. Sometimes I have found the back wall is complete from one side of the map to the other and I still can’t find a place where I can jump over it.

rizzo.1079:

I’m pretty sure the biggest problem with dungeons is that they’re simply no fun. How hard or easy they are wouldn’t matter much if they were fun, but they’re not.

I actually agree with this. I think it partly comes down to the dungeons and the way they are designed. With most, if not all of them, they can be quite difficult until you learn how the mechanics work. This ruins the novelty of playing something new. Then you work out how those mechanics work, but by then you have played it a number of times and your just there wanting to rush through it and get the rewards. If that makes sense.

Rough night for Oceanic! Seriously I thin we were outnumbered 10:1 in EB. Had to put in some extra hours. At one point I believe SOS got up to 525 PPT. We are just recovering now and just hit 200PPT.

RedStar.4218:

For those saying that those who have level 80s should only come with their alt during the final boss, I hope you are also part of the group of players who think that certain classes don’t belong in dungeons.
And that you are using the professions that is the most suited for the dungeon, and that you have the best food buffs and potions/oils/stones. Because I find it pretty stupid to complain about under level 80 characters when you aren’t min/maxing.

Can’t speak for the others, but yeah I do use level 80 oils, stones and food as well as boosters. They also give better buffs than sub level 80s can get

I don’t think its very good ettiquette to switch to alternate. I know alot of people do it. I get people/groups who say Ïll switch at 30%", meanwhile just to make sure they get their XP they log out at 80% and waste my time soloing the boss.

Leo G.4501:

sostronk.8167:

SynfulChaot.3169:

sostronk.8167:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Speed runs require everyone to be at peak performance. Everyone can agree on that. A sub-80 can run dungeons just fine, but they will not be setting speed records, which speed runs attempt to do.

The complaint is not that sub-80s are being excluded from speed runs. It is that they are being excluded from any runs. If you are straightforward beforehand that you are doing a 80-only speed run, then you are not being elitist. If you are excluding them from any time you do a dungeon then yes, elitist.

Oh ok so you understand it will take a sub 80 longer to run a dungeon than an 80. Thats kind of the whole thing. I can only do dungeons so many times before I just want to do a quick run and get my tokens/gear/rewards. A sub 80 will slow down this process so I guess thats not such a bad thing for me to not want a player to slow down my game?

The difference in time of a straight run between equally skilled players is minimal enough to not be very noticable. With a speed run, though, where much content is skipped and avoided where it can be, every little bit, every little second helps. Many speed runs are not only level 80 only, but restricted to particular classes geared particular ways. In a speed run, that is acceptable. Extending those restrictions outside of speed runs is not.

Ah ok. So in this case, all I have to do to not be an elitist is type “speed run” and im clear of your condemnation. Easily done.

Are you sure? If you’re not linking gear, excluding professions, etc to optimize your speed run, then you’re nothing but a nub speed run. You okay with being labled an inefficient n00b?

I was thinking about using a word like “Fast run”. But I don’t know. The impression I got from synful was you just had to type “speed run” and then you were exempt from having to play with sub 80s without being labelled an elitist.

JQ NA sounds like a completely different experience from JQ Oceanic lol.

SynfulChaot.3169:

sostronk.8167:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Speed runs require everyone to be at peak performance. Everyone can agree on that. A sub-80 can run dungeons just fine, but they will not be setting speed records, which speed runs attempt to do.

The complaint is not that sub-80s are being excluded from speed runs. It is that they are being excluded from any runs. If you are straightforward beforehand that you are doing a 80-only speed run, then you are not being elitist. If you are excluding them from any time you do a dungeon then yes, elitist.

Oh ok so you understand it will take a sub 80 longer to run a dungeon than an 80. Thats kind of the whole thing. I can only do dungeons so many times before I just want to do a quick run and get my tokens/gear/rewards. A sub 80 will slow down this process so I guess thats not such a bad thing for me to not want a player to slow down my game?

The difference in time of a straight run between equally skilled players is minimal enough to not be very noticable. With a speed run, though, where much content is skipped and avoided where it can be, every little bit, every little second helps. Many speed runs are not only level 80 only, but restricted to particular classes geared particular ways. In a speed run, that is acceptable. Extending those restrictions outside of speed runs is not.

Ah ok. So in this case, all I have to do to not be an elitist is type “speed run” and im clear of your condemnation. Easily done.

Daddicus.6128:

Thanks, guys!

On the switching colors, does one world tend to stay atop the pile for long periods of time (weeks)?

Which server are you from? Things have kind of evened out lately in NA servers, so there may not be as much changing in ranks as there have been in the past (because of server transfer fee). As I understand it, EU isn’t so balanced. Google MOS millenium WvW rankings and you can check your server and score rankings and you will be able to see where your server is likely to be in the coming weeks.

One thing I don’t see in WvW that should be is the natural balancing that comes with 3 servers. If one server is ahead its kind of wise for the two other servers to target the top server, at least until the end of a round when its time to play for second place.

SynfulChaot.3169:

sostronk.8167:

SynfulChaot.3169:

This is assuming that all sub-80s are new to the dungeon. Not all are. Also, I believe I have stated that there is no problem with people doing 80-only speedruns so long as it is stated beforehand (aka when you post the LFG).

But wouldn’t that be elitist? I mean, why exclude sub 80s from speed runs?

Speed runs require everyone to be at peak performance. Everyone can agree on that. A sub-80 can run dungeons just fine, but they will not be setting speed records, which speed runs attempt to do.

The complaint is not that sub-80s are being excluded from speed runs. It is that they are being excluded from any runs. If you are straightforward beforehand that you are doing a 80-only speed run, then you are not being elitist. If you are excluding them from any time you do a dungeon then yes, elitist.

Oh ok so you understand it will take a sub 80 longer to run a dungeon than an 80. Thats kind of the whole thing. I can only do dungeons so many times before I just want to do a quick run and get my tokens/gear/rewards. A sub 80 will slow down this process so I guess thats not such a bad thing for me to not want a player to slow down my game?

SynfulChaot.3169:

Sergoros.4398:

Mayby, between each pull, u take your time and explain every little thing about next mobs and encounter? And sure u not taking this time into account, when counting time u wasted on dungeon? Also, most likely u doing full clears of dungeon. So u doing it as slow as lowlevels. It might explain why u c no difference. Im doing speedruns. So, for me, gap is just to big.

Also… As I said before, im fine with low lvl alts, they not as bad, as newbies. And newbie would allways lack experience. And skill without experince is just not enough.

This is assuming that all sub-80s are new to the dungeon. Not all are. Also, I believe I have stated that there is no problem with people doing 80-only speedruns so long as it is stated beforehand (aka when you post the LFG).

But wouldn’t that be elitist? I mean, why exclude sub 80s from speed runs?

So your just going to dungeon with sub 80s now?

Tried it once and completed it once. Not sure about any bugs, never noticed anything.

StormageddonBK.9842:

I hope it’s not all doom and gloom for Arah as I want to start farming it to get some gear for my Necromancer.

Do it with an experienced party. The first time I went in with a casual inexperienced group. Nobody had done it. We had all done SM, but that was very different. We wiped on the first mob in the first minute. Wiped on the first mob again and gave up. Also, Id recommend you farm gear for your Necro first. I know the Arah armor looks pretty good on a Necro, but dont go in with non exotics unless you like dieing.

Divinitys reach is circular!

abelooi.9156:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Sergoros.4398:

If I take them – good for them and they should be thankful that they so lucky. If not – thats how world works, not all ppl and not allways want to waste time on carrying someone.

Sub-80s do not need to be carried! And acting as if you are doing them a favour by taking them along is firmly elitist. I’d prefer a unskilled player over an elitist any day as at least they are not judgemental kittens.

Renegade.6325:

A lot of nonsense in this thread.

If you havent even got level 80 on your character, you do not know your character well, in almost all cases.

Knowledge of characters and classes does not come from level. It comes from experience, experimentation, and research. Sub-80s are well capable of all three.

You are right of course. But unless it’s friends/guildies, I believe with PUGs they usually want to minimise the risk of badly skilled players. Sub-80s are well capable of all three of course, especially if they already have multiple 80s. The thing is you don’t go into a party and holler out I have 5 80s all fully geared but just wanting to play this. And people usually are more willing to bet that a level 80 should possibly be more familiar with a game, experimented more, and did his research.

I actually preferred to look at their achievement points. That’s more telling. Usually (USUALLY, not always) if their points are high and they bring in an alt, they are usually OK. Sub-1k points with a sub-80 means they are really new with the game.

The majority of players with multiple 80s join a party with their 80, do the dungeon with their 80 and then switch to their lower level character towards the end of the boss fight.

Play the monthly event: Fix 75 signs.

Have you guys who feel “80s only” is elitist considered maybe organizing your own dungeons with sub-80s only? Serious question. The majority of us aren’t going to be persuaded, so why not even things out a bit.

akamon.2769:

is it general consensus that most people are going for the utility slotted gear for this?

back on topic, i’d go with either karmic or gilded based on what you enjoy doing more. and also, ir karmic does indeed stack with other boosts. though even if it didn’t, it’d be nice to have since you do so many events if you do PvE / WvW a lot.

mobs in open world do drop coins, but not as often or reliably as dungeon mobs do.

I presume the majority will be running utility. The +4 vitality etc are a joke. Only the level 40 fotms frequenters might run AR. You can get +15AR without the amulet which I know caters up till at least level 30 fotm.

Vol.5241:

xWESTsidex.4980:

Vol.5241:

You do know that event rewards (the exp,karma and coin) are not affected by DR right? What did you expect? More gold for each event completed?

And what do you want? Guaranteed rares in each chest?

You’re wrong. You do get hit with DR with the exp, karma, and coin.

Here is proof.

That shows nothing.

Show me another screenshot of that same event on that same character and level with different reward amounts for the gold medal.

That event at his level gives around 1.5-2k XP. It does show DR.

If you deal with the wiki mods, you might want to take a look at this as well:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dungeon

The PvE got old really quickly. Its not long before you have 100% world completion and your farming the same events over and over again with routine. In WvW, real players add a constantly changing world rather than routine. Sure, its terrible when it comes to rewards, but I like to play the game for enjoyment, not for a carrot hanging on a rope on the end of a stick.

30k win isn’t alot. It could potentially be lost in a day. Ive seen servers pull over 20k gap in a day regularly. The buffer is actually nice for committed players like myself. It gives me the freedom to go do what I want. If I want to go farm some dungeons or do some other PvE I have the freedom to do so. If I see less than a 30k lead in the last few days, it means I have to come in and contribute. So basically, its keeping the server refreshed for the next week. Then there is the morale which tends to play a big part in WvW also.

I’ll be going for the Karma infusion because I mostly WvW. If I played PvE id be going for the 20% gold. I have a character I run with over 200% Magic find and I honestly have significant doubts that Magic find is legit.

It doesn’t get much better. Claw of Jormag was exciting the first few times. Then again I realised, just stand in this spot and fire charzooka. He is still more fun than the other dragons, thanks particularly to multiple phases, but overall pretty average gameplay.

The best rush I get from this game at present is in WvW.

I tried it for a while. Im specifically interested in the Armor booster, Speed Booster and Damage booster. They seem to have a lower drop rate in BL chests though to the point where its not worth it.

Where we disagree is with the statement that “there is little difference”. Its not what I have found in my time playing the game. I do agree exclusion should not be the norm, but it is. No thread with players arguing that there is little difference is going to make a difference, because everyone who has been there and done that knows it takes a long time and can potential cause a wipe on something that would have been quite easy if we were running full 80 exotics. The only people who can change that are from Anet.

You might want to fix the wiki then:

“Fractals of the Mists is a dungeon that consists of an array of mini-dungeons called fractals, where each fractal has its own story and environment.”

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Thobek.1730:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

We basically showed that was the case last night in EB when choo farmed you guys in the lord room for like an hour and we all got about 400-500 kills and basically almost lost everything else.

The difference between servers is SoR goes where the fight is while JQ and SoS go where the fight isn’t to maximize their PPT.

Your post contradicts itself. You say JQ/SoS go where the fight isn’t yet you defended SM for like an hour. IF we didn’t go where the fight is then how did you get all those kills?

sounds like you’re making up a bad story.

We moved to EB after farming PUGS in JQ BL for a few hours because we got extremely bored and wanted a fight. So you guys were actually already in EB where all we had was a bunch of PUGS from SoR and no guilds. We took SM within 20 minutes and wiped JQ and SoS zergs non stop for about an hour until JQ decided to tap on our keep with about 40. You didn’t go to where the fight was because we had to come to you if I didn’t make that obvious enough in my post lol.

If you are talking about either of the past two nights, there were fights at your keep. JQ was fighting SOS all night over SORs keep.

There is no such thing as “real difficulty” when referring to PvE.

I could have levelled an 80 in the time some people have been arguing not being an 80 makes no difference in this thread, literally!

wish.3102:

PUG = pick up group, how is that a negative term?

Its often used as a negative term because PUGs are often less experienced players and they are often sighted doing things like repairing SM outer with SM supplies before the treb has been countered and whilst the supplies are needed for wall upgrades. But then, I have seen organized guilds doing this frequently also. They also less commonly use voicecomms and overall its alot harder to work together in a pickup group. Also, pugs are hard to predict. I will literally fight a 2v10 or 1v5. I don’t care that I am outnumbered, I like the challenge. But you can never predict with a pug whether they are going to back you, so you could actually be fighting a 1v10 which is suicide.

That said, Im a pug myself right now. Ive been in guilds before, but Im not really impressed with leadership in guilds. Its highly unlikely I would join one, unless it was my own with my own expectations and rules. But I don’t really want the commitment, so PUG it is for now.

1. Warrior. 2.Guardian

But then, if your saying your skill level is well above others, I might go for the thief.

Thats a shame. The price of mithril has gone down recently too.

The T6 sack drop rate is pretty decent. Im keen to farm them. People talk about precursors and gear, im not so keen for that reason but the mats you get from them. The best drops Ive got are from the colossus at the end who drop alot of lodestones.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Sticks.9374:

I agree that what you said here is a good example of elitism. Not bringing sub 80s to dungeons is not in fact elitism. And you can quote all the level 80’s you have and thousands of hours you have played at me you want. If someone keeps telling me that a wall is red and they show me diagrams and quote threads and go on and on and on about how this wall is red and I keep looking at it and seeing a blue wall(MY experience) I don’t care how many times you say it because MY experience has shown something else. I will do a dungeon with anyone of any class even if they are new to it but every time I have done with a sub 80 EVERY KITTEN TIME it’s ended badly so sorry sir, for me at least the wall is blue. Label me an elitist in ignorance if you want but I am one of the nicest, friendliest, social, and helpful people in game and I refuse to do it.

You still run with people who are sub-80 so I would not label you as such. And I hope you run across some sub-80s who run well so you can see that we do exist!

Oh in that case Ill point out I used to dungeon with sub 80s. Its only when I realised that they always slow the process down too much and make the dungeon substantially harder that I no longer dungeon with them.

I don’t think they will. I personally need alot of them right now and for the unforseeable future, so my judgement may be skewed. I don’t have time to farm Orr!

You can do 8 and then do 10 and get a chest for both. Then you can go 20 and get a seperate one for that etc.

Imrazir.3075:

Were I do agree it does get annoying when people only want level 80’s I can see there side. I have a big problem when people will kick you from a party because you are not a zerk warrior or the one mesmer they need for the portal.

Is it my fault I did not want to be like everyone else and play a warrior. I kind of feel like all the time and effort I put into getting my theif to level 80 was a waste. To even play the game sometimes I feel like I need to go make a zerk warrior.

Yeah that is pretty messed up. I have seen people go absolutely ballistic because someone made a mistake that cost the team 10 seconds extra to kill a boss. And Im talking full angry german kid. Some people need to chill out, it is only PvE :p I pretty much only farm dungeons to gear my chars for WvW. I don’t mind if it takes an extra minute to farm a run on CoF. I would suggest they start their own guild for dungeon farmers, but I can imagine that going down pretty badly.

SynfulChaot.3169:

sostronk.8167:

You can link me all you want. I know for a fact that the adjustments are not accurate. You are never going to convince me otherwise, unless they actually make changes to the adjustments. I will not play any dungeon with a sub level 80. I don’t care what your prerogative is, your not going to convince me to waste my time playing with them.

It is unfortunate that you will not accept any actual evidence as presented here. And if you still feel that partying with a sub-80 is a waste of time, then you are an elitist.

Call me what you like. Ive already explained I levelled to 80 without wasting anyone elses time. Meanwhile I think its pretty selfish for others to expect me to carry them and waste my time. Ive put alot of hours into the game. Its brutally obvious to anyone who has also put alot of hours into the game that being an 80 in a dungeon is alot easier than doing it in lower levels.

SynfulChaot.3169:

IndigoSundown.5419:

For the sake of discussion, let’s say your hypothesis is spot on. Let’s also assume that hypothetical group A is looking for one more 80. They get one, and don’t ask him to link gear. Your hypothesis is that they may be losing out if that 80 is under-geared. However, if they aren’t asking for gear link, there is also no guarantee that a sub-80 would be geared as well as could be, either. With an 80, there’s the chance of your 10-15% more efficiency. What is the upside for a group that has some interest in speed/efficiency of taking a sub-80 character? If there is one, does it trump the upside of that potential 10-15%?

You cannot guarantee that anyone will be fully geared. Chances are that a sub-80 will be running decent gear in dungeons as they need to. Also, please see the links here and here for information on Dynamic Leveling and how it does balance out stats between high and low level charas.

And asking to link gear is total kitten move. If I ever see this behaviour, I leave the group.

sostronk.8167:

From my experience, Id tend to find the difference between a 60 and an 80 is noticeable, particularly in the more difficult bits like Dredge (prenerf) and legendary grawl at present, to a point where stats > skill.

But this argument that skill will always be greater than stats is completely flawed. I personally experienced dungeons early and made a concious decision to level to 80 and get decent gear before I hit them up again, because I didnt want to waste other peoples time. All I expect is that the same respect I have shown to others by doing this is extended to me. Im completely cool with people who want to carry and teach lower levels to do it, as long as it isn’t my time that is being wasted.

Again, the up-leveling system used Fractals is not that effective and Fractals are designed for level 80. In Fractals, a sub-80 is a liability.

In dungeons designed for sub-80s (All but CoE and Arah), however, skill is greater than stats. That is not to say that you can run any gear efficiently, but if you run good gear for your level then Dynamic Level Adjustment will balance out stats. Again, please see the links here and here for research and information on how it works.

You can link me all you want. I know for a fact that the adjustments are not accurate. You are never going to convince me otherwise, unless they actually make changes to the adjustments. I will not play any dungeon with a sub level 80. I don’t care what your prerogative is, your not going to convince me to waste my time playing with them.

Someone said this in Teamspeak last night. They said it “toungue in cheek”, but in all honesty I agree. The most powerful of all is the Pug.

Well, there is a big difference between 1 precursor and another in terms of value. Id say I think 150 for the cheaper ones right up to the more expensive ones being up to about 300. I was going to say 400 for the more expensive ones, but then realised that was 8 months to acquire. That said, I personally dont want a legendary. I recently sold a precursor. Id have no problem if they sold them with Laurels, I personally think it would be more of a respectable way to do it over the current RNG or gold farm methods. At least if the laurel price was high enough, people will have managed to achieve something rather than just get lucky and I think thats what a legendary should have been.

Its kind of sad to see the chef food going so cheap. Doesn’t bother me though, I buy them for WvW and sell my mats instead of crafting the food myself.

taek.9386:

So funny, SOR BG and SOS people all say the same thing about JQ, while JQ posters all act dumb and deny any factual statement. Does it really hurt to admit that you guys have the best coverage of all the NA servers….

I really hope A.Net bring some decent changes to the game, otherwise all i can see is history repeating itself in wvw

Its probably just best to ignore it. As a JQ Oceanic I get outmanned buff almost every day. Last night in our borderlands, we were fighting with a ratio of around 1:10 SOS players. nD alone had more members on the map than we had in total. We were also outnumbered in EB by SOS and we were winning EB and were running close in PPT, before EB kicked us all.