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Vampiric aura on 5 allies equals a 5% personal dmg boost when you are dealing between 12-15k dps. The reality is it can actually buff more than 5 due to its pulse frequency and effect duration so it ends up being slightly better. Its still a very weak group buff for damage, as far as damage goes its better to consider it a selfish buff which you gain from having allies near you because its that small. Its barely comparable to just taking soul reaping for strength of undeath.
The real merit is the group sustain and the extra life steal you get selfishly. And obviously well cooldowns are really good for power builds and quickening thirst is pretty good for condi builds. You would never take blood magic just for vampiric aura. Its the other stuff in addition to it which makes the line desirable. And necro is certainly not worth taking just for vampiric aura.
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Chill stacks queue. If you apply first and cap or near cap you should rarely have downtime.
As far as Condi in raids go reaper is also pretty dispensable. If I was stacking Condi necros for Sabetha I would have 1 use reaper, curses, death. 1 would go curses, reaper and soul reaping (unsure about this but assuming 100% shroud uptime dhuumfire is slightly stronger than scepter auto and the burns would help with epidemic spreading). And the rest would be curses, blood and death.
If you are talking about PvE then spite is rather pointless on a condi build. For PvE you should go blood magic for most stuff. Death Magic is good when constant adds are dying around you (Sabetha).
Just split your scepter dagger across two sets. I just keep gs on when I’m lazy so I have an aoe pull at all times.
I’d be ok with gravedigger not having cooldown reduction if they buffed it up and reduced aftercast.
Condi reaper is actually pretty well balanced since without horrors and epidemic it has very low dps. It has high requirements for max efficiency. Power reaper needs a serious buff.
Thief needs to be made more rotational like the revenant.
Can I steal this and sell it to dulfy?
As far as PvE goes, Thief AA is not “too strong”. What it looks like in PvP will take a few months to settle out as people get used to the huge changes (different amulets, etc) and find niche builds that can beat other things. For the moment I would not expect it to be nerfed.
Otherwise, I agree with Cyninja.
I disagree. Its the same problem as pre patch revenant. Strong passive play and weaker active play is a poor balance and design decision.
Im less bothered by it on thief since its not a buff class. Its a rather selfish class outside of stealth. So dps should be one of its main strong suits. But it seems almost like auto attacking is better dps than using skills like heartseeker or they are marginally different. Thats some out of whack balancing. Best dps should be encouraged by rotational gameplay.
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Now you are just making stuff up. All classes are taken purely for utility or buffs. Thats what makes them popular and what makes them fun. The only class that isnt is Ele because its the top dps class. And I suppose the same could be said for necro because they have very little else to offer other than mediocre dps.
Chrono is lucky since its range of utility will never fall out of popularity. Before chrono mesmers were still meta because of portals, timewarp and reflects. Now they have even more tools. The other classes just need their utility range to be brought up to par or given encounters which further encourage them.
Oh i completely understand why people do it. I just dont see why people try and justify it on a public forum. Its beyond absurd. And rather pathetic. Id be ashamed to admit i do or even support something this cheesy. And even if i wasnt i certainly wouldnt try to justify my actions.
It’s because they (well…we) were pretty content to cheese our way through tedious or difficult encounters and don’t have a strong need to prove our skill. Some people think the sole purpose of fractals and dungeons is to provide challenging content, but a lot of us enjoy them for completely different reasons. And differing opinions make for more interesting discussion.
Thats exactly my point. Why are you justifying your actions on a public forum if you dont need to prove your skill.
Its almost as if people who are justifying it are against the idea that extreme exploiting is wrong and shouldnt be fixed. And this is coming from someone who actually doesnt have a problem with most exploits.
The way i see it is if you dont care and you take part. You just keep quiet and accept how things are. The idea of speaking up and justifying your own crimes instead of supporting the fixing of said exploits is rather ridiculous.
Extreme exploits like these should never be justified or encouraged in public. And they certainly shouldnt be common practise or widely known. The real jokers are those that immediately went to find the next spot straight after a fix though. Thats some real dedication to cheese.
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Oh i completely understand why people do it. I just dont see why people try and justify it on a public forum. Its beyond absurd. And rather pathetic. Id be ashamed to admit i do or even support something this cheesy. And even if i wasnt i certainly wouldnt try to justify my actions.
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You can key bind chat codes for various stacks. So yes you can do it just as fast.
Mesmer is still OP in raids it’s K.
Condi warrior everyone saw that nerf coming miles away. If you made ascended gear for condi warrior you had to know this was a likely chance and you had to know what you were risking.
But is condi warrior still worth bringing at all? That’s the thing most of us are probably wondering.
IMO, it’s alright if you…
1. Need ranged DPS
2. Need that DPS to be condi based
3. Don’t have a condi reaper geared upIf you fit those three then it’s probably your best bet.
Kinda confused now, dekeyz said on reddit it’s on engi level? Are you saying condi reaper beats engi too dps-wise?
They are all actually roughly equal, but condi reaper has tricks you can do with double epidemic if you have 2+ Reapers or jagged horrors that make it powerful. In a random group, I would say warrior is fine because it has banners to contribute etc. But DPS-wise they are all in the same ball park now, ignoring Epidemic and JH stuff.
I’m curious about this statement. Yes I agree reaper tricks bring it up and above other Condi builds. But without them I have always found Condi necro quite a bit below the rest. I did some quick calcs a while back and without horrors or epidemic, dps was lower than power builds.
I’m talking strictly from a Vale Guard green AOE team POV so it would be a bit different than comparing to another boss or a full melee dps role.
Ah that makes more sense. Still ive generally found engi to be better in that role as well. Maybe thats just because im very comfortable with getting to green fast and now have enough practise on engi to keep the rotation quite consistent inbetween movements.
I don’t get why people are trying to justify a safespot.
Because not everyone is a masochist who enjoying beating a giant bag of HP while trying to see small animations inside a firework show. Every day, 2 times minimum.
You love it? Great. But don’t expect everyone be like you.
Never once said i love it. I still dont see how it being boring is justification for making it even more boring and completely cheesing the fight. Safespotting is an obvious exploit. Theres no grey area with it. Personally i wish GM’s took a bit more of an aggressive approach when it comes to clear cut exploits like this. But meh.
And you dont have to do Mossman 2 times a day. You could branch out. You made the conscious decision to choose the same fractals for dailies because you want rewards through the path of least resistance. So surely your boredom should not even be a factor. And as ive pointed out its not hard and its actually much faster to do it legit. So it makes no sense from a reward standpoint.
I don’t do mossman or frac dailies if you’re thinking I’m trying to justify safe spotting. I think the entire encounter is trash and needs to be changed and pretending it’s exciting to do DPS rotations is just masking the real issue w/ boring instabilities and boring fights.
Never said its exciting. But thats a completely separate issue….
I don’t get why people are trying to justify a safespot.
Mesmer is still OP in raids it’s K.
Condi warrior everyone saw that nerf coming miles away. If you made ascended gear for condi warrior you had to know this was a likely chance and you had to know what you were risking.
But is condi warrior still worth bringing at all? That’s the thing most of us are probably wondering.
IMO, it’s alright if you…
1. Need ranged DPS
2. Need that DPS to be condi based
3. Don’t have a condi reaper geared upIf you fit those three then it’s probably your best bet.
Kinda confused now, dekeyz said on reddit it’s on engi level? Are you saying condi reaper beats engi too dps-wise?
They are all actually roughly equal, but condi reaper has tricks you can do with double epidemic if you have 2+ Reapers or jagged horrors that make it powerful. In a random group, I would say warrior is fine because it has banners to contribute etc. But DPS-wise they are all in the same ball park now, ignoring Epidemic and JH stuff.
I’m curious about this statement. Yes I agree reaper tricks bring it up and above other Condi builds. But without them I have always found Condi necro quite a bit below the rest. I did some quick calcs a while back and without horrors or epidemic, dps was lower than power builds.
Pretty sure you make it boring by killing it slowly while afking on a pole. He doesn’t have that much health and its not that bad when fighting legit.
You can macro chat binds.
Why are you forced to do anything? I switched from Revenant to power Necro and we got farther after I did. Now my main team wants me on my necro
Lets try to avoid disregarding a valid point by mentioning personal perceptions.
Just another thing to contribute to athritis. :>
Doesnt it take longer to split a stack of insights than it does to change a chat code?
Newsflash. You do actually need dps to kill stuff.
People are always going to optimise. So that means they will always take as much damage as they can. How else can they optimise? Heal a boss to death? Tank a boss to death? CC a boss to death? Please…
The important thing is raid bosses do have mechanics that cannot be ignored purely by dpsing. So they are exactly what you are asking for. It just so happens that people realise they also need damage to damage bosses. Surprising right?
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Chilling Darkness has an ICD.
Chilling darkness has an ICD.
Check out raids. They have pretty much exactly what you described. :P
Sorry its actually over 225g. Prices are about 16-17g and you actually need more than 9 total due to collection consuming. You need 13 in total.
Also did you totally ignore my last paragraph. I said i dont mind achievements being big gold sinks. I just dont agree with where the value and cost sits.
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Its over 225 gold for the achievement at current prices. It was more than that. I think the problem is the high cost item is the low tier item. It wouldnt be so bad if the higher tier collection items were expensive and the lower tier ones were more common and cheaper.
Saying it adds valuable drops to fractals is a pretty silly. Yeah sure it does add a valuable drop to the easiest fractals. But why should the easiest fractals be the most rewarding. And when its this uncommon it can hardly be counted as an influence on average fractal drop value. And in reality the reason its so expensive is because they rarely drop. Ive never seen any of the collection items drop myself.
All that said. I dont really see a problem with an achievement being a big gold sink like this. My only gripe is that the main value item is awarded on the easiest fractals (albeit very rarely).
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Corrupt Boon change could potentially be a big buff to condi necros/reapers.
Chilling Nova is a minor buff to both condi reaper and power reaper.
Dark pact boon corrupt will be a nice QoL improvement for power builds. And will help with overall sustainable boon control on power necros.
Other than that they dont effect PvE much at all.
Id say the most impactful is Corrupt Boon because of its self condi on a 10 second cooldown. Problem is you need traited offhand dagger to fully utilise that. So on Sabetha you would have to drop Reaper and Deathly Chill which is actually already a wise move just so you can take Soul Reaping for Spectral Mastery. So im not really sure what to take for Sabetha anymore. On everything else its just a flat buff as you dont need Death Magic. And Jagged Horrors arent as reliable on moving bosses so you can always take blood then.
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They nerfed scorched earth. But condi warrior overall is still strong.
I’m not an expert but I believe the alacrity nerf also adversely affects their DPS (as in, they were more dependent on the alacrity than some other classes) But yes, they should still be viable.
Nah alacrity doesnt have as much an effect as people think. In reality the alacrity nerf probably wasnt even justified. If they felt damage was too much it would have made more sense to nerf ele and quickness. The alacrity nerf does hit high cooldown skills the most. So ele was probably hurt the most. But ele is still the best for raw damage despite that. Even more so now that fresh air got a nice buff.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/The-actual-effect-of-quickness-and-alacrity/first
They nerfed scorched earth. But condi warrior overall is still strong.
Condi warrior is still very strong. Its just not broken anymore. The overreactions to a slight nerf are rather hilarious.
What???
So get on ts, skype, a neutral forum, guild chat, etc. (its 2016, there are enough channels to communicate). The current discussion about BDO aren’t even related to dungeons there. It’s just smoke and mirrors to advertise in a dead topic which does not get closed due to mods sleeping.
Except a forum is the best format for this type of discussion. I dont have enough free time to jump on teamspeak/skype everytime i want to mention 1 thing. And not everyone is in the same guilds or logged on at the same time. And going to a forum where noone i want to converse with is active would be even more pointless. Come on man. At least make some sense when trying to go all dictator on us.
oh god my hands are cramping all DEM SLIDERSSSS
Tamer master race. Or rather, master class.
Game must be super interesting if you find the time to post nonsense on a different games message board in a thread which even has nothing to do with your message.
Then again, have to advertise mediocre games that underperform expectations don’t we?
Wow you’re really upset.
The game’s not out, it comes out in march.
I imagine if it didn’t meet expectations, they wouldn’t be localizing it for the west, though.
Why would I be upset?
I’m not the one hijacking a thread with a topic which has nothing to do with:
A. Guild Wars 2
B. the thread itsself
C. on an issue that had quite a few people rilled or confusedI’m pretty sure the BDO has its own forums and community groups where people are stocked about the game. I just find the notion to bring these topics to other MMO forums sad and pointless.
We get it, you’ve found a new toy to hope for. It’s not like this hasn’t happened before. Oh look, a new MMO that is going to be better in every single way than all the ones before it (see latest BnS hype which is slowly dying down).
The only reason for people to do steps 1-3 is to aggravate others due to boredom or whatever other reason. There are subgroups, forums, communities, etc. these discussions are there for. This thread is certainly not it.
In case you didnt know this thread is a community thread. There is no set in stone topic. These threads were originally created as a casual chat platform for the community. As members of the dungeon community we are free to post a few offtopic things so long as we dont go overboard. Going to the BD forums would serve absolutely no purpose since i want to discuss such off topic matters with other guildwars 2 dungeon community members.
There are countless of off topic posts in this thread, part 1 and part 2. You are the first to get upset over it.
If anything you are the only one trying to aggravate others. Dont be a kitten.
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Well either way they need to change something. Going for a second phalanx is certainly the right move. As full group might will make a huge difference. Having 3 necros is wasteful on anything other than Sabetha since they are too selfish. So yeah sure they can probably do it with that comp. But they would need to up their game to that of top tier players and make sure builds/gear is up to a high standard. Switching a few classes to create a more ideal composition basically does the same thing with a bit more room for mistakes.
Yeah but I guarantee when you actually have a Job you will be saying “I wish I had as much time as I did as a student”. Your perspective switches.
The sorceror looks almost like liv Tyler by default.
So I didn’t recognise ur take on her because its different. Still pretty good.
As a student you should have plenty of time to do all that.
Why dont you make your DPS/CC warrior switch to phalanx? Or 1 of your 3 necros swap to a phalanx warrior. Then you have more flexibility in finding a 10th person.
But if you are struggling now on VG. Then you are all going to have to be more open to changing your builds and composition if you want to beat Gorseval and so on in the future. Raids arent something you can just play whatever you like and expect to win.
Good luck anyway.
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oh god my hands are cramping all DEM SLIDERSSSS
Tamer master race. Or rather, master class.
Game must be super interesting if you find the time to post nonsense on a different games message board in a thread which even has nothing to do with your message.
Then again, have to advertise mediocre games that underperform expectations don’t we?
Someones seriously edgy.
I tried the character creation tool last night. Its too much for my simple brain. But it looks like we can share designs. Tamers look best but i want to play Sorceror. So ill prob just download a design someone else made and then tweak slightly from that… When the game eventually comes out.
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29 Insights
- 1 Assaulter’s Sparking Dagger
- 1 Malicious Spirit Ward
- 1 Talisman of Manton (http://i.imgur.com/BPChWSl.png)
- 7 Mini’s (2 Mini "knuckles, 2 Mini Gorsevals, 1 Mini Karde, 1 Mini Vale Guardian and 1 Mini Blue Guardian)
Bought the ghostly infusion and sold it this week. Most those drops were actually in the first 3 weeks. Since then ive got nothing but exotics. Suppose i should be thankfull on getting 2 unique skins early, and a unique amulet. Doesnt look like ill get any more ascended.
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Id expect thief to become the new standard tank assuming the damage buffs are good. Other classes have a bit of difficulty maintaining dps rotations while tanking. Whereas thief tanks by dealing maximum damage. So yeah.
And personally id prefer the chrono not to tank so they can focus on quickness and alac sharing while dealing better dps. Its awkward enough on its own especially when subgroup swapping. Adding tank role into that as well just makes it a headache. Really hate playing chrono tank on VG because of this. Maybe im just a bad chrono though. :P
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Its not true for reaper at least. Technically we cap bleeds easily. Except our bleed trait changes base duration so that ignores cap.
I actually think current system is better bar the poorly implemented rewards and dailies and the instabilities.
Being able to pick is great. We just need the dailies to not encourage swamp spam. More specific dailies would help.
Go for sinister trinkets. I do raids and I still don’t have any vipers trinkets.
Oh it has no target limit? You know thats going to get fixed sooner or later.
But even so i would still say a second dragonhunger is overkill due to probable aegis overwrite. And you still lack overall group dps in other areas.
So i would say use DH, Chrono, Herald, druid, 2 PS warriors, 3 condi reapers and 1 condi ele/war. Then you can use epi strat in addition to aegis abuse.
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lol when this gets patched, no one will bother with the fractal anymore, some dedicated will, but as most people couldn’t tank moss man at that level you will see maybe 1 or 2 parties, and they will take awhile to fill, this is about balance and Anet have to see the problem,
Moss Man, and the Vet Wolves hit hard at higher levels, so hard they could down you in 1 or 2 hits, oh but wait I can dodge the attack, WHAM I just lost all boons that where protecting me, and now here comes a random condition followed by oh look im dead.
People will always find the fastest, easiest way to do content, and the current way is the fastest and easiest, that should tell Anet that something is wrong, and people are not enjoying the level so are using a work around to beat it……
Pretty sure you haven’t touched high level fractals without the pole since the patch. Seeing as everything hits like a wet noodle now. They nerfed mob/boss damage into the ground.
Which is an assumption on your part rather than fact. Yes, mob damage is down but that is actually to promote a variety of builds to be workable. With higher damage that was so high that building defensive wasn’t an option (you would get instagibbed anyway) there was actually no reason not to go full dps. Now there is.
I do think they need to fix the instabilities before they fix anything else. Being punished for dodging (aka good play) is part of the reason people don’t want to do high level fractals in a normal way.
50 only ever had 1 shots on glass eles and maybe thieves on very specific attacks on specific bosses. Scale 90-100 doesnt even 2 shot glass eles now. It was nerfed into the ground.
Also. Are you “Ok I Did It.2854”? Because if not how can you assume to represent him?