Guild Wars 2

Leuca.5732:

I like how your analysis completely ignored the ranger. This patch was pathetic for all the fuss that was made about it, and it’s not giving PvP the help it needs fast enough.

I edited it a little. I didn’t look too deep into Rangers. They’d been changed significantly in a previous patch and not a lot was done aside from improving Sic ’Em greatly and some significant pet changes.

I don’t think Rangers needed much? Spirits are still viable and work well; power Ranger works decently.

Stark.1350:

And here all I’m reading is “wahhh, pvp is broken/ignored” or “wahhh, my build can’t kill people in one hit.”

I’m curious as to where you read that at? I stated that I thought nothing was broken and all is in good balance aside from some tweaks that could be made. I really think PvP looks good right now.

I honestly think the patch did quite a bit and is helping the balance.

Warrior: It helped get rid of a lot of the broken stun mechanics that could be used. I think stun-locking will still be viable, but not nearly as broken as it was.

Thief: S/D evades are still a bit unreasonable, but their boon strip has been knocked down to 1 for LS which definitely helps. Perhaps we’ll see a pistol main hand build in the meta now for the lockdown (I believe there already was one for condi-damage but I’ve never seen in it a team queue before).

Necromancer: Not a whole lot done aside from QoL things and siphoning. I still believe a previous patch fixed necros mostly; I don’t find them to be broken at all.

Elementalist: Just a lot of changes in general to support ele support. I’m unsure of whether or not they’ll be viable, but I think you’ll see a lot of testing with them and in general more gameplay (for tournaments though? That’s up in the air and will really be determined by what Demise and other ele’s think).

Engineer: Some good buffs for them. I feel like the bomb kit buff was necessary but I think overall they’re pretty strong right now which is good.

As for other classes…I don’t think much changed (edit: aside from ranger, which I didn’t look too deep into aside from pet changes; AND Guardian; lots of good stuff with them that will better their overall play which is great!), which can be good or bad.

I just want to post this so I can see how many people reply with their complaints about broken classes; because right now there is no “one” “God-Like” class that shines above all else.

EDIT: I got a reply for this in another thread about the Warrior. This was in reference to the paralyzation sigil that was absolutely broken, especially on a build like Crysis runs. I think escaping stun-locks like such will be easier, especially with the fix on getting out of launches/knockbacks immediately after you pop your stun break (which was very annoying previously).

The patch did a lot. Helped solve a Warrior issue and helped balance s/d thief somewhat; evades are still broken, but they do less boon strip which is a bonus.

As far as classes being broken, I literally see nothing that stands out. Anyone who is QQing about things being unreasonably broken is just mad that their spec can’t beat it. Mesmers aren’t broken, yet they destroy most warrior builds.

DXIEdge.2789:

Lol

Wait

What?

They werent kidding about this?

….

MILA. DEKU. THEY’RE DOING IT. THEY’RE kittenING DOING IT

They’re not doing it. This actually is NOT happening in the patch today.

What do you expect from solo queue? It’s where people kitten and play whatever they want to. Demise plays his thief. AK plays his thief (Biebs). Toker probably plays his Ranger (no, just kidding, he only plays thief).

My point is… it’s not competitive and no one really cares about playing to be super competitive in solo queue. That can be due to lack of reward from ArenaNet which I’m sure they’re in the process of fixing.

Also, why do people refer to themselves as “Top 200 solo queue rank” or “Top 50 solo queue rank”? It’s solo queue, it shows nothing because of the lack of reward due to people playing alt classes, thus not 100% trying to win.

Warrior counter = any decent Mesmer.

Vouch for Marvin <3

Mepheles.2087:

tichorum.2415:

Mepheles.2087:

tichorum.2415:

Mepheles.2087:

This game’s style of PvE revolves around 5 Zerker geared players bursting down a boss while ignoring most mechanics. You want 10 (20) more of these trying to burst down a raid style boss? For what? Skins?

They should make you pass a reading test before allowing you to post on the forums. Please re-read and comment again. Thanks.

I read it, then posted, then read the edited OP. I stand by what I Said. Raiding is NOT for this game, currently. It’s not just the zerker argument, it’s the way PvE itself is designed. Raiding in other games is based around the fact that there will be a Tank(s), and Healer(s) and several DPS Dealers, which means hard hitting bosses can hit hard but it can be eaten by Mitigation and healing. Gw2 does not have a healer type nor a tank type or anything like. PvE here revolves around dodging key one shot skills. If raid style mechanics come into play, they must be hard hitting, or extremely fatal so every one doesn’t run damage and brings support and utility.

A raid is like a dungeon except harder and amped up. So DO TELL how it’s not meant for GW2, because there ARE dungeons. GW2 does have classes that can dish out support and damage. And believe it or not, some classes tank damage better than others. You have to coordinate it, hence, raids being more difficult. If this is just something your skill will not allow you to do, please don’t cry about a suggestion.

Now, you’re starting to get angry, saying I’m crying when I’m giving feedback about your suggestion. Yes some classes can eat damage better because of high toughness and boons. And some can bring support skills like Haste and reflections, banners and such. But then, how many guardians would you need for a 10m raiding style dungeon? 2. And they would have to be in Zerker STILL, because they would be lacking damage, which PvE is all about, no matter WHAT coordination a guild can bring.

No, your argument is invalid. What do you mean how many guardians would you need? That the point of coordinating the whole thing.

No, they wouldn’t have to be zerker. That’s on ArenaNet to make sure the boss works toward supporting classes that can take damage and not need to dish out massive damage. Classes would need to take turns receiving damage, using AoE healing, etc. That’s the whole point of a raid. That’s the whole point of harder content. Hell, that’s the point of the new Tequatl boss: to coordinate that stuff.

I’m a PvPer, but I LOVE to PvE as well. I haven’t been in the loop with raiding, but can I get a non-kitten-towards-ArenaNet answer (meaning not "Never. ANet doesn’t care about the players)?

I’m actually starting to play TERA’s PvE because I’m so bored with GW2 PvE. Sure, Tequatl and other world bosses can seem like raiding, but it’s not. I want actual raiding. I don’t know what ANet plans with their new rewarding system coming up, but hopefully they can reward more than just gold with a raid. I want some kitten raid-only skins for armor.

Also… as much as people hate it, I would love to see PvE gear progression. It’s the only logical choice aside from skins with rewarding players in dungeons/raids better.

EDIT:

To elaborate a little more: I’m bored of GW2 PvE. The bi-weekly DLC packs are what maybe 50% of players want, while the rest want hard-content such as permanent raids, better rewarding, etc. The rewarding for everything (including PvP) is dull. It all rewards cosmetics or gold.. which lead to more cosmetics. Cosmetics are fine, but they’re way too easy to obtain. Raid-only skins. PvP-only skins. Either that or PvE gear progression is the way to go. I can’t see any other solution.

Lastly, can we get some BAM’s? More than just the open-world bosses? I want to see a raid with the Flame Legion in some massive citadel and the final boss is a Flame Legion general on a giant drake. How cool would that be?

In conclusion.. the DLC packs are starting to get old. Sure, continue with them as some people like. But why not move a team or two of Living Story producers to hard-content such as raids, better rewarding, etc. The typical ANet response will be “We’re working on it”. You’d better work on it fast, because Wildstar and EQ Next are right around the corner.

LegendaryLukeee.1462:

Everyone either quit, went on a hiatus, or are causal players now cause of the pvp development. If the game mode gets better in the future, people may come back, but for now it is what it is.

“Everyone” did not quit that streams on that. A number of those streamers still play all the time.

wux.7314:

Ok so I play WvW mostly but love to SPVP sometimes too. I often think it is very unfair though that SPVP does not reward players with gold. Why should WvW players get gold and SPVP players none? SPVP players need gold too… Even if it is only 1s per victory. Why should every other game area give gold apart from SPVP? Many SPVP players do other content so why should they be penalised fanatically when they SPVP? Some players only SPVP and how is it fair that they can never get any gold?

My suggestion is to keep this thread bumped until anet does something about this ridiculous issue that has been in game since release or at least acknowledges it…

Thanks

THANK YOU for this post and not QQing about 1,000 other things. Just a simple suggestion post. Thank you!

Krayiss.4926:

If anet would stop making 3 different game this would all have ended by now.

Make it ALL pvp combat.

Make all the pve fights more like pvp. Give the enemies some human AI and let the game have tougher fights.

Discuss how Anet could accomplish this.

Just change PvE fights so that PvP style skills work is all.

You’re just telling them to do something. No real suggestions. No evidence of anyone wanting this. Everyone wants them to separate PvP skills from PvE and changing the balance that way. It’s what they SHOULD do. Your post is impractical and moronic.

Lordrosicky.5813:

The res is boring, OP and lame. Aoe healing signet. Full condi cleanse, massive res of often 2 players on a tiny cast time. Only 180 cooldown on the skill.

Man it is just so OP.

Other spirits also OP and boring. 1 spam. Literally no skill. It is is the definition of no skill. Stand in healing spring and spam 1 = wins alot.

Can’t see a thing amongst all the BS they do. They block your attacks.

It is lame AND overpowered. But mainly lame. The res spirit just demoralises me everytime I see it.

Please just delete AI specs. Make it totally unviable with a huge nerf.

Then good rangers can shine again and Ai clutter and lameness can go away.

I think this is QQ thread number 12 or 13 for you? I’ve lost count.

jmatb.6307:

The ideal composition is the one that wins the majority of matches against all levels of opponents.

It’s a lot more simple than what you’re trying to articulate. If a class doesn’t have the tools to be competitive and work well with your teammates, then it’s not worth your time.

If you can make it work and you go on winning streaks, beat highly ranked teams, and find yourself looking down on the competition good job people will notice and start copying your builds.

Until then, everything you’ve thought of in your post is theory. Get a team and try it out!

You say “copying your builds” like it doesn’t happen in every competitive game. It’s taking what works and using it. Not all top tier teams run the same thing, so saying that like every team copied one team and all run the same thing is invalid.

Anyone that argues that all top tier teams run the same thing must not be in the top-tier team loop and are simply stating that because the level of play they’re at is simply not top-tier and you WILL see the same team compositions at your level.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Yes. You have to play warrior to be sexessfull in pvp.
Also spirit ranger. If you want to be serious, play anything which is lame, overpowered and fotm, otherwise you will be a random scrub.

Learn the basics of those fotm builds.
After that you can legitimately call yourself master.

You also need to know how to spell to be successful.

Your post is so troll.

kitten 5 gold. Big stakes.

I agree with Guts, not so sure about Super (that match could have went either way IMO).

Anyhow, just allowing casters to do this for tournaments would be HUGE.

Svarty.8019:

We all know how massively OP stun is. It needs to be removed entirely from the game as, in this form, it’s just an I-win button at the moment.

The difference between knowing its NOT OP and is OP is skill. That is the one thing that you and all others who think stun is OP lack.

No the tournament went very well viewer-wise for being announced two days ahead of time. Great job overall.

I’d consider MLG big.

Anyhow, congrats to Denial.

Mathias.9657:

WoW > GW2 pvp

and that’s bad. pvp in that game has been trash since BC but I’d much rather get CC chained into oblivion than play conquest 24/7.

I wonder how long ANet are going to ignore the community and refuse to put GvG in, the staple of the entire series… zzz. I guess it would suck anyway since all the old devs are gone now.

All they can do is attempt better balance, but this games pvp will always suck.

Grats on esports though, enjoy your 100 views.

You left out a “0” in the 100. ^^

Motoko.2875:

tichorum.2415:

Motoko.2875:

tichorum.2415:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

to get into the top16 it just requires to play the game. I doubt there are more than 16 srs guilds left in this game.

Any team can play in PvP. Though the people that say stuff like you just said and say the PvP is easy typically get stomped by the better teams.

No. Not at all.

Although people that are clueless say what you just said.

I can assure you I’m not clueless. I did, in fact, partake in the MLG tournament. I’m just putting a spotlight on the ignorance that occurs within threads like such (not necessarily saying you).. “PvP is easy”.. “Get in the top 16 teams to be competitive” – Sure people can say that all they want, but I’m yet to see a player who says that and is actually on a good well-known team.

The problem is a lot of people that share your belief are people that are successful in a game where not much competition exists. The argument “oh there were qualifications to get into the MLG must mean there is competition” does you or anyone holding that belief no good. The point we try to make is that despite your success making that 8 team cut for the MLG – It was against players who are left after almost every serious competitor left to go to a PvP game that takes PvP seriously.

You might say people can say that, but I do know people who have been highly successful or skilled in other competitive MOBAs certainly wouldn’t have a problem given commitment to this game in excelling at it.

Every comparison Decryptor makes is in regards to the competitive scene of GW1. When he says “get to the top 16”, he meant the top 16 teams of 8 players in tournament cuts for Guild Wars 1 PvP when there were easily more than 1000 teams of 8 competing.

Hopefully that helps you understand where we are coming from.

The fact that there are big tournaments in Guild Wars 2 PvP that are happening and that the competitive teams enjoy the playing the game competitively make every post anyone has ever made about this game being easy, not fun, or another QQ post because someone hasn’t figured out how to kill a S/D thief yet, invalid.

I agree with you that “not much” competition exists, but competition is still there. There are more than 8 good teams. I’d been in the loop with MLG since the invites were first sent out and they went through MULTIPLE teams that couldn’t make the designated time for the tournament (EU and NA teams).

There is a bright future for PvP, I can assure you that. I’d be willing to bet that there is A LOT of BIG PvP stuff coming within the next couple of months. Anyone willing to bet against me please seek me in-game and we’ll make a bet for like several million gold that I don’t have because I know I’ll win the bet. <3

Motoko.2875:

tichorum.2415:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

to get into the top16 it just requires to play the game. I doubt there are more than 16 srs guilds left in this game.

Any team can play in PvP. Though the people that say stuff like you just said and say the PvP is easy typically get stomped by the better teams.

No. Not at all.

Although people that are clueless say what you just said.

I can assure you I’m not clueless. I did, in fact, partake in the MLG tournament. I’m just putting a spotlight on the ignorance that occurs within threads like such (not necessarily saying you).. “PvP is easy”.. “Get in the top 16 teams to be competitive” – Sure people can say that all they want, but I’m yet to see a player who says that and is actually on a good well-known team.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

to get into the top16 it just requires to play the game. I doubt there are more than 16 srs guilds left in this game.

Any team can play in PvP. Though the people that say stuff like you just said and say the PvP is easy typically get stomped by the better teams.

It was a very fun tournament to participate in. I think we’ll be seeing more of those in the future!

Fun fact: If it’s so easy for all of you, why aren’t you on a team that participates in the tournaments?

Staff ele op.

I see all of these people who say that sPvP is really easy, yet I’ve never seen their name on a team that’s been in PAX or the MLG tournament.

Interesting..

NornBearPig.9814:

I wonder how much MLG is getting paid off to let GW2 in.

Someone’s a little upset.

Since beta.

Go GW2 eSports <3

• Insert something I can’t beat* : * Insert thing how to nerf it* : * Don’t insert a reason behind the nerf*

• Insert something I need for my class to beat everyone that I normally can’t beat* : * Insert amount to buff it by* : * Insert that it would make me a better player because I can’t play a game that already is 75% skill spam*

Another QQ thread about what you can’t beat.

Daecollo.9578:

Can you please make Asura Bigger/Give them the same animations as humans in SPVP only? Its quite ridiculous how much of an advantage they have over other races.

I can’t even tell if they are using an attack, or dodging. It looks exactly the same, the particle effects also drown them out.

Its worse then fighting Oddjob in goldeneye.

Wait wait wait…

It’s a lot worse THEN fighting Oddjob? So you fight the Asuran first..then Oddjob?

vVv

/15chars//

Yep, devs gave us free loss. Thanks Anet.

Your update really screwed things up. It let us queue but then we couldn’t get in the game. Then the patch Finally updated and we all got a loss because of it.

DusK.3849:

Have you ever seen a horse in Tyria?

In Kryta…

Why not add cosmetic mounts. Obviously mounts are for looks, but even then, screw the movement speed, what about just having a mount for the looks.

Imagine riding a horse without the speed boost, I would LOVE that. It would add a whole new dimension to rewarding players. It’s like mini pets BUT PEOPLE ACTUALLY CARE. Why? Because you’re riding it around, it’s not a little pet on the ground no one can see or cares about.

Allow PvP-only mounts that can be used in PvE and WvW as well. Like I said, no movement boost, just for the looks.

S: Warrior- , Necro-
A: Engineer+, Mesmer+, Guardian, Thief-, Ranger-
B: Ele+

People underestimate the burst of a mesmer. It’s beyond ridiculous and almost in the superior category.

Ottohi.2871:

Guess I’ll start this.

S tier – - – - – - – - -
No one here

A tier – - – - – - –
Necro+
The good ones have great survivability AND damage as well as a good stunbreak or two.

Guardian
BLOCK, BLOCK, BLOCK, BLOCK, and now you’re on fire!

Engie-
Can CC and such pretty well to do their damage. Have obvious counters.

B tier – - – - – - –
Mesmer
Avg damage, avg survivability, above avg befuddlement and has good surprise bursts sometimes.

Warrior
Good damage, good to awesome stability, good hard CC, as much hp as necro until death shroud. Usually has one hole in their build that will always be there that can be exploited until they die.

Thief
(Still in stealth)

Elementalist-
Seemingly below avg in almost always survivability or damage. Wouldn’t mind seeing them get a buff.

Ranger’s a difficult one* to place. After most of my fights it could be B- or C+. So I’ma just mark it here like so. Reasoning is that they either kick my butt after those crazy blocks/evades or I run up and touch them and they die =/.

*Forum fun fact: Type the words “hard” followed by “one” and it’ll output “kittene”.

LOL @ this post.

Every class has a stunbreak or two..

There were over 2,000 just on Blu’s stream for two teams that aren’t even “that well-known”, if you know what I mean.

That’s quite impressive for the first ESL tournament. It went well and congrats to TP!

Also, GW2 is played competitively. Perhaps not as competitively as it has potential for and perhaps will be in the coming months. Nevertheless, it is considered an “eSport” by definition terms.

Ewps. Someone’s mad.

You have no supporting evidence. You’re just stating that Rangers are bad.

Jon, thank you for the great post.

I was hoping for a preview of upcoming features, however. More than what was mentioned in the SOTG. A range of release and what may be coming sooner than other features?

I don’t glory farm, but DO explain how it doesn’t take time.

Mesmers are good. Like, VERY good. Just not good in the condi meta. No changes should be made to them IMO.

Evan Lesh.3295:

The updates exclusive to PvE and PvP are hard to compare. Almost all PvP features require very intensive programmer and server support like solo queue, matchmaking, custom arenas, spectator mode, etc. Living story updates leverage existing technology to advance the story and expand content with new mobs, crafting recipes, dungeons, etc. PvP has few areas expandable by content; the main feature being maps which we release regularly. Balance updates affect all parts of the game and don’t come out for one any faster for one than the other.

This is crap.

Yeah, SURE, it’s more extensive programming. But you have like 70 people doing Living Story.

How many on PvP? 2. Maybe 3. Yeah. ANet wants GW2 as an eSport.

Arachnid.4062:

Yeah! Give pvp balancing over to the people who know nothing about pvp or balancing!

+1

Are you incompetent? I said aside from PvP balance.

I was talking features.