Guild Wars 2

Vix.6730:

egzius.9031:

welcome to gw, where ppl complained that bi-weekly releases too often. now they got what they wanted.

Wrong. We wanted bigger updates and wouldn’t mind waiting longer.

And we got it, this update was big, BF was at least bigger than half of DT when we it comes down to playable space as well as fully voiced story instance.

SoulEater.2689:

This patch was pretty meh, not really surprised. The living story episode was very short, felt rushed and highly predictable. While the new fractal was alright at best for using rehashed stuff. It’s not saying much since we haven’t had a new one since 2013 ish ? And we won’t get anything more for another several months. I haven’t logged on in weeks and thought maybe anet would release something decent for this patch, wrong as usual. It’s back to other games for another 2-3 months. I honestly don’t know why I even hope to expect anything from anet but shallow crap. I don’t know why ppl didn’t like the bi weekly releases in 2013 , to me it was the most fun I’ve ever had in this game with scarlet and all that . Guess I’m just hanging on to false hope and good fun and memories with the guild mates that used to login . This game is going downhill bad.

Have you tried the new map? People nowadays look back with nostalgia goggles forgetting the glaring flaws of S1 and S2. This patch brings a full new maps packed with content as well as fully voiced story instance, which is so much more than S1 ever could offer in half a season.

SwiftFishy.2643:

I would say that theyre literally killing it. Nothing has really brought the game “back to life”. Seems like they just ran out of ideas and have no idea wat to do…

Ummm what? Anet implemented so many good changes this patch, what are you talking about?

Me too man. Loved this episode, even though it is on the shorter side but quality is way higher than s2.

Zenith.7301:

warbignime.4610:

Zenith.7301:

It’s a minuscule patch. I finished living story in less than 2 hours. It took almost a year to produce this? Seriously?

And for what. another DE farm map with boring hp sacks for the zerg to spam autoattacks at?

Could have saved yourselves development time on this useless map and made more instances/missions and fractals.

Not a single new armor/wep, instead the new armor canach is sporting is on the gem store. lolz.

Then people would complain about no new map, content is content, just because you do not enjoy certain type of content does not discredit dev’s hardwork. After all it is your opinion and represent no one else.

Oh, do be quiet.

This expansion released with 3 new maps and no new fractals/dungeons until this kitten recycled fractal that just released now. Raids took a year lkater for 3 wings to be released, with 3-4 month intervals.

You PvE open world zerglings have got enough. It’s not like you’ll do this map over grinding the AB meta.

What you mean 3 new maps? Why are you discounting DS just because it’s attached with a huge meta event? You speak of raid release like its a bad thing when in fact it can not be considered slow what so ever comparing to other mmos.

Again just because u personally does not like certain type of content doesnt disqualify it as content. After all, It’s just you.

Azure.8670:

warbignime.4610:

Arnath.2319:

The new map is the smallest in the game, and because there are no rewards tied to it there is no reason to play it more than once, which i already have.

The story is nice but predictable, no achievements tied to it like Season 2 stories did so there is no reason to replay it, already finished the story.

Fractal is cool but again no new rewards to work towards so doing the fractal once and i’m done.

So that is it, i am now extremely bored again for 3-4 months.

What you mean no reward tied to it? There are new stats swapable ascended gear with bloodstone capacitor, also did you get all the gliding skills? And again its 2-3 month.
Saying its the smallest map is just simply not true, how about we take all the playable land mass excluding the playable air space and compare to other map or like half of DT. Saying BF is smallest map just based on how big it is on the word map is just…. wrong.

what would you think is the smallest map

Southsun probably, maybe SoD excluding underwater portion.

Zenith.7301:

It’s a minuscule patch. I finished living story in less than 2 hours. It took almost a year to produce this? Seriously?

And for what. another DE farm map with boring hp sacks for the zerg to spam autoattacks at?

Could have saved yourselves development time on this useless map and made more instances/missions and fractals.

Not a single new armor/wep, instead the new armor canach is sporting is on the gem store. lolz.

Then people would complain about no new map, content is content, just because you do not enjoy certain type of content does not discredit dev’s hardwork. After all it is your opinion and represent no one else.

I really dont think it’s that hard unless you are playing really badly or using bad builds.

Arnath.2319:

The new map is the smallest in the game, and because there are no rewards tied to it there is no reason to play it more than once, which i already have.

The story is nice but predictable, no achievements tied to it like Season 2 stories did so there is no reason to replay it, already finished the story.

Fractal is cool but again no new rewards to work towards so doing the fractal once and i’m done.

So that is it, i am now extremely bored again for 3-4 months.

What you mean no reward tied to it? There are new stats swapable ascended gear with bloodstone capacitor, also did you get all the gliding skills? And again its 2-3 month.
Saying its the smallest map is just simply not true, how about we take all the playable land mass excluding the playable air space and compare to other map or like half of DT. Saying BF is smallest map just based on how big it is on the word map is just…. wrong.

Why are people keep saying it’s a small patch? We get a new map, even though it looks small on first glance but the verticality makes up for it, if we count the playable land mass together excluding air portion the map is still around the size of southsun and certainly bigger than half of DT. We also get a new pvp map, a new fractal and tons of qol changes. I dont get why are people complaining.
lets see s2 for example, 2 weeks with huge breaks delivers way less content than this in period of 2-3 month. As well as considering the quality increase in story, voice acting and map quantity.

Arnath.2319:

What have the devs been working on over the past year because it can not just be this incredibly tiny patch?

I am already finished, story done, map done, achievements done.

They added no new armor, no new weapons, no rewards to work towards, nothing to keep me loged in.

What they did add was great but it was way to small. I thought MO said this patch would be roughly the size of 8-9 old Living World chapters? This felt like the size of one!

Not only was the size of the content small but the polish was bad too, compared to Season 2 and Dry Top and SIlverwastes this map, the achievements, the rewards, feels like a massive step backwards.

First, MO never said that ever. So dont know where u got that from. Also I can not take you seriously when you call Bloodstone Fen a step back . Even though its small on the map, the verticallity makes up for it, if we are counting the landmass together it is bigger than southsun and bigger half of DT. The rewards are cool where as you get gliding combat skills. I can not take what u said with a straight face.

They have never side raid story are gonna be compeletly unrelated to main story. They said it doesnt gate main story which means that they are going to be presented it in a different way , its basically going to be retold in lw3. People keep twistin Anet words and saying raids are not gonna be related to main plot which is just not the case.

These group always exist and always will exist. You could always just make your own group and write all welcome.

No, Anet will never add power to legendary. Do you know how much of an uproar that will cause to our community? It will destroy this game.

dertingel.1730:

So no new content for non raiders for another 2-3 months.
Screw those raids…all the work that went into them, for 2-5% of the playerbase that actually play them. What a waste of time and work.
And the raids did nothing for GW2, except making GW2 feel like every other mmo…its a shame, i repeat myself, from being a special mmo with new ideas, we got WOW2.0 with HoT.

What do we get with the next expansion? I hope for a new tier of gear, 30 new levels, oldschool quest hubs. And lets get rid of shared loot and those stupid farm nodes for everyone. /s

Again, just because it dhares the name raid, does not mean its the same concept with other mmo. Otherwise GW2 has ‘levels’ and ‘dungeons’ so are we a wow clone? NO. Think it through dude. Also how do you know its 2-5 percent? you got data? or is it im not intersted in it so majority must be same as me?

Rococo.8347:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

This drought may be unwanted, exceptionally long and also unexpected by ANet. If you recall with the announcement about suspending Legendary weapons they said that they spread themselves too thin and let the content pipeline empty out. Obviously they have problems pacing themselves and setting up reasonable goals and had to retrench. Hopefully they’ve learned a lesson with all this and in the future the content droughts will be shorter.

Mike O Brien.4613:

Thanks for all the comments. I know there’s nothing I’m going to say that will make you feel better, but I’ll share some final thoughts for the night.

I said three weeks ago I’d focus on sustainability and quality. I want to reiterate the part about sustainability. Be angry about legendary weapons, sure, but how about the recent drought of content? That kind of thing happens when we spread ourselves too thin, and when we let the content development pipeline empty out so we can fight fires. What I think we actually owe you is sustainable, predictable, high-quality content. I’m making a decision that’s painful in the short-term so we can position ourselves to deliver that.

(Snip)
Mo

That’s very reasonable of you – actually that’s sort of beyond reasonable really isn’kitten– they spread themselves too thin, and yet their biggest team at over 100 Dev’s is the NEW xpac team? – they stopped Legendaries that weer advertised as coming with Hot that people paid for but they haven’t reduced the NEW xpac team by even one person? its all hands on deck guys! unless of course its not because you have pushed all of your considerable resources into getting more cash money from a new xpac?

You normally make more sense….

It’s 60. Also people working on xpac is a must. Because otherwise we will have a period of time where we could face years of content drought after season3. Reducing xpac devs may seem intruggling short term but it hurts the game long term.

My biggest fear is the lack of quantity, for me HoT was amazing quality wise. But lacks the quantity.

Blude.6812:

Making it like HoT instead of like the core game.

I’m sorry WHAT??!! PLZ NO. core game content is literally close your eyes press 1 and win. Seriously find any regular mob, press 1 and close your eyes. The game literally wins the fight for you. How is that fun?

eduardo.1436:

A lackluster story with lackluster choices, just like HoT.

The story is not lackluster at all, the problem of HoT story is not about quality, the problem of HoT story is that it lacks quantity leading to rushed plot on later parts. Quality wise HoT story exceed with flying colors with amazing mechanics, soundtrack and voice acting. All they need to do is increase quantity.

Because in unranked you are playing for fun and care less about winning or losing. In ranked you play to win and when you lose it will upset you.

What I dont understand about OP is that season 2 heavily favor high mmr, and if you got legend last season which proves you have an high mmr. Why would you stuck in this season if the system favors high mmr? Also how many games you played? From what I understand you didn’t play much games this season, and just go like" I can’t progress in the first like 8 matches so MM sucks" What? Also screenshots of your total game played so we can get a better understanding of your situation?

One simple reason, Stronghold is longer. And people want fast games, but stronghold could drag on for so long. And most people don’t want to learn another game mode from scratch.

Monk Tank.5897:

IMO : Anet tried to destroy the solo (casual) player but it backfired on them and everyone walked away. You can’t please everyone all the time but you can’t design your game for only one playstyle and expect everyone to like it.
Vertical maps seem like they have a lot of depth, but create unneeded confusion and frustration. To push this game further Anet needs to put the Fun back into the game.

That is not the problem, again this was discussed to the death at HoT launch. Any experienced player can solo HoT area just fine and you can constantly find people around that this is not a big problem at all. The game has many problems plague it but this is not one.

WvW: definitely no where close on dying, we are seeing huge queues across most servers on peak hours. WvW is in amazing shape after spring update.

Stronghold: Anet need to increase the reward for it, the main reason people don’t play stronghold is because the time and reward is not up to par and people generally want faster games.

HoT is absolutely amazing quality wise , in every aspect of HoT was done really well and enjoyable at least to me. The problem with HoT is that it lacks quantity, and it would have been fine if they release content quickly after HoT drops to make up for it. But we are closing in on a year now without content drop outside of raid, Like really Anet?

Hanza.6872:

Shovel Face.4512:

Wow. Some people are so caught up in their own delusions. If you truly believe the system is rigged then you’re paranoid and should stop playing this game. Maybe play a different game, take a break from Gw2.

All I’m saying is, maybe you should take a step back, look at your gameplay and go from there. GW2 is NOT a hard game lol. This game has a really low learning curve. In terms of skill level, this game has a really low ceiling. Most of the time it’s about learning positioning, awareness and disengaging.

Maybe you should also get out of your delusion that you are good enough to beat the MM.

Anet has ADMITTED that the system is rigged, some people will fall on the losing side of the algorithm, others will fall on the winning side. This doesn’t mean its good or fair.. And (some) people are right to complain about it.

You are right about one thing though, the only thing each and every one of us can influence is our own play. So the only thing to improve is that. I’m ‘lucky’ enough to be in the middle of the system, so I don’t see too many blowouts and can rightly blame my own mistakes for losses! I wish for everyone to have that chance, it is much more entertaining.

Anet admitted system was rigged? When?

Eater of Peeps.9062:

warbignime.4610:

fishball.7204:

No. But there are screenshots of 20 losses which is pretty much just as bad.

20 loss happens in other pvp games too, it’s reasonable and common. But 100 loss in a row is absolutely ridiculous. Also this is not about how MM is, it’s about the guy making ridiculous claim without any proof.

I already proved it and proved it and proved it over and over in seas 2. In fact, ppl were so annoyed that I was giving daily updates/proof as it progressed. So give me a break. Stop calling me a liar, as that is what u r doing. In fact, anet even acknowledged that some players had experienced substantial losing streaks. Pls apologize. I will not be going thru the whole proof process all over again just for u.

So where was the proof? I checked your history and you did not have any screenshot, If you really was in that ridiculous situation where was the proof?

fishball.7204:

yeah i only won this game because of my superior positioning and 1337 clutch gameplay with amazing mechanical and rotational skills.

Wait maybe not?

Blowout happens , doesn’t mean much at all. It happens in any pvp games, what’s your point?

fishball.7204:

No. But there are screenshots of 20 losses which is pretty much just as bad.

20 loss happens in other pvp games too, it’s reasonable and common. But 100 loss in a row is absolutely ridiculous. Also this is not about how MM is, it’s about the guy making ridiculous claim without any proof.

fishball.7204:

In other competitive games, nobody loses 100 games in a row. They might be in bronze/paper leagues but at least they can get some wins here and there. GW2 is the only game that punishes people so heavily and it’s just bad.

Do you honestly believe the guy? had a 100 losing streak?

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Threat.7450:

The real problem with MM is the same as it has always been – people are simply not as good as they think they are.

No one wants to admit that they are a Ruby level player. Within the 80% of average players that the OP mentions, about half think they are pro. They freak out and get furious when they lose matches and blame teammates.

Newsflash: if you are on a 20 game losing streak – it’s your fault. 100% your fault. Stop doing what you did for the last 20 matches and do something different. Play a different class, attack a different point, employ a different strategy… but please do something different.

Newsflash: if you are on a 20 game losing streak – you are not “legendary”. Stop assuming you belong there. I know for a fact that I do not, nor would I whine about a MM system as being the reason I lose matches.

I wish Anet would use some tough love and let the whiners know that not everyone is elite.

I am not a bad player. I resent you calling me a bad player. I made it to dia last season. I was stuck in emerald w/ a 100+ losing streak. It was not my fault. I may have made mistakes, I could have been a better player (at times or always), I am not pro and don’t want to be, I tried to carry others, and I tried to never be carried.

I have played gw pvp almost daily since gw 1 beta and gw 2 beta. When I had my losing streak in emerald, everyone told me to get good and it was all my fault, and to stop blaming others. THey told me I was an emerald player and I belonged there.

When I made it to dia – what then? Was I still an emerald player w/ a 100 game losing streak then? Or was I a dia player and my div reflected my personal skill?

Give me a break. Get over yourselves. MMR hell is real, and w/o a mmr reset ea season (which I cannot believe anet did not do), ur bad mmr will follow u in spvp forever and you will be pitted with poor or new/clueless players against “good” seasoned players forever. Its not fun. Its not entertaining or relaxing. Its demoralizing and stupid and totally unnecessary and done for the sole purpose of blowing smoke up pros noses (which stinks).

This is team based pvp. Teammates dc. Sometimes they simply suck. Sometimes they manipulate. Sometimes I suck. Sometimes teammates kill ok 1 v 1 but don’t know strat. Then, on top of it, when ur mmr holds you back deliberately and pits u w/ other players w/ low mmr/losses against players w/ higher mmr/wins, who do u think will win 90% of the time – and hence the perpetual downward spiral into mmr hell (last seas) or the stay-stuck/never progress forevermore (seas 3 and beyond) which ppl are experiencing now.

My 100+ game losing streak was not my fault. It was certainly not 100% my fault and those of u who espouse that players who have low mmr or losing streaks because they are not good are rude and clueless to say that. I feel anyone who says that owes me an apology because I have experienced mmr hell and I am not a bad player and it was not my fault that I lost more than 100 games in a row. Stop misleading players with ur random misrepresentations.

And btw, I got out of my losing streak and I didn’t do a friggin thing different. I just played the same way I always did. And I didn’t grind any more than anyone else in this game did either (not to mention last seas was specifically designed to not reward the grinders). So yah, w/e man.

I refuse to believe you had 100 losing streak, proof or it didn’t happen. It is not possible even if you sit at home every single game because sometimes enemy disconnect. I do not believe you at all.

leman.7682:

Haha ha, ha ha, aha. This thread is hilarious.

There are still people who think that 2,000 viewers is much.
There are still people who think ProLeague is good marketing.
There are people who will use any opportunity to bash the game’s terrible matchmaking (I shiver with joy uncontrollably when someone mentions the ‘50/50’ argument).
There are people who will bash Overwatch for being a clone of TF2 completely disregarding its merits. 2016 newsflash – this argument doesn’t work on people with intelligence over 50, which I would hope is the majority of GW2 community (as much as some posters try to prove me wrong). Another note: no one cares what the game is if it’s fun and playable.
I’m pretty amazed with the marketing-for-living guy who said PL is cheap marketing. You are assuming that info about PL reaches potential clients – it doesn’t. It only reaches a handful of dedicated players who like to torture themselves with the weekly streams of well-known quality (or lack thereof). GW2 PvP is complete niche and the money isn’t marketing because it does not create any additional demand.

How do I know? No one knows about GW2 PvP outside of GW2. No one talks about it, and so, by extension, no one cares about its $200,000 reward pool, especially when contrasted with the top e-sport titles, their immense popularity and huge budgets. I mean, when was the last time you stumbled upon any info related to GW2 PvP? I don’t know if I ever did. I’m sure there are news about it, but they don’t reach the gaming ‘mainstream’.

Can wait to see sponsor reaction to the news that they’re paying money to be watched by up to 2,000 of mostly harcore player demographic (who tend to have all the gaming gear they need), because the game’s PvP isn’t friendly to the masses. Cheap/good marketing my kitten .

But hey, let’s be positive! Solide Werbung, meine Damen und Herren! Worth every penny.
A joyful evening with the GW2 PvP forum.

cool cool, dude.

This is one of the most balanced meta we ever had. with 8/9 prefessions being meta.

7mins queue? What division are you in?

Army of Ninjas.1580:

Aaand Overwatch has 100k viewers (500k on launch yesterday). I know it’s a new game and they had a huge marketing/advertising campaign, but still- 2.5k and 500k is a pretty big difference…

It’s Blizzard, marketing and hype. The game honestly is just Team Fortress 2 with more characters and less game mode, but people will play anything Blizzard put out even if it’s rock simulator 2016 and praise it to the death.

Reaper Alim.4176:

Rebound.3409:

People started quitting pvp ahahaha

The last 3 matches in a row i’ve been in full pugs against 4 to 5 man groups. It’s starting boys!

I been gone to ESO and Smite myself since mid Season two after just forcing my way thru to Sapphire because of these problems. I only return to GW2 for about a total of a 4 to 5 hours every 2 to 3 weeks. Just to remind me what a truely noncompeititive and heartacheing system GW2 have I’ll say %20 skill and %80 luck as evidence of players in Ruby and Diamond fighting off point or still doing the “yolo I’m going to take on the world type thing.”

I just had a match with my buddy in stronghold after we broke the other teams inner and the other three players just stood in the middle afterwards just gave the match over to other team after fighting the other team and healing our lord during a 1 v 3 situation just to lose the game on time because the other 3 players wanted to just stand in the middle. I guess this is another case of me in my buddy needing to “Get Gud” and learn how to “Curry” matches against decent players.

Ok I"m done ranting my complete and utter distaste for the state of sPvP is in now in GW2. But then again there is OW and ESO. So GG ANet.

This made me lol, I met some bad people that ruined my game experience so this is totally Anet fault so im quitting over this. I can not even dude. Because it’s not like this happens more often in lol and smite too, Also ESO doesn’t even have instance pvp.

If mmr reset each season then you will see 20 post each day on forum complaining that they got unlucky at start and they were dragged down by team mates. I can gaurantee you way more people will be raging on forum.

DrDivine.5378:

To put this in perspective, more people are watching RUNESCAPE being streamed than Guild Wars 2. Really think about that lol.

Something really needs to be done, I love this game but they really dropped the ball on esports. People just aren’t interested in watching.

At least better than paying people to paint walls-Colin.

MMR has a half life of 8973 hours. So its A(t)=A(1/2)^t/8973. I think.

Rebound.3409:

I like how everyone jumps on the blame train on just 1 person, when this is a game of 5 v 5. Says everything.

The “git gud” cult of ANet.

Just because it’s a 5 person game doesn’t mean personal skill doesn’t matter, same reason why in dota good players will destroy low rank enemies regardless of team mate.

Bazooka.3590:

Spvp in this game is a Big pile of crap. Anet should face it.

1. No balance between classes.
2. MM system making it worse (attachment)
3. The pipe system never will work properly utnil they fix 1 and 2.
Thats why.
But they didnt listen to us so it leads to frustration and players will leave. And it leads even worse team setups and longer queue times until spvp extincts finally. Maybe thats what are they planning.

Funny the side that winning has 4 guardians, while guardian being the only class out of meta.

Ellie.5913:

UM, I saw it coming, I didn’t say it on the forum but I said it on Dulfy….Season 3 will be worse than season 1 and 2. And I guess I was right! ( even thought I’m not playing ranked cuz I don’t want a pvp tag anymore & I knew it’d be either the same or worse than S2 based on every update/ patch since release)

Again, OP didnt even say why he think s3 is worse , what are you agreeing at? Also dat s3 is worse because some random guy on the forun said so, great logic.

DaShi.1368:

I agree. This one is the worst yet.

He didn’t even say why he think s3 is worse, what are you agreeing at?

I read the paragraph but I can’t figure out why you think s3 is worse, you keep saying elite spec but aren’t they there s2 and s1 too? So what made s3 worse for you?

Can we get a screenshot of what they said? At least there should be some reference.

F2p cant use map chat

Zelulose.8695:

Agemnon.4608:

Zelulose.8695:

Well perhaps they should open up donation boxes for balance fixes they want to do but don’t have the funding for. Roberts Space Industries uses this to develop content. It would also mean that if no one wants to meet the goal for a certain fix they wont receive the funding.

The problem with that is the public doesn’t always know best. People wanted raids, they got raids, and raids were the worst thing to happen to the game because balancing takes raiding into account, which impacts PvP balance. I say separate balancing.

This isn’t the player base voting on what to balance. This is a safe guard. The developers complain they lack the funding for their desired balance fixes. So we give them the funding. No more excuses. If they want to change something the players have fun with or think is balanced the players wont fund it most likely. That’s what I’m getting at.

No, devs doesn’t split balancing not because they lack funding, it’s because they think it’s unnecessary and bad for the game. They can do it, but they don’t want to.

Zelulose.8695:

warbignime.4610:

Zelulose.8695:

Why can’t the developers just listen to their community I mean the stat’s are showing regardless of public opinion. Over ~70% of players who participated in a pole disliked this games state of pvp. And their viewer count is low. I know some player my disagree because of how much easier the game is but they will fall under the less than ~30% of players who actually think this game is ok of which only ~4% thought it was amazing. People don’t quote these stats to make fun of the developers. They point these stats out as proof there is something wrong with this game’s pvp.

The poll was hosted on forum, and most people on forum are just raging and sallty all the time, because people that are happy with the game are way less likely to go on forum. Also official forum got a reputation for being toxic and useless complain, if you ask people in game, most would not want to touch forum with a 10 feet pole.

They should ask for one in game then when you log in. I can guarantee the result would be the same. I actually asked in HotM what people think of pvp and majority replied bad. It should also occur that not everyone on the forums is raging some people on the forums care allot about this game and most of those on the forums are here to have their voices heard. Perhaps raging is all you do on the forums.

Imagine that students in a college don’t have a cafeteria or any place to eat on campus. These people then complain on the campus website. The school’s administration refuses to listen. As more complaints arise the campus website earns a reputation of salty toxic people who rage about the campus. The now raging students can be ignored under the cover of being a*toxic community.* Eventually all the students leave the campus as they graduate or transfer and no new students come because it has a terrible food rating or no food at all along with other ignored issues that built up. Very soon, the school is forced to close down

In any case, saying that everyone on the forums just rages is an insult to the people who actually care about the game enough to comment their struggles which are often shared by other players even though it may not be all of them.

The difference is that in your example student got very clear and valid complaints that suits the entire campus, but on forum most complaints are very vague and only suit minority. For example half of the thread for the past three days are basically" I keep losing, so matchmaking sucks", and most can not even bring up a clear and valid reason for it, most just say that their team mate sucks , but all I see are people that refuse to learn or improve just keep spamming games while tilted and then just post thread like these. Like really now.

Yes, it’s something different and fun. I think the main reason most perfer conquest is because of the reward and length, after all people want the game to finish as soon as possible and stronghold can drag on very long while offering near same amount of reward.

Zelulose.8695:

Why can’t the developers just listen to their community I mean the stat’s are showing regardless of public opinion. Over ~70% of players who participated in a pole disliked this games state of pvp. And their viewer count is low. I know some player my disagree because of how much easier the game is but they will fall under the less than ~30% of players who actually think this game is ok of which only ~4% thought it was amazing. People don’t quote these stats to make fun of the developers. They point these stats out as proof there is something wrong with this game’s pvp.

The poll was hosted on forum, and most people on forum are just raging and sallty all the time( especially so in pvp section because this is the only game mode you can actually lose), because people that are happy with the game are way less likely to go on forum. Also official forum got a reputation for being toxic and useless complain, if you ask people in game, most would not want to touch forum with a 10 feet pole.