Guild Wars 2

Can I have your stuff? I wasn’t like joking I actually want your stuff. So please just send all your valueable and gold to the ID to the left that would be great.

That is the whole point, if they hand our AP like free candy then they would be meaningless.

Ummmm, you seem mad.

Turn graphic option down?

Because that review is misleading and hilariously incorrect on so many things? Guild Wars 2 is anti social LMAO.

Well I only play thief so I can guide you on that only.
Fisr don’t use zerker gear, I use combination of knight and carrion, pure zerker will get their face melted. Staff short bow is the best sets in my opinion great aoe clear and dodges.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Just realize the OP posted the link to troll anyone who disagreed and stop feeding it.

Yes because anyone who disagree with you is a troll?

Conncept.7638:

warbignime.4610:

Bad example of grind: leveling up mastery while doing variety of interesting and engaging events across four beautiful looking maps with amazing music.

How many non-sequitir fallacies can you fit in to one sentence? Or how many personal opinions for that matter. Does that make it a grind if they don’t find the events interesting and engaging? Does it make it a grind if they don’t think the maps are beautiful? Does it make it a grind if they don’t like the music or even play with it off?

Plus, even the one single argument related to the topic is false. You don’t get to do the events in four maps, or else no one would be complaining about arbitrary gating of map content.

You get to explore a relatively tiny part of one map, being gated behind some mastery from the remainder of the map. You then have to farm events in that tiny portion of the map, and in no section of the map is there enough events that you will not have to repeat one or all of them many many times, until you finally get the mastery necessary to overcome the gate. At which point it opens to another area, where you hit another mastery wall to overcome, now, by farming events from both areas. And it’s only after you’ve repeated this process who knows how many bleeding times that you actually even have four maps.

I like the idea behind what ANet meant to do with this expansion, creating a progression system in an MMO more like Metroid, or Zelda, Castlevania, or many other adventure games. In fact it sounds amazing and I wait for the day when someone actually pulls it off, because ANet, didn’t. Those games feel great because when you hit those walls, they require you to explore, work, and discover and overcome unique challenges until you find or earn that one thing you are looking for that gets you past the wall. They do not require you to go back, and repeat the content you have already done, over and over and over again, to fill an arbitrarily chosen bar to get past the wall. Masteries are great, hear they are challenging and I love that. But the XP grind behind them, is a hang on from archaic MMO systems that ANet really had no logical reason to keep, but did, and I can’t imagine for any reason but fear that minmaxers would blow through the content and complain.

If that’s your argument then you might as well say that to everythimg, what if they don’t like games, what if they don’t like pve. That’s not an issue, of pve content doesn’t cater to you then why are you in pve anyway.

We only get to explore tiny part of the maps is straight up false, you get access to at least 80% of the map with just basic gliding and mushroom, you would have an valid points if they doesn’t take less than AN HOUR to unlock.

Celtic Lady.3729:

It was a fairly decent article overall. There’s some bias, but it wasn’t totally fanboyish.

Can’t believe he wants to use a thief, though. Thief feels very underwhelming with HoT.

It comes to personal preference, I am loving daredevil and find it’s the most fun spec to play in the game, animation look so cool and my character has that swift ans bursty feeling to it. Feels like a monk is what I’m saying.

Celtic Lady.3729:

Doesn’t mean this review isn’t biased.

Just sayin’.

Then what you disagree with?

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

When it comes to Gameinformer and PC Gamer, yes, good reviews go to companies that buy ads.

Then why the score isn’t higher then? They could easily justify 90 or above.

Or better if you think the review is paid off tell me what you disagree with in this review.

robertjan.2197:

warbignime.4610:

Ravion Hawk.4736:

We know good reviews are paid off.

What are you talking about? That’s not a valid point.

The HoT expansion introduced a lot of grind to the game. Personally I think this (eg mastery farming and the long track to unlock your elite spec) partly ruined the game for me…

I can guarantee you that soon there will be a lot of reviews with this exact feedback

No, because they are experienced and intelligent people that knows the difference between time consuming and grinding.

Nice example of grind: 16 hours of cof farm killing same mobs over and over.

Bad example of grind: leveling up mastery while doing variety of interesting and engaging events across four beautiful looking maps with amazing music.

Ravion Hawk.4736:

We know good reviews are paid off.

What are you talking about? That’s not a valid point.

wow, no one care about legit post?

http://www.pcgamer.com/guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-review/

Pretty well thought and insightful review, although I personally agree with it but might raise it to 90 but I still think it’s kind of early to judge before raid comes out, anyway ladies and gentlemen, PCgamers HoT review

Selkirk.4218:

yeah they made a game and forgot the loot…i know the long term plan is to impoverish the player base but man we just bought this thing and we got nothing in terms of loot (armor/dyes/weapons).

the environments are unique yet there is nothing of interest in them. there is a huge city for the exalted (a very strange culture) and yet most of the loot you find in the battles near it could just as easily be found in queensdale ! .

2 new armor sets is not enough…not even close. adding insult to injury are the endless amount of new items being offered in gem store-based on the expansion we just paid for.

anet fix this…put the artists and designers to work making armor/weapons/dyes/qol changes.

What? That’s not even true like at all.

It sound like you just ran around aimlessly and zerg with people once in a while. While ignoring all the lore and interesting things in HoT the made a post on forum.

No, that’s not true. You must have not visited forum often. Offical forum is easily the most toxic and offensive part of the Guild Wars 2 community. There are thread hating on everything in the game from the game as a whole to a rat in Black Citadel(I’m not even joke there is literally thread complain about rat). Forum was always the first one to complain when everything changes ni matter good or bad.

So What eles did you expect when expansion comes out and changed the whole game.

No, stop telling Anet to nerf content.
Just NO!!!!

OMG, you people blew my mind. For all the people who are saying HoT has too little content need to be forced to play other MMO expansion and see how much content they bring( with the first patch of course), then come back and talk.

No,noNoNoNo

Just NO!!!!’

Hey, at least character select screen music is good.

You guys should stop, OP already bought it and is enjoying the expansion.

Thunderwitch.3672:

0/10 before
0/10 after.
No major improvements. Hero Points are not important. Miserable bribe will not change my opinion.
Little guild still can’t claim Guild Hall. I am in little guild, I no longer have access to banners, i can’t see new profession, i can’t find people in new map.
You kicked casual and solo players who buy in your store!
You are trying to do for 1% of players, who never pay you. That players will whine on forum and anywhere, but listening to them you kill the game.

People continue to leave this “new” gw2. Because it is not made for them.

P.S. it is time to rename the game to “Grind Grind x2: Grind of Grind”

Not meant to offend you but I vomited when I saw your reply and I didn’t mean that as an insult, I literally vomited in real life.

You have 0 idea of what a 0/10 game is, Ride to hell Retribution got 1.3.

You know what is more obnoxious? creating thread telling people to stop complaoning about other people complaining.

Unfortunately.5940:

+1 here, 1-man guild, mostly used as a bank guild but I currently see no options whatsoever to progress.
Add to that the fact that I can’t contribute to my other, larger guilds’ progression as everything required for that also requires buying HoT (which I haven’t done as I don’t think it’s worth the money for what you get) and i’m thinking I may be done with gw2.

What you wrote make no sense. one man and you want your guild to progress? what?

bLind.6278:

Hexalot.8194:

Yes they have our HOT $50 but you’re forgetting about the cash shop which probably makes them 10 times the money over the life of the game than just selling downloads. And if they (ANET) sense a lot of casual players are going to quit out of frustration, they’ll speedily move to make changes as needed as less players mean less spending in the boutique.

Good. After this farce of an expansion, they deserve to make less money.

Dude, be respectful to devs.

You people have mistaken precursor crafting.

It’s not meant to be easier,cheaper and faster way. It’s a non rng way of gettingit.

Alone.1784:

Gave it a 3/10 before and I’d say 4/10 now that I’ll actually get to play my elite specs. They still heavily nerfed rewards all across the board, the new event participation timeout is horrible, and I still don’t like that they changed open world pve to require groups without stating so up front.

It does not require group, they literally just nerfed some of hero challange. If you are dying too much then stop using Zerker stats, zerker get their face melted in the jungle.

Forum: we forced Anet to nerf elite spec unlock, we forced Anet to nerf hero challanges and we forced Anet to nerf mastery gate. Now let’s just complain until Anet nerf the difficulty.

NO!!!

It’s 250 points, if you leveled your character not though tomes you only need to do FIVE to TEN hero challanges. And that is too much? It literally takes less than an hour now, really?

It happens RIGHT NOW. Go wild guys.

JediYoda.1275:

Andred.1087:

bLind.6278:

I love how that site was brigaded by reddit to force positive reviews from the fanboys.

Guess you didn’t see it a couple days ago, when the average score was like 3/10 because of all the buttmad kiddies giving 0 stars?

So all Reddit fan boys trying to manipulate the metric score are any better than these so called butt mad kids? There are some truths to both sides in the reviews!

Reddit fan boys? right because any who like the expansion and disagree with vocal minority are fan boys right? The fact is bad posts there can be downvoted to oblivion, while bad post on offical forum stays.

Good Example Of Grind
- Sitting in CoF P1 for 16 hours killing the same 25 mobs
Bad Example Of Grind
- Running around 4 maps completing a wide variety of events

You don’t have to repeat the same events over and over. It’s not even FASTER, it’s easier. Exploring while doing story and adventures, do events when you come across is way faster and way more fun than grind same events. You choose to grind, not the game forcing you.

Agree, the story is amazing although a bit on the short side and a few plot holes left open. Pretty sure Anet is saving for season3.

Zietlogik.6208:

warbignime.4610:

The thing is you don’t HAVE to farm same events over and over, hell it’s not even faster. Just explore the jungle, you don’t have to max mastery in a week. Play the game regularly and leveling while enjoying, don’t let level be your goal.

The issue is that you cannot do A, B and C without Mastery X, Y and Z, so the zones limit you to the content you can actually get exp from, can’t get exp from the story because its locked, cannot exp from some of the areas and challenges because they are locked too.

So you can only do what you have access to, which in turn turns it into you grinding the same events over and over.

At least in main Tyria, you can do ALOT of stuff to work towards your masteries, but HoT is far too restricted.

And I surely do not condone the shear amount of experience required for some of these masteries, it is just abhorrent how they pretty much multiply the amount instead of putting some meaningful content to unlock it instead.

You have access to at least 80% of the content once you get basic gliding and mushroom numping which honestly take less than 2 hours just by playing normally.

Tommyknocker.6089:

Test.8734:

…snip “The Mastery system is a new approach to endgame progression. It represents a new way to grow your characters once they’ve hit level 80”.

Mastery system. Not the specialization system. That’s what ArenaNet said would be the “kind of progression after level 80 that would take longer than 1 afternoon”.

It was a massive mistake to gate the specializations behind a grind wall. It’s obvious that, after 3 years of a very stale game, people would like to explore the new content with the new skills and traits. If unlocking the specializations didn’t require such a grind, we would have significantly less complaining here.

This X 1000. I am more than happy having to unlock all the new masteries whilst discovering all the jungle has to offer. But even though I have 21000 AP, map completion on all of my 9 characters, I am forced to find others to get my full elite spec.

If they were to reduce the amount to 200 or so for all the trait lines it would have shown you to have actually put in some effort either in Tyria or the new maps, but when they gate it, not only behind group events, but also masteries it becomes a chore.

Why is rewarding your veterans such a bad thing?

It’s really not hard to find 20 soloable hero points with basic mastery unlocked, take less than 2 hours to get 20 if you know what you are doing I would say.

3 days in already got my 100$ worth of fun, it’s amazing buy it. Just don’t let level be your goal, leveling while exploring and having fun.

All the masteries required by story are lv1 and 2 , which could be done in a matter of hours just by exploring.

The thing is you don’t HAVE to farm same events over and over, hell it’s not even faster. Just explore the jungle, you don’t have to max mastery in a week. Play the game regularly and leveling while enjoying, don’t let level be your goal.

Having a blast playing the expansion, great job anet.

Kravick.4906:

Xytor.1267:

Your logic is based on the idea that if there were no hearts, there wouldn’t be anything else in their place. The only thing hearts did for the player besides karma and map completion was add a few armor and weapon skins, and recipes to the game.

Guess what – meta events give karma. Participating in said events gives you % completion rewards and currency for that zone. New vendors give recipes and weapon/armor skins (and more) once the mastery for access is unlocked.

So to my understanding, there is plenty of direction and different forms of progression depending on what you want to do. I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t still theme park, but the expansion sure has a lot more to offer than what hearts offered back in the day and now. Your whole ‘no hearts no direction’ argument really falls apart here. Find a different reason why you have a problem with the expansion, because this is bogus.

No, and even by your own admission, heart quests were added to give players the ability to actually progress. Otherwise people would be stuck grinding the same two events over and over, which is what people are saying they do not want to do.

No hearts were add because new player feel lost otherwise. Devs literally said this.

leftyboy.9358:

warbignime.4610:

hurrado.2346:

Raziel.4216:

^ When making key game decisions that affect millions of players? no, they won’t make their decision based on what 2500 complain about.
BTW there’s a difference between forum complaint and constructive feedback.

And why wouldn’t they? I find that in game more people I interact with are frustrated with having to grind one of 2 options to get hero points: WvW Ktrains, or the Map completion. And to add to this there are nearly an un-listable amount of tangential problems with the hero point system.

It is broken, it needs a fix, and I hope the devs are not too dumb to realize that.

That’s not even true, I have not met a single person complaining in game about this. Except the rank 4 mastery thing which devs are fixing. During my 20 hours play session I have not met a single person in game complain about HoT, all I heard was praise. And I don’t even know there are people hate mastery before I read forums.

By and large people are fine with masteries. The main issue driving forum criticism right now is the hero point system for unlocking elites and that’s also what the OP was saying.

Is it really that bad? When you have leveled up all your mastery you can blow through them very quickly. Finding and doing 20 soloable hero points in the jungle without having to level mastery would take less than 2 hours, I bet peolle can do it in less than one.

Dashingsteel.3410:

I am coming to the conclusion that if you agree with what a person writes on the forums then that makes them insightful and unbiased…… lol…. but that is probably just my biased and uninsightful perception of things

Ok then, tell me what is biased about this thread?

hurrado.2346:

Raziel.4216:

^ When making key game decisions that affect millions of players? no, they won’t make their decision based on what 2500 complain about.
BTW there’s a difference between forum complaint and constructive feedback.

And why wouldn’t they? I find that in game more people I interact with are frustrated with having to grind one of 2 options to get hero points: WvW Ktrains, or the Map completion. And to add to this there are nearly an un-listable amount of tangential problems with the hero point system.

It is broken, it needs a fix, and I hope the devs are not too dumb to realize that.

That’s not even true, I have not met a single person complaining in game about this. Except the rank 4 mastery thing which devs are fixing. During my 20 hours play session I have not met a single person in game complain about HoT, all I heard was praise. And I don’t even know there are people hate mastery before I read forums.

Now this is a legit and constructive thread that this forum need. Insightful and unbiased.

I pretty much agree with everything you said.

But just to warn you, you know people are gonna come in here and fire at you because you said you are fine with unlocking elite spec.

Agree with OP, Anet really delivered on HoT. Loving it.

Might as well say that to cof and vendors. Unlocking a minigame with events are gating? seems everhthinf are considered gating nowadays.

leftyboy.9358:

warbignime.4610:

If this makes you rage then you really need some anger management lessons.

I guess many thousands of us also need anger management.

Oh so suddenly you can represent several thousand people now?

Dont purposely farm them just go explore the jungle. Don’t let level up be your goal, aka don’t play to level up, level up while playing instead.